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Ok so this is probably a bad first post but I'm just not sure what is and isn't ok. At first I thought they weren't allowed at all but then it seemed that some were allowed as long as they didn't preform tasks autocratically. I did read the game rules by the way.
Anyways I found a script that does a few things some don't work for me because of my level but it can get rid of the pop up chat boxes, remove crimes you no longer want to do and set a pop up if your money reaches a certain amount. Here it is, so this is allowed right?

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 18:07:30
get rid of pop up chat boxes remove crimes you no longer want to do and set a pop up if your money reaches a certain amount.

The script you mentioned there are allowed

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 18:09:23
ok thanks, so as long as it doesn't just autocratically do stuff it's ok.

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 18:27:43
I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 18:33:24
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I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.


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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 18:43:11
Cool, I'll look into them thanks

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 19:03:53
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Ok so this is probably a bad first post but I'm just not sure what is and isn't ok.


This question is more than ok! However, with that said, it is a question so it's probably better off in the Questions forum

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 19:26:34
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I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.

Remember AquaRegia's scripts also
I also tend to keep "close" contact with staff when I'm in doubt if features could be deemed "illegal".

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 23:52:05
Most staff don't even know what script is or isn't acceptable now a days, scripts are somewhat a gray area lately even for them, to make a ruling on one script they would have to make a ruling on all scripts which would mean the possibility of banning the use of greasemonkey or XOR's, cyberdude's or/and Nerba's HOF scripts so because of that they never say anything one way or another. Don't expect an answer from staff for this because none of them will say for sure what is and isn't accetable.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 00:58:14
Questions forum?

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 01:00:09
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Most staff don't even know what script is or isn't acceptable now a days, scripts are somewhat a gray area lately even for them, to make a ruling on one script they would have to make a ruling on all scripts which would mean the possibility of banning the use of greasemonkey or XOR's, cyberdude's or/and Nerba's HOF scripts so because of that they never say anything one way or another. Don't expect an answer from staff for this because none of them will say for sure what is and isn't acceptable.

Not entirely true.
Being in good standing with certain staff, and having a good conversation with the right ones, makes it very easy to get ruling on what's acceptable behavior from a script, and what is not.

If they are in doubt, they will take up with "the top". Answers/rulings might not come quickly, but they will come.
This is at least my experience, that when you try to work towards staff/Chedburn/Torn and not working against. I'll at any time adhere to any rulings put forth by staff, as long as they allow Scripts to a certain degree.

Being of the right mind and showing proper attitude gets you a long way.

They don't need to ban all scripts at all, they have put out semi-offical statements that botting(Automation of tasks, such as auto-training, attacking, gymming, traveling, buying/selling, attack log scraping, etc) is breaking the rules, but taking meds in bulk, or other various modifications is absolutely fine as long as human interaction is the trigger.
Buying bulk lottery tickets is on the edge (And probably considered illegal) as it undermines the entire lottery system.
Several staff members use my script, and my HoF script is staff approved, without staff approval I would not have made it.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 01:47:17
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Most staff don't even know what script is or isn't acceptable now a days, scripts are somewhat a gray area lately even for them, to make a ruling on one script they would have to make a ruling on all scripts which would mean the possibility of banning the use of greasemonkey or XOR's, cyberdude's or/and Nerba's HOF scripts so because of that they never say anything one way or another. Don't expect an answer from staff for this because none of them will say for sure what is and isn't acceptable.

Not entirely true.
Being in good standing with certain staff, and having a good conversation with the right ones, makes it very easy to get ruling on what's acceptable behavior from a script, and what is not.

If they are in doubt, they will take up with "the top". Answers/rulings might not come quickly, but they will come.
This is at least my experience, that when you try to work towards staff/Chedburn/Torn and not working against. I'll at any time adhere to any rulings put forth by staff, as long as they allow Scripts to a certain degree.

Being of the right mind and showing proper attitude gets you a long way.

