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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:19:33
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In federal jail for 7 days
Account Sharing
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Ooops. 
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:23:43
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By Billiken [1315845]
Why get so upset what did you really lose? Probably a sh@t faction and a couple hundred million in cash and drugs, you can make that up in no time cut your losses and move on. |
lol
judging by his rage
i think that hundred mill "sh@t faction" meant alot to him
I know how it feels lol
first time i got scammed 5m all my money from hard work gone
i quitted like a bish
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:26:10
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By Lithany [1615093]
The basic difference here it seems is the fact you consider the faction and everything in it as the leaders private property.
Maybe you are right, and im just a bit too soft thinking that people who contributed to the faction have some rights. |
under new rules of faction scamming going legal, whatever you put in a faction belongs to the leaders, if they decide to simply take it, your loss.
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Spurtung
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:32:19
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By atentat [1583407]
thats pretty hardcore. 2 months and boom - faction yoinked.
The rule does make some sense though, making factions like personal items, wouldnt be right either. Irl if you lead a gang and go to prison, die, runaway, the gang doesnt simply wait on you, some new guy assumes control.
That leads me to a sweet idea! There should be something like mutney in factions.
If the whole faction votes to have you removed - your gone. FUN! This would make admin intervention obsolete. If the faction members are a bunch of idiots and cant make their mind up who should be the new leader then the faction goes belly up, like it should.
If thats too easy they could make it like, if the whole faction attacks you and wins, they can do mutney. if your too strong even for group attack you stay |
Mutney on the Bounty, they should do a remake.
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Hobbie
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:39:42
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Ignorance of the rules is no defence. That's a pretty standard thing in all law.
The faction issues is pretty well hidden though, as is the player report.
Whether the rule is right? I can see the problems, having someone take the faction from you and possibly everything in it is a pretty dick thing to do. The co-leader/member obviously didn't quite have the loyalty and quality of character one would hope. Taking it over is fine, keeping the faction going. Even kicking him if he's dead weight in a war, but they should really give leadership back.
Aside from making sure he had a trustworthy second, this guy could easily have kept all his money in the bank I imagine. And no need to keep items in particular in there. Losing the faction as his 'property' is a thorny issue, and not great - but factions themselves aren't worth an awful lot.
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:42:41
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I want Annonymous[9]'s everything as He is Inactive for more than 1K days....
Staff ??
No one ??
Troll Staffs....
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:59:10
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By Spurtung [96875]
By Lithany [1615093]
The basic difference here it seems is the fact you consider the faction and everything in it as the leaders private property.
Maybe you are right, and im just a bit too soft thinking that people who contributed to the faction have some rights. |
under new rules of faction scamming going legal, whatever you put in a faction belongs to the leaders, if they decide to simply take it, your loss. |
The scamming rules say that?
As i understand the previous rules (scamming illegal) were that taking anything without the leaders permission was wrong.
But legalising scamming sounds a bit like it allows people to take what they can as their own - from the rules standpoint i mean.
May be completely wrong here though, so dont hold me on that.
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Spurtung
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 13:31:14
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By Hobbie [443763]
Ignorance of the rules is no defence. That's a pretty standard thing in all law.
The faction issues is pretty well hidden though, as is the player report.
Whether the rule is right? I can see the problems, having someone take the faction from you and possibly everything in it is a pretty dick thing to do. The co-leader/member obviously didn't quite have the loyalty and quality of character one would hope. Taking it over is fine, keeping the faction going. Even kicking him if he's dead weight in a war, but they should really give leadership back.
Aside from making sure he had a trustworthy second, this guy could easily have kept all his money in the bank I imagine. And no need to keep items in particular in there. Losing the faction as his 'property' is a thorny issue, and not great - but factions themselves aren't worth an awful lot. |
are you for real? because I can see the player report button quite well when I check their profile
however when looking in faction, city, or anywhere else BUT the forums, I can't see a 'claim faction ownership' feature.
the rule, as is, is obsolete. Torn has changed, scamming was rendered legal to avoid staff having to deal with it. so if a leader makes the faction go down, whether by accident or choice, boo-f**king-hoo.
you mention a co-leader, and he specifically mentioned he didn't have one, so giving his faction to a member, is wrong and that rule should be deleted.
