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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:03:48
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Scripts are good, however, they can do bad things.
Umbrellas are also good, they are mainly used to keep you dry when it's raining, but you can also use umbrellas to stab people. Does that mean we should ban all umbrellas and punish people who use them to keep themselves dry when it's raining? |
It's like your posts are designed to make people angry, if you keep typing like people are stupid it's no wonder these conversations break down quickly into slagging matches.
A better analogy for real life would be: Playing a game of football and someone changing the ball so that when he pressed a button on his sock, it comes back to him. Then everyone seeing he's done that and copying. Until eventually it's not really football anymore, it's press a button on your sock ball.
Or a game of chess where someone says "No, my king can move two spaces."
Or any other games that have rules and those rules are worked around. Whether to make something easier or something with a more sinister effect.
Umbrellas are a cheat anyway.
I agree with the others that say if suggestions were implemented and the game made more user friendly, we wouldn't need scripts. |
Well, sorry for being honest. I'm not calling anyone stupid, but chanting "ban all scripts!" is stupid.
And your football example isn't very good, remote controlling the ball would clearly be cheating. I'm not a big fan of cheating, regardless of how you do it (scripts, fairy dust, seducing the admin). A better example would be a football player who has a watch that automatically keeps score, should that be allowed?
Again, scripts aren't bad, even if they can be used for bad things (such as botting).
And even if Chedburn decided to "ban all scripts" for whatever reason, it'd make no difference, you can't ban userscripts, it just simply can't be done.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:04:30
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i personal think all scripts weather its a user friendly or not script, it shouldnt be alloud, because it give people a unfair advantage over others, people should be fedded (not forever, maybe like a week depending on the script)
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:06:34
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Maybe we could have a teddy bear for such victims.
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@ All the people who are saying "you just don't understand what a script is", get over yourselves. Really.
Read the posts, something that lets you take X number of items or do an activity X amount of times in one click is considered, by many, to be an unfair advantage. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:06:48
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I'd say some scripts are very useful for the game. For example, I made a (private & customized) script for the faction I'm in for use for making it easier to track down individual member attacks. The point is that once I get this script running exactly as well as I want it will record the attacks won for the members making it much easier for putting this information into excel.
Does this mean I should be fedded? Obviously not as I checked to see the legality of the script I'm making and expanding to a degree.
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There'd be no captchas involved here if it is just viewing profiles or faction news, if it's recording attacks per day then the script is just running through the faction attack news, which isn't an issue, plenty of scripts have/do exist that read this already available information. Illegal scripts are those that are used to cause profit to someone at the misfortune of another.
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from a staff member of what my script was written to do.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:13:19
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Maybe we could have a teddy bear for such victims.
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@ All the people who are saying "you just don't understand what a script is", get over yourselves. Really.
Read the posts, something that lets you take X number of items or do an activity X amount of times in one click is considered, by many, to be an unfair advantage. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. |
Of course, lots of people consider wealth an unfair advantage. Should it be banned too?
Anyone can pick up the openly published script 0.7.00.00
If there was some issue of negating game-laws we would know so by now.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:15:43
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Maybe we could have a teddy bear for such victims.
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@ All the people who are saying "you just don't understand what a script is", get over yourselves. Really.
Read the posts, something that lets you take X number of items or do an activity X amount of times in one click is considered, by many, to be an unfair advantage. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. |
You clearly don't understand what a script is. You hear an example of one bad script, and come to the conclusion that all scripts are bad. That's like saying if a certain player is a cheater, then all players are cheaters and should be banned.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:19:30
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@ All the people who are saying "you just don't understand what a script is", get over yourselves. Really. |
Could you please grow up? There are dumbasses who say "all opinions are equal" however an INFORMED opinion is more valuable than an uninformed one. So if you don't even grasp the simplest concepts which have been explained here re: scripts, then your opinion on whether or not they should be banned, is really not useful.
