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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 22:56:45
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Kyle was right to be banned. He was WAY out of line. Loud, disrespectful and cocky. As soon as I saw what he posted I knew he was a gonna.
This is not the reason the Torn population has become stagnant; Mr Chedburn can thank the major increase in popularity of Facebook and Twitter for this.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 22:58:44
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By Evil-Duck [1182047]
Kyle was right to be banned. He was WAY out of line. Loud, disrespectful and cocky. As soon as I saw what he posted I knew he was a gonna.
This is not the reason the Torn population has become stagnant; Mr Chedburn can thank the major increase in popularity of Facebook and Twitter for this.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 23:32:51
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By Evil-Duck [1182047]
Kyle was right to be banned. He was WAY out of line. Loud, disrespectful and cocky. As soon as I saw what he posted I knew he was a gonna.
This is not the reason the Torn population has become stagnant; Mr Chedburn can thank the major increase in popularity of Facebook and Twitter for this.
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A simple forum ban would have been sufficient.
Even a permanent forum ban would have been better.
A complete deletion was a tad bit over reacting. It was clear that he touched one of Cheds nerves.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 23:40:22
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i think you will find 2 reasons why ched wont at this stage in the game no point in getting new people in cause they will quit faster
and second reason he will advertise when he either starts a 2.0 version of this game once he fixes all the f**k ups or when he decides that he screwed up this version to much and resets it will make a killing from that
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 00:01:18
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very valid point
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 00:01:41
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When the stat counter first went up to the main page, there seemed (to me) to be about 24.5k every day, and now it's average about 25k. It's been around this number for years. As long as it's stable, I'm happy. Yeah the more the merrier, but we'll see what happens with torn 2.0 when it comes out.
I've played other browser games over the past 15 years. They all rise in players, then die out due to neglect and mishandlings. The fact that torn has kept up it's daily users is very impressive.
Just like any other game or real life situation, be it government, workplace, friends, not everything may seem "just" but is usually for the greater good.
Having played in the world wars with Kyle, I can tell he truly cared a lot about the game. Though, he complained nonstop about every little thing. It's hard for me to enjoy participating in an event, be it in real life or torn, when someone is constantly crying and being a cynical jackass about pretty much everything. Life isn't perfect, and if you think it is, then you'll have a massive daily headache. It's not that hard to stop participating in something you hate with so much passion. Spend time with something else. Time is priceless. You can spend money poorly but still make it back, but once you've spent time poorly you'll never get a refund. If playing torn doesn't make sense, no one is forcing anyone to keep playing it.
And with that being said, I'm glad we've still got 25k daily players!
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 00:09:12
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I think Consistency would help. Especially in the warring area. I have no idea what the answer is for fixing it. I won't pretend that I do.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 01:01:19
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one of the main problems with torn is that it requires a lot of time, most people don't have all day to play torn.
another problem is that its a texted based rpg game--very dated.
it has its current member base, some newbies will join and some old players will quit, that's how it remains level.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 02:10:29
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So why does it not fall? The answer is the same... |
surely with the referral's and advertising, the game should be getting bigger a lot faster and not idling at 25k. |
advertising? Ive never seen an advertisement for torn that wasnt posted by torn. The real problem is the lack of monetization by the site. I give ched credit though, it takes a lot of will power to not monetize torn via advertisements, but if he wants to see real expansion he should consider it. The funds from advertising revenue(on torn itself) would help pay for real advertisements on google and other media.
Things will remain stagnant until real advertising occurs. |
^this.
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Well part of the problem is the older players honestly. Some players tend to piss off Chedburn, they have valid points, though they say it in a way they should not. Of course, Chedburn in turn, shouldn't lash out in anger as it would be better to show a more businesslike appearance. A simple forum ban would have been enough to prove he was angered in that incident. Perhaps his greatest weakness is his apparent inability to take criticism. Of course, that would be natural though given his age and the fact he has established himself quite a business. It'd be like how dare some random person challenge my ability to do something that makes me a lot of money.
