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Butters
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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:26:11
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By JustJanet [911066]
lol! It's so much easier to just claim you didn't read it than to come up with anything clever to say. I have a 2 year old nephew who does something similar when he doesn't want to hear something. Just cover those ears up and it didn't really happen!
I didn't realize I was being graded on my writing Vixen. I'll try to remember to consult my MLA handbook next time I write a dissertation here. |
I think it's about time you stopped acting like a jackass and started acting like a grown woman - at last on this point anyway... |
Wow, don't you think jackass is really harsh? I don't think anything she has said is flame worthy, even to some one that that might not share her opinion. |
Are you seriously trying to lecture others on "flaming" in a forum... 
Not that what I said above was really a flame in any way - that closing remark in the quoted post that I was referring to definitely had a bit of a less-than-mature element about it. There was nothing wrong with the original all opinion at all, but when you start off trying to play the maturity card and then proceed to take the low road when people disagree with you then the original message ends up being kind of lost on people.
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Butters
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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:31:01
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By Lithany [1615093]
Im pretty sure many people would forfeit their claim to reimbursement, assuming the scammer is somehow punished for the act alone.
Technically it would be a step up from completely ignoring it now anyway, and the possibility of punishment could ward of at least some. |
I'm pretty sure you'd be 100% wrong there - especially where the value of the scammed items / cash is not a trivial amount.
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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:00:20
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The Chinese people says "Don't give CO/FO to people you don't know".
Let keep alive this worthless thread.
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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:23:04
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By Butters [34298]
By Lithany [1615093]
Im pretty sure many people would forfeit their claim to reimbursement, assuming the scammer is somehow punished for the act alone.
Technically it would be a step up from completely ignoring it now anyway, and the possibility of punishment could ward of at least some. |
I'm pretty sure you'd be 100% wrong there - especially where the value of the scammed items / cash is not a trivial amount.
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That is so illogical it may just as good be true.
Oh well.
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Butters
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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:43:05
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I was referring to the idea that a player who has been scammed would be wanting their stuff returned first and foremost. and almost certainly wouldn't just be happy with the scammer being put in fed there.
The good of the one (ie. getting your stuff back) will pretty much always outweigh the good of the many (ie. the scammer being fedded but not getting your stuff back) in the eyes of your average rank and file scamming victim(s).
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V1X3N
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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 13:42:25
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By EmperorGarm [1682299]
Story time...
I like the fact that there are scammers and I don't want to see it go away. Is it annoying? Maybe to some. It's a nice addition to the trades that I haven't seen in other games and since this is a crime based game, it's nice to see crimes being committed from player-to-player and watching how they respond and learning to protect myself from deceptions. It's well placed. Bringing up scamming Ched in RL is a foolish comparison since this is a game and RL is not. Comparing the two is silly.
I was scammed by Smart-Boy when I first joined Torn when I was brand new (only four months now). He said that if I joined his faction, he would pay me for attacks. Well, it didn't take long for this lie to be exposed and I left. Ever since then, I've been a thorn in his side, warning his faction members of his deceit, selling "Smart-Boy is a scammer" signatures on the Trade chat whenever he shows his head and other ways to combat his schemes. It wont end his behavior, but it makes a dent. This is fun for me!
Furthermore, while selling this sig one day, a player I had a rocky relationship with when I first joined saw me and started a chat. I explained what had happened with Smart-Boy and while I battling back (which is fun for me). He said that he would try to scam him back, which sounded like good fun. A bit into his scam, which he explained is that he would try to steal his company/faction somehow, he said that he needed more money in order to make the trade seem more believable and asked me to send him a lot of the money I had on me, which he would, of course, send back. I didn't go for it and unsurprisingly, he left the conversation shortly thereafter when his scam attempt "failed" and haven't heard from him since.
Scamming players in a game about crime is perfect. I'm not trading gumdrops for a calling card made of candy with Licorice Larry with children. Those who were scammed hate admitting it and I think that one reason some players want it to be criminalized again is to have a way to protect themselves from their own stupidity. If that seems mildly insulting, it's intended to be.