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Read the posts, something that lets you take X number of items or do an activity X amount of times in one click is considered, by many, to be an unfair advantage. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. |
How does it give you an unfair advantage? Let's say you and I are both in hospital for 3 hours and we're going to use 2 morphs. Let's say I use 2 morphs all at once and you use them one at a time, saving me ~ 5 seconds (max). How does me saving myself 5 seconds on my own account using my own time affect you? How is it disadvantageous to yourself?
It's not as though Torn is only open for 45 minutes per day or something (thereby I WOULD gain an advantage over you).
Again using your example, those who play longer than someone else (during their typical day) gain an 'unfair advantage' due to the time restriction on the other player. Clearly the only solution is to re-invent Torn into some sort of turn-based gameplay.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:25:19
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| By AquaRegia [1551111] You hear an example of one bad script, and come to the conclusion that all scripts are bad. That's like saying if a certain player is a cheater, then all players are cheaters and should be banned. |
What I'm saying is that the current grey area needs to be clarified. Whether that's allowing all scripts, or none, I'm not *that* bothered, but it needs resolving one way or the other.
Personal opinion is that all scripts negate gameplay to a certain extent, but that eventually, like scamming, staff will decide it's beyond their ability to police and just say f*ck it, everything's allowed.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:31:21
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By AquaRegia [1551111]
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Maybe we could have a teddy bear for such victims.
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@ All the people who are saying "you just don't understand what a script is", get over yourselves. Really.
Read the posts, something that lets you take X number of items or do an activity X amount of times in one click is considered, by many, to be an unfair advantage. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. |
You clearly don't understand what a script is. You hear an example of one bad script, and come to the conclusion that all scripts are bad. That's like saying if a certain player is a cheater, then all players are cheaters and should be banned. |
An advantage is an advantage. If you can do something someone else can't do, it's an advantage. If you can do something with less time and effort than someone else, it's an advantage. They may be small advantages but still advantages.
I like the chess analogy but a little different.... It's like scripts gave pawns the ability to move like a rook but could still only take pieces like a pawn should. We all still have to take pieces diagonally, but your pawn is getting across the board a lot quicker. If I have to click 20 times to use 10 enhancers (move my pawn 10 times) and you have to click 1 time for 10 enhancers (instantly moved your pawn into place) it is an unfair advantage. A small advantage mind you, but an advantage none the less.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:36:49
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Maybe we could have a teddy bear for such victims.
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@ All the people who are saying "you just don't understand what a script is", get over yourselves. Really.
Read the posts, something that lets you take X number of items or do an activity X amount of times in one click is considered, by many, to be an unfair advantage. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. |
You clearly don't understand what a script is. You hear an example of one bad script, and come to the conclusion that all scripts are bad. That's like saying if a certain player is a cheater, then all players are cheaters and should be banned. |
An advantage is an advantage. If you can do something someone else can't do, it's an advantage. If you can do something with less time and effort than someone else, it's an advantage. They may be small advantages but still advantages.
I like the chess analogy but a little different.... It's like scripts gave pawns the ability to move like a rook but could still only take pieces like a pawn should. We all still have to take pieces diagonally, but your pawn is getting across the board a lot quicker. If I have to click 20 times to use 10 enhancers (move my pawn 10 times) and you have to click 1 time for 10 enhancers (instantly moved your pawn into place) it is an unfair advantage. A small advantage mind you, but an advantage none the less. |
I can multiply rather large numbers in my head quite quickly, which gives me a slight advantage when trading items, should I not be allowed to trade?
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:38:22
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Indeed I think having well defined scripting rules and establishing better ways to catch those that break the rules or prevent the abuse from happening to start with.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:40:53
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If I have to click 20 times to use 10 enhancers (move my pawn 10 times) and you have to click 1 time for 10 enhancers (instantly moved your pawn into place) it is an unfair advantage. A small advantage mind you, but an advantage none the less. |
Most people seem to be taking issue with bulk use scripts. Are we to conclude these are the only (non botting) scripts you are aware of? Have you considered mailing a fauxmittee member and asking for bulk use to be added?