I'd say his number one issue would be really feeling what most of torn has to say about him and how they feel about torn. I know for one I've played a lot though my time online has declined because of business. For every single thing that he has done that I have not liked or aware of, I at least understood what he was trying to do. I know personally I like the game and think there could be room for improvement but it starts with the source.
He has to work with us, the players who make it rough on new players to get a foothold in the game. I warn new players I stumble upon to be very weary of the forums because it would make or break the game. So in a sense, I believe we, the players, are a part of the source of the problem. We may not be the whole part, Chedburn is still young he needs to learn to curb his anger or at least see the point when people belittle him publicly-- there is no real place to just straight up talk to him. Imagine how many e-mails/ in game messages he must get even if 1% of the people send him a message each day. That is a ton of mails to read and respond to. The only real way (barring of course reading all his mails) for him to tell is to literally sift hours through the forums to get a real feel to get an overall picture.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 06:00:20
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 06:05:46
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By Evil-Duck [1182047]
Kyle was right to be banned. He was WAY out of line. Loud, disrespectful and cocky. As soon as I saw what he posted I knew he was a gonna. |
You're a complete idiot and this post did nothing but reinforce the obvious.
The reason you "knew he was a gonna" was because you understand how this place is ran. Say something that's 'out of line' and you'll be silenced.
Him posting his opinion on a forum (which is kind of the point of forums), is no reason to be fedded.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 06:11:15
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By DocHoliday [1015507]
I think Consistency would help. Especially in the warring area. I have no idea what the answer is for fixing it. I won't pretend that I do. |
I agree. Consistency would most certainly help, as long as the consistency was positive. When players become accustomed to 'fixes' and/or 'updates' that equate to band-aids and duct tape, they of course will become cynical and always expect the worst. In return, that leaves little to no reason to suggest or encourage a friend to join such a game.
I also don't know what the answer is to fixing the warring system either, but I can tell you this with absolute certainty - the change that was made is not it. Perhaps, extending it to 48 hours could possibly work (since some people have lives).
I'd much rather updates take longer and be done right and well thought out than for them to be half assed fixes just to pretend like they're doing something in a timely fashion.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 07:32:04
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By Rino_007 [344056]
Well part of the problem is the older players honestly. Some players tend to piss off Chedburn, they have valid points, though they say it in a way they should not. Of course, Chedburn in turn, shouldn't lash out in anger as it would be better to show a more businesslike appearance. A simple forum ban would have been enough to prove he was angered in that incident. Perhaps his greatest weakness is his apparent inability to take criticism. Of course, that would be natural though given his age and the fact he has established himself quite a business. It'd be like how dare some random person challenge my ability to do something that makes me a lot of money.
I'd say his number one issue would be really feeling what most of torn has to say about him and how they feel about torn. I know for one I've played a lot though my time online has declined because of business. For every single thing that he has done that I have not liked or aware of, I at least understood what he was trying to do. I know personally I like the game and think there could be room for improvement but it starts with the source.
He has to work with us, the players who make it rough on new players to get a foothold in the game. I warn new players I stumble upon to be very weary of the forums because it would make or break the game. So in a sense, I believe we, the players, are a part of the source of the problem. We may not be the whole part, Chedburn is still young he needs to learn to curb his anger or at least see the point when people belittle him publicly-- there is no real place to just straight up talk to him. Imagine how many e-mails/ in game messages he must get even if 1% of the people send him a message each day. That is a ton of mails to read and respond to. The only real way (barring of course reading all his mails) for him to tell is to literally sift hours through the forums to get a real feel to get an overall picture. |
Well tbh I still remember when Mr Chedburn would would actually become a part of GD threads...and like it or not, agree with me or not...people loved it, and abused it. I remember the day he said he would no longer post in GD, or any forum other than bugs & issues from the bashing he got. That is on us to some extent.
