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Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:06:07
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I think it was the opposite, ched wanted more people to be able to "play director", hence not needing many employees. I doubt he would make companies have an income like the bank, which is decreasing at the moment, as that would be ridiculous. Instead if you make 1% a month you are doing awesome, and no doubt getting all the upgrades is not the way to go - 3-4 size upgrades is optimal. Everything else is just for supremely rich folk who can't find other safe investments.

So if you invest 5bil into a cruiseliner you can earn when optimal around 1.6mil a day I'm sure. Just like an oil rig with 25bil will make 8mil a day.
How you pay wages and ads to ensure you have that much profit is determined by the game. Give it a month and things will settle down along with ridiculous wages being offered


I also think that the number of companies affects profits. I believe thats why TV stations are making as much or more than most rigs even if they only have 10 employees, there are far fewer TV stations.

We will see if this evens out as people either sell their rigs or buy TV stations




old system i have 550-700 customers and had 30 workers and made around 50-78 million daily

under new system i have 18 workers and have 400-585 customers daily and make 40-45 million daily

i pay the same wage as i did in old system and spend 8-10 million to advertise i make 12-14 million profit daily



But you pay 12 fewer workers?




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Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:21:37
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I figure I will put my two cents in for what it is worth. I have ran CLA's on and off for the last few years. I used to run the top paying CLA before I went on a hiatus from the game. I recently purchased a 15 man CLA to see the upgrades and if a company was worth running again and not for the money but the challenge.

When I took over the company seven days ago it was averaging just shy of 3.5 million a day since the release and with what the previous director was paying the company was losing about 5 million a day.

After adjusting all of the company positions around I immediately saw an increase to about 6 million a day. Yesterday I did some additional tweaking to the positions and bumped my daily gross income to 8.4 million making it the top gross income CLA out there for the day.

With a little in advertising, adjusting the ticket pricing I have also raised the company's popularity by 35%. Give it time people and spend time actually thinking what you are doing, it will even out in time. I look forward to the next update to try and get the company up to ten stars to see what it can do then.

Al_Capone hit it dead on when he said change with the times.

I will urge all other CLA directors out there to give up and sell their company. Preferably to the system so that I can make more.


That is a lovely story. Now please share how much money you lost.

I have spoken to most of the top cruise line directors. They are all losing money after wages and advertising. All have cut salaries but are still losing money. It is possible to post a nice top line revenue number but only by spending a lot on advertising.

The math is broken on CLAs. The only way to make it work would be to take wages down considerably more, but the problem with that is the working stat requirements are very high. You rig owners who are bound to comment on this don't realize how high the stat requirements are. You would be hard pressed to find someone with 154,500 INT / 77,250 END to come work for you for 150k per day.

I freely admit under the old system the CLA was overpowered, but, I have come to the conclusion Ched swung the pendulum back too far in the other direction.

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Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 14:23:27
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I figure I will put my two cents in for what it is worth. I have ran CLA's on and off for the last few years. I used to run the top paying CLA before I went on a hiatus from the game. I recently purchased a 15 man CLA to see the upgrades and if a company was worth running again and not for the money but the challenge.

When I took over the company seven days ago it was averaging just shy of 3.5 million a day since the release and with what the previous director was paying the company was losing about 5 million a day.

After adjusting all of the company positions around I immediately saw an increase to about 6 million a day. Yesterday I did some additional tweaking to the positions and bumped my daily gross income to 8.4 million making it the top gross income CLA out there for the day.

With a little in advertising, adjusting the ticket pricing I have also raised the company's popularity by 35%. Give it time people and spend time actually thinking what you are doing, it will even out in time. I look forward to the next update to try and get the company up to ten stars to see what it can do then.

Al_Capone hit it dead on when he said change with the times.

I will urge all other CLA directors out there to give up and sell their company. Preferably to the system so that I can make more.


That is a lovely story. Now please share how much money you lost.

I have spoken to most of the top cruise line directors. They are all losing money after wages and advertising. All have cut salaries but are still losing money. It is possible to post a nice top line revenue number but only by spending a lot on advertising.

