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Posted on Mon Jan 20, 2014 23:07:31
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I dont care if you believe or not, i know what im talking about.
Keep wasting DVD to raise happy with job points usage...


This is true..

...

I have had 0 happy...And 6k happy always got same from job points...

Well thats on a capped stat!

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 00:50:54
For answers to common questions regarding Army Points, how to best use them, comparisons to other specials, ect. Please refer to the link below. It's a bit long, but contains all relevant data gathered in this entire thread.

Tip: To quickly navigate to relevant info, please refer to the top page(s) on searching the document.

docs.google.com/document/d/1POcRMwOrlEjQKdxqc2UYK0kt8AZT91znY5T91BdgUlM/edit?usp=sharing




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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 08:56:08
You changed 4,707 army points for 13,350,357.1925 defense.

happy:100
base def: 13,770.96

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Posted on Wed Jan 22, 2014 18:00:35
By The_Storm [24528]
I dont care if you believe or not, i know what im talking about.
Keep wasting DVD to raise happy with job points usage...


Im not saying i dont believe you im asking how you know/found out.

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Posted on Wed Jan 22, 2014 18:47:47
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By The_Storm [24528]
I dont care if you believe or not, i know what im talking about.
Keep wasting DVD to raise happy with job points usage...


Im not saying i dont believe you im asking how you know/found out.


Because im rasing DEF ( have 116k now) and made the tests with normal happy (5k)and with 23k happy.

I dont post in forum to brag about something if i never tested it...

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Posted on Wed Jan 22, 2014 19:11:29
I get pretty much same gain regardless of what happy I have, I guess because of the stat cap.
I can't comment on stats below the cap though.


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Posted on Wed Jan 22, 2014 19:15:37
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I get pretty much same gain regardless of what happy I have, I guess because of the stat cap.
I can't comment on stats below the cap though.


Azriel, we are discussing here the use of Job Points, from Army.

Even below CAP, using them with low or high happy result in same stats gains.

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Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2014 00:44:32
By The_Storm [24528]
Because im rasing DEF ( have 116k now) and made the tests with normal happy (5k)and with 23k happy.
I dont post in forum to brag about something if i never tested it...


In hindsight this would have been good to know when posting an answer worded as a fact.

If you have tested and have saved that data somewhere please post/mail me so i can include it on the google.doc please

The closest example currently is ReyDuvall's point spending b4 and after 1 ecstacy spent 1 at a time. Verification would be appreciated.

On a similar note it has been tested with 500 happy and 20k happy at stat cap has no effect. (again check the google.doc its there, ill format this to be easier to find later)

Let me explain that while I do not mind opinions/theory's wording is important when posting because as you know we aren't all mind readers here. If anyone want's to be lazy and not explain why, that is an option however I don't understand why people are surprised by arguments/questions when these posts are questioned.


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Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2014 07:43:42
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Happy DOESNT increase stat gains when job points are traded.


Says who?


I just dont like when people quention someone with replys like this one...

Otherwise, im happy to explain when someone ask for.

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Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2014 13:27:58
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Happy DOESNT increase stat gains when job points are traded.


Says who?


I just dont like when people quention someone with replys like this one...

Otherwise, im happy to explain when someone ask for.


So could you please show us your findings? I am sure a lot of people are eager to know if you have strong evidence suggesting that happiness has little to no effect on stat gain using army points, even below stat cap

EDIT: To OP - where does it show that UnicornSlayer had the most base def out of your posted sample size? I see he had 1k def while the others had 600k and 1m.

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Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2014 20:12:16
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By Jabber126 [1570860]
By The_Storm [24528]
Happy DOESNT increase stat gains when job points are traded.


Says who?


I just dont like when people quention someone with replys like this one...

Otherwise, im happy to explain when someone ask for.


So could you please show us your findings? I am sure a lot of people are eager to know if you have strong evidence suggesting that happiness has little to no effect on stat gain using army points, even below stat cap

EDIT: To OP - where does it show that UnicornSlayer had the most base def out of your posted sample size? I see he had 1k def while the others had 600k and 1m.


my bad
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but it is pretty certain that happiness has little to no effect on stats gain from army
when i first originally posted this thread i posted my gain from 1.2k army points with max happiness
and i gained roughly 640k from 24k base defence

this time round i tried with 5 happiness and the gain is reasonably high for the amount of points used

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Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2014 22:57:01
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You changed 667 army points for 8,771.2988 defense.


bullshit waste of time


lmao same shit happened to me first time round. Trying it out one more time

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Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2014 23:28:21
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You changed 667 army points for 8,771.2988 defense.


bullshit waste of time


lmao same shit happened to me first time round. Trying it out one more time



try saving thousands up at once, then use them and see if its bullshit waste of time, and in the mean time train str + spd

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Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2014 23:47:34
I am nearing 1K Army Points, my starting defense is around 9M.... any predictions on what my gains will be?

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Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2014 23:51:06
not sure just save them up and eventually youll have so many your defense will be boosted by billions, possibly off 100mil job points

just guessing

normally the more job points you use, the more you gain looking at most peoples posts in this subject anyway

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 01:54:33
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I am nearing 1K Army Points, my starting defense is around 9M.... any predictions on what my gains will be?