But dear Crow, here is the big problem with your whinging....the scripts are available for EVERYONE to use for FREE. If you don't *want* to use it, no one can force you, however don't cry "unfair advantage" when people use scripts to addon features which should ideally be already implemented into the game, and which were in fact, placed in suggestions forum time and time again only to be ignored.
You CAN use them if you want to, but just because you don't WANT to doesn't mean you're 'unable to.' Unless you mean you're 'unable to' because you don't know how, in which case, I'm sure someone will be glad to assist.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:44:43
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Maybe we could have a teddy bear for such victims.
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@ All the people who are saying "you just don't understand what a script is", get over yourselves. Really.
Read the posts, something that lets you take X number of items or do an activity X amount of times in one click is considered, by many, to be an unfair advantage. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. |
You clearly don't understand what a script is. You hear an example of one bad script, and come to the conclusion that all scripts are bad. That's like saying if a certain player is a cheater, then all players are cheaters and should be banned. |
An advantage is an advantage. If you can do something someone else can't do, it's an advantage. If you can do something with less time and effort than someone else, it's an advantage. They may be small advantages but still advantages.
I like the chess analogy but a little different.... It's like scripts gave pawns the ability to move like a rook but could still only take pieces like a pawn should. We all still have to take pieces diagonally, but your pawn is getting across the board a lot quicker. If I have to click 20 times to use 10 enhancers (move my pawn 10 times) and you have to click 1 time for 10 enhancers (instantly moved your pawn into place) it is an unfair advantage. A small advantage mind you, but an advantage none the less. |
I can multiply rather large numbers in my head quite quickly, which gives me a slight advantage when trading items, should I not be allowed to trade? |
Apples and oranges dude. You're multiplying numbers in your own head to get a price, far from being the same as someone clicking 1 button to perform multiple tasks or repeat a task numerous times.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:44:45
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Indeed I think having well defined scripting rules and establishing better ways to catch those that break the rules or prevent the abuse from happening to start with. |
Staff use a magic 8-ball to determine whether someone is a multi or not. What makes you think that without a tattle-tail that they'd be able to determine whether or not someone was scripting? I mean the magic 8 ball is already busy so....?
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:55:05
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If I have to click 20 times to use 10 enhancers (move my pawn 10 times) and you have to click 1 time for 10 enhancers (instantly moved your pawn into place) it is an unfair advantage. A small advantage mind you, but an advantage none the less. |
Most people seem to be taking issue with bulk use scripts. Are we to conclude these are the only (non botting) scripts you are aware of? Have you considered mailing a fauxmittee member and asking for bulk use to be added?
But dear Crow, here is the big problem with your whinging....the scripts are available for EVERYONE to use for FREE. If you don't *want* to use it, no one can force you, however don't cry "unfair advantage" when people use scripts to addon features which should ideally be already implemented into the game, and which were in fact, placed in suggestions forum time and time again only to be ignored.
You CAN use them if you want to, but just because you don't WANT to doesn't mean you're 'unable to.' Unless you mean you're 'unable to' because you don't know how, in which case, I'm sure someone will be glad to assist. |
Regardless of why some people choose not to use them (Maybe they don't trust the creator not to be a devious little shit and have something else encoded. Maybe their system isn't able to use the scripts. Maybe they just want to play the game honest and how the dev's made it JUST to say "I didn't sell out and use advantages like those lazy people" etc.) they ARE advantages, it's just that simple.
As an example... If 2 factions are at war, and one faction wants the other destroyed, and they're fighting tooth and nail to keep people hosped and keep that zero, but the other team uses scripts and are instantly out of the hospital and attacking, how can you say thats not an advantage?
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| By AquaRegia [1551111] You hear an example of one bad script, and come to the conclusion that all scripts are bad. That's like saying if a certain player is a cheater, then all players are cheaters and should be banned. |
What I'm saying is that the current grey area needs to be clarified. Whether that's allowing all scripts, or none, I'm not *that* bothered, but it needs resolving one way or the other.