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Spurtung
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 13:34:32
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By Lithany [1615093]
By Spurtung [96875]
By Lithany [1615093]
The basic difference here it seems is the fact you consider the faction and everything in it as the leaders private property.
Maybe you are right, and im just a bit too soft thinking that people who contributed to the faction have some rights. |
under new rules of faction scamming going legal, whatever you put in a faction belongs to the leaders, if they decide to simply take it, your loss. |
The scamming rules say that?
As i understand the previous rules (scamming illegal) were that taking anything without the leaders permission was wrong.
But legalising scamming sounds a bit like it allows people to take what they can as their own - from the rules standpoint i mean.
May be completely wrong here though, so dont hold me on that. |
the rule says a member with vault access can take whatever they want.
and when someone bitches about it, all they'll hear is that "the leader should choose better whom to give permissions to.
basically, dealing with scamming, following items, making everything as was before said scam was consuming too much of staff's time, so the easy solution was just making it legal and let people deal with it themselves.
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 15:44:47
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By Hanoth [4634]
Btw OP you know you were inactive since the 23rd of October right? Thats not 60 days. Plus the only faction that i can find called boot camp that isnt a crappy faction has been run by a guy whose been in that faction for much longer than you've been playing the game.
As it stands if your going AFK then appoint someone you trust. If you dont and you lose your faction for it then its your own fault. People put a lot of time and energy into factions so its not just an investment for the leaders and at the end of the day ignorance of the rules is no excuse.
Good luck in the future though |
Or just kick all the members...
And keeping players well informed on rules instead of ignorance by the game management is not excusable as well.
Stating the rules afterwards, and then tell one that they didnt type some random url afterwards, isnt really good information providing about the rulings. |
That rule has been there for awhile mate. When you joined the game you agreed to follow the game rules and policies. That means the staff dont need to tell you when they update them. Its your responsibility to stay up to date and if you cant and you get fedded or punished then its your own fault. Thats just life
Edit: And yes i realise i could have put that into one post but my computers lagging atm so didnt want to risk it timing out AGAIN. |
Doesnt change the fact that treating 30days fed and 30days inactive the same way is a pretty flawed & BS ruling though...
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 16:15:49
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lol felt sorry for the guy as 60 days is not that long a time.....then i read he is in fed for account sharing.....well that 50mill i was thinking of sending is going straight to the bookies.
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 17:09:54
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Not only is he in fed for account sharing, the two of them openly say they log from each other's account all the time and get reported for it all the time.
It seems that OP can't be bothered with the rules.
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 17:22:11
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They say they accidentally do. Accidentally breaking the rules despite trying not to isn't "can't be bothered with the rules"
More on topic is the other rule he broke. The one that says you can't go inactive for a month.
Yeah, according to that hidden rule if you go inactive for a month they take your stuff and give it to someone else. Amazing stuff.
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Posted on Wed Jan 16, 2013 17:43:51
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By Spurtung [96875]
By Hobbie [443763]
Ignorance of the rules is no defence. That's a pretty standard thing in all law.
The faction issues is pretty well hidden though, as is the player report. |
are you for real? because I can see the player report button quite well when I check their profile
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Ah, my mistake on clarity. I meant no link to view it after it's been sent. This is especially important on things such as ban disputes. I'm not quite that blind!
As for the legality of scamming, I don't think it added anything good to the game certainly.
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D3ADLY
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 02:02:39
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By atentat [1583407]
thats pretty hardcore. 2 months and boom - faction yoinked.
The rule does make some sense though, making factions like personal items, wouldnt be right either. Irl if you lead a gang and go to prison, die, runaway, the gang doesnt simply wait on you, some new guy assumes control.
