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Thread created on Sat Jul 13, 2013 14:38:47
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You changed 1,760 army points for 4,472,760.6478 defense.



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"1. General Info / Major Questions

1a. Sports Team Comparison

1b. Comparison to Oil Rig w/ 700k salary + Oil Mogul Special

1c. Best Practices

1d. Opportunity Cost of raising Defense

2. Defense Gain Data
3. Strength Gain Data"

docs.google.com/document/d/1POcRMwOrlEjQKdxqc2UYK0kt8AZT91znY5T91BdgUlM/edit?pli=1



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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:24:41
I don't think happiness would have played a part in this one.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:30:53
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Reply to above Post:

I know I'm just being a broken record...but 2 results showing the effect (or lack) of happiness on Army Points is probably a pretty big assumption. (just my opinion)
Probably want at least a sample of 100 people before making an educated guess

oh Smurf get your theory down to like one solid paragraph and ill put it in a special section down here (ugh too tired to even attempt to paraphrase it lol...)
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Under Revision...post major data errors or additions/if you like format/if you you'd want colors/what to improve, ect.

Anyone is welcome to copy/paste and edit this for me (just use quote instead of reply to get the bbc codes then delete the [.quote]tags.) I don't care about getting credit. Just make it more organized, updated, and easier to read is all I ask.



Things to add:
-need to add more obvious explanation i.e. sky is blue, more points = more gain, ect. as it seems most just gloss over this post
-section on general consensus?
-best practices to make best use of Army special? i.e. train base def to 125k,use 1800 points to get 4m defense ect.
-plausible theories
-test area
-comparison to oil rig
-data from old army point thread examples
-sort by placing similar points used results next to each other?
-export to googledocs excel?

Things i've removed from most posts data wise:
-50k changed to 50,000 (for copy paste into excel, ect.)
-I had xxx defense, ect. to simply "Base Def: 123,xxx"
-Happy 32455/4500 to simply "Happy: 32,455" since base happy is moot at that point
-Repeated stuff like Defense After (not necessary when you know what gain is)
-Left "You changed 1 army points for 3,500.5000 defense." because this i felt held more legitimacy than someone posting i had around 6m def with 4k points got about 2m def
-I basically did not include/ or noted data that had people using words like I think i had, or if i remember correctly, ect. (Not trying to be mean or pick on anyone...a good formula requires data to be as accurate as possible)
-extraneous characters like Oh, nice!, emoticons, ^5, i used 5 edvd's + extacy, ect.
-estimates on stats/gain like "about,over,around, ect" inject unecessary variables so future posts should simply be copy & paste please...

This post is a placeholder for data, since OP is currently busy it seems (3 days away)

Sources outside this thread http://www.torn.com/forums.php?forumID=2&ID=15404867

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General Info / Major Questions
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Defense @ stat cap (50million)= 3500.5000 Defense per Army Point
-You changed 1 army points for 3,500.5000 defense.
-You changed 10 army points for 35,005.0000 defense.
-You changed 100 army points for 350,050.0000 defense.
-You changed 249 army points for 871,624.5000 defense.

Strength @ stat cap (50million)= 2500.500 per Army Point
-Strength is about 30% (28.5714285%) less per point compared to Defense gain (assumption)

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When exactly should I switch to sports team? How many points saved is too much?
(using a base happy of 4500)
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Sports Team Special Using 1 Point with 50m Strength OR Defense = 10,009.4636 of that stat per Point
-You have traded 1 job points for 10,009.4636 defense!

Using 1 Point at a Sports Team w/ Defense of 35,000,000 = Using 1 point in Army with 50m Defense (assumption)
Using 1 Point at a Sports Team w/ Strength of 12,500,000 = Using 1 point in Army with 50m Strength (assumption if str gain is averaged @ 30% less in Army)
-Probably want to be in a sports team once you reach 35m Defense or 12.5m strength depending on which stat you plan on increasing. (assumption)

-You changed 8,000 army points for 27,597,601.8736 (3,449.7002 Defense per Point)
This was at around 14m base def and it is already just 50 points from the Army gains cap of 3500.5, total after special also surpasses the 35m base def req for equal gains from a sports team meaning it is probably not worth saving this many points. (assumption)
And definitely not worth saving past 8000 if you have near 14m base def already. (assumption)