Personal opinion is that all scripts negate gameplay to a certain extent, but that eventually, like scamming, staff will decide it's beyond their ability to police and just say f*ck it, everything's allowed. |
While clarification of the "gray area" may sound like a nice thing, the problem is no matter how you look at them not all scripts are equal in what they do - so a simple all or nothing may not be enough. Wed end up either with accounts playing without users, or a ton of users banned because they had a script sorting the events they received for example. Those two things cant possibly be treated the same regardless.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:58:14
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Apples and oranges dude. You're multiplying numbers in your own head to get a price, far from being the same as someone clicking 1 button to perform multiple tasks or repeat a task numerous times. |
Shifting goal-post?
Whether or not there is an advantage is not the point.
Whether or not it is fair not the point.
Does it infringe upon game-laws? That is the point.
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I mean by that creating logs for when sensitive information is accessed. Then any time the information is accessed when it should not be it flags the users id/ ip address. It would require a rework of all the information that flows through torn is the obvious drawback. But I believe it wouldn't take long once they get the ground work for the information to flag it once.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:01:59
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Regardless of why some people choose not to use them (Maybe they don't trust the creator not to be a devious little shit and have something else encoded. Maybe their system isn't able to use the scripts. Maybe they just want to play the game honest and how the dev's made it JUST to say "I didn't sell out and use advantages like those lazy people" etc.) they ARE advantages, it's just that simple.
As an example... If 2 factions are at war, and one faction wants the other destroyed, and they're fighting tooth and nail to keep people hosped and keep that zero, but the other team uses scripts and are instantly out of the hospital and attacking, how can you say thats not an advantage? |
Some people choose not to use donator packs (or can't) hence less energy & slower regen
Some people choose to send items one at a time instead of using trade.
Some people choose to use sfaks instead of morphs (so they have to do more clicking)
Some people choose to get revived instead of morphing
Some people know how to play casino games, some don't
and so on.
I'm sure why your generalized claim of 'advantage' can be applied to many areas of this game. If you are truly concerned about all players having the same everything (so no one has advantage over another) then you'd better get your 'rip the guts out of Torn' suggestion up eh?
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:06:23
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Apples and oranges dude. You're multiplying numbers in your own head to get a price, far from being the same as someone clicking 1 button to perform multiple tasks or repeat a task numerous times. |
Shifting goal-post?
Whether or not there is an advantage is not the point.
Whether or not it is fair not the point.
Does it infringe upon game-laws? That is the point. |
THIS. The main scripts people use are in the GD forum and are on display for all to see. I'm quite sure the admin would have said by now if they were illegal.
The problem is with those who say there should be black and white rules of what is allowed and what is not, is that Torn is evolving and so the scripts are modified or new ones written to cater to the current desirable modifications of any given time (which can change next week!) So it'd be almost impossible to write a list of 'what's allowed to do by script' and what's not allowed. However as I said, many other scripts can be written, but they just haven't been done yet, or haven't been thought of, or the feature the script will modify/fix/enhance is not even released yet.
Also the BAD scripts that people would want to get rid of (ie. bots) are NOT made public, so you'd only be penalizing the transparent scripters and the botters would sail on unharmed.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:17:42
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Regardless of why some people choose not to use them (Maybe they don't trust the creator not to be a devious little shit and have something else encoded. Maybe their system isn't able to use the scripts. Maybe they just want to play the game honest and how the dev's made it JUST to say "I didn't sell out and use advantages like those lazy people" etc.) they ARE advantages, it's just that simple.
As an example... If 2 factions are at war, and one faction wants the other destroyed, and they're fighting tooth and nail to keep people hosped and keep that zero, but the other team uses scripts and are instantly out of the hospital and attacking, how can you say thats not an advantage? |
Some people choose not to use donator packs (or can't) hence less energy & slower regen
Some people choose to send items one at a time instead of using trade.