The math is broken on CLAs. The only way to make it work would be to take wages down considerably more, but the problem with that is the working stat requirements are very high. You rig owners who are bound to comment on this don't realize how high the stat requirements are. You would be hard pressed to find someone with 154,500 INT / 77,250 END to come work for you for 150k per day.

I freely admit under the old system the CLA was overpowered, but, I have come to the conclusion Ched swung the pendulum back too far in the other direction.



Oil director piping in.

You think that is high stat requirement? lol

Position: Driller Required: 150,000 MAN / 75,000 INT
Position: Inspector Required: 225,000 INT / 112,500 END
Position: Sales Executive Required: 131,500 INT / 65,750 END

I don't know anyone with 225k intel and 112 END. I make it work with people who don't come close to the stat requirements

Like you, we only really needed one stat manual. So we are not geared up for intel and END.
We are all in the same boat mate. Your boat (cruse ship)might be bigger. So we all have to change with the times. I have been telling you. You do not need people with max stats to run a company.

If you don't think CLA are any good anymore sell it and buy an oil rig.


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Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 15:05:59
Na.. get a TV station.. They are the new oil rigs just cheaper

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Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 15:09:11
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Here's what I don't get. Why are people literally spending 100% profits on advertising? Anything beyond 10% or even 20% for a short period is insane. You can blame employees all you want for wage demands but advertising is on you. This is probably why ched is hiding advertising to all but the director. So he can drain money from the economy by people quite literally giving it to him.



Maybe I'm way off base here, but from what I've seen through testing some things out my popularity stays steady with an advertising budget around 10-20%, which I would agree makes sense to spend. That would be great if I was at the top of FC's, but I'm not, and on days when I spend a lot on advertising my popularity climbs. On days I don't, it hasn't. I have no idea if it will be worth it in the long run when I level it out to where it really should be, but I guess we'll see. I don't mind losing some money trying it out.

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Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 16:44:21
Popularity has nothing to do with advertizing. That is what Ched said in his post under the other thread about companies.

Popularity only tells you where you compare to other companies of the same type as yours.

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Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 17:49:57
Alright, then I'm a moron. Live and learn I guess.

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Posted on Mon Feb 10, 2014 22:46:11
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I think it was the opposite, ched wanted more people to be able to "play director", hence not needing many employees. I doubt he would make companies have an income like the bank, which is decreasing at the moment, as that would be ridiculous. Instead if you make 1% a month you are doing awesome, and no doubt getting all the upgrades is not the way to go - 3-4 size upgrades is optimal. Everything else is just for supremely rich folk who can't find other safe investments.

So if you invest 5bil into a cruiseliner you can earn when optimal around 1.6mil a day I'm sure. Just like an oil rig with 25bil will make 8mil a day.
How you pay wages and ads to ensure you have that much profit is determined by the game. Give it a month and things will settle down along with ridiculous wages being offered


I also think that the number of companies affects profits. I believe thats why TV stations are making as much or more than most rigs even if they only have 10 employees, there are far fewer TV stations.

We will see if this evens out as people either sell their rigs or buy TV stations




old system i have 550-700 customers and had 30 workers and made around 50-78 million daily

under new system i have 18 workers and have 400-585 customers daily and make 40-45 million daily

i pay the same wage as i did in old system and spend 8-10 million to advertise i make 12-14 million profit daily



But you pay 12 fewer workers?


11 less workers......profits were ment to be better i was led to believe it cost me more to upgrade this time around then original i also noticed i dropped my advertising by 4 million and my profits dropped by 7 million and to try and counter that i dropped my pricing as well it all failed

im not to worried either way on company im at that stage where ill give it 2 weeks then sell the company back to torn as i can make more cash playing stocks

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Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 00:31:23
Oil Rig start x 75% = $7.875B
2x +3 employee size upgrades (+1.05B + 2.10B) = $3.15B (10% x upgrade level)
Basic staff room: $262.5M = .263B (2.5% x upgrade level)

Storage upgrades are 5% per level, but I'm trying to skip those for now produce only slightly more than I sell (then periodically add 1x sales exec to sell the extra).

Company basics = $11.3B.

To get that 25% off startup and have "boosted" oil profits (if true), currently costs $2.9B (my portfolio shows it as costing $5.09B when I acquired it...-2.2B there).

$11.3B + $2.9B = $14.2B.