In a game where you commit acts of theft, murder, arson, fraud, counterfeiting, selling and using drugs, grand theft auto, gang warfare, using bombs, gambling and making computer viruses... somehow they think their collection of digital money and the pictures of items should somehow be protected from other players. What a wonderful world of delusions to wander around in. The rest of us will make sure that if I'm trading 5,000 bricks at 825 each that the other player actually adds $4,125,000 before accepting and not taking them on their word. I'm also going to be exceptionally wary of anyone we don't know well asking for money for any reason for any length of time.
People, you are the only person responsible for your own well being. No permanent harm can come to you as you don't die and cannot be permanently maimed. Items and money lost can be regained. The only thing that cannot be regaining is the dignity lost due to your own erroneous judgement. Learn from your mistakes and grow up. There are plenty of cooperative areas in this game, but you only have to navigate around the occasional jerk who wants to take your stuff. Find the fun in that and you discover one of the best parts of this game.
I am a non-scamming player and I approve of this message.
(and Janet, I'm glad he mentioned you needing paragraph breaks as it's making your writing easier to read, for what it's worth) |
This pretty much sums up how I feel about scamming perfectly. I think it actually adds another element to the game that you have to be conscious of. I was scammed as well when I was first starting, and it causes you to wake up and pay attention more.
As far as the 'real money being stolen' aspect (at least in Dubz's case). This was caused by very poor judgement by the faction leaders (which I think Dubz will agree with me on). I have no clue if any money that he stole was created in game by a real cash purchase or not. If it was, however, I think it would be foolish to put this money into a community bank account, which is what this faction had; a lot of members who had access to all of the cash, all of the time. I would never, even after years of talking to someone online, get a joint bank account with this person, no matter how much I 'trusted' them.
I understand the need to stash money away, but it would be much safer to take a bit of a loss and deposit your money in either your own company, or in the Cayman's. I guess the moral would be, 'only put money in a public access place, if you are willing to lose it.'
In reply to people judging other people on their 'character' in the game:
This game is a MMORPG (or 'massively multiplayer online role-playing game'). One of the great things about a 'role playing' game, is you can create a character who is different from you in real life. A lot of online gamers are much more aggressive when on the internet than in real life (which is a entirely other discussion). Some of the nicest people in real life have said things they should not have while online. Just because someone is playing the 'role' of a certain character in game, does not mean they are that way in real life. I guess a perfect example of this would be males playing as females in game to gain an advantage. I doubt the majority of them would dress in drag and try to convince someone they are an attractive woman to gain an advantage in real life. 
Taken from Torn homepage.
People should not be judged for playing the game their way. As long as it is within the perimeters of the rules. Whether scamming should be legal or not is a moot point. At this moment, scamming is legal, and is a perfectly legitimate method to playing the game.
Sorry for the long read!
Edit: Fixed a poorly worded sentence.
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Posted on Fri Mar 01, 2013 03:40:04
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By Butters [34298]
By CompanyHiring [266775]
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By JustJanet [911066]
lol! It's so much easier to just claim you didn't read it than to come up with anything clever to say. I have a 2 year old nephew who does something similar when he doesn't want to hear something. Just cover those ears up and it didn't really happen!
I didn't realize I was being graded on my writing Vixen. I'll try to remember to consult my MLA handbook next time I write a dissertation here. |
I think it's about time you stopped acting like a jackass and started acting like a grown woman - at last on this point anyway... |
Wow, don't you think jackass is really harsh? I don't think anything she has said is flame worthy, even to some one that that might not share her opinion. |
Are you seriously trying to lecture others on "flaming" in a forum...
Not that what I said above was really a flame in any way - that closing remark in the quoted post that I was referring to definitely had a bit of a less-than-mature element about it. There was nothing wrong with the original all opinion at all, but when you start off trying to play the maturity card and then proceed to take the low road when people disagree with you then the original message ends up being kind of lost on people. |
Yeah I am but it's a question not a lecture. When have you ever seen me flame some one that wasn't a scammer, a notorious forum troll or a crap staff member.
