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Thread created on Sun Jan 27, 2013 17:05:27
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We are a very new faction. Seven days old. We come from a top ranked faction and were its active chainers.
Everyday my faction chains against many factions. We hit each one at least 5 times. Our faction number is nine. By the algorithm 5 is all that is required. As you see we hit every faction we are warring more than 5 times: This is one faction that we had at 98%, acquired 248 respect and many hits. One hit to victory and I woke up to a failure yet again and now had to say something out of sheer frustration.

This is last night's attack on the faction Fiber Warriors. The night before is more of the same but I am not going to bother taking my time too copy more of the same:

27/01/13 1:54:05 AM rushs453 hospitalized yippu
27/01/13 2:10:39 AM RapidFire hospitalized naunglatt
27/01/13 2:12:50 AM RapidFire hospitalized Fiber
27/01/13 2:21:35 AM rushs453 hospitalized Ahmaung
27/01/13 2:54:46 AM rushs453 hospitalized boaungzin
27/01/13 3:23:38 AM CaptainAmerica hospitalized kimshi
27/01/13 3:37:42 AM V1X3N hospitalized minkhantnyo
27/01/13 3:49:22 AM V1X3N hospitalized thetnainghtun28
27/01/13 4:42:18 AM RapidFire hospitalized LittleCreep
27/01/13 5:38:22 AM pilsner hospitalized Fiber
27/01/13 5:43:07 AM pilsner hospitalized Ahmaung

27/01/136:29:03 AM The war between Fiber Warrior and The Sons of Liberty is now over. FAILURE!!!! WTF? Are you kidding me? What else are we supposed to do that we are missing?

Here is more of the same

26/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between san money and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
26/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between Genocide and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
26/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between Carlito's Criminals and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
26/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between VXR and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
26/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between Shockwave2020 and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
26/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between TYW and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
26/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between Smile & Wave! and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
26/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between ThunderStruck and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
25/01/13 6:29:05 AM The war between MMC and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
25/01/13 6:29:05 AM The war between Rest In Pieces and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
25/01/13 6:29:05 AM The war between TRK and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
25/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between Bloody Moon Mafia and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
25/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between THE Myth and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
25/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between Eden and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
25/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between *The* «Sorcerer» and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
25/01/13 6:29:04 AM The war between L2K and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
24/01/13 6:29:07 AM The war between Kamikaze and The Sons of Liberty is now over.
24/01/13 6:29:06 AM The war between The Executers and The Sons of Liberty is now over.

ALL OF THESE WARS WE HAD MORE THAN THE MINIMUM HITS REQUIRED EVERYDAY. PLEASE GIVE A BETTER EXPLANATION OF YOUR ALGORITHM BECAUSE AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL IT IS CRAP AND IT IS VERY INACCURATE!

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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 17:52:52
And another one for Ched.



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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 23:44:42
I fixed a bug which was making the rules twice as strict as they were supposed to be.

Please remember not to be aggressive when making bug reports, or type/swear in capital letters. Really no need for it.

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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 23:49:39
Thanks Ched. I apologize for the profanity. I was frustrated. We all appreciate you addressing this so swiftly.

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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 23:53:28
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I fixed a bug which was making the rules twice as strict as they were supposed to be.

Please remember not to be aggressive when making bug reports, or type/swear in capital letters. Really no need for it.


You still havn't fixed the error of a shit update.

Please remember not to make shit updates in future, and actually ask the committee about these updates before implementing them. Really no need for it.

By Davzz [323969] I'd just like to thank you guys for posting a genuinely funny bug.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 00:13:11
lol You tell em matt

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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 00:19:52
It is true, he didn't even consult the committee, the whole reason there is a committee is to give feedback on these "ideas" of his!
If he had consulted them then he would have known how bad an idea it is.

What is the point of making the announcement about proposed changes, then only tells you about 90% of them, then never reveals any info on this "secret" update. It just frustrates people!


By Davzz [323969] I'd just like to thank you guys for posting a genuinely funny bug.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 00:33:30
It should have been a week and requiring so many hits on each faction. For my faction of 10 it should have been 35 hits required or you fail. But realizing that would mean you would know how to war and chain

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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 02:47:43
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I fixed a bug which was making the rules twice as strict as they were supposed to be.

Please remember not to be aggressive when making bug reports, or type/swear in capital letters. Really no need for it.


You still havn't fixed the error of a shit update.

