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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 02:57:21
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I find that utterly unnacceptable. If there can be no competition what use is there to play? The game then has no spirit.


If that is the case, I suggest you simply quit. This game has been around for so long that the early players have a headstart none of the newer players can ever dream of competing with. The goal for my part is to be as good as I can be for my age group, when it comes to both wealth, stats and whatnot.

The game is constantly evolving, meaning that some game mechanics were in place years ago that us newer players never had the chance to use (such as no cooldowns, self-busting, etc). Many of these have been changed and/or removed completely, since they could potentially harm the game or make it unplayable. But a lot of players made use of these benefits when they were accessible, since the game allowed them to do so. Should they be punished now by losing their hard-earned benefits just because we want a completely level playing field? I think not.

It it irrational to believe that upon entering a game where people have a 5 year plus headstart, you will be able to climb to the top. That goes without saying, and I believe I speak for a very large part of the game community when I claim that it is largely accepted. Play your own game, decide on your goals and pursue them. Don't try to become Bill Gates by creating Windows 20 years later. It won't work.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:12:19
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I find that utterly unnacceptable. If there can be no competition what use is there to play? The game then has no spirit.


If that is the case, I suggest you simply quit. This game has been around for so long that the early players have a headstart none of the newer players can ever dream of competing with. The goal for my part is to be as good as I can be for my age group, when it comes to both wealth, stats and whatnot.

The game is constantly evolving, meaning that some game mechanics were in place years ago that us newer players never had the chance to use (such as no cooldowns, self-busting, etc). Many of these have been changed and/or removed completely, since they could potentially harm the game or make it unplayable. But a lot of players made use of these benefits when they were accessible, since the game allowed them to do so. Should they be punished now by losing their hard-earned benefits just because we want a completely level playing field? I think not.

It it irrational to believe that upon entering a game where people have a 5 year plus headstart, you will be able to climb to the top. That goes without saying, and I believe I speak for a very large part of the game community when I claim that it is largely accepted. Play your own game, decide on your goals and pursue them. Don't try to become Bill Gates by creating Windows 20 years later. It won't work.




What a lovely suggestion, that I simply ignore justice and be on my merry way. Unfortunately principle guides me, perhaps a soft spot for the unwinable too, I care not for becoming best, what I desire is a level playing field. Should elder players be given reward, of course, should that come in the form of uncontestable battle supremacy, no. For such a large part of the game being based on combat I find it completely unreasonable to say that you've joined too late, too bad so sad. If reward elder players need, the time they've spent gathering resources apart from battle skills should be advantage enough. I don't mean you should make it easy to catch them, just possible. Are you reading this Ched? Along with the parcel containing the fee for donatorship i'll also include a small explosive device Cheers!

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:15:39
Btw, anyone know what will happen to the job specials, that train str/def/spd or stuff like that?
Will they be counted as a train for the gym(gaining gym exp) and how much will the gain?

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:19:43
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Btw, anyone know what will happen to the job specials, that train str/def/spd or stuff like that?
Will they be counted as a train for the gym(gaining gym exp) and how much will the gain?

Ooo This is a very good point....if I was in 5 star furniture company I could tell ya lol



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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:19:55
The uncontestable battle supremacy is already very much in place, and no change to the gym system will be able to balance that out. And level playing field is all nice - but the only way it is possible for a new player to catch up to the old players is if the old players quit playing, and we spend several years doing our utmost to overtake them.

Again, a headstart of several years shouldn't be something you can easily overcome. It would be far more unreasonable if a player can join now, take advantage of a system designed to level out the playing field and within X months of playing catch up to the people who have spent years putting time and effort into the game. Of course it would be nice to be able to climb to the top, but since the lead is as massive as it is, we actually DID join too late, too bad so sad.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:22:10
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Btw, anyone know what will happen to the job specials, that train str/def/spd or stuff like that?
Will they be counted as a train for the gym(gaining gym exp) and how much will the gain?


The job specials that give gains in various stats have as far as I know always been calculated as 1 job point spent = 1 train in the gym, Steadfast not being factored in. I assume it still works like this, why would it be any different now?