I saw where you were going with it I just thought jackass was strong. Perhaps she thought she might have had to go down to his level to get the point across. Who knows...
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Dubz
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Posted on Sat Mar 02, 2013 08:12:30
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But isn't going down to my level the same as me?
Bump, Rate+
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Posted on Sun Mar 03, 2013 20:44:47
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By Butters [34298]
By CompanyHiring [266775]
By Butters [34298]
By JustJanet [911066]
lol! It's so much easier to just claim you didn't read it than to come up with anything clever to say. I have a 2 year old nephew who does something similar when he doesn't want to hear something. Just cover those ears up and it didn't really happen!
I didn't realize I was being graded on my writing Vixen. I'll try to remember to consult my MLA handbook next time I write a dissertation here. |
I think it's about time you stopped acting like a jackass and started acting like a grown woman - at last on this point anyway... |
Wow, don't you think jackass is really harsh? I don't think anything she has said is flame worthy, even to some one that that might not share her opinion. |
Are you seriously trying to lecture others on "flaming" in a forum...
Not that what I said above was really a flame in any way - that closing remark in the quoted post that I was referring to definitely had a bit of a less-than-mature element about it. There was nothing wrong with the original all opinion at all, but when you start off trying to play the maturity card and then proceed to take the low road when people disagree with you then the original message ends up being kind of lost on people. |
Butters I think you missed the point. He said he didn't read it... I didn't believe him. I think he just didn't have anything to comeback with because I had valid points. I wasn't being immature at all.. if a person can't handle a debate the choice is to just stop not to then pretend like you aren't listening anymore. Apparently he is because he is still responding to the thread. By his own admission he is a liar so there is no reason for me to take anything he says as truth.
I did not go down to his level by what I said. All of what I said was truth.
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HOLYTOLEDO
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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 01:12:18
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By Sweeney_Todd [27468]
Simple solution, don't give strangers keys to the safe on the first day...
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More of a simple solution, Ban Faction scamming. It's hard to manage the general scammer but very easy to put a choke hold on the faction end of things and if you say that you don't agree then ur a moron.
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EmperorGarm
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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 01:19:51
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By HOLYTOLEDO [1290517]
By Sweeney_Todd [27468]
Simple solution, don't give strangers keys to the safe on the first day...
Next! |
More of a simple solution, Ban Faction scamming. It's hard to manage the general scammer but very easy to put a choke hold on the faction end of things and if you say that you don't agree then ur a moron.
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Call me a moron then since I wholeheartedly agree with Sweeney_Todd.
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DarthBrogo
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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 01:30:49
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Upon reflection: no protection other than that provided as is:
-vault
-Caymans ( so under-rated, at 3% a steal compared to real world costs for a bit of laundering )
-limited bank
-conversion into goods. ( That's RIGHT! They cannot steal your morphies! )
The idea of this game is that only the sharpest do well.
Let the 99% eat cake - if they can obtain it. It makes a nice change from the usual Apostolic Succession of buffed-up xanax-poppers.
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Because Darth Vader was a pansy!
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power.
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Skulls
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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 03:02:42
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mug=faction theft
theft is still theft, no matter how many times you slice it.
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Dubz
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 03:51:23
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Am I a thief or a scammer?
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Tanix
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 03:59:19
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Staff edit
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Dubz
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 05:59:06
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That's*
Learn proper grammar at least.
Hey Tanix you still on my jock I see.
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Skulls
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 06:05:29
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Without a "bad" guy in a game, there would be no drama. And the game would get less exciting. I provide a valuable service whether you like it or not.
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 06:08:27
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Your not funney Dubz and you never will be so just stay out of this for good,and it's not the game that makes the game what it is it's the people so be it if your going to blame someone blame yourself your the problem no one else.
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Tanix
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 06:34:55
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Staff edit
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DarthBrogo
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 06:34:57
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By Infamous [1538618]
Without a "bad" guy in a game, there would be no drama. And the game would get less exciting. I provide a valuable service whether you like it or not. |
Perhapssss add some extra sssssss and ssssay Gollum from time to time, preciousssssss?