Some people choose to use sfaks instead of morphs (so they have to do more clicking)
Some people choose to get revived instead of morphing
Some people know how to play casino games, some don't
and so on.
I'm sure why your generalized claim of 'advantage' can be applied to many areas of this game. If you are truly concerned about all players having the same everything (so no one has advantage over another) then you'd better get your 'rip the guts out of Torn' suggestion up eh? |
Difference is, everything you named is PART OF THE GAME and it's up to the player to use those opportunities or not. Scripting is NOT part of the game.
And I'd prefer the "People too lazy to play the game honest and need advantages should find an easier game to play" suggestion.
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Difference is, everything you named is PART OF THE GAME and it's up to the player to use those opportunities or not. Scripting is NOT part of the game.
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Oh I'm sorry, can you please show me where the rules state that scripting is not allowed? No? didn't think so. Until such time as the rules state as such, scripting can be part of the game whether you choose to take advantage of it or not. It's your prerogative.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:35:42
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Difference is, everything you named is PART OF THE GAME and it's up to the player to use those opportunities or not. Scripting is NOT part of the game.
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Oh I'm sorry, can you please show me where the rules state that scripting is not allowed? No? didn't think so. Until such time as the rules state as such, scripting can be part of the game whether you choose to take advantage of it or not. It's your prerogative.
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Thats the whole point of this discussion. It's not against rules atm but it should be in MANY peoples opinion. It's not like the established rules we have now are the same rules set when Ched first created Torn. As you said, the game evolves and so do the players so rules sometimes have to be created to account for advantages. Why did the stock market change? Why did enhancer use change? Why did self busting change? Because people were getting too much of an advantage so it had to be nerfed. The problem is, the wheels turn too damn slow around here and problems are not acknowledged until its out of hand.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:48:21
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Thats the whole point of this discussion. It's not against rules atm but it should be in MANY peoples opinion.
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Luckily rules are not made due to yours or anyone else's (except Ched's) 'personal preference.' You simply don't personally like scripts (or don't know how to use them) so you think they should be banned; all the while hiding behind the 'big evil botterz!' as a cover.
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As stated previously if you managed to control your blinding rage long enough to read, there is no way to determine who is using a script and who is not, as the effects of most scripts in use on Torn generally have to do with aesthetics, some bulk use, and some various other functions. You can't determine who's not using them as to who is using them.
So for all your whinging and moaning, you have yet to set forth a way to combat this problem? Oh I forgot, it's your job to be the squeaky wheel and not the grease getter.
Also as I said before, any such change like this would only affect the publicly available script users, and not the users that SHOULD be targetted (to really combat the problem); the botters and the illegal script users (ie. mugging scripts). These people will continue on with their private scripts and tweak them to meet any changes that might be put in place to stop them. you can only find them out (unless they're really really stupid) by someone tattling on them.
So generally you can't tell who's using a script unless they admit it (or are dobbed in), you can't write a black and white list of what is and is not allowed via scripting (as detailed earlier), so I suggest you stuff your whinging in a sack and let staff deal with this issue on a case by case basis as they seem to have been doing.
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Difference is, everything you named is PART OF THE GAME and it's up to the player to use those opportunities or not. Scripting is NOT part of the game.
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Oh I'm sorry, can you please show me where the rules state that scripting is not allowed? No? didn't think so. Until such time as the rules state as such, scripting can be part of the game whether you choose to take advantage of it or not. It's your prerogative.
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Well, when old player took advantage of sharestock and some bugs, remember how the mods team remove such glitch?
The message is clear, if you haven't realized it yet:
Ched and the team wanted this game to be as fair as possible. By 'Fair', it means all player must advanced the game within the same condition without the others have a better condition to than others.
Having a script means to have advantage over others, even if its insignificant. A harmless bit of unfairness is still unfair.
Capiche?