That leads me to a sweet idea! There should be something like mutney in factions.
If the whole faction votes to have you removed - your gone. FUN! This would make admin intervention obsolete. If the faction members are a bunch of idiots and cant make their mind up who should be the new leader then the faction goes belly up, like it should.
If thats too easy they could make it like, if the whole faction attacks you and wins, they can do mutney. if your too strong even for group attack you stay |
See as I personally see it, saying a faction is similar to a gang are two total different types of entities. I agree with what you state how you state it, however there is differences as I see it.
A gang is started with a number of people, and there is really no technical legal ownership of a "gang." Only whatever a group of people state. However, a faction does cost money, is owned, has clear ownership and is a piece of property more similar imo like a house. If I take a vacation for a month to Cancun, it doesn't give one of my neighbors or a child of mine to say hey that owner has been gone for 30 days can I have it? Then it's legally transferred over to said new owner.
As far as they way you state a gang would or should run though, based on that, I would agree. I feel a faction is a different type of "entity" in a sensible word though.
By GirlFriday [570368]
He paid for the faction. He shouldn't have to worry about it being taken away from him and given to someone else. The idea that faction members own the faction because of time, energy, and money they put into it is sort of ridiculous. While I can understand the sentiment, the fact is that the person who is leading it can boot you out whenever he feels like it and there isn't a thing staff will do about it. So there's absolutely no legitimate reason why they should be handing someone's property over to someone else.
Edit: The only exception to this is if the leader is in fed forever. |
Agreed 100% with this statement GF. Members putting forth effort, energy, their own donations...etc is really up to the members. I have done it for other factions in the past. I did not ever feel as though because I did I suddenly am deserved part ownership of those factions. Simply put, I donated my time, effort, money, items, energy... on my own accord to be part of that faction and part of that team. If that's the case as some people state it... I am now part owner of many of the hof factions in this game since I've donated many of the above to many of them in the past. To me, that's pure ridiculousness!
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Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 02:49:38
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By Passie [936578]
No, that is not true. Edit: pointed at the 90 days that was mentioned
After 30 days of inactivity or 30 days of federal jail, the co-leader may request a leader change:
http://www.torn.com/facissues.php
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Wow 30 days seems an unreasonably short amount of time for such actions. I've been out of town for work for 30+ plus days at a time with very little if no access to the internet, or maybe simply just no time for such free time activities.
I think the amount of time should be 90-120 days, and that the players committee should take a look at it and consider it a point of discussion to possibly increase that time frame.
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 02:53:50
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By Passie [936578]
No, that is not true. Edit: pointed at the 90 days that was mentioned
After 30 days of inactivity or 30 days of federal jail, the co-leader may request a leader change:
http://www.torn.com/facissues.php
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Wow 30 days seems an unreasonably short amount of time for such actions. I've been out of town for work for 30+ plus days at a time with very little if no access to the internet, or maybe simply just no time for such free time activities.
I think the amount of time should be 90-120 days, and that the players committee should take a look at it and consider it a point of discussion to possibly increase that time frame. |
At the same time, what if there's players in said faction with money stored in there, the respect they've put towards the faction and commitment honors, there should be a 100ish day time period and/or if the faction was to ever drop to 100 respect i.e pretty much a 100 day countdown before everything is lost, if it was just set in stone 100 days they could see everything lost, and have nothing they can do to stop it.
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 02:59:39
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No, that is not true. Edit: pointed at the 90 days that was mentioned
After 30 days of inactivity or 30 days of federal jail, the co-leader may request a leader change:
http://www.torn.com/facissues.php
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Wow 30 days seems an unreasonably short amount of time for such actions. I've been out of town for work for 30+ plus days at a time with very little if no access to the internet, or maybe simply just no time for such free time activities.