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Comparison to Oil Rig 700k salary + Special calc @ full bank w/ 10 merits
(95m/2 weeks at current APR)
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how much $ does saving xxx points cost in $? (time to $ conversion)
how much $ lost at certain army points:
-500 army points
-1000 army points
-1500 army points
-2000 army points

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Defense Gains Data (34 examples - not all examples have all data reported, *= indicates approximations,estimates,ect.
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Format: (consistent,concise,easy to understand,control+F friendly,copy paste friendly)
Name
Army Points
Gain
Base Stat
Happy
Misc Stats/Notes

By die4me [1040711]
You changed 1,210 army points for 1,223,137.9681 defense.
Base Def: 20,000
Happy: 30,000

By HeyImBack [1540413]
Army Points: 4000
Defense Gain: 10,703,313.6375
Base Def: 40.23
Happy: 1,000

By Cooper420 [917272]
You changed 1,540 army points for 2,689,171.4956 defence
Base Def: 50,000*
Happy: 32,000

By Sithl0rd [475459]
2000 Army Points
Gain: 3,650,000
Base Def: 80,000
Happy: 6200

By Regret [1718783]
You changed 1,044 army points for 1,211,648.8440 defense.
Base Def: 100,000
Happy: 9,000

By KanosStrife [860380]
You changed 1,010 army points for 1,093,251.9968 defense
Base Def: 100,178.6626
Happy: 16,984

By KnightZeno [1455347]
You changed 1,090 army points for 852,319.4592 defense.
Base Def: 22,000
Happy: 28,904

By xweedx [1506600]
You changed 1,323 army points for 2,189,340.8447 defense.
Base Def: 100,000
Happy: 27,000

By Demented_Clown [262310]
You changed 1,000 army points for 1,943,665.0035 defense.
Base Def: 760,000
Happy: 32,767

By Mutley [588278]
You changed 930 army points for 184,064.2702 defense.
Base Def: 11,232
Happy 30,000
Manual labor: 41,686
Intelligence: 83,863
Endurance: 39,155
Strength: 410,290,059.9140 at point use
Fully Rehab'ed

By DD- [1006827]
You changed 1,020 army points for 455,253.5963 defense.
Base Def 14,000
Happy:32,000

By Exceldope [1473668]
You changed 1,000 army points for 1,785,096.6142 defense.
Base def: 600,000*

By 0__o [1574771]
You changed 990 army points for 1,414,372.1394 defense.
Base Def: 250,000

By 55TARGENERAL [479554]
You changed 660 army points for 1,766,020.3209 defense.
You changed 1,260 army points for 3,665,855.9854 defense.
Happy: 7,616

By hackertracker [1586965]
You changed 1,010 army points for 2,037,511.6213 defense
Base Def: 1,005,251.5870
Happy: 28,360

By poptart [1544641]
You changed 930 army points for 2,876,310.6085 defense.

By InspectorDoobie [1404479]
879 points
87,000 Defense*
Base Def: 4,500 *
23,000 Happy*
mostly estimated data

By dhall282 [471981]
You changed 1,860 army points for 5,927,010.5641 defense.
Base Def: 9,183,359.8442
Happy: 1,000
Manual labor: 58,505
Intelligence: 54,980
Endurance: 39,877

By HOLYTOLEDO [1290517]
You changed 1,110 army points for 1,695,588.1158 defense
Base Def: 180,000
Happy: 6,500

By UnicornSlayer [1525824]
You changed 2,019 army points for 3,590,736.5707 defense.
Base Def: 1,801.576
Happy: 28,944

By MrMiyagi [171440]
You changed 1,800 army points for 4,800,178.8439 defense.
Base Def: 1,011,570.0669
Happy: 1768/1800
Strength: 1,549,053.8426
Speed: 425,184.3943
Dexterity: 77,965.3485
Total: 7,863,952.4962

By Mansur [473700]
You changed 1,080 army points for 1,388,686.8531 defense.
Base Def: 100,000

By Elena [1260826]
You changed 1,940 army points for 4,033,275.0756 defense.
Base Def: 43,352.7150
Happy: 32,000
Rehabb'ed
Manual labor: 34,332

By Sweatbag [1327728]
You changed 551 army points for 1,144,230.1563 defense.