And I don't blame him. There will always be some ass that ruins it for everyone. I don't agree with his position on not actively engaging his players, but hey, at least we have a player committee that believe it or not can and does have valid input.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 07:51:19
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By Rino_007 [344056]
Well part of the problem is the older players honestly. Some players tend to piss off Chedburn, they have valid points, though they say it in a way they should not. Of course, Chedburn in turn, shouldn't lash out in anger as it would be better to show a more businesslike appearance. A simple forum ban would have been enough to prove he was angered in that incident. Perhaps his greatest weakness is his apparent inability to take criticism. Of course, that would be natural though given his age and the fact he has established himself quite a business. It'd be like how dare some random person challenge my ability to do something that makes me a lot of money.
I'd say his number one issue would be really feeling what most of torn has to say about him and how they feel about torn. I know for one I've played a lot though my time online has declined because of business. For every single thing that he has done that I have not liked or aware of, I at least understood what he was trying to do. I know personally I like the game and think there could be room for improvement but it starts with the source.
He has to work with us, the players who make it rough on new players to get a foothold in the game. I warn new players I stumble upon to be very weary of the forums because it would make or break the game. So in a sense, I believe we, the players, are a part of the source of the problem. We may not be the whole part, Chedburn is still young he needs to learn to curb his anger or at least see the point when people belittle him publicly-- there is no real place to just straight up talk to him. Imagine how many e-mails/ in game messages he must get even if 1% of the people send him a message each day. That is a ton of mails to read and respond to. The only real way (barring of course reading all his mails) for him to tell is to literally sift hours through the forums to get a real feel to get an overall picture. |
Well tbh I still remember when Mr Chedburn would would actually become a part of GD threads...and like it or not, agree with me or not...people loved it, and abused it. I remember the day he said he would no longer post in GD, or any forum other than bugs & issues from the bashing he got. That is on us to some extent.
And I don't blame him. There will always be some ass that ruins it for everyone. I don't agree with his position on not actively engaging his players, but hey, at least we have a player committee that believe it or not can and does have valid input. |
@ bold - absolutely right, bro.
There's a difference between constructive criticism and just straight up trolling/criticizing/being a dickhead. The majority of people who chose to be dickheads, instead of trying to present their points, ideas, suggestions, etc. ruined it for the rest of us.
I really do believe that if people would been more civil and articulate instead of just "LULZ U SUCK" type shit when Ched posted, the game would be a lot better off right now.
All in all, I can't blame him (Ched) for his posting being the way it is now.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 08:50:37
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Those who slanders other people's integrity without solid facts deserved the heaviest punishment. Kyle seems to me is putting much logical fallacies and red herrings (lol the graph is evidence and you believe it without grain of salt). Within that way, unless you are a saint or doesn't care much of your hard work, normal people will do get mad.
Merely stating my 2 cents and still taking neutral side.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:16:42
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Well part of the problem is the older players honestly. Some players tend to piss off Chedburn, they have valid points, though they say it in a way they should not. Of course, Chedburn in turn, shouldn't lash out in anger as it would be better to show a more businesslike appearance. A simple forum ban would have been enough to prove he was angered in that incident. Perhaps his greatest weakness is his apparent inability to take criticism. Of course, that would be natural though given his age and the fact he has established himself quite a business. It'd be like how dare some random person challenge my ability to do something that makes me a lot of money.
I'd say his number one issue would be really feeling what most of torn has to say about him and how they feel about torn. I know for one I've played a lot though my time online has declined because of business. For every single thing that he has done that I have not liked or aware of, I at least understood what he was trying to do. I know personally I like the game and think there could be room for improvement but it starts with the source.
