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Belwilliam
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 19:06:26
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Mr_Torn99, send me all your valuables and I'll keep them safe 
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Xxchun_lixX
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 19:29:21
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By Mr_Torn99 [1660408]
Ever since players have been given the ability to leave a faction after 0 days in it, faction scamming has gotten worse. People join factions and ask to be co-leader and then take everything in the faction, leave, and move on to a new faction. When it used to be you had to stay in a faction for at least 7 days, this wasn't as bad because a potential scammer knew that they'd have to wait a week before scamming another faction, so they realized it wasn't even worth scamming one. Plus, if you were unsuccessful in the scamming back then, you had to wait 7 days before you could leave and you got nothing. Nowadays if someone is unsuccessful in scamming, they can just leave the faction and move on to a new one. I think that 7 days was too long to wait to leave a faction, especially if you didn't like it, but 0 days is just as bad with all the scamming. They should make it something like 3 days so not as many scammers can just join, become co-leader, take everything, and leave. And even if you find that you don't like the faction, waiting 3 days to be able to leave it really isn't all that bad. What do you guys think about this? |
2013-01-27
6:36:21 PM Mr_Torn99 says:
Hello, can I join your faction?
2013-01-27
6:43:36 PM Mr_Torn99 says:
Thanks mate. Can I be co-leader?
2013-01-27
6:58:11 PM Mr_Torn99 says: Ah, I see. I have over 2.5 bil mate, I'm willing to donate 500 mil or maybe even more if you let me be co-leader. I just want to help the faction, that's all. I feel like I can't do enough as a regular member. Please mate. You can trust me.
2013-01-28
4:44:08 PM Mr_Torn99 says: Sorry for bugging you mate, I didn't realize you were playing poker. My chat just disconnected, but I've decided I'm willing to give your faction 1 bil (I have 2.5 bil total) if you make me co-leader. I was thinking you could maybe make me it now so I could see what it's like and get the feel of it. Like I said mate, I want to help your faction get to the top the best I can and I want to be the best co-leader I can possibly be. This isn't about taking your money, you can take that out if you really don't trust me, I understand that you don't want that taken. But that's not why I want to be co-leader. I want to help you lead your faction to success. I'll also donate 10 mil every day. (I make about 20 mil a day in investments.) Please take my offer mate. Thanks so much!
2013-01-28
5:09:18 PM Mr_Torn99 says: Hey mate, I need to know about the co-leader thing right now. I just got an offer at a better faction but I put the guy on hold. If I can't be co-leader, I'm joining the other faction. Can I be co mate?
2013-01-31
10:54:57 PM Mr_Torn99 says: I temporarily joined my friend's faction to help him out mate, could I come back to yours and be co-leader? Remember, I'll donate over 500 mil or maybe even more if you make me co-leader. Thanks so much mate!
are you a scammer??
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 22:35:43
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By Navin [786973]
Anybody who would make a 0 day in faction co-leader deserves whatever happens |
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Dawn
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 22:46:25
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I think he's the scammer, not the scammed. If you notice he's in a new faction as co-leader. (Heaven help whoever did that)
Also, he runs an 'investment service' according to some of his older posts.
Clever ploy or just that stupid enough to draw attention to himself? Who knows?
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dunmugmeh
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 22:52:02
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A lot of the people who play this game thinks the casino is the most important part of it
The casino always wins
Think about that the next time someone asks you for money or control of your faction or whatever else the casino addicts do to get their gambling money 
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CravenTHC
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 22:55:11
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I don't think so many people would have problems with scammers/scamming if there was a realistic recourse that could be taken. Everybody talks about this being a crime game whenever scamming comes up. Well if that's your argument then feel free to go ahead and steal from a real life crime syndicates armory. They'd hunt you down and kill you, take their stuff back, and then take all of your stuff as well. Unfortunately here in the game there is no way to get your stuff back except through scamming them back, or if by chance they have a change of heart.
Screw making scamming illegal, but give the players a realistic recourse to get back at these pukes. Right now the only thing you can do is bounty/hospitalize them, and we all know how affective that is in deterring them or helping them change their mind. Even if you have friends to back you up and put them in hospital 24/7 it's unlikely to affect them at all. There would have to be some way that the masses can get back at scammers without giving them something new to exploit, and without giving players too much power. Good luck finding how to accomplish this.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 23:16:26
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By Navin [786973]
Anybody who would make a 0 day in faction co-leader deserves whatever happens |
agreed .