Please remember not to make shit updates in future, and actually ask the committee about these updates before implementing them. Really no need for it.


Actually the update was completely backed by the committee and I can see it being really successful. It was also planned after about three months of discussion. Also I should note, the change isn't completed yet. We're still waiting to move the 300 limit to 500, and playing with the algorithm (both very simple changes).

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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 02:50:17
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It should have been a week and requiring so many hits on each faction. For my faction of 10 it should have been 35 hits required or you fail. But realizing that would mean you would know how to war and chain


With your faction of 10, you'd only need to make 5 hits per day.

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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 03:08:37
Yes ched that wasn't working though. But if you say its fixed now then I am cool with it all. The 300 versus 500 means nada to me and my group. Personally I think that is way too many targets to have to hit everyday. I came from #23 ranked faction and even there we didnt need 500 targets in a day.
I think the capping of xan was good. I think eliminating boring wars that go on and on was a good move. Now that it is correct that is.

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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 18:29:58
We have a faction in our warbase that hasn't made a hit in over 24hrs not even one! We may have made the odd one or two but nowhere near the desired amount to continue under the previous algorithm!

Sorry if I should have started another thread but feel the description of the thread but perhaps not the OP match my issue!

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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 08:07:00
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We have a faction in our warbase that hasn't made a hit in over 24hrs not even one! We may have made the odd one or two but nowhere near the desired amount to continue under the previous algorithm!

Sorry if I should have started another thread but feel the description of the thread but perhaps not the OP match my issue!


It can take up to 48 hours.

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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 18:04:51
That's Ninja warbar been @ 719 hits since Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:40:38

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Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 16:08:16
Further info, there has been one hit landed from my faction in a war that has had no attacks other than this in over 72hrs!

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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 16:00:36
Update, still no fail but now been 9 hits in 96 hours.... Still not enough to have met half of our faction size...

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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 19:40:21
By Chedburn [1]
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I fixed a bug which was making the rules twice as strict as they were supposed to be.

Please remember not to be aggressive when making bug reports, or type/swear in capital letters. Really no need for it.


You still havn't fixed the error of a shit update.

Please remember not to make shit updates in future, and actually ask the committee about these updates before implementing them. Really no need for it.


Actually the update was completely backed by the committee and I can see it being really successful. It was also planned after about three months of discussion. Also I should note, the change isn't completed yet. We're still waiting to move the 300 limit to 500, and playing with the algorithm (both very simple changes).


If they're simple changes, what's the hold up?

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Posted on Fri Feb 01, 2013 16:00:05
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I fixed a bug which was making the rules twice as strict as they were supposed to be.

Please remember not to be aggressive when making bug reports, or type/swear in capital letters. Really no need for it.


You still havn't fixed the error of a shit update.

Please remember not to make shit updates in future, and actually ask the committee about these updates before implementing them. Really no need for it.


Actually the update was completely backed by the committee and I can see it being really successful. It was also planned after about three months of discussion. Also I should note, the change isn't completed yet. We're still waiting to move the 300 limit to 500, and playing with the algorithm (both very simple changes).


If they're simple changes, what's the hold up?



I believe we're sitting on things for a bit, to see how well this works as it is.


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Posted on Sat Feb 02, 2013 09:05:40
Since the nine attacks mentioned previously it could have been another 48hrs and no further attacks from either side.

And yet a war that's been pretty active has failed!!

Is it because the faction we're fighting is in the top 100 or what this is very frustrating!!!

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Posted on Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:37:04
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I fixed a bug which was making the rules twice as strict as they were supposed to be.

Please remember not to be aggressive when making bug reports, or type/swear in capital letters. Really no need for it.


You still havn't fixed the error of a shit update.

Please remember not to make shit updates in future, and actually ask the committee about these updates before implementing them. Really no need for it.


Actually the update was completely backed by the committee and I can see it being really successful. It was also planned after about three months of discussion. Also I should note, the change isn't completed yet. We're still waiting to move the 300 limit to 500, and playing with the algorithm (both very simple changes).


If they're simple changes, what's the hold up?



I believe we're sitting on things for a bit, to see how well this works as it is.


But the committee voted in favor of the warbase increase, and you took that part out of it.

here's some quotes:

by bogie
The idea of including defending wars in the count sounds good to me, but only if the limit is increased. I could see some trying to abuse this though to make themselves immune to war. So the faster removal of inactive wars should be an essential part of this, one cannot exist without the other in my opinion so lets not leave this half done and just 'see how it goes'; I'd rather not see too many redundant 'quick fixes' until warring 2.0.


by Passie
I am with bogie here. I don't know if I should vote against or not. So I'm gonna go step by step...