Assume $35m per day is decent gross income for an 18 person oil rig (we'll even say that's after advertising). $35m x 365 days = 12,775M or 12.78B.

$12.78B / 14.2B = 90% annual return. Of course, employees still take in a large portion of that, so actual profit is quite a bit less. Maybe profit is in the 40%-60% annual return depending on wages.



What do you want for Cruiselines? 15m per day?

Base price = $300m
Let's say you go through 5 size upgrades. 30+60+90+120+150 = +450m
We'll say you need L2 staff room: 2.5% + 5%, x300m = 22.5m
Storage? Have no idea if you need this, let's assume 1 level, or +30m at 10% per level

300m + 450m +22.5m = 802.5m

If you made 15m per day under these parameters:

15m x 365 days = 5475m

5475m / 802.5m = 683%

Eventually many older drug users will want your special to save $1m+ per day on rehab (so you company *also* reduces money destruction).


So, instead, CLA's produce a max of around 8m'ish per day...or only 342% of the cost for a CLA with 5x size upgrades.


This doesn't include the cost of the TC Media Stock and the advertising boost stock, but I'd say those may be more optional for the low-startup cost companies (i.e. 500m for +10% profit may not be worth it). Don't bitch and say it is "required"...if the economics don't work out, it is not in fact "required".



What happened? You all got your size refunds, then instantly re-upgraded your companies to max size w/o considering if the cost was a good investment or not. Don't know about CLA's, but for oil rigs, I'd say first 1 or 2 upgrades are no-brainers...after that, 3.15B or more for 3 more slots doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


As a comparison, bank interest in 2 month intervals with L10 bank interest merit is roughly 135% per year and I don't have to pay employees out of that (though really all of that and then some goes to rehab these days)

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Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 00:40:53
Also for reference,

at 10% per level of size upgrade, with each level increasing the capacity by 25% of base, L1 - L4 size upgrades cost: 10% + 20% + 30% + 40% = +100%.

Going beyond L4 is probably not advisable since you are paying more per employee than the original cost.


So if you went to size 7 auto-magically, you probably made a mistake (+390m to add +4 spots to your CLA if my math and formula is right)

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Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 01:36:45
Belwilliam, you have gone through a useful math exercise, but for a cruise line the real daily revenues are not 8 mil. They are more like 4.5 to 6.0 million. Everything above that is artificially generated by spending more on advertising than you are making in revenues. That is what is going on right now. Also, keep in mind, you can't have crap employees because the stat requirements are quite high. So, if you are a good operator with a 15 man CLA and you control wages, you will possibly make 1 mil per day.

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Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 01:40:58
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Here's what I don't get. Why are people literally spending 100% profits on advertising? Anything beyond 10% or even 20% for a short period is insane. You can blame employees all you want for wage demands but advertising is on you. This is probably why ched is hiding advertising to all but the director. So he can drain money from the economy by people quite literally giving it to him.



Maybe I'm way off base here, but from what I've seen through testing some things out my popularity stays steady with an advertising budget around 10-20%, which I would agree makes sense to spend. That would be great if I was at the top of FC's, but I'm not, and on days when I spend a lot on advertising my popularity climbs. On days I don't, it hasn't. I have no idea if it will be worth it in the long run when I level it out to where it really should be, but I guess we'll see. I don't mind losing some money trying it out.


I've been playing around with it for awhile too and I've noticed similar changes just not as much in difference since my company doesn't make as much as yours but I have noticed paying more does lead to more income that increases my popularity. Still playing around a lot with it to see if there is some kind of "cap" or where it levels off where it's worth it still or not (ie. the extra advertisements don't cover the extra income)

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Popularity has nothing to do with advertizing. That is what Ched said in his post under the other thread about companies.

Popularity only tells you where you compare to other companies of the same type as yours.


It may have nothing to do with it directly but at the same time more advertising can lead to you having more income which leads to popularity I've noticed so in a sense it does have something to do with it but just indirectly.

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Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 01:50:33
The cash required to rank a CLA now is much greater as what were a cash positive company is now a negative one up until you hit 4 stars. You can make the argument that a 4 star CLA can operate on a net even basis, or maybe even with a slight profit if you screw the employees wages down. As described above even at 5 stars the challenge in making even 1 mil profit daily is huge. I can't believe the stat requirements for the top positions in a TV station is LESS than that off a Cruise Line Agency, what gives!