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 23:17:32
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By Sweeney_Todd [27468]
Simple solution, don't give strangers keys to the safe on the first day...
Next! |
By Gorgonzola [1300528]
Don't make someone co-leader you don't trust.
The end. |
By HLH [1378809]
Don't make people you don't know and trust co-leader. Problem solved. |
By IceBlueFire [776]
You realize, whether they stick around for a week or a day, if you give them co-leader and their only intention is to take whatever you have...they're going to do it regardless? Moral of the story is...don't give someone you don't trust access to the faction. You deserve what you got and hopefully you'll learn and move on for next time. |
By Xenu [1514924]
Make meyour co-leader, problem solved |
By _Flow_ [1307281]
if you gave them co-leader position from day 0 then you are a stupid and you deserve what happens to you if you got scammed. |
By Cadillac [929733]
I doubt this will be mentioned by anyone else, so ill say it.
Dont give someone access that you dont know or trust |
By irish_Ryan [1521148]
Who in the name of god gives co-leadership to a 0 day member unless they trust them. Noob. Deserves what they get in my opinion.
KEY TIP
DONT GIVE PEOPLE ACCESS TO VAULT UNLESS TRUSTED |
By Holmes407 [988170]
well i belive all the above comment would slove this problen
Dont give access to people u dont know and/or trust |
By HavokGDI [133687]
Here is an idea, when someone says "Can I be co-leader?" before even applying... say no. |
DO NOT MAKE SOME RANDOM 0 DAY PLAYER OR ANY PLAYER THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT TO BE YOUR CO.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 23:33:24
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By Clamsdancer- [1128181]
By Sweeney_Todd [27468]
Simple solution, don't give strangers keys to the safe on the first day...
Next! |
By Gorgonzola [1300528]
Don't make someone co-leader you don't trust.
The end. |
By HLH [1378809]
Don't make people you don't know and trust co-leader. Problem solved. |
By IceBlueFire [776]
You realize, whether they stick around for a week or a day, if you give them co-leader and their only intention is to take whatever you have...they're going to do it regardless? Moral of the story is...don't give someone you don't trust access to the faction. You deserve what you got and hopefully you'll learn and move on for next time. |
By Xenu [1514924]
Make meyour co-leader, problem solved |
By _Flow_ [1307281]
if you gave them co-leader position from day 0 then you are a stupid and you deserve what happens to you if you got scammed. |
By Cadillac [929733]
I doubt this will be mentioned by anyone else, so ill say it.
Dont give someone access that you dont know or trust |
By irish_Ryan [1521148]
Who in the name of god gives co-leadership to a 0 day member unless they trust them. Noob. Deserves what they get in my opinion.
KEY TIP
DONT GIVE PEOPLE ACCESS TO VAULT UNLESS TRUSTED |
By Holmes407 [988170]
well i belive all the above comment would slove this problen
Dont give access to people u dont know and/or trust |
By HavokGDI [133687]
Here is an idea, when someone says "Can I be co-leader?" before even applying... say no. |
DO NOT MAKE SOME RANDOM 0 DAY PLAYER OR ANY PLAYER THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT TO BE YOUR CO.
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 23:13:24
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HE SCAMMED ME OVER 400m him and his mate
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 00:19:15
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By Xxchun_lixX [326665]
2013-01-27
6:36:21 PM Mr_Torn99 says:
Hello, can I join your faction?
2013-01-27
6:43:36 PM Mr_Torn99 says:
Thanks mate. Can I be co-leader?
2013-01-27
6:58:11 PM Mr_Torn99 says: Ah, I see. I have over 2.5 bil mate, I'm willing to donate 500 mil or maybe even more if you let me be co-leader. I just want to help the faction, that's all. I feel like I can't do enough as a regular member. Please mate. You can trust me.
2013-01-28
4:44:08 PM Mr_Torn99 says: Sorry for bugging you mate, I didn't realize you were playing poker. My chat just disconnected, but I've decided I'm willing to give your faction 1 bil (I have 2.5 bil total) if you make me co-leader. I was thinking you could maybe make me it now so I could see what it's like and get the feel of it. Like I said mate, I want to help your faction get to the top the best I can and I want to be the best co-leader I can possibly be. This isn't about taking your money, you can take that out if you really don't trust me, I understand that you don't want that taken. But that's not why I want to be co-leader. I want to help you lead your faction to success. I'll also donate 10 mil every day. (I make about 20 mil a day in investments.) Please take my offer mate. Thanks so much!