I agree that you are mostly a provider of a good deal of funny melodramatics.
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Because Darth Vader was a pansy!
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain |
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 06:46:35
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By DarthBrogo [21801]
By Infamous [1538618]
Without a "bad" guy in a game, there would be no drama. And the game would get less exciting. I provide a valuable service whether you like it or not. |
Perhapssss add some extra sssssss and ssssay Gollum from time to time, preciousssssss?
I agree that you are mostly a provider of a good deal of funny melodramatics. |
You are welcome.
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tomahawkman
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 07:58:23
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i agree he can only pick on stuff that is so little and yet cannot get that right so sad....
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:25:26
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By Infamous [1538618]
Without a "bad" guy in a game, there would be no drama. And the game would get less exciting. I provide a valuable service whether you like it or not. |
Funny you should put it that way considering we all do crimes with our characters and scamming is fully "legal".
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 13:14:22
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By HOLYTOLEDO [1290517]
By Sweeney_Todd [27468]
Simple solution, don't give strangers keys to the safe on the first day...
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More of a simple solution, Ban Faction scamming. It's hard to manage the general scammer but very easy to put a choke hold on the faction end of things and if you say that you don't agree then ur a moron.
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By making that moron statement you kinda state you're either not able or refusing to see any other pont of views or angles then that one single minded view you have, what kinda makes you what you're accusing others to be.
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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 13:37:53
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By V1X3N [1669002]
By EmperorGarm [1682299]
Story time...
I like the fact that there are scammers and I don't want to see it go away. Is it annoying? Maybe to some. It's a nice addition to the trades that I haven't seen in other games and since this is a crime based game, it's nice to see crimes being committed from player-to-player and watching how they respond and learning to protect myself from deceptions. It's well placed. Bringing up scamming Ched in RL is a foolish comparison since this is a game and RL is not. Comparing the two is silly.
I was scammed by Smart-Boy when I first joined Torn when I was brand new (only four months now). He said that if I joined his faction, he would pay me for attacks. Well, it didn't take long for this lie to be exposed and I left. Ever since then, I've been a thorn in his side, warning his faction members of his deceit, selling "Smart-Boy is a scammer" signatures on the Trade chat whenever he shows his head and other ways to combat his schemes. It wont end his behavior, but it makes a dent. This is fun for me!
Furthermore, while selling this sig one day, a player I had a rocky relationship with when I first joined saw me and started a chat. I explained what had happened with Smart-Boy and while I battling back (which is fun for me). He said that he would try to scam him back, which sounded like good fun. A bit into his scam, which he explained is that he would try to steal his company/faction somehow, he said that he needed more money in order to make the trade seem more believable and asked me to send him a lot of the money I had on me, which he would, of course, send back. I didn't go for it and unsurprisingly, he left the conversation shortly thereafter when his scam attempt "failed" and haven't heard from him since.
Scamming players in a game about crime is perfect. I'm not trading gumdrops for a calling card made of candy with Licorice Larry with children. Those who were scammed hate admitting it and I think that one reason some players want it to be criminalized again is to have a way to protect themselves from their own stupidity. If that seems mildly insulting, it's intended to be.
In a game where you commit acts of theft, murder, arson, fraud, counterfeiting, selling and using drugs, grand theft auto, gang warfare, using bombs, gambling and making computer viruses... somehow they think their collection of digital money and the pictures of items should somehow be protected from other players. What a wonderful world of delusions to wander around in. The rest of us will make sure that if I'm trading 5,000 bricks at 825 each that the other player actually adds $4,125,000 before accepting and not taking them on their word. I'm also going to be exceptionally wary of anyone we don't know well asking for money for any reason for any length of time.
People, you are the only person responsible for your own well being. No permanent harm can come to you as you don't die and cannot be permanently maimed. Items and money lost can be regained. The only thing that cannot be regaining is the dignity lost due to your own erroneous judgement. Learn from your mistakes and grow up. There are plenty of cooperative areas in this game, but you only have to navigate around the occasional jerk who wants to take your stuff. Find the fun in that and you discover one of the best parts of this game.