They don't need to ban all scripts at all, they have put out semi-offical statements that botting(Automation of tasks, such as auto-training, attacking, gymming, traveling, buying/selling, attack log scraping, etc) is breaking the rules, but taking meds in bulk, or other various modifications is absolutely fine as long as human interaction is the trigger.
Buying bulk lottery tickets is on the edge (And probably considered illegal) as it undermines the entire lottery system.
Several staff members use my script, and my HoF script is staff approved, without staff approval I would not have made it.



But my point is they will never post saying any script is accectable, they may be implied accetable( as in they turn a blind eye to certain ones) but no staff member will ever pubically say for sure what is and isn't acceptable ergo at a base level it is one of two answers, either

A: All scripts are acceptable

or

B: No scripts are accetable

which is why they will never made a definitive ruling on it


Last Edited: Sat Jul 13, 2013 01:52:11
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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 02:00:32
I don't understand why any scripts are legal. They seem to take the "game" out of the game.

If you are using one to tell you what you need to click, then shame on you for being stupid. If you are using one for clicking for you, then shame on you for cheating at a game.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 02:00:33
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By Jenocide [1282365]
Most staff don't even know what script is or isn't acceptable now a days, scripts are somewhat a gray area lately even for them, to make a ruling on one script they would have to make a ruling on all scripts which would mean the possibility of banning the use of greasemonkey or XOR's, cyberdude's or/and Nerba's HOF scripts so because of that they never say anything one way or another. Don't expect an answer from staff for this because none of them will say for sure what is and isn't acceptable.

Not entirely true.
Being in good standing with certain staff, and having a good conversation with the right ones, makes it very easy to get ruling on what's acceptable behavior from a script, and what is not.

If they are in doubt, they will take up with "the top". Answers/rulings might not come quickly, but they will come.
This is at least my experience, that when you try to work towards staff/Chedburn/Torn and not working against. I'll at any time adhere to any rulings put forth by staff, as long as they allow Scripts to a certain degree.

Being of the right mind and showing proper attitude gets you a long way.

They don't need to ban all scripts at all, they have put out semi-offical statements that botting(Automation of tasks, such as auto-training, attacking, gymming, traveling, buying/selling, attack log scraping, etc) is breaking the rules, but taking meds in bulk, or other various modifications is absolutely fine as long as human interaction is the trigger.
Buying bulk lottery tickets is on the edge (And probably considered illegal) as it undermines the entire lottery system.
Several staff members use my script, and my HoF script is staff approved, without staff approval I would not have made it.



But my point is they will never post saying any script is accectable, they may be implied accetable( as in they turn a blind eye to certain ones) but no staff member will ever pubically say for sure what is and isn't acceptable ergo at a base level it is one of two answers, either

A: All scripts are acceptable

or

B: No scripts are accetable

which is why they will never made a definitive ruling on it


If there will never be a definitive ruling, then it is definitively not worth the e-lectrons to worry about it.

Last Edited: Sat Jul 13, 2013 02:01:02
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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 05:42:29
By Jenocide [1282365]
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By Jenocide [1282365]
Most staff don't even know what script is or isn't acceptable now a days, scripts are somewhat a gray area lately even for them, to make a ruling on one script they would have to make a ruling on all scripts which would mean the possibility of banning the use of greasemonkey or XOR's, cyberdude's or/and Nerba's HOF scripts so because of that they never say anything one way or another. Don't expect an answer from staff for this because none of them will say for sure what is and isn't acceptable.

Not entirely true.
Being in good standing with certain staff, and having a good conversation with the right ones, makes it very easy to get ruling on what's acceptable behavior from a script, and what is not.

If they are in doubt, they will take up with "the top". Answers/rulings might not come quickly, but they will come.
This is at least my experience, that when you try to work towards staff/Chedburn/Torn and not working against. I'll at any time adhere to any rulings put forth by staff, as long as they allow Scripts to a certain degree.

Being of the right mind and showing proper attitude gets you a long way.

They don't need to ban all scripts at all, they have put out semi-offical statements that botting(Automation of tasks, such as auto-training, attacking, gymming, traveling, buying/selling, attack log scraping, etc) is breaking the rules, but taking meds in bulk, or other various modifications is absolutely fine as long as human interaction is the trigger.
Buying bulk lottery tickets is on the edge (And probably considered illegal) as it undermines the entire lottery system.
Several staff members use my script, and my HoF script is staff approved, without staff approval I would not have made it.