2013-01-28
5:09:18 PM Mr_Torn99 says: Hey mate, I need to know about the co-leader thing right now. I just got an offer at a better faction but I put the guy on hold. If I can't be co-leader, I'm joining the other faction. Can I be co mate?
2013-01-31
10:54:57 PM Mr_Torn99 says: I temporarily joined my friend's faction to help him out mate, could I come back to yours and be co-leader? Remember, I'll donate over 500 mil or maybe even more if you make me co-leader. Thanks so much mate!
are you a scammer??
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if I got such messages, I'd kindly invite him to donate those 500mil he keeps talking about and see what happens.
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python
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 01:11:13
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i dont really see point of 7day thing being removed it stopped noobs just faction hopping for wars
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Foggy
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:49:42
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I went and asked my magic 8 ball what it thought about this thread...all it said was "I see stupid people posting here". I agree, and making stupid comments like giving someone with 0 days in faction access to the faction bank being stupid. No shit!!!! Really? As if this is really the cause of faction scamming.
Fact one: factions are being scammed.
Fact two: factions will continue to be scammed losing billions as long as it is legal.
Fact three: Most faction scams are done by trusted faction members.
Fact four: Faction scamming victims can't do a damn thing about it and the scammer benefits from
special player protection status.
Fact five: Tolerating fact four is stupid.
Quit being stupid...make Torn staff accountable for protecting players from this type of scamming. Or just continue to be stupid and make stupid comments.
Scamming sucks!
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Bundles
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:59:19
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humans are stupid in general
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:03:20
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2013-02-07
1:58:27 PM Aces-n-Eights says:
hey you want a strong co-leader for the faction bud:)
lol people actually fall for this
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Nahaz
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:56:19
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By Sweeney_Todd [27468]
Simple solution, don't give strangers keys to the safe on the first day...
Next! |
i thought everyone know about this or as one of my friends says, "you just need to use some common sense."
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 07:35:30
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By CravenTHC [1569996]
I don't think so many people would have problems with scammers/scamming if there was a realistic recourse that could be taken. Everybody talks about this being a crime game whenever scamming comes up. Well if that's your argument then feel free to go ahead and steal from a real life crime syndicates armory. They'd hunt you down and kill you, take their stuff back, and then take all of your stuff as well. Unfortunately here in the game there is no way to get your stuff back except through scamming them back, or if by chance they have a change of heart.
Screw making scamming illegal, but give the players a realistic recourse to get back at these pukes. Right now the only thing you can do is bounty/hospitalize them, and we all know how affective that is in deterring them or helping them change their mind. Even if you have friends to back you up and put them in hospital 24/7 it's unlikely to affect them at all. There would have to be some way that the masses can get back at scammers without giving them something new to exploit, and without giving players too much power. Good luck finding how to accomplish this. |
Exactly Well said... This little prats are giving too much protection on this game, the bounty doesnt even make them sweat nowadays. Bring out something more meaningful. I also think the Torn community encourages this Bullshit too much, I think there needs to be a proper Public forum on this game where you enlist all scammers and all directors and Faction members are encouraged not to accept them. I think there needs to be coordinated way in dealing with this crap.
I mean check this guys Robb_Stark [1075937] profile.. He got Scammed 90B, how does someone recover from that, I thought me getting scammed 3B was bad but 90B its outrageous. Its total Bull.
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WaterFreak
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 13:41:38
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By ghosty [1348728]
By CravenTHC [1569996]
I don't think so many people would have problems with scammers/scamming if there was a realistic recourse that could be taken. Everybody talks about this being a crime game whenever scamming comes up. Well if that's your argument then feel free to go ahead and steal from a real life crime syndicates armory. They'd hunt you down and kill you, take their stuff back, and then take all of your stuff as well. Unfortunately here in the game there is no way to get your stuff back except through scamming them back, or if by chance they have a change of heart.
Screw making scamming illegal, but give the players a realistic recourse to get back at these pukes. Right now the only thing you can do is bounty/hospitalize them, and we all know how affective that is in deterring them or helping them change their mind. Even if you have friends to back you up and put them in hospital 24/7 it's unlikely to affect them at all. There would have to be some way that the masses can get back at scammers without giving them something new to exploit, and without giving players too much power. Good luck finding how to accomplish this. |
Exactly Well said... This little prats are giving too much protection on this game, the bounty doesnt even make them sweat nowadays. Bring out something more meaningful. I also think the Torn community encourages this Bullshit too much, I think there needs to be a proper Public forum on this game where you enlist all scammers and all directors and Faction members are encouraged not to accept them. I think there needs to be coordinated way in dealing with this crap.