By Purple_Smurf [905759]
You changed 1,000 army points for 399,758.7782 defense.
Happy: 1,000
Strength: 3,483.5666
Defense: 15,076.1720
Speed: 5,617.4089
Dexterity: 5,194.9854
Total: 29,372.1329
Working Stats
Manual labor: 53,763
Intelligence: 36,907
Endurance: 29,649

By Tig_Rock [867052]
You changed 500 army points for 1,201,669.6673 defense.
Base Def 10,000,000
You changed 1,000 army points for 2,998,243.5158
Base Def 11,201,669
You changed 8,000 army points for 27,597,601.8736
Base Def 14,199,912
Happy: 4,500

By Karna [499828]
You changed 100 army points for 28,107.9340 defense.
Base Def: 3,575,479

You changed 100 army points for 43,432.8782 defense.
Base Def: 5,528,786

You changed 100 army points for 81,712.1183 defense.
Base Def: 10,407,836

You changed 100 army points for 133,560.2286 defense
Base Def: 17,016,366

You changed 100 army points for 240,540.2219 defense.
Base Def: 30,651,973

You changed 100 army points for 350,050.0000 defense.
Base Def: 56,019,857.9997

By Meth [920423]
Army points: 960
Defense Gain: 1,498,251.0471
Base Def: 200,000
Happy: 28,700

By SarahEvs3 [1583756]
You changed 1,694 army points for 2,425,640.5592 defense.
Base Def: 1,336.5389

By Chaddeh [716940]
Army Points: 2000*
Gain: 4,200,000*
Base Def: 100,000*

By dazy91 [1052320]
You changed 1,010 army points for 996,494.2112 defense.
Base Def: 10,000
Happy: 32,000*

By carrion [588903]
You changed 1,511 army points for 1,939,479.3770 defense.
Base Def: 5,000*

By Spydr [1642382]
You changed 775 army points for 289,181.3699 defense.
Base Def: unknown
Happy: 3200

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Strength Gains Data
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By Aipha [1668505]
You changed 817 army points for 183,873.4456 strength.
Strength: 334,986.1523

By Legend_Killer [24952]
You changed 4,738 army points for 8,944,270.1263 strength.

By aurigus [37524]
Army Points: 1200*
Gain: 900,000*
Base Str: 500,000*
Manual labor: 65,014
Intelligence: 213,310
Endurance: 58,996

By DarthBrogo [21801]
You changed 250 army points for 395,085.3777 strength.
Base Str: 20,384,057
Happy: 3600

By DarthBrogo [21801]
You changed 250 army points for 408,371.2195 strength.
Base Str: 21,237,656
Happy: 4599

WARNING BELOW IS PURE SPECULATION ONLY:(please do not quote this as general consensus out of context)
-Formula for single point turn in is 0.00007*[Defence] + 0.5 (random formula i found in old thread)

-Assuming that Happiness does work like in gym training for Army special would mean that happiness boosters for a base defense of less than 8,000 will have a drastic improvement on potential Army stat gain. (200%+ increase)
This also makes any base defense over this threshold or significantly over it (20,000+ stats) make the gains from such boosters a less than 10% overall gain. i.e. not worth spending money on
This doesn't mean don't train above 8000 base defense, it means if you have that amount or less you might want to consider using a booster before spending your points. Likewise if you have drastically over that amount of base defense you might NOT want to use happy boosters when using points since the impact might not be worth the money.




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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:33:45
You changed 1,010 army points for 996,494.2112 defense.

had about 10k defence before hand, also had 32kish happy

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:34:04
You won't get millions for 1k points if you have nothing to begin with :/

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:44:40

You changed 4,738 army points for 8,944,270.1263 strength.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:47:51
You changed 2000000 army points for 2000 defense
You changed 1500000 army points for 1500 defense

Ahhh....... those were the days....

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 18:42:11
By Legend_Killer [24952]

You changed 4,738 army points for 8,944,270.1263 strength.


dam nice
i would had saved up
but i only wanted the 1m defence merit

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 18:43:34
By TheDarkLegacy [1712562]
You won't get millions for 1k points if you have nothing to begin with :/


lol

from 24k to 633k did not happen by magic

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 18:44:36
By dazy91 [1052320]
You changed 1,010 army points for 996,494.2112 defense.

had about 10k defence before hand, also had 32kish happy


dam
how comes i only got 600k

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 18:45:49
What are your woring stats?