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:23:14
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I find that utterly unnacceptable. If there can be no competition what use is there to play? The game then has no spirit.


If that is the case, I suggest you simply quit. This game has been around for so long that the early players have a headstart none of the newer players can ever dream of competing with. The goal for my part is to be as good as I can be for my age group, when it comes to both wealth, stats and whatnot.

The game is constantly evolving, meaning that some game mechanics were in place years ago that us newer players never had the chance to use (such as no cooldowns, self-busting, etc). Many of these have been changed and/or removed completely, since they could potentially harm the game or make it unplayable. But a lot of players made use of these benefits when they were accessible, since the game allowed them to do so. Should they be punished now by losing their hard-earned benefits just because we want a completely level playing field? I think not.

It it irrational to believe that upon entering a game where people have a 5 year plus headstart, you will be able to climb to the top. That goes without saying, and I believe I speak for a very large part of the game community when I claim that it is largely accepted. Play your own game, decide on your goals and pursue them. Don't try to become Bill Gates by creating Windows 20 years later. It won't work.


Well put...



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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:26:18
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Btw, anyone know what will happen to the job specials, that train str/def/spd or stuff like that?
Will they be counted as a train for the gym(gaining gym exp) and how much will the gain?


The job specials that give gains in various stats have as far as I know always been calculated as 1 job point spent = 1 train in the gym, Steadfast not being factored in. I assume it still works like this, why would it be any different now?


So does that mean we will gain gym exp when we use the job points? and since we have different gyms now, does that mean the job special will be according to our current gym or does that mean it would be to the global gym(which everyone has)?

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:27:27
benefitors of a corrupt system would of course support it's continued use but this is not the place for a dispute

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:30:27
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Btw, anyone know what will happen to the job specials, that train str/def/spd or stuff like that?
Will they be counted as a train for the gym(gaining gym exp) and how much will the gain?


The job specials that give gains in various stats have as far as I know always been calculated as 1 job point spent = 1 train in the gym, Steadfast not being factored in. I assume it still works like this, why would it be any different now?


So does that mean we will gain gym exp when we use the job points? and since we have different gyms now, does that mean the job special will be according to our current gym or does that mean it would be to the global gym(which everyone has)?


With regards to gym exp gain - NO idea whatsoever. I guess we won't be given gym exp when using job points, as that isn't done directly in the gym..but that can be tested. I would test it myself, but I'm currently saving up my points to finish off a bachelor, so someone else will have to do that.

And I'm guessing the job special will be tied up to what ever gym you are member of at the moment of using the points. Either that or the Global Gym, whatever was easiest to code.^^

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:32:00
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I find that utterly unnacceptable. If there can be no competition what use is there to play? The game then has no spirit.


If that is the case, I suggest you simply quit. This game has been around for so long that the early players have a headstart none of the newer players can ever dream of competing with. The goal for my part is to be as good as I can be for my age group, when it comes to both wealth, stats and whatnot.

The game is constantly evolving, meaning that some game mechanics were in place years ago that us newer players never had the chance to use (such as no cooldowns, self-busting, etc). Many of these have been changed and/or removed completely, since they could potentially harm the game or make it unplayable. But a lot of players made use of these benefits when they were accessible, since the game allowed them to do so. Should they be punished now by losing their hard-earned benefits just because we want a completely level playing field? I think not.

It it irrational to believe that upon entering a game where people have a 5 year plus headstart, you will be able to climb to the top. That goes without saying, and I believe I speak for a very large part of the game community when I claim that it is largely accepted. Play your own game, decide on your goals and pursue them. Don't try to become Bill Gates by creating Windows 20 years later. It won't work.




What a lovely suggestion, that I simply ignore justice and be on my merry way. Unfortunately principle guides me, perhaps a soft spot for the unwinable too, I care not for becoming best, what I desire is a level playing field. Should elder players be given reward, of course, should that come in the form of uncontestable battle supremacy, no. For such a large part of the game being based on combat I find it completely unreasonable to say that you've joined too late, too bad so sad. If reward elder players need, the time they've spent gathering resources apart from battle skills should be advantage enough. I don't mean you should make it easy to catch them, just possible. Are you reading this Ched? Along with the parcel containing the fee for donatorship i'll also include a small explosive device Cheers!