I am a non-scamming player and I approve of this message.
(and Janet, I'm glad he mentioned you needing paragraph breaks as it's making your writing easier to read, for what it's worth) |
This pretty much sums up how I feel about scamming perfectly. I think it actually adds another element to the game that you have to be conscious of. I was scammed as well when I was first starting, and it causes you to wake up and pay attention more.
As far as the 'real money being stolen' aspect (at least in Dubz's case). This was caused by very poor judgement by the faction leaders (which I think Dubz will agree with me on). I have no clue if any money that he stole was created in game by a real cash purchase or not. If it was, however, I think it would be foolish to put this money into a community bank account, which is what this faction had; a lot of members who had access to all of the cash, all of the time. I would never, even after years of talking to someone online, get a joint bank account with this person, no matter how much I 'trusted' them.
I understand the need to stash money away, but it would be much safer to take a bit of a loss and deposit your money in either your own company, or in the Cayman's. I guess the moral would be, 'only put money in a public access place, if you are willing to lose it.'
In reply to people judging other people on their 'character' in the game:
This game is a MMORPG (or 'massively multiplayer online role-playing game'). One of the great things about a 'role playing' game, is you can create a character who is different from you in real life. A lot of online gamers are much more aggressive when on the internet than in real life (which is a entirely other discussion). Some of the nicest people in real life have said things they should not have while online. Just because someone is playing the 'role' of a certain character in game, does not mean they are that way in real life. I guess a perfect example of this would be males playing as females in game to gain an advantage. I doubt the majority of them would dress in drag and try to convince someone they are an attractive woman to gain an advantage in real life.
Taken from Torn homepage.
People should not be judged for playing the game their way. As long as it is within the perimeters of the rules. Whether scamming should be legal or not is a moot point. At this moment, scamming is legal, and is a perfectly legitimate method to playing the game.
Sorry for the long read!
Edit: Fixed a poorly worded sentence. |
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Dubz
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By carsacade [1619398]
By V1X3N [1669002]
By EmperorGarm [1682299]
Story time...
I like the fact that there are scammers and I don't want to see it go away. Is it annoying? Maybe to some. It's a nice addition to the trades that I haven't seen in other games and since this is a crime based game, it's nice to see crimes being committed from player-to-player and watching how they respond and learning to protect myself from deceptions. It's well placed. Bringing up scamming Ched in RL is a foolish comparison since this is a game and RL is not. Comparing the two is silly.
I was scammed by Smart-Boy when I first joined Torn when I was brand new (only four months now). He said that if I joined his faction, he would pay me for attacks. Well, it didn't take long for this lie to be exposed and I left. Ever since then, I've been a thorn in his side, warning his faction members of his deceit, selling "Smart-Boy is a scammer" signatures on the Trade chat whenever he shows his head and other ways to combat his schemes. It wont end his behavior, but it makes a dent. This is fun for me!
Furthermore, while selling this sig one day, a player I had a rocky relationship with when I first joined saw me and started a chat. I explained what had happened with Smart-Boy and while I battling back (which is fun for me). He said that he would try to scam him back, which sounded like good fun. A bit into his scam, which he explained is that he would try to steal his company/faction somehow, he said that he needed more money in order to make the trade seem more believable and asked me to send him a lot of the money I had on me, which he would, of course, send back. I didn't go for it and unsurprisingly, he left the conversation shortly thereafter when his scam attempt "failed" and haven't heard from him since.
Scamming players in a game about crime is perfect. I'm not trading gumdrops for a calling card made of candy with Licorice Larry with children. Those who were scammed hate admitting it and I think that one reason some players want it to be criminalized again is to have a way to protect themselves from their own stupidity. If that seems mildly insulting, it's intended to be.
In a game where you commit acts of theft, murder, arson, fraud, counterfeiting, selling and using drugs, grand theft auto, gang warfare, using bombs, gambling and making computer viruses... somehow they think their collection of digital money and the pictures of items should somehow be protected from other players. What a wonderful world of delusions to wander around in. The rest of us will make sure that if I'm trading 5,000 bricks at 825 each that the other player actually adds $4,125,000 before accepting and not taking them on their word. I'm also going to be exceptionally wary of anyone we don't know well asking for money for any reason for any length of time.
