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Posted on Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:52:01
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to make this the greatest guide ever, could you put what each drug does next to each one.

Getting the info from TCB is easy, but putting them together would allow for quicker comparison.

Otherwise, Bogie is the man for making drug use a pleasure.


I am currently working on turning this into a full drug guide, including testing results for the drugs (passive stat boosters especially) to 'one up' TCbasic's drug guide.



That would be very useful as well. How do u plan to test the stat boosters?

The Biebs would be happy to donate some ass kickings to your research. As everyone knows, the biebs is all about doing drugs and giving back to the community


Patience, some things are easier to test..like PCP which raises strength...I can confirm that PCP is also useless, the addiction you gain from it is so high that the extra stat bonus is negated from drug #1




Are you testing yourself, or are do u have a team working on it?

I often wondered if it is a multipler or addition to your current stats. If it was an add-on, then say 100k added on to your strength wouldnt mean much, but to newer players it would mean a whole lot.

I offer myself as a beating post, and i would be happy to give u my stats.

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Posted on Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:07:51
I mostly use myself, trying to keep everything as constant as possible.

I would imagine it is a multiplier.

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Posted on Mon Apr 25, 2011 20:04:02
Great work, bogie.
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Posted on Mon Apr 25, 2011 20:05:27
thanks this is so useful just found out im so close to getting kicked out of my education which has only 1 week left, better keep of the drugs lol

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Posted on Wed Apr 27, 2011 05:02:24
....why in god's name is this on page 4? Disastrous.



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Posted on Sun May 01, 2011 16:27:03
Glass door figure for speed came out at 42. Will update the guide when have completed all of this.

Tried to OD on speed during this time to figure out how much stats were physically reduced by as an effect but never had an OD so may come back to this later, will next get reviewed figures and glass door amounts for ecstasy


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Posted on Mon May 02, 2011 11:40:02
Bump because I had to go farrrrr back in Questions to find this.

Worthwhile in the end though

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Posted on Mon May 02, 2011 12:37:03
the sell value should be zero if things that can be purchased from the market. it's strange that the only drug that has no re-sale value.

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Posted on Mon May 02, 2011 17:45:51
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Bump because I had to go farrrrr back in Questions to find this.

Worthwhile in the end though


Take down the URL like I have

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Posted on Sat May 07, 2011 23:59:00
Awesome guide!

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Posted on Tue May 10, 2011 10:57:38
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Posted on Tue May 10, 2011 21:18:05
I agree, awesome guide! Thank you

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Posted on Wed May 18, 2011 08:32:09
Have just completed all the testing I wish to do for glass dooring. I have confirmed figures for Xanax, vicodin, speed, PCP and ecstasy.

I will add all of this when I get home later; I have also used this information to figure out a multiplier figure to accurately get the glass door figures for every other drug (Really cannot be arsed to figure out every one, especially ketamine/shrooms/cannabis).

Stay tuned ;D

Off to rehab for me now...

I am now, somehow, going to arduously test the effects of the 5 star Cruiseliner/Florist R&R/Herbal cleansing rehab specials, that will be the next addition to my guide.

Thanks for all the support I have received for writing this, if anyone would like me to test further drug related stuff then please do post suggestions, I plan on turning this into a FULL drug guide, better than ANY currently available!


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Posted on Wed May 18, 2011 10:28:56
You mentioned that overdoses count for 2-5 times the normal addiction. I know this is really hard to test, but confirming that overdoses is a random amount of addiction would be nice.

Also, rehab costs seem go up over time, but is the amount of addiction the same? I remember before i could take 9 xanax and then OD, and i would not get kicked. The other day, i OD'd on 6 xanax and got kicked.

I have tested before, and my record was 12 xanax before getting kicked, but now i feel that the kicking-threshold is much lower.

So my question is, what is happening: is the amount of addiction going up over time, or is the effectiveness of rehabbing going down over time. I would guess addiction goes up.

The reason i say addiction goes up is because rehabbing % dont really change. It always decreases mathematically the same way, like .... 2%,2%... 2%,2%, 3%3%..3%3%, ... 33%, 50%, 100%.

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Posted on Wed May 18, 2011 13:03:10
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You mentioned that overdoses count for 2-5 times the normal addiction. I know this is really hard to test, but confirming that overdoses is a random amount of addiction would be nice.

Also, rehab costs seem go up over time, but is the amount of addiction the same? I remember before i could take 9 xanax and then OD, and i would not get kicked. The other day, i OD'd on 6 xanax and got kicked.

I have tested before, and my record was 12 xanax before getting kicked, but now i feel that the kicking-threshold is much lower.

So my question is, what is happening: is the amount of addiction going up over time, or is the effectiveness of rehabbing going down over time. I would guess addiction goes up.

The reason i say addiction goes up is because rehabbing % dont really change. It always decreases mathematically the same way, like .... 2%,2%... 2%,2%, 3%3%..3%3%, ... 33%, 50%, 100%.


I've been trying to test the effects of overdoses, although it's made even more difficult by the fact that an overdose is random :/

Effectiveness of rehab goes down over time. It gradually deteriorates and costs more and more to remove the same levels of addiction, roughly every 400 rehabs (250k sessions) the cost doubles/effects halve - Not instant double it's a gradual thing up 'til then.

