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Posted on Wed May 01, 2013 11:07:29
Tiger skin is good for two things:

People who miss out on training because they fly constantly anyway (running xanax/flowers/etc.) and people who fly to avoid the hospital (for faction wars, bountys, etc).

When I was new, before the stock market/bookie/etc. it was a good way for players to make a start for themselves, mugging imaginary animals rather than other players. I'm proud of mine, it did take some doing.

Investing money well these days, there are possibly better ways to make money, but you may get a hidden benefit from having it, as much of Torn is secretive, so there is no real way to tell one way or the other. Speculation and guesswork, much like TCBasic. Play how you want, because if hunting helps you buy donator status, points refills and xanax, you may come out ahead statwise in the end, if you spend the entire amount wisely.

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Posted on Wed May 01, 2013 11:17:18
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so much talk about 'losing stats' while doing things. when are people gonna get it into their rather thick heads that its not all about battle stats, there are other stats too that people prefer.

blah blah blah lost x amount of stats doing 10k busts.... no, they gained 10k stats in the bust section... they lost nothing.


This thread was started by someone who purposely missed out on 1,498,500 stats a day for years, by not taking drugs... so take it with a grain of salt.

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Posted on Wed May 01, 2013 11:40:23
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Plus the honour itself.



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Posted on Wed May 01, 2013 11:44:22
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Nay. As long as it yields any profits, it doesn't have to be in currency form.


I prefer a NARROW definition of Investments - a very good practise when practisnig Dollars and Sense.


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Posted on Wed May 01, 2013 21:28:38
Ill try to approach this logically, and un-biased towards any style of play.

Ok lets first set a baseline.
A merit can be bought for 250 points. In todays current market thats: 250 * $60,000 = 15 million

If the merit is purely about spending money, it should not cost more than 15m. Take for example the loan shark merit, the cost is exactly 400 points.
Yet again in todays market thats: 400 * $60,000 = 24 million

We can all agree that the 500K you borrow is complete crap - the only point is getting the merit. You should NOT get this if you are able to still buy merits for 250.

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But with that said, there are a huge amount of merits that you can obtain that make sense.
Lets take for example someone who regularly chains:

50 vicodin (used for chaining)
250 refills (more energy)
total respect merits (+respect for faction)
bounties (bounty the target your about to hosp)
bonus hit merits (+respect for faction)
attacking and self running merits (your targets)
defending and target runaway merits (if the faction fights back)

ect ect, the list goes on and on.
You cannot calculate the exact cost of most of these, because you obtain them as a group during your style of play.
I could make another list, while training - yup the list starts with xanax and ends with gold gym memberships.

TL;DR: You can always merge in some merits with whatever you are doing. Just be smart about it, bookmark a merit guide and look it over often. As long as the merit is going to cost you less than 15 million, do it. If not... just go buy an easy merit! Of course to the people who have bought the maximum, grab the cheaper/easy ones first.


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Posted on Wed May 01, 2013 21:33:39
quiet an interesting thread i like it R+

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Posted on Thu May 02, 2013 00:31:20
Nobody has mentioned the fun element of going for various merits so far. If all you play this game for is raising your stats that's fine, but some day you may wish to use them for something

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Posted on Thu May 02, 2013 04:29:47
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I don't like to hear the word 'Cost'.

In my word, I'd call it 'INVESTMENT'


How is it an "INVESTMENT"? What do you get out of say the 1000 revives honor except money which you would have to spend most of on xanax, refills and rehab(for all the xanax)? Oh and a worthless honor that doesn't impress people anymore

In faction, there's this thing called upgrade which reduce the energy needed to revive. Simply put, I use less energy to make money and helping my faction in warring.

And for the honor, I don't value the picture/emblem more than the usefulness of the merit itself. If you blame the merit for being useless, I say you should jog your thinking more. I need more merits, but the amount are so limited.

In Laymen terms, me use merits to upgrade bank interest and stuff.