I think the amount of time should be 90-120 days, and that the players committee should take a look at it and consider it a point of discussion to possibly increase that time frame. |
At the same time, what if there's players in said faction with money stored in there, the respect they've put towards the faction and commitment honors, there should be a 100ish day time period and/or if the faction was to ever drop to 100 respect i.e pretty much a 100 day countdown before everything is lost, if it was just set in stone 100 days they could see everything lost, and have nothing they can do to stop it. |
I totally agree with you. The money should somehow be able to be given back to the members. How about after 100 days the members with cash in there are automatically given it back by the system?
I'm merely thinking about people with extenuating circumstances. Playing this game for years on end and then some crazy extenuating circumstance comes up and then after a month or so you come back and poof it's all gone. It just doesn't seem like a fair and respectable balance of actions to the account owner.
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 03:12:48
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By DetectorMan [671607]
By Overeem [1605430]
By DetectorMan [671607]
By Passie [936578]
No, that is not true. Edit: pointed at the 90 days that was mentioned
After 30 days of inactivity or 30 days of federal jail, the co-leader may request a leader change:
http://www.torn.com/facissues.php
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Wow 30 days seems an unreasonably short amount of time for such actions. I've been out of town for work for 30+ plus days at a time with very little if no access to the internet, or maybe simply just no time for such free time activities.
I think the amount of time should be 90-120 days, and that the players committee should take a look at it and consider it a point of discussion to possibly increase that time frame. |
At the same time, what if there's players in said faction with money stored in there, the respect they've put towards the faction and commitment honors, there should be a 100ish day time period and/or if the faction was to ever drop to 100 respect i.e pretty much a 100 day countdown before everything is lost, if it was just set in stone 100 days they could see everything lost, and have nothing they can do to stop it. |
I totally agree with you. The money should somehow be able to be given back to the members. How about after 100 days the members with cash in there are automatically given it back by the system?
I'm merely thinking about people with extenuating circumstances. Playing this game for years on end and then some crazy extenuating circumstance comes up and then after a month or so you come back and poof it's all gone. It just doesn't seem like a fair and respectable balance of actions to the account owner.
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Would be a much better system than the one currently in place as it sucks for some but like BB showed a faction is owned by the leader, all the members who put their energy / sleepless nights in building the faction at the end of the day it belongs to the owner not some noob who wants to claim someone elses after they go inactive for a short while, and let's face it, it's the real world 30 days is a short period of time and for all you've worked for in some cases to go like that is plain stupid.
I feel for the OP here as that must have sucked, but he let himself down by posting on his multi *cough* "friends" account...
Fact of the matter is 30 days is stupidly too short, should be raised and a new system in place which prevents some random noob having the ability to take your possessions without consent 30 days is hardly quitting, can't even take a players name until 90 days inactive but can take their faction for a 3rd of that -.-
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 04:18:13
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By Hobbie [443763]
As for the legality of scamming, I don't think it added anything good to the game certainly. |
your opinion, or mine, on that matter, is irrelevant.
the rule is there, and simply renders this 30 day bullshit obsolete.
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Spurtung
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 04:21:30
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By Overeem [1605430]
By DetectorMan [671607]
By Passie [936578]
No, that is not true. Edit: pointed at the 90 days that was mentioned
After 30 days of inactivity or 30 days of federal jail, the co-leader may request a leader change:
http://www.torn.com/facissues.php
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Wow 30 days seems an unreasonably short amount of time for such actions. I've been out of town for work for 30+ plus days at a time with very little if no access to the internet, or maybe simply just no time for such free time activities.
I think the amount of time should be 90-120 days, and that the players committee should take a look at it and consider it a point of discussion to possibly increase that time frame. |
At the same time, what if there's players in said faction with money stored in there, the respect they've put towards the faction and commitment honors, there should be a 100ish day time period and/or if the faction was to ever drop to 100 respect i.e pretty much a 100 day countdown before everything is lost, if it was just set in stone 100 days they could see everything lost, and have nothing they can do to stop it. |
they decided to donate, so I don't see a problem.
you want people to have a choice to undo what was done.