Addiction also compounds, it's harder to remove greater amounts of addiction but the overall gains are still the same.

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Posted on Wed May 18, 2011 13:20:49
Will you be testing drug addiction level verses faction specials?

It will take a while but it would be handy!

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Posted on Wed May 18, 2011 13:24:56
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Will you be testing drug addiction level verses faction specials?

It will take a while but it would be handy!


Not unless I upgrade my own faction, which I don't plan on doing. I'm too close to the 1k days loyalty merit to leave and join others.

So this is the one thing that I probably won't be going for, if someone else wants to then they can, I have no objections there. If I am going to do it then it won't be for quite a while.

Although seeing as we already know the figures of reduced addiction for the hermetic special, I'm sure we can find someone on the internet who'd be willing to do some fun mathematics and figure out something here, i.e. how many more xanax/ecstasy/speed etc... drugs you can take with xxx amount of hermetic.

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Posted on Wed May 18, 2011 16:09:35
Glass door figures added, xanax, vicodin, ecstasy, PCP and speed are the confirmed figures, rest are calculated.

Ecstasy figures have also been updated and changed a little too, are now more accurate.


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Posted on Wed May 18, 2011 17:28:16
Nice addition Bogie

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Posted on Thu May 19, 2011 06:41:09
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You mentioned that overdoses count for 2-5 times the normal addiction. I know this is really hard to test, but confirming that overdoses is a random amount of addiction would be nice.

Also, rehab costs seem go up over time, but is the amount of addiction the same? I remember before i could take 9 xanax and then OD, and i would not get kicked. The other day, i OD'd on 6 xanax and got kicked.

I have tested before, and my record was 12 xanax before getting kicked, but now i feel that the kicking-threshold is much lower.

So my question is, what is happening: is the amount of addiction going up over time, or is the effectiveness of rehabbing going down over time. I would guess addiction goes up.

The reason i say addiction goes up is because rehabbing % dont really change. It always decreases mathematically the same way, like .... 2%,2%... 2%,2%, 3%3%..3%3%, ... 33%, 50%, 100%.


I've been trying to test the effects of overdoses, although it's made even more difficult by the fact that an overdose is random :/

Effectiveness of rehab goes down over time. It gradually deteriorates and costs more and more to remove the same levels of addiction, roughly every 400 rehabs (250k sessions) the cost doubles/effects halve - Not instant double it's a gradual thing up 'til then.

Addiction also compounds, it's harder to remove greater amounts of addiction but the overall gains are still the same.



So overall, how many xanax do you recommend taking before rehabbing? This assumes you do not want to get kicked from education.

I was taking 9, but 6+OD got me kicked before, so now i am thinking every 2 days. Would you agree?

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Posted on Thu May 19, 2011 16:03:35
6, yes. Rehabbing every 2 days.

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Posted on Thu May 19, 2011 16:10:41
I've always taken 6 before rehab, ODing on the 6th has never given issue for me at least. If you have high enough Hermetic you may be able to get away with 7.

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Posted on Sun May 22, 2011 18:43:55
Have started testing herbal cleansing.

5 job points was not enough to clear the addiction gained from a single vicodin.

Am currently trying to find a drug that will be completely removed by 5 job points so I can use it as a basic measure.


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Posted on Sun May 22, 2011 18:47:37
I usually take 6-7 xanax and few vics before I rehab.. Last time Od'd in vic, after coming from rehab that is. Got a good Hermetic upgrade for which I can take up to 8 xanax easily

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Posted on Sun May 22, 2011 22:23:39
Awesome Guide again

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Posted on Sun May 22, 2011 22:27:47
useful guide

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Posted on Sun May 22, 2011 22:34:08
now next update to include hermetic additions

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Posted on Sun May 22, 2011 22:42:14
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now next update to include hermetic additions


Already said I'm not doing this, the majority of the respect in my faction isn't earned by just me, it belongs to the entire faction, I wouldn't want to waste our respect on testing this special when they want something else Someone can do the math or testing if they want and figure it out themselves, I don't want to upgrade hermetic.

The job special one is hard enough I'm having to rehab once a day and stay completely drug free in order to get it checked That's tough! D:

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Posted on Mon May 23, 2011 04:32:29
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6, yes. Rehabbing every 2 days.


OK, i trust you.

But ok, here is another question. Lets say u take 2 people with no addiction. One person does 100 xanax, and the other rehabs every 6 xanax. Ignoring travel cost and time, which one will pay more for rehabbing, or will the cost be the same?

Most people i have talked to say rehabbing all at once is cheaper, but most people also do not know what they are talking about.

Thanks bogie

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Posted on Mon May 23, 2011 08:12:05
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6, yes. Rehabbing every 2 days.


OK, i trust you.

But ok, here is another question. Lets say u take 2 people with no addiction. One person does 100 xanax, and the other rehabs every 6 xanax. Ignoring travel cost and time, which one will pay more for rehabbing, or will the cost be the same?

Most people i have talked to say rehabbing all at once is cheaper, but most people also do not know what they are talking about.

Thanks bogie


I struggle to see why it would not be the same.

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