Justice? Let's not get too carried away here now... lol

Let's flip your argument on it's head now - older players have put many, many thousands more hours into their battle stats than you have, so why should a new player (who has not and will not put in anywhere near the same amount of time) be able to catch them?

You need to lose the mindset that prevails in a game is played in "rounds" and understand that this game is not capped and is (currently) running in perpetuity and adjust your expectations accordingly.

When you first start up the whole of TC cannot and will not be your oyster as there's just too much to do and too many players in the game so you will eventually find your own niche wrt gameplay preferences - maybe joining a faction and warring those you can compete with, choosing which aspects of Torn City you prefer to engage with on a regular basis, setting yourself up financially, gambling, racing, running a trading business, etc.

There is no ungodly injustice being perpetrated on newer players here - indeed newer players get a much gentler and easier intro to the game now than we did back in the day.


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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:33:09
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benefitors of a corrupt system would of course support it's continued use but this is not the place for a dispute


I suggest you have a second look at my age before you jump to the conclusion that I am a benefitor of an admittedly flawed system. I am just as unable to compete with the "big guns" as you are. I merely accept it, since there is nothing I can do about it - and I have no problems seeing the fairness in letting the people who have played the game for years keep their lead.

They worked for it, they earned it, let them keep it.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:37:03
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benefitors of a corrupt system would of course support it's continued use but this is not the place for a dispute


I am one of these older people you seem to dislike so much and I can tell you that I am not NEARLY as strong as some of the younger, more active folks. I'm of course talking about people who were able to seize an opportunity when it surfaced and have been extremely active during their time here.

I should be on your side preaching for a way to make it easy for me to catch these active nooblets who have put my stats to shame in 1/4 of the time, but why would I do that? That person put in much more time and dedication (probably RL cash too) in order to get the items/stats/whatever they have. I shouldn't have the ability to catch them with in a few months just b/c there is some gym allowing crazy gains for the weak.

What you are asking for is a bit absurd in a time based game. Perhaps if our entire experience here wasn't based on time then I'd say, "Ok, sure...make it so I can put in a good 3-4 days straight and get to a certain level." This isn't a video game you can play on the weekends and reach a level then put it down and come back later. This game moves on, with or without you. If you didn't want to put in the time needed to progress above your peers (and catch the older folks) then "too bad, so sad."

Again, the game will move on...with or without you.


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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:37:05
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the cost is frankly, prohibitive for new players, is this meant to give a further edge to the old players who already have an impossible head start? Not entirely well thought out.

The total cost of unlocking each gym in succession is: $5,514,386,654.
A person starting today, doing their utmost, aided greatly by generosity of elder players would be hard pressed to reach the final gym within years! Ched mentioned possible tweaks to the prices, may I suggest Massive changes, possibly costs reduced based on a days lived basis?


Based on how long each gym takes to unlock (assuming that it's 2x / gym) it will take WELL over 2 years to unlock all the gyms.

30-50 for first gym, 100 for second, 200-250 for third.... That means with 32 gyms it will be taking about 1 million + trains for the last few gyms. There's only 105120 trains (naturally, no xan / year. With xan / refill you would have a total of 65,700 more / year for a total of 170,820 trains / year max (without fhc, since that'd be a little more hard to calculate.) So when we think of that many trains in a 'maximum year' we can easily see that the average person won't be unlocking anything spectacular anytime soon. New players should have time to grow into their respective gyms. Older players need more time to unlock it. The players that join in a year or so will be the ones getting screwed.

Also, 8 of those are specialty gyms, and over half of your 5.5b figure are the final 2 gyms, so your statement is extremely misleading. Most of the gyms are pretty damn cheap. I would pay 2b for a gym that gave me 25k / train at max stat cap, that's about 3m stats / day.



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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 03:37:44
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Btw, anyone know what will happen to the job specials, that train str/def/spd or stuff like that?
Will they be counted as a train for the gym(gaining gym exp) and how much will the gain?


The job specials that give gains in various stats have as far as I know always been calculated as 1 job point spent = 1 train in the gym, Steadfast not being factored in. I assume it still works like this, why would it be any different now?