My 4 star CLA is over 1100 days old, am I not supposed a make a profit over this entire time now if I chose to try and rank another????

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Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 04:57:26
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Posted on Tue Feb 11, 2014 09:05:51
No employees get screwed. They pay nothing and get great specials. Lower pay to what will be profitable..what is there that is confusing? Are your employees going to thumbs their noses at you and go find reduced rehab and extra travel capacity and casino tokens at an oil rig? Last I checked I only had one boring special of note on my rig.



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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 03:16:41
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I figure I will put my two cents in for what it is worth. I have ran CLA's on and off for the last few years. I used to run the top paying CLA before I went on a hiatus from the game. I recently purchased a 15 man CLA to see the upgrades and if a company was worth running again and not for the money but the challenge.

When I took over the company seven days ago it was averaging just shy of 3.5 million a day since the release and with what the previous director was paying the company was losing about 5 million a day.

After adjusting all of the company positions around I immediately saw an increase to about 6 million a day. Yesterday I did some additional tweaking to the positions and bumped my daily gross income to 8.4 million making it the top gross income CLA out there for the day.

With a little in advertising, adjusting the ticket pricing I have also raised the company's popularity by 35%. Give it time people and spend time actually thinking what you are doing, it will even out in time. I look forward to the next update to try and get the company up to ten stars to see what it can do then.

Al_Capone hit it dead on when he said change with the times.

I will urge all other CLA directors out there to give up and sell their company. Preferably to the system so that I can make more.


That is a lovely story. Now please share how much money you lost.

I have spoken to most of the top cruise line directors. They are all losing money after wages and advertising. All have cut salaries but are still losing money. It is possible to post a nice top line revenue number but only by spending a lot on advertising.

The math is broken on CLAs. The only way to make it work would be to take wages down considerably more, but the problem with that is the working stat requirements are very high. You rig owners who are bound to comment on this don't realize how high the stat requirements are. You would be hard pressed to find someone with 154,500 INT / 77,250 END to come work for you for 150k per day.

I freely admit under the old system the CLA was overpowered, but, I have come to the conclusion Ched swung the pendulum back too far in the other direction.


The first few days I lost money until I adjusted my employee wages. I am not making a few million a day. I know it was nothing like it used to be but I am sure as I refine things profits will go up.


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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 04:37:16
It's pretty much fact that all companies other than the top-level TV Networks and Oil Rigs are bleeding money and are hanging on for grim death for the time being, as directors who built companies from the ground up had to do in the past.

Lesser companies are still having to pay to some degree to hang onto good employees so that they can hit the ground running with a solid foundation of lyoal and effective employees when Companies 2.0 is rolled out, but even then it's not going to be sustainable in the longer term. I agree that cutting wages a bit further than has already been done might be the next step for the time being to mitigate losses while directors are waiting, but for many directors that is a balancing act when it comes to keeping good employees as there is still a lot of competition out there for the cream of the employee crop.

Let's just hope that 10-star companies are a bit more profitable for everyone - right now with a good proportion of employees in higher end companies running at less than full strength (in terms of players meeting rather high stat requirements) it's not looking pretty.

There's also the possibility that all companies are now effectively only "half" strength (ie. 5 stars out of the forthcoming 10 stars) in the new framework, so that's something I guess everyone might want to keep in mind when judging the performance of companies since the update a couple of weeks ago. If this is actually the case (and I'm just guessing here) then the scenario directors are facing at the moment would be akin to every company being 2/3 stars out of 5 under the old system and thus there is hopefully some potential for further growth.

When you look at it that way then I guess the low gross profits we're seeing pretty much across the board at the moment might start making a bit more sense and there is some hope for the future.

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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 06:06:21
I think Ched needs to re - visit companies. You run companies to make a profit simple as that!

Having said that all directors need to get together and seriously reduce wage, oil rig don't make as much as it used to. I will be surprise if all oil rigs are in profits. The company that got the best deal out all of this are fitness centres! Some fitness centres are making more than CLA comps and they have great specials meaning they can afford to pay their employees nothing. It's not balanced ched and you need to acknowledge you made mistake in some areas and get it fixed!