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 18:46:38
By Blackjack-x [981452]
By Legend_Killer [24952]

You changed 4,738 army points for 8,944,270.1263 strength.


dam nice
i would had saved up
but i only wanted the 1m defence merit


The only reason I had that many points was due to my absence in the game. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have gotten nearly as much. But I should have used it on defense! lol

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 19:13:40
By DB_farid [1398886]
What are your woring stats?


i used to
whored my strength to cap while the others were around 200k

atm working on dex
trying to cap that
then will start on speed again

and maybe defence to balance everything

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 23:24:20
Ok, a question.

if you change all those job points at once, you'll get the increased rate based on the starting amount of defence.

So, wouldn't it be better (I know it'd take much longer) to use 1 point at a time, since the increased amount of defence after using each army point would slowly make each point worth a little more?

or doesn't it make any difference?

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 01:15:54
can someone do a review on strength please on request,thanks. if a thread is made please mail me the link.

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 01:37:01
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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 01:46:42
You changed 1,511 army points for 1,939,479.3770 defense.

That was from about 5k Defense.

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 04:59:28
Just feel lucky guys. It use to be 1 job point for 0.001 gain.

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:40:21
Does working stats help such as manual? And how much do you need to get the 1mil bonus?

For those who got 1mil, what are your working stats?

And to the thread starter, what's your working stats? That's what one of the dudes asked you and you told him what you were working on in your battle stats lol

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:56:34
By Metal-Mouth [920743]
Does working stats help such as manual? And how much do you need to get the 1mil bonus?

For those who got 1mil, what are your working stats?

And to the thread starter, what's your working stats? That's what one of the dudes asked you and you told him what you were working on in your battle stats lol


Oh lol
Thought he meant if i was whoring stats
My bad

I like your thinking
Maybe working stats makes the difference between everyones gain
I will post mine when i can get revive
On phone atm, cant advertise for revive

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 13:17:11
Work stats having something to do with the amount you gain does seem a bit random but it is an idea. Are people thinking it's work stats all together or a certain work stat at the moment?

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 14:21:53
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You changed 1,511 army points for 1,939,479.3770 defense.

That was from about 5k Defense.


Army points DEFO best gain for low stats.

(When you use loads of points at once, they stack/scale madly for some reason)

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 20:25:58
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Ok, a question.

if you change all those job points at once, you'll get the increased rate based on the starting amount of defence.

So, wouldn't it be better (I know it'd take much longer) to use 1 point at a time, since the increased amount of defence after using each army point would slowly make each point worth a little more?

or doesn't it make any difference?


this..was gonna ask the same question..

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 01:30:59
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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 01:40:00
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By carrion [588903]
You changed 1,511 army points for 1,939,479.3770 defense.

That was from about 5k Defense.


Army points DEFO best gain for low stats.

(When you use loads of points at once, they stack/scale madly for some reason)


Quite so. I cashed in 3 years worth of job points for def, got about 20M worth.


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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 03:12:12
By Driving [1497275]
By carrion [588903]
You changed 1,511 army points for 1,939,479.3770 defense.

That was from about 5k Defense.


Army points DEFO best gain for low stats.

(When you use loads of points at once, they stack/scale madly for some reason)


FINALLY! Someone gets it! That's all I will say about that.

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 03:49:09
Working Stats
Manual labor: 25,536
Intelligence: 51,814
Endurance: 30,370

Endurance might have an effect on the gain


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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 04:24:41
If working stats do have something to do with the gain, I would guess at manual being the most important stat, since that is the main stat gain in the army.

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 04:59:57
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Work stats having something to do with the amount you gain does seem a bit random but it is an idea. Are people thinking it's work stats all together or a certain work stat at the moment?


I ask because it is a job, and you gain working stats from a job. So, a job should contribute in some way like Endurance and Manual.

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 05:02:55
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Working Stats
Manual labor: 25,536
Intelligence: 51,814
Endurance: 30,370

Endurance might have an effect on the gain
Now I wonder if you had double manual, I wonder what you would of got instead.



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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 06:50:42
Those are some nice stats compared to xanax taken...

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