So does that mean we will gain gym exp when we use the job points? and since we have different gyms now, does that mean the job special will be according to our current gym or does that mean it would be to the global gym(which everyone has)?


With regards to gym exp gain - NO idea whatsoever. I guess we won't be given gym exp when using job points, as that isn't done directly in the gym..but that can be tested. I would test it myself, but I'm currently saving up my points to finish off a bachelor, so someone else will have to do that.

And I'm guessing the job special will be tied up to what ever gym you are member of at the moment of using the points. Either that or the Global Gym, whatever was easiest to code.^^


Nope - just checked and no gym experience for using job points - unfortunately I didn't take special notice of the actual gains but it looked like the normal 10k per job point I think (I didn't see anything unusual).



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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:17:07
Do not mistake my comments to mean that I expect the game to bend to my own desire to be a powerful player, I enjoy the clock based system, it though is different from a more effort based game, true enough you have spent many hours and much effort, though I contend that I have not been given that opportunity! the clock simply does not move faster for me nor should it, that nonwithstanding how may I compete? the too bad so sad admonishment you twisted to your own use so unguiltily was meant to highlight that if in no way a new player is able to compare then why would they play.

The combat system unequivocally affects almost Every aspect of the game, if someone dogged you and constantly put you in the hospital, within the power of an elder player to do this to multiple people at the same time I might add, renders the game Unplayable. How do you suggest it be righted if you will not admit the stat gain system need be changed?

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:18:16
Im hoping your cost estimate is WAY off, Once im able to hit some of the heavy and special gym's. If not. Im not liking that part at all. Not everyone is a quadra bajillionaire after all.

But all in all, The aspect of it seems pretty cool. Ill wait till i get to that point, Before I decide if I wanna complain or praise it.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:25:58
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Im hoping your cost estimate is WAY off, Once im able to hit some of the heavy and special gym's. If not. Im not liking that part at all. Not everyone is a quadra bajillionaire after all.

But all in all, The aspect of it seems pretty cool. Ill wait till i get to that point, Before I decide if I wanna complain or praise it.


The cost estimate is way off, as mentioned above 5,5billion of this massive amount are for the 2 last gyms alone - the rest of them have a fairly reasonable joining fee.

In addition, it takes forever and a day to reach the top gyms, so by the time we get there I suppose most of us have stockpiled enough cash to pay the fee and then some.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:31:58
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Im hoping your cost estimate is WAY off, Once im able to hit some of the heavy and special gym's. If not. Im not liking that part at all. Not everyone is a quadra bajillionaire after all.

But all in all, The aspect of it seems pretty cool. Ill wait till i get to that point, Before I decide if I wanna complain or praise it.


The cost estimate is way off, as mentioned above 5,5billion of this massive amount are for the 2 last gyms alone - the rest of them have a fairly reasonable joining fee.

In addition, it takes forever and a day to reach the top gyms, so by the time we get there I suppose most of us have stockpiled enough cash to pay the fee and then some.


How dare the cost be downplayed, I know of no job, crime or other such method that grants 5.5b within the time you would be able to attain the final gyms, ESPECIALLY if you are starting without assets and skills. (I think a new player is given $500 and a point?)
"estimate" is laughable, it is quite simply fact, easily calculable, the rise in cost as you go is exceptional but nonetheless there is an extreme cost.



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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:35:16
The last two gyms costs are not accurate. The number displayed is an integer so it will display that figure for all amounts over 2,147,483,647. The true cost could be 5 or 100 billion or more.

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The last two gyms costs are not accurate. The number displayed is an integer so it will display that figure for all amounts over 2,147,483,647. The true cost could be 5 or 100 billion or more.


enlightening, that the cost is most likely more only raises more concern.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:46:44
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How dare the cost be downplayed, I know of no job, crime or other such method that grants 5.5b within the time you would be able to attain the final gyms, ESPECIALLY if you are starting without assets and skills. (I think a new player is given $500 and a point?)
"estimate" is laughable, it is quite simply fact, easily calculable, the rise in cost as you go is exceptional but nonetheless there is an extreme cost.