People, you are the only person responsible for your own well being. No permanent harm can come to you as you don't die and cannot be permanently maimed. Items and money lost can be regained. The only thing that cannot be regaining is the dignity lost due to your own erroneous judgement. Learn from your mistakes and grow up. There are plenty of cooperative areas in this game, but you only have to navigate around the occasional jerk who wants to take your stuff. Find the fun in that and you discover one of the best parts of this game.
I am a non-scamming player and I approve of this message.
(and Janet, I'm glad he mentioned you needing paragraph breaks as it's making your writing easier to read, for what it's worth) |
This pretty much sums up how I feel about scamming perfectly. I think it actually adds another element to the game that you have to be conscious of. I was scammed as well when I was first starting, and it causes you to wake up and pay attention more.
As far as the 'real money being stolen' aspect (at least in Dubz's case). This was caused by very poor judgement by the faction leaders (which I think Dubz will agree with me on). I have no clue if any money that he stole was created in game by a real cash purchase or not. If it was, however, I think it would be foolish to put this money into a community bank account, which is what this faction had; a lot of members who had access to all of the cash, all of the time. I would never, even after years of talking to someone online, get a joint bank account with this person, no matter how much I 'trusted' them.
I understand the need to stash money away, but it would be much safer to take a bit of a loss and deposit your money in either your own company, or in the Cayman's. I guess the moral would be, 'only put money in a public access place, if you are willing to lose it.'
In reply to people judging other people on their 'character' in the game:
This game is a MMORPG (or 'massively multiplayer online role-playing game'). One of the great things about a 'role playing' game, is you can create a character who is different from you in real life. A lot of online gamers are much more aggressive when on the internet than in real life (which is a entirely other discussion). Some of the nicest people in real life have said things they should not have while online. Just because someone is playing the 'role' of a certain character in game, does not mean they are that way in real life. I guess a perfect example of this would be males playing as females in game to gain an advantage. I doubt the majority of them would dress in drag and try to convince someone they are an attractive woman to gain an advantage in real life.
Taken from Torn homepage.
People should not be judged for playing the game their way. As long as it is within the perimeters of the rules. Whether scamming should be legal or not is a moot point. At this moment, scamming is legal, and is a perfectly legitimate method to playing the game.
Sorry for the long read!
Edit: Fixed a poorly worded sentence. |
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Agreed.
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CaptainAmerica
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Posted on Fri Mar 08, 2013 16:20:58
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By HOLYTOLEDO [1290517]
By Sweeney_Todd [27468]
Simple solution, don't give strangers keys to the safe on the first day...
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More of a simple solution, Ban Faction scamming. It's hard to manage the general scammer but very easy to put a choke hold on the faction end of things and if you say that you don't agree then ur a moron.
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lolz. If I apply to your faction can I be your co-leader HOLYTOLEDO?
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SuperZoot
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Posted on Mon May 27, 2013 19:24:29
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ohhhh so thats what you do misses torn you scam people just because you done to to me your a funny guy mate
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TheDarkLegacy
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Posted on Mon May 27, 2013 19:46:27
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It's funny because the creator of this thread is a faction scammer...
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Posted on Mon May 27, 2013 21:00:55
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By V1X3N [1669002]
People should not be judged for playing the game their way. As long as it is within the perimeters of the rules. Whether scamming should be legal or not is a moot point. At this moment, scamming is legal, and is a perfectly legitimate method to playing the game. |
I have neither the time or energy to get into the heart of this discussion, but this in particular made me hesitate. Scamming was illegal at one point, and there are perfectly legitimate arguments on both sides. Most of us that disagree with scamming agree that if faction scamming were somehow fixed it would do a great deal to protect otherwise ignorant players. Saying the argument is moot is almost as bad as HOLYTOLEDO declaring that anybody that doesn't agree with him is an idiot. Both sides should at least be open to hearing the other side of the argument.
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