He has to work with us, the players who make it rough on new players to get a foothold in the game. I warn new players I stumble upon to be very weary of the forums because it would make or break the game. So in a sense, I believe we, the players, are a part of the source of the problem. We may not be the whole part, Chedburn is still young he needs to learn to curb his anger or at least see the point when people belittle him publicly-- there is no real place to just straight up talk to him. Imagine how many e-mails/ in game messages he must get even if 1% of the people send him a message each day. That is a ton of mails to read and respond to. The only real way (barring of course reading all his mails) for him to tell is to literally sift hours through the forums to get a real feel to get an overall picture. |
Well tbh I still remember when Mr Chedburn would would actually become a part of GD threads...and like it or not, agree with me or not...people loved it, and abused it. I remember the day he said he would no longer post in GD, or any forum other than bugs & issues from the bashing he got. That is on us to some extent.
And I don't blame him. There will always be some ass that ruins it for everyone. I don't agree with his position on not actively engaging his players, but hey, at least we have a player committee that believe it or not can and does have valid input. |
Honestly Doc, what % of bashing has he not earned through a long line of well documented blunders? Ched has all the signs of still being very young in many areas with skin as thin as tissue paper. When you are the leader you are the heel/bad guy when things don't go to plan or smoothly and criticism is a building point no matter how negative it is. Ched does not feel this way, he views criticism as a person attack and responds negatively right back by labeling you a whiner, selfish or knee jerk opinion former. Flying off the handle and banning people is not the answer. That said...
By Aramis [432256]
Those who slanders other people's integrity without solid facts deserved the heaviest punishment. Kyle seems to me is putting much logical fallacies and red herrings (lol the graph is evidence and you believe it without grain of salt). Within that way, unless you are a saint or doesn't care much of your hard work, normal people will do get mad.
Merely stating my 2 cents and still taking neutral side. |
You can not slander with an opinion that many people share. It's like saying you can't slander someone going on trail for murder. Sure you can. Facts are open to interpretation. Did Kyle cross the line? Sure, more than once but he also made some points that a lot of people find to be true as well. The OP said a lot worse in "This game sucks!" for example and I read posts way worse than that in GD all the time but he gets perma banned.
A lengthy forum ban and a week fed sentence would have been plenty but by not releasing him it makes you seem bitter person that can't just let it go. Letting the guy out would prove that you're the mature, bigger person even though you felt wronged and perhaps he was a little. I do not feel making an example out of some one is a better option than making an announcement that says Developer bashing will no longer be tolerated.
Very few people are questioning if Ched or other Devs care, we know they do but most will question what dodgey decisions and slow or poor updates. The warring being a long over looked and very important part of the game but still poorly constructed aspect that is still not fixed. It's easy to say be patient but with waring being so bad for so long and seeing countless questionable updates(my opinion) go live its natural to raise up the point. This is a warring/crime game and currently they both are really poor points of the game and have been for a long time.
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Here is the answer no-one dares say.
The Myanmar player doesnt have any extra time on his hands to create more multis and increase the number............
Anyway, other things.
Firstly Kyle's banning was crap. Simply showed someone throwing their toys out of their pram.
Actions like this lead to some people leaving. They wonder why continue playing when at the top they do what they want with no consideration of the players.
Then you have boredom factor of older players who leave.
Then you have the bullying factor of players toward newer players so newer players join and simply think screw this game full of egotistical lil nerds.
Bottom line is, not enough is done on player retention.
You can advertise as much as you want. Bring in millions of fantastic updates. However if you cannot retain players for whatever reason then your numbers will never rise.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:43:48
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By _Cynic_ [206537]
Here is the answer no-one dares say.
The Myanmar player doesnt have any extra time on his hands to create more multis and increase the number............
Anyway, other things.
Firstly Kyle's banning was crap. Simply showed someone throwing their toys out of their pram.
Actions like this lead to some people leaving. They wonder why continue playing when at the top they do what they want with no consideration of the players.
Then you have boredom factor of older players who leave.
Then you have the bullying factor of players toward newer players so newer players join and simply think screw this game full of egotistical lil nerds.
Bottom line is, not enough is done on player retention.