Let's assume that you sign up for all but the specialized Gyms and the "light" gyms, you just keep global.

That means you will need to spend a total of:

$319,410,000

Last week I made $641,261,120 if my numbers are correct. The simple fact of the matter is that there are ways to make HEAPS of money in this game with a little luck, patience, and perseverance. If you can't figure that out, maybe you should go check out neopets or something more fit for you?


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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:47:18
If the cost is 100 billion I'd be very happy. That would simply mean that the VERY wealthy players gain enough experience to join said courses, the fees will remove a huge chunk of the money from circulation, causing a deflation - and making my millions worth more than they are now.

And Rage, to your above post...YOU don't know of any way to make several billions over the course of a couple of years. It is however very far from impossible, even though it might seem like that right now. Patience.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:51:59
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How dare the cost be downplayed, I know of no job, crime or other such method that grants 5.5b within the time you would be able to attain the final gyms, ESPECIALLY if you are starting without assets and skills. (I think a new player is given $500 and a point?)
"estimate" is laughable, it is quite simply fact, easily calculable, the rise in cost as you go is exceptional but nonetheless there is an extreme cost.


Let's assume that you sign up for all but the specialized Gyms and the "light" gyms, you just keep global.

That means you will need to spend a total of:

$319,410,000

Last week I made $641,261,120 if my numbers are correct. The simple fact of the matter is that there are ways to make HEAPS of money in this game with a little luck, patience, and perseverance. If you can't figure that out, maybe you should go check out neopets or something more fit for you?



to your particular gains I have no need to look at your level and days played to know that among that profit comes money from investments which I have not had the time to build up money To invest to recieve. I have not had the time to accumulate the crime ability you have, nor countless other things you may have done. Gameplay is subjective of course, the market is give and take. That you think I can't "figure that out" is incredibly insulting. i'm doing everything in my power to gain, doing well of it too.

I can only hope my point has been subliminally absorbed and will influence play in the future. With that I am done.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:52:54
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If the cost is 100 billion I'd be very happy. That would simply mean that the VERY wealthy players gain enough experience to join said courses, the fees will remove a huge chunk of the money from circulation, causing a deflation - and making my millions worth more than they are now.

And Rage, to your above post...YOU don't know of any way to make several billions over the course of a couple of years. It is however very far from impossible, even though it might seem like that right now. Patience.


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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:54:20
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How dare the cost be downplayed, I know of no job, crime or other such method that grants 5.5b within the time you would be able to attain the final gyms, ESPECIALLY if you are starting without assets and skills. (I think a new player is given $500 and a point?)
"estimate" is laughable, it is quite simply fact, easily calculable, the rise in cost as you go is exceptional but nonetheless there is an extreme cost.


You're fairly new so I'll give you a mulligan.

Ched is hell bent on sucking as much cash out of the economy as possible - the stock market was an epic failure because everyone just got out of it so he needs to try something else.

There are lots of things you can do to get a start (slutting, flower running, etc) and once you have that first chunk of change there are many ways to make your "nest egg" grow.



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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:55:46
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By RageAllDay [1588305]
How dare the cost be downplayed, I know of no job, crime or other such method that grants 5.5b within the time you would be able to attain the final gyms, ESPECIALLY if you are starting without assets and skills. (I think a new player is given $500 and a point?)
"estimate" is laughable, it is quite simply fact, easily calculable, the rise in cost as you go is exceptional but nonetheless there is an extreme cost.


You're fairly new so I'll give you a mulligan.

Ched is hell bent on sucking as much cash out of the economy as possible - the stock market was an epic failure because everyone just got out of it so he needs to try something else.

There are lots of things you can do to get a start (slutting, flower running, etc) and once you have that first chunk of change there are many ways to make your "nest egg" grow.



I thank you for your gentler suggestions, let us not forget after all i'm just a newb
I have and will continue using those among others

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:56:05
" I have not had the time to accumulate the crime ability you have, nor countless other things you may have done."

THIS. By the time you get to the really costly gym fees, you will have had this time - and you will also have the money. There are countless ways to make money, and the successful moneymakers make use of as many of them as possible.