But my point is they will never post saying any script is accectable, they may be implied accetable( as in they turn a blind eye to certain ones) but no staff member will ever pubically say for sure what is and isn't acceptable ergo at a base level it is one of two answers, either

A: All scripts are acceptable

or

B: No scripts are accetable

which is why they will never made a definitive ruling on it


Pubically?

LOL


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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:35:13
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By Jenocide [1282365]
Most staff don't even know what script is or isn't acceptable now a days, scripts are somewhat a gray area lately even for them, to make a ruling on one script they would have to make a ruling on all scripts which would mean the possibility of banning the use of greasemonkey or XOR's, cyberdude's or/and Nerba's HOF scripts so because of that they never say anything one way or another. Don't expect an answer from staff for this because none of them will say for sure what is and isn't acceptable.

Not entirely true.
Being in good standing with certain staff, and having a good conversation with the right ones, makes it very easy to get ruling on what's acceptable behavior from a script, and what is not.

If they are in doubt, they will take up with "the top". Answers/rulings might not come quickly, but they will come.
This is at least my experience, that when you try to work towards staff/Chedburn/Torn and not working against. I'll at any time adhere to any rulings put forth by staff, as long as they allow Scripts to a certain degree.

Being of the right mind and showing proper attitude gets you a long way.

They don't need to ban all scripts at all, they have put out semi-offical statements that botting(Automation of tasks, such as auto-training, attacking, gymming, traveling, buying/selling, attack log scraping, etc) is breaking the rules, but taking meds in bulk, or other various modifications is absolutely fine as long as human interaction is the trigger.
Buying bulk lottery tickets is on the edge (And probably considered illegal) as it undermines the entire lottery system.
Several staff members use my script, and my HoF script is staff approved, without staff approval I would not have made it.



But my point is they will never post saying any script is accectable, they may be implied accetable( as in they turn a blind eye to certain ones) but no staff member will ever pubically say for sure what is and isn't acceptable ergo at a base level it is one of two answers, either

A: All scripts are acceptable

or

B: No scripts are accetable

which is why they will never made a definitive ruling on it


Pubically?

LOL


Yeah pubically because it's all a load of bollox anyway

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:40:51
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I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.

Remember AquaRegia's scripts also
I also tend to keep "close" contact with staff when I'm in doubt if features could be deemed "illegal".


Or just use common sense for the most part. I realise there is a huge grey area but common sense will give you 90% of the answers.


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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:23:04
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I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.

Remember AquaRegia's scripts also
I also tend to keep "close" contact with staff when I'm in doubt if features could be deemed "illegal".


Or just use common sense for the most part. I realise there is a huge grey area but common sense will give you 90% of the answers.



"Common sense" isn't as common as you'd think especially on here Although XOR, Cyberdude and Nerba do stick within the vague rules about scripts, it is a fine line that they have never crossed so far

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:31:32
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I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.

Remember AquaRegia's scripts also
I also tend to keep "close" contact with staff when I'm in doubt if features could be deemed "illegal".


Or just use common sense for the most part. I realise there is a huge grey area but common sense will give you 90% of the answers.



"Common sense" isn't as common as you'd think especially on here Although XOR, Cyberdude and Nerba do stick within the vague rules about scripts, it is a fine line that they have never crossed so far


It's true, if Nerbas had of made half the scripts I had asked him to, he would have crossed into the gray area a few times.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:36:56
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By Caretaker- [1690670]
I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.

Remember AquaRegia's scripts also
I also tend to keep "close" contact with staff when I'm in doubt if features could be deemed "illegal".


Or just use common sense for the most part. I realise there is a huge grey area but common sense will give you 90% of the answers.



"Common sense" isn't as common as you'd think especially on here Although XOR, Cyberdude and Nerba do stick within the vague rules about scripts, it is a fine line that they have never crossed so far


It's true, if Nerbas had of made half the scripts I had asked him to, he would have crossed into the gray area a few times.



