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Thread created on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:38:51
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Ever since players have been given the ability to leave a faction after 0 days in it, faction scamming has gotten worse. People join factions and ask to be co-leader and then take everything in the faction, leave, and move on to a new faction. When it used to be you had to stay in a faction for at least 7 days, this wasn't as bad because a potential scammer knew that they'd have to wait a week before scamming another faction, so they realized it wasn't even worth scamming one. Plus, if you were unsuccessful in the scamming back then, you had to wait 7 days before you could leave and you got nothing. Nowadays if someone is unsuccessful in scamming, they can just leave the faction and move on to a new one. I think that 7 days was too long to wait to leave a faction, especially if you didn't like it, but 0 days is just as bad with all the scamming. They should make it something like 3 days so not as many scammers can just join, become co-leader, take everything, and leave. And even if you find that you don't like the faction, waiting 3 days to be able to leave it really isn't all that bad. What do you guys think about this?

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Navin

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:40:56
Anybody who would make a 0 day in faction co-leader deserves whatever happens

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:40:58
Simple solution, don't give strangers keys to the safe on the first day...

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:41:18
Don't make someone co-leader you don't trust.

The end.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:41:40
Don't make people you don't know and trust co-leader. Problem solved.



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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:45:11
lol owned

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:48:25
You realize, whether they stick around for a week or a day, if you give them co-leader and their only intention is to take whatever you have...they're going to do it regardless? Moral of the story is...don't give someone you don't trust access to the faction. You deserve what you got and hopefully you'll learn and move on for next time.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:49:56
Make meyour co-leader, problem solved

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:51:48
On a side note, totally gonna scam 2.0 when nota gives me access.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 20:01:23
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On a side note, totally gonna scam 2.0 when nota gives me access.


Like there's anything in that vault..





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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 20:24:29
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By xlordx [1480425]
On a side note, totally gonna scam 2.0 when nota gives me access.


Like there's anything in that vault..



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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 20:40:51
if you gave them co-leader position from day 0 then you are a stupid and you deserve what happens to you if you got scammed.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 21:30:32
Why give anyone access to any part of the faction's goods without a proven loyalty. Although there have been many times when a trusted faction member has scammed very experienced faction leaders well after 7 days, maybe into the hundreds or more. It's just part of the game.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 22:01:57
I doubt this will be mentioned by anyone else, so ill say it.

Dont give someone access that you dont know or trust

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 23:09:56
Who in the name of god gives co-leadership to a 0 day member unless they trust them. Noob. Deserves what they get in my opinion.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 23:29:49
I can "deal with" scamming in general being legal, but I never agreed with faction scamming being legal.

My worthless opinion.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 23:38:02
In all honesty though, what does them leaving early change?

If anything it's a good thing right? Surely you'd want to be kicking them out if they scammed you and then stuck around?

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 23:50:23
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Anybody who would make a 0 day in faction co-leader deserves whatever happens


Uh, absolutely.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 00:55:19
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Ever since players have been given the ability to leave a faction after 0 days in it, faction scamming has gotten worse.


I think it's dumbass leaders' fault.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 00:57:26
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Anybody who would make a 0 day in faction co-leader deserves whatever happens




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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 01:24:31
well i belive all the above comment would slove this problen

Dont give access to people u dont know and/or trust

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:19:12
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well i belive all the above comment would slove this problen

Dont give access to people u dont know and/or trust


Of course that solves the problem.

Scamming was more so or less made legal to reduce staff's case load (IMO, not fact), but faction scamming shouldn't be allowed.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 05:43:18
I'm really on the fence about this. The "moral highground" is to ban faction scamming but ultimately this is a crime game. I'd think there should be limits that any one member could scam off their faction but that'd require a bit of a revamp and probably isn't the best use of staff members time.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 06:12:59
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I'm really on the fence about this. The "moral highground" is to ban faction scamming but ultimately this is a crime game. I'd think there should be limits that any one member could scam off their faction but that'd require a bit of a revamp and probably isn't the best use of staff members time.



This used to be a crime game - now the only crimes left seems to be scamming ... it is now officially a scamming game

btw, on a sidenote - what year was scamming legalised? anyone remember off the top of their heads?


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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 08:27:16
Here is an idea, when someone says "Can I be co-leader?" before even applying... say no.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:20:07
By Mr_Torn99 [1660408]
1) Ever since players have been given the ability to leave a faction after 0 days in it, faction scamming has gotten worse. People join factions and ask to be co-leader and then take everything in the faction, leave, and move on to a new faction. 2 When it used to be you had to stay in a faction for at least 7 days, this wasn't as bad because a potential scammer knew that they'd have to wait a week before scamming another faction, so they realized it wasn't even worth scamming one. Plus, if you were unsuccessful in the scamming back then, you had to wait 7 days before you could leave and you got nothing. Nowadays if someone is unsuccessful in scamming, they can just leave the faction and move on to a new one. I think that 7 days was too long to wait to leave a faction, especially if you didn't like it, but 0 days is just as bad with all the scamming. They should make it something like 3 days so not as many scammers can just join, become co-leader, take everything, and leave. And even if you find that you don't like the faction, waiting 3 days to be able to leave it really isn't all that bad. What do you guys think about this?


1 - Who the hell would make a zero day member (or even many more days than that without proven loyalty, etc.) co-leader in the first place besides a complete idiot?

2 - Still even then? ^^

Point is, if you're dumb enough to just let somebody waltz in (whether 0 day or 7 days) and become co-leader, you're a f**king idiot and deserve what you get.

Common sense ain't so common, now is it?

Stupid ass thread.

Last Edited: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:21:57
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 15:07:31
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Anybody who would make a 0 day in faction co-leader deserves whatever happens




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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 15:30:19
I find threads like this question my whole idea and sense of reality. By that I mean - "Are these people for real?"

It begs the question - Are scammers getting more clever or the scammed more stupid?

And on reading threads like this, I think we all know the answer to that one...

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 16:50:30
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I find threads like this question my whole idea and sense of reality. By that I mean - "Are these people for real?"

It begs the question - Are scammers getting more clever or the scammed more stupid?

And on reading threads like this, I think we all know the answer to that one...


Agreed.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 18:41:44
I think it was 3-4 years ago with faction scamming to be added maybe a year or so later (if I remember right) with huge fall out as a direct result of it being legalized. I hope someone else has a better idea than I so as I could very well be wildly off base.

And generally speaking the people are getting more stupid and some (Few) of the scammers are getting more clever.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 19:03:36
After reading some of OPs previous posts the phrase 'what goes around comes around' springs to mind.

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