I'm quite certain you will have no problem discovering these ways as time progresses. At your current level and age, it might be slow. But it increases soon enough.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 04:56:21
By RageAllDay [1588305]
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By RageAllDay [1588305]
How dare the cost be downplayed, I know of no job, crime or other such method that grants 5.5b within the time you would be able to attain the final gyms, ESPECIALLY if you are starting without assets and skills. (I think a new player is given $500 and a point?)
"estimate" is laughable, it is quite simply fact, easily calculable, the rise in cost as you go is exceptional but nonetheless there is an extreme cost.


Let's assume that you sign up for all but the specialized Gyms and the "light" gyms, you just keep global.

That means you will need to spend a total of:

$319,410,000

Last week I made $641,261,120 if my numbers are correct. The simple fact of the matter is that there are ways to make HEAPS of money in this game with a little luck, patience, and perseverance. If you can't figure that out, maybe you should go check out neopets or something more fit for you?



to your particular gains I have no need to look at your level and days played to know that among that profit comes money from investments which I have not had the time to build up money To invest to recieve. I have not had the time to accumulate the crime ability you have, nor countless other things you may have done. Gameplay is subjective of course, the market is give and take. That you think I can't "figure that out" is incredibly insulting. i'm doing everything in my power to gain, doing well of it too.

I can only hope my point has been subliminally absorbed and will influence play in the future. With that I am done.


Get to level 15, run flowers, get to about 500m, start flipping money. It's really not hard, you're just not at the point where you can do it yet. I know that at level 10 you're at a terrible point in the game for money, but once you get up to a 40 - 45nb and you have 1m coming in from just crimes and 1-2m coming in from running flowers every day, it doesn't take long to get ahead. Sure you still need to buy your drugs and whatnot, but it's really not hard.

Some people are just better at making money than others though. Look at people like BB, he's managed to use something like 4,000 stat enhancers, so clearly he makes way more than everyone else combined, in some way that noone else knows.

Edit: Also note, you can just get a block of FHC and sit on the benefit for a cool 20m / week... pretty easy, imo.

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Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2011 05:01:08
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How dare the cost be downplayed, I know of no job, crime or other such method that grants 5.5b within the time you would be able to attain the final gyms, ESPECIALLY if you are starting without assets and skills. (I think a new player is given $500 and a point?)
"estimate" is laughable, it is quite simply fact, easily calculable, the rise in cost as you go is exceptional but nonetheless there is an extreme cost.


Let's assume that you sign up for all but the specialized Gyms and the "light" gyms, you just keep global.

That means you will need to spend a total of:

$319,410,000

Last week I made $641,261,120 if my numbers are correct. The simple fact of the matter is that there are ways to make HEAPS of money in this game with a little luck, patience, and perseverance. If you can't figure that out, maybe you should go check out neopets or something more fit for you?



to your particular gains I have no need to look at your level and days played to know that among that profit comes money from investments which I have not had the time to build up money To invest to recieve. I have not had the time to accumulate the crime ability you have, nor countless other things you may have done. Gameplay is subjective of course, the market is give and take. That you think I can't "figure that out" is incredibly insulting. i'm doing everything in my power to gain, doing well of it too.

I can only hope my point has been subliminally absorbed and will influence play in the future. With that I am done.


Get to level 15, run flowers, get to about 500m, start flipping money. It's really not hard, you're just not at the point where you can do it yet. I know that at level 10 you're at a terrible point in the game for money, but once you get up to a 40 - 45nb and you have 1m coming in from just crimes and 1-2m coming in from running flowers every day, it doesn't take long to get ahead. Sure you still need to buy your drugs and whatnot, but it's really not hard.

Some people are just better at making money than others though. Look at people like BB, he's managed to use something like 4,000 stat enhancers, so clearly he makes way more than everyone else combined, in some way that noone else knows.

Edit: Also note, you can just get a block of FHC and sit on the benefit for a cool 20m / week... pretty easy, imo.


I don't really like the flower bit, i'm at around 35m right now, currently supplying BB (bagger) with as many hollow town items as he can handle, at a suitable rate of return of course
the underestimation is suprising, would I be posting here if I were clueless? honestly ..

Last Edited: Thu Nov 03, 2011 05:02:10
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