The amount is not limited, at least not for you. You still have loads of merits to get like travel, drug taking, attacking, crimes. All of those are so much easier to get than 10000 busts and 1000 revives

Also at your age compared to your statistics you are doing quite poor

Oh yeah and the faction specials to lower busting and revive energy don't so much unless they are maxed or near maxed

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Posted on Thu May 02, 2013 09:42:46
The idea here is good, but it could be made a little bit smarter and inncludes medals etc also gained on the way...

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Posted on Thu May 02, 2013 16:58:57
I got my loan shark one for about 280k Because I'm old

Randi is now spinning the bottle

The bottle goes round and round the merry ground

The Bottle lands on Slick

Randi now has to have sex with Slick
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Posted on Sun May 05, 2013 18:14:39
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bounties (bounty the target your about to hosp)
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a bit off topic, but why would you do this?

OT As others have said, the game is not all battle stats and money. Ask guys like BB and Sif why they still play and you'll get your reasons beyond money and stats and levels because those players accomplished that already.



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Posted on Sun May 05, 2013 18:19:56
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bounties (bounty the target your about to hosp)

a bit off topic, but why would you do this?


Because there is merits in claiming bounties... and currently you are able to put a bounty up on someone, then claim it yourself (costing you nothing). So you hosp them for your chain whatever reason you wish and still work towards merits.

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Bounty Honors - 2


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Name: Bounty Hunter
Requirement: Collect 250 Bounties
Tip: Find some low levels and place bounties on them for which you then claim yourself. This allows for more control over what bounties you do so your not trudging through the newspaper for bounties.
Difficulty/Time: Easy to Medium depending if you claim bounties from the newspaper or auto claim your own bounties.

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Name: Dead or Alive
Requirement: Earn a total of 10mil from bounties
Tip: This is easy since you can rig it yourself by placing a 10mil bounty on a low level and claim it yourself by attacking and hosp them.
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tcbasic.com/award.html#medals


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Hired Gun medal!: Collect 25 bounties
Bone Collector medal!: Collect 100 bounties
The Fett medal!: Collect 500 Bounties


In review,
25, 100, 250, 500 are the triggers.
And for the 10 million one, you can just claim a single bounty of your own, worth 10 million.

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Posted on Sun May 05, 2013 21:41:20
One note about GTA:

12 nerve regen in 1 hour, so 24 GTAs a day, without nerve boosters.
You have around 70% chance for green, so it would take a bit more, but you get ~25k per success (GTA1), so 25000*5000= $125,000,000 in addition to GTA honor, what is kinda profitable and you don't lose any stat point or crime exp or anything.
+ you have a lot of medals as JJ said and items for good networth.
I don't see any "costs" or lose here, mentioned in OP.

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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 09:26:55
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Sorry to all new players, or stat capped players planning on getting these in advance...

So after working out a single honor cost, I thought I'd look a bit more into the real cost of some honors.

secondchance.png - 1000 Revives.

Let's say you have a capped stat and no revive perks. 1000 x 75 = 75,000 / 25 = 3000 x 49,500 = 148,500,000 stats... missed out on.

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dontdropit.png - 10,000 busts.

Again on a capped stats no bust perks. 10,000 x 10 = 100,000 / 25 = 4000 x 49,500 = 198,000,000 stats... missed out on.

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You should add in the same calculation just with all bust and revive perks taken into consideration as well r+


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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 11:24:38
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so much talk about 'losing stats' while doing things. when are people gonna get it into their rather thick heads that its not all about battle stats, there are other stats too that people prefer.

blah blah blah lost x amount of stats doing 10k busts.... no, they gained 10k stats in the bust section... they lost nothing.


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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 11:45:23
Competitions and special events honors and merits are about the ones you need to sweat to get them and the rest, one gets them one way or the other so i don't see any point in spending ass loads of money or time, stressing around to get them:) just my opinion..:)

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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 11:47:38
Refill 250 times can be as low as 15,937,500 if you travel to get the flowers yourself and have history bachelors

While you're out collecting flowers in Africa may as well hunt as well so that you don't "lose" any energy between trips. Just another way of cutting the costs and working on hunting

Good info though. Rate +

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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 12:06:44
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I don't like to hear the word 'Cost'.