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 04:40:38
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I don't personally feel anyone should at anytime be able to take leadership of someone's faction. Lets say for example, a 75 member factions leader goes offline for 30+ days or whatever... he went to jail for a short time, left town to work and there's no internet access (which I travel for work sometimes)
Ok so with that said... now you have 74 members sitting in the faction and some are real, good hearted people. Lets say 5-10 of them. Another 60+ of those members would scam if given the chance. Lets say there's billions held in that faction that belongs to the majority of the members. Now you have 75% of them members wanting to become leader so they have the advantage to either do right for the faction, or do wrong and scam everyone's money that is sitting there and sell the faction making even more money.
Staff wont necessarily know who the faction should be given leadership to, and many people very likely will lose out on all their stored money there and could even be kicked. Some people have thousand + days in the faction so they might be pissed in more ways than one.
So really, I don't feel anyone should get that leadership position. I do think that the members being given back their "money donated amount" in the faction list is feasable although not always accurate. So in a situation like that, it might be a good idea to try to always be the one to keep that amount accurate as to what you actually have in the faction.
To take someone else's property and give to someone else I think is just wrong, and could very easily go into the wrong members hands. Leaving the rest of the members that "trusted" their initial leader to be scammed from someone they would not have given leadership to otherwise.
If for some reason I was to hand over leadership to another member in our faction, I would give everyone the chance to pull their funds out of the faction before I handed it over as they could always be scammed. I wouldn't want that responsibility on me and I'd feel bad had I handed over leadership to someone that I trusted to "watch and run" the faction while I was gone and they scammed the rest of the members of their funds.
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Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:35:10
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By atentat [1583407]
thats pretty hardcore. 2 months and boom - faction yoinked.
The rule does make some sense though, making factions like personal items, wouldnt be right either. Irl if you lead a gang and go to prison, die, runaway, the gang doesnt simply wait on you, some new guy assumes control.
That leads me to a sweet idea! There should be something like mutney in factions.
If the whole faction votes to have you removed - your gone. FUN! This would make admin intervention obsolete. If the faction members are a bunch of idiots and cant make their mind up who should be the new leader then the faction goes belly up, like it should.
If thats too easy they could make it like, if the whole faction attacks you and wins, they can do mutney. if your too strong even for group attack you stay |
See as I personally see it, saying a faction is similar to a gang are two total different types of entities. I agree with what you state how you state it, however there is differences as I see it.
A gang is started with a number of people, and there is really no technical legal ownership of a "gang." Only whatever a group of people state. However, a faction does cost money, is owned, has clear ownership and is a piece of property more similar imo like a house. If I take a vacation for a month to Cancun, it doesn't give one of my neighbors or a child of mine to say hey that owner has been gone for 30 days can I have it? Then it's legally transferred over to said new owner.
As far as they way you state a gang would or should run though, based on that, I would agree. I feel a faction is a different type of "entity" in a sensible word though.
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Irl gangs you dont have any legal ownership over anything. probably not even of the abondoned theather or whatever.
Even if you are the one who started the gang, bought some place for the gang, bought each member a gun and so on, that doesnt mean the rest of the gang couldnt get rid of you at any time.
A good faction should be a thing on its own, even if the leader disappears. Like gangs, the head keeps changing, but the gang presists. When you buy something for a gang, its not yours anymore.
This is the leaders risk.
The members have their own risks.
You chain for a big and reputable faction and sudenly the faction is sold and the team is no more
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It does suck ofc, but people who drank the wrong cool aid should have a disadvantage over the people who didnt.
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By ReyDuvall [1526820]
It's his property he can neglect it as he desires, if the people don't like it they can leave.
If you're living contract-free in my house and I don't want the water bill paid, either live without running water or get out. You don't magically get ownership of my house after 30 days.