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:54:52
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There is no way people have these stats without scripts. Simple as that, there is no way you can take xanax so consecutively without not having anything to do like sleep or work. That being said, I stick my middle fingers up to scripts. It's gaining an un fair game advantage, simple as that.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:55:54
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Apples and oranges dude. You're multiplying numbers in your own head to get a price, far from being the same as someone clicking 1 button to perform multiple tasks or repeat a task numerous times. |
Shifting goal-post?
Whether or not there is an advantage is not the point.
Whether or not it is fair not the point.
Does it infringe upon game-laws? That is the point. |
THIS. The main scripts people use are in the GD forum and are on display for all to see. I'm quite sure the admin would have said by now if they were illegal.
The problem is with those who say there should be black and white rules of what is allowed and what is not, is that Torn is evolving and so the scripts are modified or new ones written to cater to the current desirable modifications of any given time (which can change next week!) So it'd be almost impossible to write a list of 'what's allowed to do by script' and what's not allowed. However as I said, many other scripts can be written, but they just haven't been done yet, or haven't been thought of, or the feature the script will modify/fix/enhance is not even released yet.
Also the BAD scripts that people would want to get rid of (ie. bots) are NOT made public, so you'd only be penalizing the transparent scripters and the botters would sail on unharmed. |
Not this.
This thread is called 'your views bla bla bla'. Not 'are scripts allowed in the game?'
As I said before, many people think they are bad for the game, not all scripts, perhaps but some of them. Link's example of if she chooses to use 2 morphines at once to save her 5 seconds is all well and good but if she chooses to use 15 sfak in the same time, then that's more of an advantage. If 10 people chose to use the busting script that speeds up busting different people then, guess what, many less people would be in jail. If 100 people chose to use it, no one would be in jail. If everybody constantly used some of these scripts it would wreck parts of the game (and I suspect it already has).
It's great that scripts are available to all who choose to use them but it's undeniably not part of 'Torn.com'. No one is calling for people to be fedded (apart from bot users), we are just voicing our opinions that it's not fair and something in the rules should be changed.
On the flip side, can someone explain to me why you really need scripts if it's not to give an advantage?
Can we agree that if suggestions worked, then we wouldn't need them?
Or is it only because 'you can' so you will (as if the rules in the game never change).
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:58:09
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So pointing out the obvious and participating in discussion is whining and blinding rage? No, don't think so.
You sure are a defensive little shit aren't you? YOU seam to be the one all bent out of shape about being accused of being a lazy gamer for using scripts (which you are).
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:59:49
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Well, when old player took advantage of sharestock and some bugs, remember how the mods team remove such glitch?
The message is clear, if you haven't realized it yet:
Ched and the team wanted this game to be as fair as possible. By 'Fair', it means all player must advanced the game within the same condition without the others have a better condition to than others.
Having a script means to have advantage over others, even if its insignificant. A harmless bit of unfairness is still unfair.
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I have bolded some words for you there, please do take note.
Now, get this message:
1. I filed a bug report about my jail timer going into the negative if I was busted/bailed & self bailed myself on the exact same second.
2. Actually I filed 2 bug reports, as the first one was closed a little prematurely.
3. In these bug reports, I posted screenshot to Chedburn of me using a 1-click bust/bail script, and I also posted videos (in both threads).
4. Chedburn did not say it was against the rules and even looked into detail on how the script worked to see if he could narrow down what was causing this bug.
5. The bug was fixed and was not caused by the script ofc.
So Chedburn saw a script I use with his own eyes and he did not say it was illegal, nor did he make any claims about 'advantages' or 'unfairness.' If you have issue with your definitions of 'unfair' and 'advantage' versus his, then please take it up with him.
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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2013 13:00:08
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Can some one who knows about scripts tell me this!
What would a mugging script do?
How would it aid a player?
What areas of the game would it exploit?
How would it get to these areas unknowing by the devs?
I am really interested in know about this script as people accuse others of using them.
I believe all scripts should be band and the game changed where they can't be used!
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