People *still* are not using the googledoc to literally figure out the answer themselves. So here is another freebie:

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You changed 1,000 army points for 2,998,243.5158
Gain Per Point: 2,998.24
Base Def 11,201,669
Happy: 4,500

Going by that result you are going to get under 3 million gain if you use exactly 1000 Army Points with a base defense of 9 million.

This took about 10 seconds of my life please send me some ice cream.

That said please post your actual results when you do spend them. With or without the ice cream of course.

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 03:05:04
I didn't know what flavor your liked... so I got a few different ones.

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I am apprehensive to download anything from a source I am not sure on the net.

3M is all? I was hoping for a lot more.

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 03:13:34
I checked you file link. My computer went full blue screen. It took me an hour to re-pave it and log back in. That's a mean trick!

J/K

Thanks for the file, you don't have to download it. I have never used Google Docs before.

So will I get more per point if I save to 2,000?

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 03:23:37
By the way. I can't use Xanax or Ecstasy as I am a Sports Science Gym member.

Also, it appears Happiness means nothing with a big Army train or do I have that wrong?

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 04:19:51
You changed 1,580 army points for 2,063,721.7846 defense.

Energy: 5/150 01:22
Happy: 4359/4500

Defense: 1,909.8848

Hope this helps

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 06:18:43
By Aloha_Lori [42164]
blah blah ice cream

1. Tig had over 11m base defense you have 9m so expect less than 3m.

2. Using more army points and/or base defense will translate to increased gains.
-just keep in mind those increases start to taper off the closer you get to 50m stat cap
-again just search for someone who used 2000 points and keep in mind your base defense compared to theirs to ballpark your gains

3. Data suggests that Happiness "appears" to have a minimal affect on gains if any at all.

4.that picture is strawberry,coffee,mint with some kind of nut or something,chocolate,chocolate chip, and vanilla.

5.even as a Drug-free player you might want to consider using Sports Team rather than Army.
-again this depends on your activity, if can't log in to use more than 75% of energy training stick with army. (this is my personal opinion)


Oh and thanks to all those who have contributed data to the thread.

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 15:07:25
The mint is Pistachio-Almond. It's a little minty, but my favorite.

Thanks for all the work. Once I do the Army Points, I will let you know the results.

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 15:58:55
correct me if im wrong but doesn't the system work where say you have 10 defense, you'd gain equivalent to Georges gym per point? then the next train would give you the next point and so on, and as your stat increases, so does your gain per point regardless of how much you have, so if i used 1k army points, id gain 35 million defense as ive capped and max gain is 35k per point?



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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 18:05:51
i got 7.6m for 4200 army points

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Posted on Fri Jan 24, 2014 18:44:50
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[paraphrased] so if i used 1k army points, id gain 35 million defense as ive capped and max gain is 35k per point?

No one aside from the game dev's knows the exact formula for Job Special as of yet.

As for the gain part the most Defense you can gain per Army Point is 3,500.5 (Three Thousand Five Hundred Point Five)

I understand the font makes it hard to see comma's and periods sometimes.

Anyway so at Stat Cap of 50 million Defense 1,000 Army points would always give you 3,500,500 Defense.

Definitely NOT 35 million for 1,000 points.

(*hint* this is also in the googledoc)

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Posted on Sat Jan 25, 2014 07:06:10
You changed 1,000 army points for 1,095,030.7639 defense.

Happy: 6255
Defense old: 110000

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Posted on Sat Jan 25, 2014 16:00:31
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[paraphrased] so if i used 1k army points, id gain 35 million defense as ive capped and max gain is 35k per point?

No one aside from the game dev's knows the exact formula for Job Special as of yet.

As for the gain part the most Defense you can gain per Army Point is 3,500.5 (Three Thousand Five Hundred Point Five)

I understand the font makes it hard to see comma's and periods sometimes.

Anyway so at Stat Cap of 50 million Defense 1,000 Army points would always give you 3,500,500 Defense.

Definitely NOT 35 million for 1,000 points.

(*hint* this is also in the googledoc)


yeah sorry i got mixed up with it as i used 10 daily from the army not 1

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Posted on Sun Jan 26, 2014 09:39:40
Well, i made some tests with Happy and Job points.

Trained 10 job points and used the default happy 5000 and increased happy 22200.

Heres the results:

DEFENSE: 122,100.00

Happy: 5000/5000

You changed 10 army points for 90.6770 defense.


Happy: 22200/5000

You changed 10 army points for 90.7405 defense.


I know its a small example, but i think the gains are be minimum. Probably the diference could be the related to random gym train gains...

Dont know if using like 1000 at a time could boost this diference to something better or not...


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Posted on Mon Jan 27, 2014 04:00:15
Nice post Storm.

Here is my question...

Do amassing job points and then converting matter? In other words, will I gain the same amount per point if I exchange (10) as I will when I exchange (1,000).

Thanks,

Lori

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Posted on Mon Jan 27, 2014 06:51:19
I've got 9257 army job points, what should I ever do with them?

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