You can advertise as much as you want. Bring in millions of fantastic updates. However if you cannot retain players for whatever reason then your numbers will never rise. |
Agreed but how on earth could this be fixed?
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:57:13
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Here is the answer no-one dares say.
The Myanmar player doesnt have any extra time on his hands to create more multis and increase the number............
Anyway, other things.
Firstly Kyle's banning was crap. Simply showed someone throwing their toys out of their pram.
Actions like this lead to some people leaving. They wonder why continue playing when at the top they do what they want with no consideration of the players.
Then you have boredom factor of older players who leave.
Then you have the bullying factor of players toward newer players so newer players join and simply think screw this game full of egotistical lil nerds.
Bottom line is, not enough is done on player retention.
You can advertise as much as you want. Bring in millions of fantastic updates. However if you cannot retain players for whatever reason then your numbers will never rise. |
Agreed but how on earth could this be fixed? |
Agreed as well. I have no clue how this could be fixed in a practical way. Surely you can't make bullying illegal (imagine enforcing that, lol) - but something definitely needs to be done to retain new players and keep older ones interested.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 13:09:33
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By _Cynic_ [206537]
Here is the answer no-one dares say.
The Myanmar player doesnt have any extra time on his hands to create more multis and increase the number............
Anyway, other things.
Firstly Kyle's banning was crap. Simply showed someone throwing their toys out of their pram.
Actions like this lead to some people leaving. They wonder why continue playing when at the top they do what they want with no consideration of the players.
Then you have boredom factor of older players who leave.
Then you have the bullying factor of players toward newer players so newer players join and simply think screw this game full of egotistical lil nerds.
Bottom line is, not enough is done on player retention.
You can advertise as much as you want. Bring in millions of fantastic updates. However if you cannot retain players for whatever reason then your numbers will never rise. |
Agreed but how on earth could this be fixed? |
Agreed as well. I have no clue how this could be fixed in a practical way. Surely you can't make bullying illegal (imagine enforcing that, lol) - but something definitely needs to be done to retain new players and keep older ones interested. |
But this is a crime game. A lot of the fun would be gone if you were no allowed to throw your weight around when you wish.
Personaly i think slamming should be made illegal and there should be some sort of benefit to people to help new players other than a moral one because lets face it. Most people cult give a ship about anyone else in the game bar the people that can benefit them
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 13:12:32
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Fking predictive text. 
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By CompanyHiring [266775]
You can not slander with an opinion that many people share. It's like saying you can't slander someone going on trail for murder. Sure you can. Facts are open to interpretation. Did Kyle cross the line? Sure, more than once but he also made some points that a lot of people find to be true as well. The OP said a lot worse in "This game sucks!" for example and I read posts way worse than that in GD all the time but he gets perma banned.
A lengthy forum ban and a week fed sentence would have been plenty but by not releasing him it makes you seem bitter person that can't just let it go. Letting the guy out would prove that you're the mature, bigger person even though you felt wronged and perhaps he was a little. I do not feel making an example out of some one is a better option than making an announcement that says Developer bashing will no longer be tolerated.
Very few people are questioning if Ched or other Devs care, we know they do but most will question what dodgey decisions and slow or poor updates. The warring being a long over looked and very important part of the game but still poorly constructed aspect that is still not fixed. It's easy to say be patient but with waring being so bad for so long and seeing countless questionable updates(my opinion) go live its natural to raise up the point. This is a warring/crime game and currently they both are really poor points of the game and have been for a long time. |
One thing different in this case, despite a group of people agreeing with Kyle, is Kyle made things up. I, too, have read much worse than Kyle's, but very rarely are those that goes as far as conjuring fallacies to back his theories up.
If he's saying "this game sucks because the lag can't handle many players", then his opinion is justifiable. But his statement is sound more like this: "this game sucks because the maker is sexual deviant. Here's the random number I generate to back me up." Whoa. Furthermore, if there are many other posts that is much worse than his, why weren't they getting banned ? We have to look at the context of each posts.