I mean check this guys Robb_Stark [1075937] profile.. He got Scammed 90B, how does someone recover from that, I thought me getting scammed 3B was bad but 90B its outrageous. Its total Bull. |
well stated for sure
it is a shame that laziness that led to making scamming legal has damaged the game so much
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 14:37:22
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Only the strong and smart ones will thrive
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Foggy
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 19:49:24
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By CravenTHC [1569996]
I don't think so many people would have problems with scammers/scamming if there was a realistic recourse that could be taken. Everybody talks about this being a crime game whenever scamming comes up. Well if that's your argument then feel free to go ahead and steal from a real life crime syndicates armory. They'd hunt you down and kill you, take their stuff back, and then take all of your stuff as well. Unfortunately here in the game there is no way to get your stuff back except through scamming them back, or if by chance they have a change of heart.
Screw making scamming illegal, but give the players a realistic recourse to get back at these pukes. Right now the only thing you can do is bounty/hospitalize them, and we all know how affective that is in deterring them or helping them change their mind. Even if you have friends to back you up and put them in hospital 24/7 it's unlikely to affect them at all. There would have to be some way that the masses can get back at scammers without giving them something new to exploit, and without giving players too much power. Good luck finding how to accomplish this. |
They have tried to give us a recourse Craven. Medical drug cool downs. Player committee backed, and player committee approved. The only one that tries to defend this piece of crap game change in the forums I have seen is BeerStein. They can not come up with any recourse to deter scamming that can't be used by azz wipes, bullies, and scammers to make the game worse for even more people.
Case in point, and I know of others have been abused by this update just as bad.....Angelsagent. She has incurred the wrath of an azzwipe bully because she criticized a game he owns and oprerates while playing that game. Not here, but in his game that competes with Torn. She has recieved over 500 bounties in the last 5 to 6 weeks, with no end in sight. What does it take to make people see just how ignorant medical cool downs are when there is so much potential for abuse?
The reason scamming, especially faction scamming, should still be illegal, just like phishing scamming is still illegal, Is because there is no reasonably effective recourse for scam victims.
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CravenTHC
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 23:55:43
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By Foggy [939739]
By CravenTHC [1569996]
I don't think so many people would have problems with scammers/scamming if there was a realistic recourse that could be taken. Everybody talks about this being a crime game whenever scamming comes up. Well if that's your argument then feel free to go ahead and steal from a real life crime syndicates armory. They'd hunt you down and kill you, take their stuff back, and then take all of your stuff as well. Unfortunately here in the game there is no way to get your stuff back except through scamming them back, or if by chance they have a change of heart.
Screw making scamming illegal, but give the players a realistic recourse to get back at these pukes. Right now the only thing you can do is bounty/hospitalize them, and we all know how affective that is in deterring them or helping them change their mind. Even if you have friends to back you up and put them in hospital 24/7 it's unlikely to affect them at all. There would have to be some way that the masses can get back at scammers without giving them something new to exploit, and without giving players too much power. Good luck finding how to accomplish this. |
They have tried to give us a recourse Craven. Medical drug cool downs. Player committee backed, and player committee approved. The only one that tries to defend this piece of crap game change in the forums I have seen is BeerStein. They can not come up with any recourse to deter scamming that can't be used by azz wipes, bullies, and scammers to make the game worse for even more people.
Case in point, and I know of others have been abused by this update just as bad.....Angelsagent. She has incurred the wrath of an azzwipe bully because she criticized a game he owns and oprerates while playing that game. Not here, but in his game that competes with Torn. She has recieved over 500 bounties in the last 5 to 6 weeks, with no end in sight. What does it take to make people see just how ignorant medical cool downs are when there is so much potential for abuse?
The reason scamming, especially faction scamming, should still be illegal, just like phishing scamming is still illegal, Is because there is no reasonably effective recourse for scam victims. |
I won't comment on the situation with angel, but I know full well what the problem is. A good friend of mine recently had a run in with that person. Anyhow... I agree that the committee and staff think they have added that feature to help deter scamming, but all it truly does is give more legitimate players a reason to quit the game. How many actual new players do you think joined during the most recent TOTD, and ended up quitting due to being hosped 24/7 because they were zombies? I don't really mind the medical cooldown update, but it doesn't do a damn thing to deter scamming.
