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Thread created on Wed Mar 13, 2013 08:14:37
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Ok, scenario..

I was after merits so I went back to the basics, checked out which crimes had merits and how many you needed to gain merits.

After doing a monumental amount of level 3 crimes (selling media) and gaining a few merits I decided to go for theft - so I stepped up to level 5 pickpocket, mainly the hobo and kid 5,1 and 5,2.

Roughly failed 1 in 30-40+ not really that bad............I thought.

Then on the 8th of March I log in to see my nervebar dropped due to a fail the night before.

So I grab my gas can and lighter and look for warehouses. So far I have not failed a single arson done quite a few since the 8th.

I got another merit this morning (2500 arsons) and yet the 5 lost nerve has not returned.

Now on 2511 arsons, so you can get a picture of how many I am doing..

Anyone have any idea how many arsons (level 11) match a single fail for stealing a jacket (level 5)
are required?

It will be interesting when the nervebar goes back up, I will try and keep track of exactly how many more arson are required to gain the next nerverbar increment.

If anyone knows of a crime that gains more 'XP' than the Arson Warehouse, please let us all know

I'll change to that and keep track of count when the nerve returns.

Regards.

Editing as 'XP' is a silly face icon and looks crap when in a sentence

Last Edited: Wed Mar 13, 2013 08:16:49
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AquaRegia

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Posted on Wed Mar 13, 2013 08:25:23
Pickpocket != stealing jackets, you should steal jackets.

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Posted on Wed Mar 13, 2013 08:27:53
what's you natural nerve bar?

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Posted on Wed Mar 13, 2013 08:46:24
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Pickpocket != stealing jackets, you should steal jackets.


This.

I stole many thousands with zero reds.



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Posted on Wed Mar 13, 2013 09:11:01
Considering the short amount of time that Torn has been available on the internet, you're probably the first person to discover that failing crimes costs you crime experience so I consider this to be a Vital Warning for all people who want to have a prosperous and happy future in Torn City!!!
Well done for selflessly warning us all!

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Posted on Wed Mar 13, 2013 09:25:09
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Considering the short amount of time that Torn has been available on the internet, you're probably the first person to discover that failing crimes costs you crime experience so I consider this to be a Vital Warning for all people who want to have a prosperous and happy future in Torn City!!!
Well done for selflessly warning us all!


Hehehe makes me smile, yeah yeah who'd have thought it!

But I hope others get a heads up of the crime 'XP' loss that can happen wasnt so much that 'XP' can be lost, it was the size of 'XP' and how long it'd take to regain it!

I have had some great feedback via email too - As highlighted by a couple - BUSTING players also increases 'XP' so bear this in mind.

I will keep track the moment I get the loss back of crimes between the levels.




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Posted on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:26:09
you gotta be kidding.
For merits people only do jacket thefts. less nerve with 100% green results.
Why on earth would a 1792 day old level 63 pickpocket and lose their nerve bar? Plus 5.1 and 5.2 crimes do not lose crime exp if fail or minimal loss. It must be due to OC fail or other factors.

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Posted on Wed Mar 13, 2013 14:10:52
I did think of this..

But yup I am still going on Arsons.

Watch them rise daily

*wonders if there was a change somewhere in the background*



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Posted on Wed Mar 13, 2013 14:38:40
Theft 23,613

All stealing jackets from the clothes shop (4 nerve crime). I've never failed a single one. If you're trying to get merits, then at least do some research ahead of time before screwing yourself. I highly doubt there were "changes in the background."

Good luck getting your nerve back up...

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Posted on Thu Mar 14, 2013 05:47:18
Hamster, I think you can get merits the quickest by doing the Pawn shop crimes



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Posted on Thu Mar 14, 2013 13:30:14
Busting first page, higher levels and working your way up to in jail over 6 hours! This may secure your nerve bar. Repeated fail of most crimes may decrease your nerve bar. I personally feel that high nerve crimes are there to sucker you into crime experience loss.

Busting + arson warehouse = higher crime success rate.
And I wouldn't do anything higher than planned robbery in OC's

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Posted on Thu Mar 14, 2013 13:55:18
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Hamster, I think you can get merits the quickest by doing the Pawn shop crimes



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Posted on Thu Mar 14, 2013 15:10:30
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By AquaRegia [1551111]
Pickpocket != stealing jackets, you should steal jackets.


This.

I stole many thousands with zero reds.



Yep, I've stolen 5,549 jackets in the past 2.5 months and not got one red.


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Posted on Thu Mar 14, 2013 19:22:03
Theft 25,297
Mostly jackets at least 20k+ of them and never had a red. Forget pick pocket crimes.

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Posted on Thu Mar 14, 2013 20:26:42
Am I not the onlyone who finds this hysterical?

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Posted on Fri Mar 15, 2013 07:11:51
If you stick to the hobo (and have $250 when you fail), you won't lose your nervebar. But nonetheless, Jackets are more efficient use of nerve.