MB is the same, she could write script to do loads of mad shit on here but doesn't because the rules are so vague on it she doesn't want to risk a fed sentence so she only uses the greasemonkey script to keep track of scammers


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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 13:27:32
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By Caretaker- [1690670]
I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.

Remember AquaRegia's scripts also
I also tend to keep "close" contact with staff when I'm in doubt if features could be deemed "illegal".


Or just use common sense for the most part. I realise there is a huge grey area but common sense will give you 90% of the answers.



"Common sense" isn't as common as you'd think especially on here Although XOR, Cyberdude and Nerba do stick within the vague rules about scripts, it is a fine line that they have never crossed so far



The rules arent really that vague if you just read them.

Scripting
No scripts are allowed of any kind that are used with the intention of causing misfortune to another player(s). Examples of this include but are not limited too; Running auto scripts to buy people out of jail, running scripts for mugging other players and running a script to clear the points market. Using scripts such as those mentioned give you an unfair advantage and provide misfortune to other player(s) accounts.


So, this means that you cant use a script that interacts with another player.

Any automated script that controls training, crimes, etc is not allowed. This gives you an unfair advatage. Thats the main rule against scripts, unfair advantages or automated scripts that do your daily games features for you.

Scripts like Greasemonkey are more customization scripts that automation scripts which is why they are acceptable.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 13:41:49
It's more the scripts that provide information about other players that is the morality line.

So many people are stat tracking with personalised HOF's. It's easy to abuse this information. Ched has made certain steps to increase the time needed to provide the info making it less abusable but even still, there are 5-6 scripts I could think off atm that could give players huge advantages.

Other scripts that people have been fedded for before seem to be still abusable.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 13:43:53
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It's more the scripts that provide information about other players that is the morality line.

So many people are stat tracking with personalised HOF's. It's easy to abuse this information. Ched has made certain steps to increase the time needed to provide the info making it less abusable but even still, there are 5-6 scripts I could think off atm that could give players huge advantages.

Other scripts that people have been fedded for before seem to be still abusable.


From what I understand from Clansy at the moment is that scraping from personal stats pages (unless permission has been sought e.g. nerbas/cyberdude's hofs) is not allowed... Not even friends/faction members...

Edit: And something to note for IRC script users is with retaliation scripts; the bot is allowed to post the name of the user who hosped, but not a link to attack them back. The user has to physically login to Torn and find a link to attack themselves.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 13:51:13
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By kyle8048 [488020]
By cyberdude [1613175]
By Caretaker- [1690670]
I suggest you only use scripts made by XOR and cyberdude, they are public scripts so if they are against the rules staff will have them removed straight away.

Remember AquaRegia's scripts also
I also tend to keep "close" contact with staff when I'm in doubt if features could be deemed "illegal".


Or just use common sense for the most part. I realise there is a huge grey area but common sense will give you 90% of the answers.



"Common sense" isn't as common as you'd think especially on here Although XOR, Cyberdude and Nerba do stick within the vague rules about scripts, it is a fine line that they have never crossed so far



The rules arent really that vague if you just read them.

Scripting
No scripts are allowed of any kind that are used with the intention of causing misfortune to another player(s). Examples of this include but are not limited too; Running auto scripts to buy people out of jail, running scripts for mugging other players and running a script to clear the points market. Using scripts such as those mentioned give you an unfair advantage and provide misfortune to other player(s) accounts.


So, this means that you cant use a script that interacts with another player.

Any automated script that controls training, crimes, etc is not allowed. This gives you an unfair advatage. Thats the main rule against scripts, unfair advantages or automated scripts that do your daily games features for you.

Scripts like Greasemonkey are more customization scripts that automation scripts which is why they are acceptable.


That rule may be stated but it isn't enforced, everyone knows people run busting scripts, mugging scripts and pretty much any script that will give them an advantage and staff do nothing about it, don't ry claim they aren't used or that staff don't turn a blind eye because (as an example) when was the last time you were in jail for longer than 2 seconds?



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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 13:54:47
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It's more the scripts that provide information about other players that is the morality line.