However I do think that there are other ways we could go about discouraging scammers that don't involve too much more work for staff. If Ched would recognize a particular anti-scammer forum publicly, and maybe even give them their own forum here on TC to call out the bastards then we might actually see some headway. As another reply to me said we need to start encouraging directors and faction owners to kick/fire scammers when they're outed.
I recent was scammed for a measly 3 million, and when I approched the faction owner to out the person they defended them to a fault. Then they offered to reimburse me. I told him that it's not about the 3 million. It's entirely about the principle of the matter. These folks need to be shunned, not protected. The only way to do so is to band together as a community. Unfortunately I think the scamming culture has penetrated very deep into this game, and on top of that the majority of players only log in for maybe 10 minutes a day on average. It's not as if they're going to spend the time and effort to investigate who's a scammer and who's not, and therein lies the real problem. If we're not willing to ALL push for some kind of action then nothing will get done.
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 00:54:30
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Thanks Craven for replying...
Before scamming became legal over 35,000 players were logging in daily. Rule changes like legalized scamming, that effectively created a class of players that are protected from any real type of "make them Pay" recourse by their victims, and Allows the most devastating type of crime in the game, in terms of lost real dollars and time invested, by players....such as faction theft...to go unpunished, and even protected, has in my mind been a real cause of player attrition. Where are we now...25,000 logging in daily?
Then implementing rule changes that make it beneficial and easier for wealthy players to bully other players out of the game is just stupidity(med cool downs). Think about the example I gave with Angels...she is being bountied out of the game by one of Ched's competitors....whose the moron, half wit, and idiot here ...these are terms I have heard staff use to refer to scam victims in their rationalization and justification for legalizing scamming. Tell me who are the real morons, half wits, and idiots. I am starting to think those that keeps playing this game and thinking(hoping) that things will get better might fit into that group.
Foggy -------------Moron, half wit, and idiot....
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 01:17:32
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Aces-n-Eights is a scammer
He joined my faction and the first thing he asked was to have access to the armoury! Of course i told him be here for 30 days first, then i told him to help us chain, he just left in like an hour into joining us?
also we had a mail from his old faction stating he is a scammer and can be very devious!
be alert guys.
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beaverkiller [1023310] 08/02/13
8:07:53 AM BeaverKiller was given 733 point(s) by BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:07:38 AM BeaverKiller was given $222,889,262 by BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
7:20:10 AM BeaverKiller was given $20,000,000 by BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:26:17 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Kodachi Swords items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:25:46 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's M249 PARA LMG items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:25:16 AM BeaverKiller gave 300 of the faction's Brick items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:24:58 AM BeaverKiller gave 2 of the faction's Shrooms items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:24:46 AM BeaverKiller gave 2 of the faction's Ketamine items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:24:31 AM BeaverKiller gave 73 of the faction's Cannabis items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:24:10 AM BeaverKiller gave 1 of the faction's Bottle of Minty Mayhem items to BeaverKiller.
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8:23:47 AM BeaverKiller gave 1 of the faction's Bottle of Mistletoe Madness items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:23:35 AM BeaverKiller gave 3 of the faction's Bottle of Stinky Swamp Punch items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:23:22 AM BeaverKiller gave 2 of the faction's Bottle of Kandy Kane items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:22:53 AM BeaverKiller gave 27 of the faction's Lollipop items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:22:34 AM BeaverKiller gave 4 of the faction's Bag of Reindeer droppings items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:22:19 AM BeaverKiller gave 9 of the faction's Bag of Candy Kisses items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:22:03 AM BeaverKiller gave 2 of the faction's Bag of Bon Bons items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:21:49 AM BeaverKiller gave 2 of the faction's Bottle of Wicked Witch items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:20:37 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Nunchakas items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:20:25 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's BT MP9 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:20:14 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's BT MP9 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:20:03 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Enfield SA-80 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:19:52 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Enfield SA-80 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:19:42 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Enfield SA-80 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:19:31 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Enfield SA-80 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:19:21 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Enfield SA-80 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:19:07 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Kodachi Swords items to BeaverKiller.
BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Macana items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:18:39 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Nunchakas items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:18:26 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Nunchakas items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:18:09 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Kodachi Swords items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:17:56 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's BT MP9 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:17:44 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's BT MP9 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:17:33 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's BT MP9 items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:13:20 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Minigun items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:13:07 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Minigun items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:12:44 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Jackhammer items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:12:32 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Jackhammer items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:12:20 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Jackhammer items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:11:54 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Liquid Body Armour items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:11:44 AM BeaverKiller gave one of the faction's Liquid Body Armour items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:10:52 AM BeaverKiller retrieved one of the faction's Liquid Body Armour items from AlbertAnistasia.