[...]

So I got two negatives and 2 positives. If the warbase limit would increase to 500 , I can see a positive there. So I will do a positive vote with the increased warbase to 500 in mind.


Without those two votes, this would not have the 90% required.

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Posted on Sat Feb 02, 2013 14:14:18
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Actually the update was completely backed by the committee and I can see it being really successful.


Actually I can't see anywhere the committee agreeing, or even voting on the auto-NAP.
Maybe I'm not reading closely enough, but correct me if I'm wrong.
http://www.torn.com/committee.php?step=view&ID=48


I bet all of us would love to share that glorious view you seem to have, but as for what the respect farming is concerned, it's just not working. At most, it slowed it a bit, like when you halved the self busting gains. Maybe when you get your system working, you could slash the respect of some, wouldn't even be a precedent because you did set lvl 100 as maximum after some people had already passed it, and you downgraded others because of too much exp being gained through slut defends.

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Posted on Sat Feb 02, 2013 15:43:49
Where does this come from? I mean, the idea that it's feeble to change your mind once it's made up. That's a wrong idea, you know. Make up your mind about things, by all means - but if something happens to show that you are wrong, then it is feeble not to change your mind. Only the strongest people have the pluck to change their minds, and say so, if they see they have been wrong in their ideas.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" - John Maynard Keynes

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Posted on Sat Feb 02, 2013 21:04:50
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Its possible that they "stacked" some attacks on your faction.


So that's ment to explain how a faction can go 72 hours with no hits what so ever.


Apparently, factions can stack attacks. For example:

Faction A has 20 members.
Faction B has 40 members.

By the algorithm logic, this means that there only have to be 10 attacks made a day. If however Faction A hosps all 40 members, this would prolong the war for 4 days.

Hope that makes sense.


Faction Ninja has currently 35 members
Faction Ravage has currently 31 members

There was 72 hours (monitored by me) non combat followed by a total of nine attacks 1 from Ravage and 8 from Ninja there has
been another 48hrs and no further attacks from either side.

And yet a war that's been pretty active has failed!!

Surely there's a flaw in the algorithm or Is it because the faction we're fighting is in the top 100 or what??

This is very frustrating!!!



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Posted on Sat Feb 02, 2013 23:44:44
And another 12hrs go by without hit made from either side.... Seriously what's up with this algorithm??

Edit:- Sorry two hits from my faction...


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Posted on Sun Feb 03, 2013 15:13:16
Another 12hrs pass and no further hits.

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Posted on Sun Feb 03, 2013 20:25:10
12 hour updates are pointless when it's a daily cron.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 04:00:08
Immediately need the agreed upon faction member upgrade to 500, remove the faction activity limits and it would be great to have the flexibility to change the NAP during the automatic 31 day period to allow factions to redeclare if desired. We are all losing so much time and effort from these lost wars, you need to compensate us for the lost time, effort, energy and reinstate lost wars as they were period. The ease of these changes does not forgive - the need is paramount to reestablish trust for us all.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 08:53:57
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12 hour updates are pointless when it's a daily cron.


Huh, 12hrs or 72hrs updates matters not staff done little to investigate and action.
Incidentally that'll be 84hrs with only 2 attacks made.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:46:46
Since my bug report was closed, I'll just repeat the question:

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So far I haven't lost any other wars that had the required hits.
So yeah, that could be it.

But that war is out of my warbase.
Over 90% in a war involving energy stacking, points / FHC / cans use, not to mention the respect loss, is just wasted?


In other words .. Do I get my war back ?

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:17:29
By Passie [936578]
Since my bug report was closed, I'll just repeat the question:

By Passie [936578]
So far I haven't lost any other wars that had the required hits.
So yeah, that could be it.

But that war is out of my warbase.
Over 90% in a war involving energy stacking, points / FHC / cans use, not to mention the respect loss, is just wasted?


In other words .. Do I get my war back ?


I would not bet on it, Passie:

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I fixed a bug which was making the rules twice as strict as they were supposed to be.


So, do those wars get reinstated now with the numbers that we already had on them or are we out of respect bonus along all the coupons/cans/jobpoints that we used for additional energy?


I'm afraid not, that'd be incredibly difficult to do.


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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 20:20:02
106hrs two hits, war still in warbase. Seriously come on..

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