In my word, I'd call it 'INVESTMENT'


How is it an "INVESTMENT"? What do you get out of say the 1000 revives honor except money which you would have to spend most of on xanax, refills and rehab(for all the xanax)? Oh and a worthless honor that doesn't impress people anymore

In faction, there's this thing called upgrade which reduce the energy needed to revive. Simply put, I use less energy to make money and helping my faction in warring.

And for the honor, I don't value the picture/emblem more than the usefulness of the merit itself. If you blame the merit for being useless, I say you should jog your thinking more. I need more merits, but the amount are so limited.

In Laymen terms, me use merits to upgrade bank interest and stuff.


The amount is not limited, at least not for you. You still have loads of merits to get like travel, drug taking, attacking, crimes. All of those are so much easier to get than 10000 busts and 1000 revives

Also at your age compared to your statistics you are doing quite poor

Oh yeah and the faction specials to lower busting and revive energy don't so much unless they are maxed or near maxed

When I say limited, it was referred to the number of merits available in total. And everyone' know that already, but I get your point.

My age in game isn't correlated in how long do I spend my time in life. Unfortunately, real life events have more priority than this game. Only when I have idle time in between then I can tinker around. You seem to be doing well.

Faction specials nevertheless not complete useless. Helping to get that 10k busts and 1000 revives sometime in the future.

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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 14:45:36
Everyone deserves a second chance



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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 17:06:00
Nice thread. +

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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 19:45:07
some hefty prices for some honours

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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 21:38:57
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One honor I would love to know is pink camo?

I'm too thick to work it out but I'd love to see how much stats would be lost with 5,000 attacks




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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 21:45:20
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One honor I would love to know is pink camo?

I'm too thick to work it out but I'd love to see how much stats would be lost with 5,000 attacks




For the sake of it.. based on training a capped stat you get near about 18.5k stats per 10e

5,000 attacks would be 125k energy / 10e per train - 12.5k trains @ 18.5k stats, you'd be missing out on about 231m stats - not including the time it would take to carry out said attacks and the xanax you could you in that time

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Posted on Tue May 07, 2013 22:07:03
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One honor I would love to know is pink camo?

I'm too thick to work it out but I'd love to see how much stats would be lost with 5,000 attacks




For the sake of it.. based on training a capped stat you get near about 18.5k stats per 10e

5,000 attacks would be 125k energy / 10e per train - 12.5k trains @ 18.5k stats, you'd be missing out on about 231m stats - not including the time it would take to carry out said attacks and the xanax you could you in that time


Ouch, thanks for figuring it out. Worth it though, it's a great honour!


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Posted on Fri May 10, 2013 21:16:44
The Stock Analyst award can cost nothing but a few clicks. I bought a few thousand shares of various stock this morning. An hour later sold it and bought a few more. Made $ and got the award and merit in under 2 hours.

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 19:07:00
Its not an investment, its wasting money.
Because a merit isn't worth more than roughly 15mil, thats what they cost in points!

So paying 300mil for a merit is more than a bit.. umm.. retared. By buying points, you could have recieved 20 merits.

But perhaps that background is worth it, somehow..?

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 20:18:51
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Posted on Tue May 14, 2013 15:39:51
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joyrider.png - 5,000 GTA's***

60 x 24 = 1440 / 5 = 288 /12 = 28 crimes a day if your on 24 hours a day and pass 100%. 5000/28 = 178, so in reality about 9/10 months lol


Nice thread, but you forgot the medals that come with the GTA crimes.

You'll get GTA medal #14, Novice Joy Rider, with your 5,000th GTA, along with the merit, which means that single 5000 GTA honor bar will have netted you 15 merits along the way.

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Posted on Fri Jun 28, 2013 18:12:15
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Freedom isn't Free

Make 500 Bail from Jail cost me $63,058,725


Tip for this:;

Do this during the Halloween or Christmas events when the 20 minutes max jail sentences happen,it reduces this cost significantly.

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Posted on Fri Jun 28, 2013 19:07:45
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Freedom isn';t Free

Make 500 Bail from Jail cost me $63,058,725


Tip for this:;;

Do this during the Halloween or Christmas events when the 20 minutes max jail sentences happen,it reduces this cost significantly.


lol unlucky, i have almost 850 bails and that only cost me about 7.5mil

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