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Thread created on Sat Dec 24, 2011 17:36:51
Last replied to on Tue Dec 27, 2011 15:54:47
i had AQ other person had AT

board was something like K J 8 2 K

my queen should play but it didnt and torn split the pot

was at 1733 server time today ,


table details were

Name: Big__Als game
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Stakes: $5000000
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Spectators: 13
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Minimum money: $500000000
Maximum money: $9999999999
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i should get 238m (or there abouts)


thanks

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Posted on Sat Dec 24, 2011 18:35:27
Will be checked.

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Posted on Sat Dec 24, 2011 18:40:18
Wrote Hydr0, please wait for refund.

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Posted on Mon Dec 26, 2011 17:47:36
ok thanks ill wait

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Posted on Mon Dec 26, 2011 23:30:07
By Big__Al [1320173]
i had AQ other person had AT

board was something like K J 8 2 K


If you had A,Q, and other person had A,10
And the table reads as follows: K, J, 8, 2, K

Then neither of you won.

Best "hand" is pair of kings, which you both have. That means split pot.

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Posted on Mon Dec 26, 2011 23:33:16
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By Big__Al [1320173]
i had AQ other person had AT

board was something like K J 8 2 K


If you had A,Q, and other person had A,10
And the table reads as follows: K, J, 8, 2, K

Then neither of you won.

Best "hand" is pair of kings, which you both have. That means split pot.


This is true, the winning hand should be pair of Kings, Ace high. Both of you had this, both of you split the pot

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Posted on Mon Dec 26, 2011 23:34:47
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By Big__Al [1320173]
i had AQ other person had AT

board was something like K J 8 2 K


If you had A,Q, and other person had A,10
And the table reads as follows: K, J, 8, 2, K

Then neither of you won.

Best "hand" is pair of kings, which you both have. That means split pot.


You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, so why comment?

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By Big__Al [1320173]
i had AQ other person had AT

board was something like K J 8 2 K


If you had A,Q, and other person had A,10
And the table reads as follows: K, J, 8, 2, K

Then neither of you won.

Best "hand" is pair of kings, which you both have. That means split pot.


This is true, the winning hand should be pair of Kings, Ace high. Both of you had this, both of you split the pot


And you as well. Poker is determined by the best 5 card hand, you can count right? The only way that would be a split pot if the OP is incorrect and a second card was paired on the board beside the Ks

Last Edited: Mon Dec 26, 2011 23:40:26
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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 00:31:23
If you don't have a bug to report, don't post here.

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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 00:42:11
By willysw [1265093]
By XOR [743049]
By Big__Al [1320173]
i had AQ other person had AT

board was something like K J 8 2 K


If you had A,Q, and other person had A,10
And the table reads as follows: K, J, 8, 2, K

Then neither of you won.

Best "hand" is pair of kings, which you both have. That means split pot.


This is true, the winning hand should be pair of Kings, Ace high. Both of you had this, both of you split the pot


Sorry to go against what you've just said Passie.
But to clarify for the person above.
Big__Al won with a Pair of Kings and an Ace, Queen, Jack kicker.
Other random guy had a pair of Kings and an Ace Jack, Ten kicker.

Big__ Al should have won it all.

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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 00:54:37
By Passie_ [936578]
If you don't have a bug to report, don't post here.


My sincere apologies, I thought this was a public forum

http://www.torn.com/forums.php?forumID=4&ID=14168814


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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:37:11
By willysw [1265093]
By XOR [743049]
By Big__Al [1320173]
i had AQ other person had AT

board was something like K J 8 2 K


If you had A,Q, and other person had A,10
And the table reads as follows: K, J, 8, 2, K

Then neither of you won.

Best "hand" is pair of kings, which you both have. That means split pot.


This is true, the winning hand should be pair of Kings, Ace high. Both of you had this, both of you split the pot


this is so wrong its unbelievable if you dont know the rules of poker stay out of my f**king thread


the board wasnt double paired so my best 5 cards

where KKAQ8

his was KKAJ10

the queen plays so stop high jacking my thread wheny ou have no clue

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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:48:53
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, so why comment?


Because you have no idea. And you're wrong.

Here is a quote from wikipedia:
If two or more players remain after the final betting round, a showdown occurs. On the showdown, each player plays the best poker hand they can make from the seven cards comprising his two hole cards and the five community cards. A player may use both of his own two hole cards, only one, or none at all, to form his final five-card hand. If the five community cards form the player's best hand, then the player is said to be playing the board and can only hope to split the pot, because each other player can also use the same five cards to construct the same hand.


Basically put: Whatever hand can be made, whoever has the best set of 5 cards wins.

Now in your case, you had "highest hand value" - but if you look at the rankings, that's the worst hand to have.
But because you both had a PAIR, which is better than HIGH CARD, the outcome is split pot.

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By Passie_ [936578]
If you don't have a bug to report, don't post here.


Last I knew, the forums were open to everyone so anyone could help - though forum rules still applied (EG Trolling).