The concept makes no sense. The house is paid in full and the govt just takes my house and gives it away after 30 days. |
Actually, ever heard of squatter's rights or adverse possession? There's real life laws where you can legally take ownership of abandoned land without the owner's permission. Although it's a much longer time frame, usually after 10 or more years.
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 15:48:57
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By ReyDuvall [1526820]
It's his property he can neglect it as he desires, if the people don't like it they can leave.
If you're living contract-free in my house and I don't want the water bill paid, either live without running water or get out. You don't magically get ownership of my house after 30 days.
The concept makes no sense. The house is paid in full and the govt just takes my house and gives it away after 30 days. |
Actually, ever heard of squatter's rights or adverse possession? There's real life laws where you can legally take ownership of abandoned land without the owner's permission. Although it's a much longer time frame, usually after 10 or more years. |
In Britain English people can now be jailed for squatting they have little/no rights nowdays even know having a roof over your head is a human right, people come to this country and say if they return to their country they will be killed and their life is in danger, we give them a million pound house and let them live rent free claiming every penny they can, an English citizen tries to find a roof over his/her head for whatever reason under a new law police can straight away take action without notice even jail us -.-
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19429936
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By H2odogg [1458698]
yeah so ive been told by the staff .. i think its bullshit i come back from boot camp to find my faction and all the work and money i put into it and not to mention the meds/drugs/weapons i had in the armoury that i paid for are gone as well...the f**k kind of bullshit game is this? apparently there is nothing that can be done about it...f**k chedburn and his bullshit rules |
Looks like boot camp didn't do anything for your anger management issues. |
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JimmyJames
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Posted on Thu Jan 17, 2013 21:21:38
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By Overeem [1605430]
By JimmyJames [581165]
By ReyDuvall [1526820]
It's his property he can neglect it as he desires, if the people don't like it they can leave.
If you're living contract-free in my house and I don't want the water bill paid, either live without running water or get out. You don't magically get ownership of my house after 30 days.
The concept makes no sense. The house is paid in full and the govt just takes my house and gives it away after 30 days. |
Actually, ever heard of squatter's rights or adverse possession? There's real life laws where you can legally take ownership of abandoned land without the owner's permission. Although it's a much longer time frame, usually after 10 or more years. |
In Britain English people can now be jailed for squatting they have little/no rights nowdays even know having a roof over your head is a human right, people come to this country and say if they return to their country they will be killed and their life is in danger, we give them a million pound house and let them live rent free claiming every penny they can, an English citizen tries to find a roof over his/her head for whatever reason under a new law police can straight away take action without notice even jail us -.-
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19429936 |
I assume adverse possession laws still exist though, If you live on a property for 12 years (I think UK is 12 years), maintaining it, paying taxes on it, and all that goes along with it... you become the owner.
Irregardless, 30 days is definitely too short, and I think Spurtung hit the nail on the head. When this 30 day rule was a established, the game was very different. A faction would be destroyed in 30 days if the leader was not active, no wars would have been possible to end, and no OCs would have been run. Plus, with scamming being legalized, you can no longer come back and make a claim that you owned the faction and have it given back to you.
Now I could bet on a bookie event, have it declared that I abused a bug by doing so, get fedded for 30 days, and come back to find that my most valuable possession is no longer mine. How is that fair?
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Posted on Wed Jan 23, 2013 06:02:49
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Well its nice to be out of fed..I thot I'd read back over this and just say that me and my brother appreciate the people who understood why he was upset and how it was unfair...due to the fact that he lost everything he had with that faction he isn't coming back to the game ..I myself think its a bullshit rule but hey it is what it is..
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Posted on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:44:00
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By JimmyJames [581165]
By Overeem [1605430]
By JimmyJames [581165]
By ReyDuvall [1526820]
It's his property he can neglect it as he desires, if the people don't like it they can leave.
If you're living contract-free in my house and I don't want the water bill paid, either live without running water or get out. You don't magically get ownership of my house after 30 days.