So many people are stat tracking with personalised HOF's. It's easy to abuse this information. Ched has made certain steps to increase the time needed to provide the info making it less abusable but even still, there are 5-6 scripts I could think off atm that could give players huge advantages.

Other scripts that people have been fedded for before seem to be still abusable.


From what I understand from Clansy at the moment is that scraping from personal stats pages (unless permission has been sought e.g. nerbas/cyberdude's hofs) is not allowed... Not even friends/faction members...

Edit: And something to note for IRC script users is with retaliation scripts; the bot is allowed to post the name of the user who hosped, but not a link to attack them back. The user has to physically login to Torn and find a link to attack themselves.


I'd like to see how she plans on catching anyone using them. They are pretty much untraceable so I don't know what good that will be.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 16:28:40
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By kyle8048 [488020]
It's more the scripts that provide information about other players that is the morality line.

So many people are stat tracking with personalised HOF's. It's easy to abuse this information. Ched has made certain steps to increase the time needed to provide the info making it less abusable but even still, there are 5-6 scripts I could think off atm that could give players huge advantages.

Other scripts that people have been fedded for before seem to be still abusable.


From what I understand from Clansy at the moment is that scraping from personal stats pages (unless permission has been sought e.g. nerbas/cyberdude's hofs) is not allowed... Not even friends/faction members...

Edit: And something to note for IRC script users is with retaliation scripts; the bot is allowed to post the name of the user who hosped, but not a link to attack them back. The user has to physically login to Torn and find a link to attack themselves.


I'd like to see how she plans on catching anyone using them. They are pretty much untraceable so I don't know what good that will be.


I hear plans may be in motion to ban a lot of IRC scripts that scrape information you can only get when logged in e.g. faction attack news, stock market etc.

Again, this would be near on impossible to enforce as anyone mildly competent at what they're doing can just make what they're doing look like an auto refresher - which is legal (and used in GMs and userscripts...)

I personally think that as long as the bot/script doesn't interact with any other users (buying/selling/mugging/busting/analysing other people's personal stats/whatever) it should be allowed... However clarity would be nice on this as it is not stated anywhere where the line actually is.

As I mentioned, there is a line between an IRC bot posting:

BOTNAME: xyz [123] just hosped blah [321]

and

BOTNAME: xyz [123] just hosped blah [321] - Retaliate: http://www.torn.com/attack.php?PID=123

where the former is within the rules, and the latter is against the rules.

Edit: apologies to people for me overusing IRC examples, until very recently my faction leader was a secretary, so to avoid him getting in any serious trouble, i've been told what is and what isn't allowed exactly for our bot hence I know IRC examples better than GM/userscripts

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:49:48
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I don't understand why any scripts are legal. They seem to take the "game" out of the game.

If you are using one to tell you what you need to click, then shame on you for being stupid. If you are using one for clicking for you, then shame on you for cheating at a game.


^^^I'm kinda with this guy...

You could interprete the rules to not allow most of the scripts currently in use.



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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:49:54
My thoughts on scripts, if they allow one they should allow all of them. I feel any scripts is cheating and should not be allowed in game.

There is way too much grey area. Just like multis, if you allow one, you need to make them legal for all. One ISP is one account end of story, no brothers, mothers, sisters, etc...... What is stopping me having 20 relatives all using my isp? Who is to tell me that is not my multis or my relatives?



Same with scripts, who is to tell me I am abusing the system using a script if staff does not understand what it does or what it does not do.

My suggestion is to make multis legal, and the ban all scripts.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 18:46:17
By Styx [420347]
I feel any scripts is cheating

This is because you are ignorant and don't know what some of the scripts do.
My script fixes various things broken in Torn, among other things.

Example 1) Look at Torn page in Firefox vs. Chrome. The bottom of the page is "longer" in Firefox which it is not in Chrome. In the bottom there is often a Back button on most pages. In Chrome, these are often hidden behind the Chat bars in the bottom, when running on lower resolutions. My script fixes this by adding additional height to the page when using Chrome.

Example 2) People complain that the Chat windows are often in the way, thus my script allows you to Resize chat windows, to make them smaller, or when you want, to make them larger making them much more useful. On top of that it also allows closing Global, Trade, Faction and Company chats, which is a often requested feature.