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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 07:29:25
when i had a CLA (decided to sell) I had 15 employees all payed 550k each (=8.25m). This is already more than i have seen any cruise liner make already. Advertising was put to 3mill.

Considering most people are pay 1mill to people with stats similar to my employees the loses would be a lot greater. I was making 5mill loss a day with potentially one of the lowest wages. Think wages for CLA will have to decrease to around 250-350k very soon.

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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 07:39:23
companies received all there upgrade money back and most put it strait back into there company before seeing what the changes would bring. All the updates said change is coming.
Some companies are doing much better but obviously cruise liners got the shaft HARD.


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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 09:32:37
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It's pretty much fact that all companies other than the top-level TV Networks and Oil Rigs are bleeding money and are hanging on for grim death for the time being, as directors who built companies from the ground up had to do in the past.

Lesser companies are still having to pay to some degree to hang onto good employees so that they can hit the ground running with a solid foundation of lyoal and effective employees when Companies 2.0 is rolled out, but even then it's not going to be sustainable in the longer term. I agree that cutting wages a bit further than has already been done might be the next step for the time being to mitigate losses while directors are waiting, but for many directors that is a balancing act when it comes to keeping good employees as there is still a lot of competition out there for the cream of the employee crop.

Let's just hope that 10-star companies are a bit more profitable for everyone - right now with a good proportion of employees in higher end companies running at less than full strength (in terms of players meeting rather high stat requirements) it's not looking pretty.

There's also the possibility that all companies are now effectively only "half" strength (ie. 5 stars out of the forthcoming 10 stars) in the new framework, so that's something I guess everyone might want to keep in mind when judging the performance of companies since the update a couple of weeks ago. If this is actually the case (and I'm just guessing here) then the scenario directors are facing at the moment would be akin to every company being 2/3 stars out of 5 under the old system and thus there is hopefully some potential for further growth.

When you look at it that way then I guess the low gross profits we're seeing pretty much across the board at the moment might start making a bit more sense and there is some hope for the future.


Who says stars has anything to do with income? I have a 4 star pub that has been the top grossing pub since before the update. I think generally speaking, higher ratings attract higher stat players, so those companies earn more, but I have to wonder if stars and income are in fact related.

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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 09:59:03
In the old system stars did make a difference. I ranked my rig up from 1 - 5 star with same amount of staff and nearly the same staff the whole time. As stars went up i could sell for higher price, this may not be the case anymore.

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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 20:03:47
Let me summarize the CLA problem:
"Damn you Ched for nerfing CLA's!! You lowered profits, but there is no way I can possibly lower my employee pay...it's impossible to do so!!! I just keep losing kabillions per day because my employees take it all!!! Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh mommmmyyyyyyy!"

Manager positions = increase empl effectiveness by 25% of missing effectiveness.

It seems like you should try paying a couple managers their current pay and then lower everyone else's pay to a level that is profitable. Fire anyone that bitches.

Replace them with lower stat people (or decent stats that are willing) that will take lower pay and rely on a couple good managers to make up most the effectiveness.

If you're not going to try to change, please keep your tears to yourself. Ched doesn't need to change the code to keep you from raping yourself financially.





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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 20:51:50
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Who says stars has anything to do with income? I have a 4 star pub that has been the top grossing pub since before the update. I think generally speaking, higher ratings attract higher stat players, so those companies earn more, but I have to wonder if stars and income are in fact related.


Another perfectly valid guess Jimmy, although it could be that you are running your pub more "effectively" (or perhaps your employee mix is better / stronger) and maybe you might be even further ahead of the competition when your pub gets up to 5 stars - like I said the concept of 10 star companies potentially earning more was just a possibility.

I'm guessing that a lot of directors are hoping you're wrong though because if you're not then there are only two genuine money making company types (with TV Networks being the massive winner out of the update) and the rest will be pretty much break even (or perhaps make a small profit at best relative to the initial spend / upkeep) and will only be useful for specials.

It is however clear that directors have to put effort into recruitment and the running of their company to realise more profit regardless of star rating - it's not just a case of being 5 stars meaning that the profits come automatically.