The concept makes no sense. The house is paid in full and the govt just takes my house and gives it away after 30 days. |
Actually, ever heard of squatter's rights or adverse possession? There's real life laws where you can legally take ownership of abandoned land without the owner's permission. Although it's a much longer time frame, usually after 10 or more years. |
In Britain English people can now be jailed for squatting they have little/no rights nowdays even know having a roof over your head is a human right, people come to this country and say if they return to their country they will be killed and their life is in danger, we give them a million pound house and let them live rent free claiming every penny they can, an English citizen tries to find a roof over his/her head for whatever reason under a new law police can straight away take action without notice even jail us -.-
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19429936 |
I assume adverse possession laws still exist though, If you live on a property for 12 years (I think UK is 12 years), maintaining it, paying taxes on it, and all that goes along with it... you become the owner.
Irregardless, 30 days is definitely too short, and I think Spurtung hit the nail on the head. When this 30 day rule was a established, the game was very different. A faction would be destroyed in 30 days if the leader was not active, no wars would have been possible to end, and no OCs would have been run. Plus, with scamming being legalized, you can no longer come back and make a claim that you owned the faction and have it given back to you.
Now I could bet on a bookie event, have it declared that I abused a bug by doing so, get fedded for 30 days, and come back to find that my most valuable possession is no longer mine. How is that fair? |
I think that JJ has made the best point in that factions can no longer be destroyed in the same time frame due to an inactive leader. We also have the option to appoint co-leaders who we trust. It sounds like the OP neglected to find someone trustworthy or didn't do enough to earn someones mutual trust maybe.
As far as members earning part of their faction goes. The time money and energy they inject in chaining should stand for something. As has also been mentioned it also comes down to the faction owners sense of morality. If the faction owner sees their faction as a tradeable item then it's bad luck to committed members if they sell. I know some would prefer to pass the fation to another comitted member if they had to quit which is what i would do if i ever have to leave. DSoubt thats happening soon though
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Posted on Wed Jan 23, 2013 14:04:24
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By JimmyJames [581165]
By Overeem [1605430]
By JimmyJames [581165]
By ReyDuvall [1526820]
It's his property he can neglect it as he desires, if the people don't like it they can leave.
If you're living contract-free in my house and I don't want the water bill paid, either live without running water or get out. You don't magically get ownership of my house after 30 days.
The concept makes no sense. The house is paid in full and the govt just takes my house and gives it away after 30 days. |
Actually, ever heard of squatter's rights or adverse possession? There's real life laws where you can legally take ownership of abandoned land without the owner's permission. Although it's a much longer time frame, usually after 10 or more years. |
In Britain English people can now be jailed for squatting they have little/no rights nowdays even know having a roof over your head is a human right, people come to this country and say if they return to their country they will be killed and their life is in danger, we give them a million pound house and let them live rent free claiming every penny they can, an English citizen tries to find a roof over his/her head for whatever reason under a new law police can straight away take action without notice even jail us -.-
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19429936 |
I assume adverse possession laws still exist though, If you live on a property for 12 years (I think UK is 12 years), maintaining it, paying taxes on it, and all that goes along with it... you become the owner.
Irregardless, 30 days is definitely too short, and I think Spurtung hit the nail on the head. When this 30 day rule was a established, the game was very different. A faction would be destroyed in 30 days if the leader was not active, no wars would have been possible to end, and no OCs would have been run. Plus, with scamming being legalized, you can no longer come back and make a claim that you owned the faction and have it given back to you.
Now I could bet on a bookie event, have it declared that I abused a bug by doing so, get fedded for 30 days, and come back to find that my most valuable possession is no longer mine. How is that fair? |
In Bulgaria if you live in an apartment and the owner disappears, doesnt claim it back and so on after 10 years you can claim ownership.
This is if you dont have a rent contract ofc. It also only counts if you were living there legitimatly, so if you break in and stay for 10 years you cant claim anything.
But when your landlord dies for example or something simillar and nobody claims it, after 10 years you can make it yours.
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