Therefore, again in my neutral side, despite the flaws in this game and of course freedom of speech in circumstances, Kyle shouldn't have made things up if he wants to state his rather popular opinion.
Meh.
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Ched does not feel this way, he views criticism as a person attack and responds negatively right back by labeling you a whiner, selfish or knee jerk opinion former. |
The thing is, a large amount of the criticism aimed at ched is in the form of a personal attack, as the flame warriors like to treat it all as a p*ssing competition.
Seriously, you poke the bear enough, eventually it's going to take your head off.
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By _Cynic_ [206537]
Here is the answer no-one dares say.
The Myanmar player doesnt have any extra time on his hands to create more multis and increase the number............
Anyway, other things.
Firstly Kyle's banning was crap. Simply showed someone throwing their toys out of their pram.
Actions like this lead to some people leaving. They wonder why continue playing when at the top they do what they want with no consideration of the players.
Then you have boredom factor of older players who leave.
Then you have the bullying factor of players toward newer players so newer players join and simply think screw this game full of egotistical lil nerds.
Bottom line is, not enough is done on player retention.
You can advertise as much as you want. Bring in millions of fantastic updates. However if you cannot retain players for whatever reason then your numbers will never rise. |
Agreed but how on earth could this be fixed? |
Agreed as well. I have no clue how this could be fixed in a practical way. Surely you can't make bullying illegal (imagine enforcing that, lol) - but something definitely needs to be done to retain new players and keep older ones interested. |
But this is a crime game. A lot of the fun would be gone if you were no allowed to throw your weight around when you wish.
Personaly i think slamming should be made illegal and there should be some sort of benefit to people to help new players other than a moral one because lets face it. Most people cult give a ship about anyone else in the game bar the people that can benefit them
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First thing i would do would be to actually deal with the bullshit that happens on the forums.
That is where most of the bullying stems from.
How to do that is the harder questions. It could well mean having stricter rules, and perhaps more control on access to forums.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 13:37:48
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By Mutley [588278]
Over the last few months, I have been looking at the data on the login page and the statistics never really seem to change. You would think that a game like Torn would grow even faster as more people sign up, but it doesn't seem to be that way. Don't get me wrong, 25,000 people is the last 24 hours is a hell of a lot, but why is it not increasing?
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The game used to have nearly 55k daily players. Due to many of Cheds "updates" he has lost nearly half of his active daily players and still hasn't recovered from it.
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Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 14:05:18
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You can not slander with an opinion that many people share. It's like saying you can't slander someone going on trail for murder. Sure you can. Facts are open to interpretation. Did Kyle cross the line? Sure, more than once but he also made some points that a lot of people find to be true as well. The OP said a lot worse in "This game sucks!" for example and I read posts way worse than that in GD all the time but he gets perma banned.
A lengthy forum ban and a week fed sentence would have been plenty but by not releasing him it makes you seem bitter person that can't just let it go. Letting the guy out would prove that you're the mature, bigger person even though you felt wronged and perhaps he was a little. I do not feel making an example out of some one is a better option than making an announcement that says Developer bashing will no longer be tolerated.
Very few people are questioning if Ched or other Devs care, we know they do but most will question what dodgey decisions and slow or poor updates. The warring being a long over looked and very important part of the game but still poorly constructed aspect that is still not fixed. It's easy to say be patient but with waring being so bad for so long and seeing countless questionable updates(my opinion) go live its natural to raise up the point. This is a warring/crime game and currently they both are really poor points of the game and have been for a long time. |
One thing different in this case, despite a group of people agreeing with Kyle, is Kyle made things up. I, too, have read much worse than Kyle's, but very rarely are those that goes as far as conjuring fallacies to back his theories up.
If he's saying "this game sucks because the lag can't handle many players", then his opinion is justifiable. But his statement is sound more like this: "this game sucks because the maker is sexual deviant. Here's the random number I generate to back me up." Whoa. Furthermore, if there are many other posts that is much worse than his, why weren't they getting banned ? We have to look at the context of each posts.