Example 3) Autologin when going to Torn.com/login, this is the same behavior as almost EVERY other webpage on the internet, EXCEPT Torn, because Torn's start page (regarding login) sucks donkey balls.

Example 4) Grouping items on your Items page into groups of item, such as Flowers, Energy Boosters, Halloween stuff, etc. Something Torn should do, having 550+ Items go to the same "undefined" group is bollocks.

Example 5) Change color on clickable URLs in the forum, making them more visible.

Example 6) Custom background color when in Jail or Hospital (Because the standard jail color sucks)

Example 7) Being able to sort various tables around Torn, such as member list, etc.

Example 8) Clickable links in chat.


If you deem ANY one of these 8 examples as cheating you've void any argument in a discussion about Scripts you may think you have.


So, does the usage of script equal cheating?! NO! Certain functionality/scripts border a gray area, and some go beyond the borders. However, claiming ALL scripts equals Cheating, that's just plain and simple ignorant horseshit dribbling out of your mouth.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 18:50:36
By Styx [420347]
My thoughts on scripts, if they allow one they should allow all of them. I feel any scripts is cheating and should not be allowed in game.

There is way too much grey area. Just like multis, if you allow one, you need to make them legal for all. One ISP is one account end of story, no brothers, mothers, sisters, etc...... What is stopping me having 20 relatives all using my isp? Who is to tell me that is not my multis or my relatives?



Same with scripts, who is to tell me I am abusing the system using a script if staff does not understand what it does or what it does not do.

My suggestion is to make multis legal, and the ban all scripts.


There are some genuine cases of 2 people on the same IP, myself and MB are on the same IP 4 days a week, we don't interact in a way that would break rules (send items or cash) and there are logs of about 5k mails sent between us at times when I am not at home and am 120 miles away in a different part of Ireland so to ban us for being on the same IP would be unfair, also a lot of people access Torn via their phone and most phone companies only use 5 IP's for all their customers so should they all be banned too? that would be a hell of a lot of accounts that would be wiped. You assume "Multies" when most of the time it is actually people who are victims of the technology they use.



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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 19:33:17
By cyberdude [1613175]
By Styx [420347]
I feel any scripts is cheating

This is because you are ignorant and don't know what some of the scripts do.
My script fixes various things broken in Torn, among other things.

Example 1) Look at Torn page in Firefox vs. Chrome. The bottom of the page is "longer" in Firefox which it is not in Chrome. In the bottom there is often a Back button on most pages. In Chrome, these are often hidden behind the Chat bars in the bottom, when running on lower resolutions. My script fixes this by adding additional height to the page when using Chrome.

Example 2) People complain that the Chat windows are often in the way, thus my script allows you to Resize chat windows, to make them smaller, or when you want, to make them larger making them much more useful. On top of that it also allows closing Global, Trade, Faction and Company chats, which is a often requested feature.

Example 3) Autologin when going to Torn.com/login, this is the same behavior as almost EVERY other webpage on the internet, EXCEPT Torn, because Torn's start page (regarding login) sucks donkey balls.

Example 4) Grouping items on your Items page into groups of item, such as Flowers, Energy Boosters, Halloween stuff, etc. Something Torn should do, having 550+ Items go to the same "undefined" group is bollocks.

Example 5) Change color on clickable URLs in the forum, making them more visible.

Example 6) Custom background color when in Jail or Hospital (Because the standard jail color sucks)

Example 7) Being able to sort various tables around Torn, such as member list, etc.

Example 8) Clickable links in chat.


If you deem ANY one of these 8 examples as cheating you've void any argument in a discussion about Scripts you may think you have.


So, does the usage of script equal cheating?! NO! Certain functionality/scripts border a gray area, and some go beyond the borders. However, claiming ALL scripts equals Cheating, that's just plain and simple ignorant horseshit dribbling out of your mouth.


So...All these bits and pieces that are 'scripted' don't give you an advantage over others and could, in no way whatsoever cause 'misfourtune' to someone elses account?

...Just being Devils advocate

From my reading of the rules, that is a fed/ban offence



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