I thought I was helping by pointing out the fact that the OP is in fact wrong.


*Current message you are reading*
Big__Al says: stay out of my f**king thread when you clearly dont know the rules of poker ! you are incorrect in what you have said

poker is the best 5 cards , the board wasnt paired if it was it would of been split but it wasnt so go and learn the f**king rules
*Current message you are reading*


Please don't treat people like that. It's not very nice.

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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:39:43
you are talking utter garbage mate !!!

in texas holdem poker your best 5 cards win the pot !!!

i had a pair of Kings with AQJ

he had a pair of kings with AJ10


therefore i have the better hand , the board wasnt double pair so my Queen counts !!!


i repeat its not a split pot !!! according to your hand rankings !

this is last time im saying it

i had K K A Q J

he had K K A J 10

the Queen PLAYS !!!!
its not brain science , my queen plays against the 10

ill bet you as much as you like that i am correct and i can prove it

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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:45:11
Kickers take on special importance in Texas hold 'em, because a common winning hand is one card in a player's hand matched with a card on the board, while the player's second card acts as a kicker. For example, if one player holds A-8, a second player holds A-7, and the board is A-K-6-5-4, the player with the A-8 will outkick the player with the A-7, since A-8's best hand is A-A-K-8-6, while the A-7's hand is A-A-K-7-6. It's a small difference, but the 8 beats the 7. However, if the board held A-K-Q-J-3, the players would tie, because both would play the hand A-A-K-Q-J; in this case it is said that the players' kickers "don't play", or that the "kicker on the board plays". In this case, there would be a split pot.



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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:50:02
so in my hand

i have the cards AQ my opponent holds A10

the board runs out K J 8 2 K


so now both of us must make our best 5 card hand.

we both have 1 pair of kings

BUT

i have K - K - A - Q- J

my opponents has K-K-A-J-10

my queen "kicker" plays in this case and means i win the hand.


if you still dont accept this then you are clearly just being an ass , its the rules of poker , i have sent you 2 more examples by mail so that in future you dont try to hijack someones thread when you clearly have no idea on the rules of poker

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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 13:09:07
Okay, lets clarify for you.. okay? (OP = Other Person)

Board: K, J, 8, 2, K
You: A, Q
OP: A, 10

Both have the K, K pair from the table.
You both have ACE kickers.

The kicker is "The highest value card that does not count towards the winning hand".
In this instance: Ace.


Go read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_hold_%27em

And then take notes on how winners are determined.
Such as this:
Suppose the final card were the A, making the final board 8 Q 8 4 A. Bob and Carol still each have two pair (queens and eights), but both of them are now entitled to play the final ace as their fifth card, making their hands both two pair, queens and eights, with an ace kicker. Bob's king no longer plays, because the ace on the board plays as the fifth card in both hands, and a hand is only composed of the best five cards. They therefore tie and split the pot.


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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 13:58:38
By Big__Al [1320173]
you are talking utter garbage mate !!!

in texas holdem poker your best 5 cards win the pot !!!

i had a pair of Kings with AQJ

he had a pair of kings with AJ10


therefore i have the better hand , the board wasnt double pair so my Queen counts !!!


i repeat its not a split pot !!! according to your hand rankings !

this is last time im saying it

i had K K A Q J

he had K K A J 10

the Queen PLAYS !!!!
its not brain science , my queen plays against the 10

ill bet you as much as you like that i am correct and i can prove it


100% correct. As I also posted above about this.
People's ignorance is astounding..

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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 14:37:48
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Okay, lets clarify for you.. okay? (OP = Other Person)

Board: K, J, 8, 2, K
You: A, Q
OP: A, 10

Both have the K, K pair from the table.
You both have ACE kickers.

The kicker is "The highest value card that does not count towards the winning hand".
In this instance: Ace.


Go read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_hold_%27em

And then take notes on how winners are determined.
Such as this:
Suppose the final card were the A, making the final board 8 Q 8 4 A. Bob and Carol still each have two pair (queens and eights), but both of them are now entitled to play the final ace as their fifth card, making their hands both two pair, queens and eights, with an ace kicker. Bob's king no longer plays, because the ace on the board plays as the fifth card in both hands, and a hand is only composed of the best five cards. They therefore tie and split the pot.


no no no no no you dont comprehend

with only ONE pair i have an Ace queen kicker he has ace 10 kicker

the aces cance each other out so goes to the next kicker , which i have the Queen he has the 10 therefore i win.

if there was 2 pairs on the board its split as its the best 5 cards and only our aces would count. BUT there is only ONE pair here so the queen and the 10 come into play.

your example you posted is with regards to 2 pair , this is not a 2 pair situation only a 1 pair situation therefore the queen and the 10 plays.

im going to stop posting now because either you are just being a dick on purpose or you really cant read and understand something


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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 15:54:22
Fixed!

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Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2011 15:54:47
Stop posting in here unless its to do with a bug. Second time you have all been warned.

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