Therefore, again in my neutral side, despite the flaws in this game and of course freedom of speech in circumstances, Kyle shouldn't have made things up if he wants to state his rather popular opinion.
Meh.
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You're very naive if you think he made up things and conjured up fallacies. You can google info on any business and get relative financial measures on it which is exactly what he did. I can google almost anything and get any info I want. There's a very high chance anyone can google and tell you exactly how much you paid for your house. When you bought it. Who your relatives are...etc. The information out there is infinite. I can tell you with 100% accuracy Kyle didn't make up fallacies.
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Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 14:11:42
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nvm
Last Edited: Sat Mar 30, 2013 00:18:54
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 14:16:34
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By D3ADLY [282188]
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You can not slander with an opinion that many people share. It's like saying you can't slander someone going on trail for murder. Sure you can. Facts are open to interpretation. Did Kyle cross the line? Sure, more than once but he also made some points that a lot of people find to be true as well. The OP said a lot worse in "This game sucks!" for example and I read posts way worse than that in GD all the time but he gets perma banned.
A lengthy forum ban and a week fed sentence would have been plenty but by not releasing him it makes you seem bitter person that can't just let it go. Letting the guy out would prove that you're the mature, bigger person even though you felt wronged and perhaps he was a little. I do not feel making an example out of some one is a better option than making an announcement that says Developer bashing will no longer be tolerated.
Very few people are questioning if Ched or other Devs care, we know they do but most will question what dodgey decisions and slow or poor updates. The warring being a long over looked and very important part of the game but still poorly constructed aspect that is still not fixed. It's easy to say be patient but with waring being so bad for so long and seeing countless questionable updates(my opinion) go live its natural to raise up the point. This is a warring/crime game and currently they both are really poor points of the game and have been for a long time. |
One thing different in this case, despite a group of people agreeing with Kyle, is Kyle made things up. I, too, have read much worse than Kyle's, but very rarely are those that goes as far as conjuring fallacies to back his theories up.
If he's saying "this game sucks because the lag can't handle many players", then his opinion is justifiable. But his statement is sound more like this: "this game sucks because the maker is sexual deviant. Here's the random number I generate to back me up." Whoa. Furthermore, if there are many other posts that is much worse than his, why weren't they getting banned ? We have to look at the context of each posts.
Therefore, again in my neutral side, despite the flaws in this game and of course freedom of speech in circumstances, Kyle shouldn't have made things up if he wants to state his rather popular opinion.
Meh.
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You're very naive if you think he made up things and conjured up fallacies. You can google info on any business and get relative financial measures on it which is exactly what he did. I can google almost anything and get any info I want. There's a very high chance anyone can google and tell you exactly how much you paid for your house. When you bought it. Who your relatives are...etc. The information out there is infinite. I can tell you with 100% accuracy Kyle didn't make up fallacies. |
And uh, you are naive if I fall for that bullshit. Try harder.
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Ched does not feel this way, he views criticism as a person attack and responds negatively right back by labeling you a whiner, selfish or knee jerk opinion former. |
The thing is, a large amount of the criticism aimed at ched is in the form of a personal attack, as the flame warriors like to treat it all as a p*ssing competition.
Seriously, you poke the bear enough, eventually it's going to take your head off. |
And I'm sure there is a "large amount" of constructive criticism as well. No matter how constructive it will still be viewed as negative to Ched because it was not "OMG Ched! Best update ever!". Regardless of how much of a flame it is and lets keep in mind how much goes on in the forums these days unpunished it's a forum violation not a bannable offense. He got butthurt and banned some one and that is a bad sign of how things work around here, it is a problem.
At the end of the day if you can't get over the pissing contest because your feelings get hurt make such posts a 365 day forum ban and you wouldn't see them. No need to delete someones account because you took a silly forum post that means nothing personal.
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