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Posted on Wed Feb 12, 2014 21:02:41
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Fire anyone that bitches.

Replace them with lower stat people (or decent stats that are willing) that will take lower pay.




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That. Fire anyone that bitches. I will let them go if they think they can get better pay by leaving me. They ended up at working at "education" after 3 days of working at the rig/tv. Because they don't know that they will be fired as soon as the rig/tv director found better ones.
I don't care of making profit close to what each my employees is getting. Being a director, I like reading stupid unemployed people wanting a high pay. Or yes, my special too, where else can I get extra 125 tokens (for slot jack pot) or drug addiction reduction and extra profit when I try to fly.

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Posted on Thu Feb 13, 2014 05:07:26
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Who says stars has anything to do with income? I have a 4 star pub that has been the top grossing pub since before the update. I think generally speaking, higher ratings attract higher stat players, so those companies earn more, but I have to wonder if stars and income are in fact related.


Another perfectly valid guess Jimmy, although it could be that you are running your pub more "effectively" (or perhaps your employee mix is better / stronger) and maybe you might be even further ahead of the competition when your pub gets up to 5 stars - like I said the concept of 10 star companies potentially earning more was just a possibility.

I'm guessing that a lot of directors are hoping you're wrong though because if you're not then there are only two genuine money making company types (with TV Networks being the massive winner out of the update) and the rest will be pretty much break even (or perhaps make a small profit at best relative to the initial spend / upkeep) and will only be useful for specials.

It is however clear that directors have to put effort into recruitment and the running of their company to realise more profit regardless of star rating - it's not just a case of being 5 stars meaning that the profits come automatically.


well, I checked and the top 5 star pubs only have 8 employees, plus all my employees far exceed the stat cap. So I could be wrong... Guess we'll find out if/when I rank up.

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Posted on Thu Feb 13, 2014 13:07:55
Looking at rigs there is a noticeable decrease down the stars (apart from a couple of the one stars somehow). I think it will be similar to managers though. 5 star means a low stat employee gets a bonus of say up to 25% - so higher stars can hire lower stats. Higher stats is more cash, so extra bonus would be more cash IF 5 star employees were same as 1 star company's, and under the caps..

P.S - companies shouldn't be compared with bank interest because you can only bank 2bil. I always bank 2bil for the profit, cos I'm lazy, but if I wasn't I'd have it all in stocks and not have a company. Also running a company is quite fun



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Posted on Thu Feb 13, 2014 14:12:28
You can make money with any company out there if you run it right. Granted you will not make as much as you would with a tv/oil rig but the outlay of cash is also not as high. Consider it a stepping stone to work towards if you do not have 15-20b to start with.

If all oil rigs payed no more than 500-600k a day down to firework stand at 20k all companies would make money. The problem is and ched did not help with this in his announcement, saying to out bid the next guy to find employees. What happens is someone offers 500k then the next guy offer 600k in no time you are up to 1.2m then everyone expects silly wages. What do they do for that but log in? They are going to do that anyhow if they play the game. Yes you need employees to work, so that you can run a company but you dont have to be silly, The alternative for them is 7k in medical. People need to keep that in mind. You can use my guide in the other post if you want to fine tune wages.

Since the start of the company update I have gone from 19m to 41m and tonight should be close to 50m. After advertizing and wages I make 26m- 30m for myself. That is what it should be after such a big investment.

I am starting a consultancy firm to help anyone interested. I will enter your employees stats into a spreadsheet and find them the right positions in the company. I will track productions and profits, so to maximize your company. All of this will come at a price. If you are interested let me know. Companies other than oil rigs will take time to work out.

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Posted on Thu Feb 13, 2014 14:44:42
I bought a CLA couple of weeks before the update, once the update came i sold it in like 2 days as i was lossing alot of money and i knew i would have to change my salaries dramatically to get anywhere. Im happy that i sold my company on as i got a wee nice profit out of it but im to poor to afford a rig or oil company, and yet have a lot of money just lying around, ahhh the dilemmas

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Posted on Thu Feb 13, 2014 22:36:44
al_capone the problem top end people are making 2-3 million daily with 130k intell or better im not even sure what oil rigs are paying but every one i tryed to pach is being paid top end dollars already

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