08/02/13
8:10:34 AM BeaverKiller gave 127 of the faction's First Aid Kit items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:10:17 AM BeaverKiller gave 128 of the faction's Small First Aid Kit items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:10:02 AM BeaverKiller gave 516 of the faction's Morphine items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:09:21 AM BeaverKiller gave 18 of the faction's Ecstasy items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:08:56 AM BeaverKiller gave 101 of the faction's Vicodin items to BeaverKiller.
08/02/13
8:08:34 AM BeaverKiller gave 118 of the faction's Xanax items to BeaverKiller.
this guy got my faction not long ago and he was trusted in the group for 4 years there should be protection for this but i dont think any one will fix it thats the sad part of this game. i am guessing hacking accounts is legal too? just figure it will be next. watch out for this id [1023310]
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Foggy
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 03:06:33
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I feel your pain RUMBLEFISH. Unfortunately staff and others who have referred to victims of scamming as half wits, morons, and idiots, do not sympathize with you. On the contrary, they ridicule you openly. Adding insult to the injuries you and your faction members have incurred.
I remember when I was unable to afford a vault, points were not available to be bought to store spare cash, so we had to use faction banks to store our cash "free" with those we could trust. Our faction, our home, our port in the storm. I am aware we have other options now and the points market has returned, but factions were, and still are trusted places. But dangerously so.
So now, someone you could trust for four years can now steal all that he wants, with out any real repercussions. That sucks....what is happening here?
Torn Staff:
10 administrators
15 Secretaries
18 Moderators
14 helpers
Total Staff: 57
Not one of them can help you with this problem? I mean, other then tell you your a moron, half wit, or idiot? Is it any wonder in the last two years players logging in has has gone from 35,000 to 25,000?
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Foggy
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I think I read earlier in the thread that someone was scammed of 9 billion, and one for 90 billion. I know why they are reluctant to post their losses here, given the ridicule scam victims have been given by staff and players in the past. But I think it would be good info to know. Good for the longevity of the game really, if it is that big of a problem.
What ever happened to them? Does anyone know of other victims of faction scamming, and what became of them? It would be kind of interesting to find out just how prevalent it really is and what has become of the victims? What were the circumstances?
Outing the scammers would be nice too, but beware, certain staff will forum ban you for outing them and they have very liberal views on what is a forum ban type of offense. Trust me on this one.
But then sometimes, it is worth being forum banned for speaking your mind and saying what you feel is the truth, regardless of consequences. Don't hold back.
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CompanyHiring
ID: 266775
Level: 90
Posts: 9621
Score: 2450
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 04:33:43
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By Foggy [939739]
Scamming sucks!
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How ironic...I guess being tight buddies with scammers is perfectly acceptable though right?
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manik
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:24:55
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I've read the stories of those that have been scammed, and in all seriousness I have to ask why would you put someone in a position where they could perperare these acts?
If I was a faction leader or company boss there is NO WAY I'd allow anyone access to a vault. The only people I would are those I know in rl. And I'd put in the armoury what I'd be willing to lose.
Surely common sense MUST come into play?
After all, this is a crime game. And despite my loathing for scamming it's part of it. Legislation against it would be like bubble wrapping those who suffer from the stupidity gene.
That said, I am in agreement that this bs about not being able to name scammers. If you've solid proof, then let's make it a feature! They can't have in both ways. And I don't think tc can't either if it turns players off from playing.
As for the bulling. Not good. There must be a recourse for that and the current system isn't set up to fairly.
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Foggy
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 14:06:50
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By CompanyHiring [266775]
By Foggy [939739]
Scamming sucks!
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How ironic...I guess being tight buddies with scammers is perfectly acceptable though right? |
I think your anal necklace has stifled your cerebral blood flow Nas. Add that to the the blood flow diversion you get when believing some split tails stories and you really are brain blood flow deficient.
What have you done to try and make the game better for all Nas?....Troll the forums and make snide remarks hardly counts as a game improvement.
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Spurtung
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 17:14:59
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By manik [1554958]
As for the bulling. Not good. There must be a recourse for that and the current system isn't set up to fairly. |
there is such a thing called player harassment
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