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Posted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 17:38:47
I guess it takes out a percentage instead of a fixed value... so, 45 nerve guys lose the same exp failing the same crime than a 15 nerve guy... Well it's only my guess...

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Posted on Mon Mar 18, 2013 17:47:05
You shouldn't have risked the red. Never realized that that theft was a harsh red. I knew anything above 16 nerve was terrible for your crime experience.

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Posted on Wed Mar 20, 2013 15:47:47
Kidnapping the mayor gives good crime experience I think, but it also has a high brown rate so good luck.




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Posted on Sat May 18, 2013 00:19:21
By Ekko [1621978]
Considering the short amount of time that Torn has been available on the internet, you're probably the first person to discover that failing crimes costs you crime experience so I consider this to be a Vital Warning for all people who want to have a prosperous and happy future in Torn City!!!
Well done for selflessly warning us all!


Have happened me to!



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Posted on Sat May 18, 2013 00:27:40
Fraud crimes 14,923
i have a 30 nerve bar

i have sigs turned off so i don't have to see your crap
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Posted on Sat May 18, 2013 00:58:40
Fine, fine, we all know that Red costs X P.

The question is: how much?

Considering that Arson-Warehouse has a red-rate of 2%, how much do you need to get back on track?

What I'm getting at - if Red has a percentage-cost of X P, won't there be a point at which even a 2% red rate means unbearable cosquences?


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Posted on Sat May 18, 2013 01:46:08
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Fraud crimes 14,923
i have a 30 nerve bar


You've also done thousands of much riskier crimes, and hardly busted anybody for your age. What does this have to do with the rest of the thread. This thread isn't about how fast you can piss away natural nerve, but rather how quickly low level crimes will affect natural and how much success do you need to get it back.

Having said that expect at least another hundred or so before your previous natural nerve returns. Good luck, oh and make sure and pepper in some busts to help.

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Posted on Sat May 18, 2013 11:43:48
Theft 3,242


of these roughly 2,800 / 2,900 are from doing 7 nerve crimes . i have not had a failure for over a month minimum its been so long i cant recall exactly the last failure i had .
but that said i only do 1 crime an havent changed since i had a 20 nerve bar to now an my nerve bar is 30 nat now , its gone up roughly every 1,000 crimes.
when i did get a red crime i dropped down to rob the loan shark before going back up to 7 nerve crime and havent ever since then had a red crime thankfully !
i do how ever since i got the 30 nat bar get every day at least 6 brown crimes which ive put down to maybe being a sign i could move on in crimes to a harder crime as i am lead to believe you can start getting brown crimes if you do crimes with in your limit ??
that i dont know but as im looking to get all my theft merits first will carry on as i am regardless ,
an my busting needs working on also this i know as ive had as many failures as success at busting.

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Posted on Sat May 18, 2013 12:48:03
Jacket x6751 [Send][Trash]

Nerver Failed once

Theft: 11,855

Computer crimes: 962

Fraud: 7,976

45 nerve bar for 1.5 plus years

anyone want to buy some Jackets

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Posted on Mon Oct 21, 2013 22:41:30
What price for them... Ill buy then for cheap. Haaha

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Posted on Mon Oct 21, 2013 23:29:14
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What price for them... Ill buy then for cheap. Haaha


Why THE f**k would you bump this??

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Posted on Tue Oct 22, 2013 00:01:35
On 17th Apr of this year i got my 45NB. After that, inmediately i got the increase, i started kidnaping the mayor. One of these days i didn't had the 75k on hand and i was sent to jail... the nerve bar returned to 40 too... so, i started doing warehouse arsons again. I did 99 of them, and nerve bar returned back to 45... your experience is very strange, also, you don't add enough info, for example your nerve bar at the moment of the fail pickpocketing (or it was steal jacket?)

At least it was what happened to me back these days, as far as i remember...

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Posted on Tue Oct 22, 2013 08:31:40
It did not single handedly take you down in nerve. It was just the cherry on top of the sundae of failed jail busts and other red results.

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Posted on Tue Oct 22, 2013 14:36:14
hello,

yes I also experienced that many many times.

My natural nerve atm is 40, but it was 45 times before. I had 7 nerve left and decided to do the 7 nerve crime of course. THe last one available. I failed it (red result). My nerve did not update to 40 until the next day.

Since that day (about 15 days ago) I am still doing arson warehouses and still did not get the exp back from that fail (read: when I had 45 nerve I was doing mainly warehouses).

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Posted on Tue Oct 22, 2013 16:39:33
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It did not single handedly take you down in nerve. It was just the cherry on top of the sundae of failed jail busts and other red results.


If failed busts do give negative crime exp, which is unknown, it is well known that you won't lose crime exp overall from busting.

So bringing failed busts into it is either completely ridiculous or just ridiculous

Last Edited: Tue Oct 22, 2013 16:43:23
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