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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 16:44:05
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surprisingly this is the first i've heard of it. not surprising the media doesn't want to report it though.
if the situation's as severe as you describe, it sounds like were all, allready f**ked.


Really? It happened two years ago! This is just the ongoing situation relating to the damage caused by the earthquake/Tsunami.

Mind you, US news is very homefront-centric, so it wouldn't surprise me unduly that it doesn't get much coverage over there.

Although it's serious, it really is more of a domestic Japanese/SE Asian issue.


I got 2 jobs & 1 of em keeps me on call, so the hrs. i keep vary. The only news i hear about is usually what comes up on my Yahoo homepage. & if its a subject that interests me, I'll do a google search to read more about it. But you are rite about American news coverage.

Yea it sounds pretty damn serious. But from the way the o.p. is describing it, it sounds like it has the potential to migrate worldwide & become a lot more than just a S.E. Asian problem.

Im far from an expert on Nuclear physics. But shouldn't anytime a place like this is constructed ANYWHERE in the world, with the harmful potential radiation has. Should it not be fully investigated by the U.N. to ensure any & all measures to deter a catastrophic & potential worldwide disaster?

I get that S.E. Asia is taking the brunt of it. But with the way waters drift & seafood migrates, air molecules etc. Does it not have the potential to effect a lot more than just S.E. Asia ?

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 17:12:42
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surprisingly this is the first i've heard of it. not surprising the media doesn't want to report it though.
if the situation's as severe as you describe, it sounds like were all, allready f**ked.


Really? It happened two years ago! This is just the ongoing situation relating to the damage caused by the earthquake/Tsunami.

Mind you, US news is very homefront-centric, so it wouldn't surprise me unduly that it doesn't get much coverage over there.

Although it's serious, it really is more of a domestic Japanese/SE Asian issue.


I got 2 jobs & 1 of em keeps me on call, so the hrs. i keep vary. The only news i hear about is usually what comes up on my Yahoo homepage. & if its a subject that interests me, I'll do a google search to read more about it. But you are rite about American news coverage.

Yea it sounds pretty damn serious. But from the way the o.p. is describing it, it sounds like it has the potential to migrate worldwide & become a lot more than just a S.E. Asian problem.

Im far from an expert on Nuclear physics. But shouldn't anytime a place like this is constructed ANYWHERE in the world, with the harmful potential radiation has. Should it not be fully investigated by the U.N. to ensure any & all measures to deter a catastrophic & potential worldwide disaster?

I get that S.E. Asia is taking the brunt of it. But with the way waters drift & seafood migrates, air molecules etc. Does it not have the potential to effect a lot more than just S.E. Asia ?


Nuclear material is very dense, currents will be able to pick it up but as soon as it leaves strong currents it will sink. Unless it gets actively kicked up, there's little risk from it. Other than swimming in it, the only other thing that would give you a 'significant' chance of exposure is eating fish from those waters local to the leak.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 20:33:57
If everything that could go wrong did it would be a global disaster like the world has never seen.

As it is no matter where you are in world this could still affect your children's children.

Funny thing is we don't need nuclear power. So many problems with it its just not worth the risk.

We have the universes largest nuclear reactor in the sky right above our heads. With energy to spare. If only we could figure a way to go back in time and stop the greedy people selling us oil as the planets best fuel source and develop solar energy the world might just be a slightly better place..think of the relatives that have been lost in oil wars. Think of the hydrogen technology that has been suppressed by the oil people..
Did you know that America has over 100 of these type of reactors. And the whole world still hasn't figured a safe way to get rid of the spent nuclear fuel that they produce!!
So its like take the cheap energy but hey hang on what do we do with all this really bad stuff....hmmmmm. ..well its cheaper than oil so I'm sure we will find a way soon so just carry on.

We've fcuked This world, where next.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 20:43:30
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If everything that could go wrong did it would be a global disaster like the world has never seen.

As it is no matter where you are in world this could still affect your children's children.

Funny thing is we don't need nuclear power. So many problems with it its just not worth the risk.

We have the universes largest nuclear reactor in the sky right above our heads. With energy to spare. If only we could figure a way to go back in time and stop the greedy people sell us oil as the planets best fuel source and develop solar energy the world might just be a slightly better place..think of the relatives that have been post in oil wars. Think of the hydrogen technology that has been suppressed by the oil people..

We've fcuked This world, where next.


You'd need to pretty much cover the world in PV panels to replace all the other power sources currently used. Until solar technology develops a more efficient panel, it's just not viable at the moment as a replacement.

As regards Fukushima, no one denies it's serious, but most of the worst scaremongering is just overblown hyperbole from the anti-nuclear camp.

Nuclear power plants, sited properly, are still the best option for long term power generation at the moment.




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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 20:45:50
What's your answer about the nuclear byproducts

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 20:50:25
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What's your answer about the nuclear byproducts


Big, concrete lined holes, same as everyone else's answer. Not ideal, but it'll do.



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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 20:51:29
Most of the southern hemisphere could heat there water for free from the sun. But for 100 years we have been burning carbon based fuel to produce this. What affect would this have had on the planet if we had devoloped and allowed to devolop the tecNeeded

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 20:58:53
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surprisingly this is the first i've heard of it. not surprising the media doesn't want to report it though.
if the situation's as severe as you describe, it sounds like were all, allready f**ked.


Really? It happened two years ago! This is just the ongoing situation relating to the damage caused by the earthquake/Tsunami.

Mind you, US news is very homefront-centric, so it wouldn't surprise me unduly that it doesn't get much coverage over there.

Although it's serious, it really is more of a domestic Japanese/SE Asian issue.


I got 2 jobs & 1 of em keeps me on call, so the hrs. i keep vary. The only news i hear about is usually what comes up on my Yahoo homepage. & if its a subject that interests me, I'll do a google search to read more about it. But you are rite about American news coverage.

Yea it sounds pretty damn serious. But from the way the o.p. is describing it, it sounds like it has the potential to migrate worldwide & become a lot more than just a S.E. Asian problem.

Im far from an expert on Nuclear physics. But shouldn't anytime a place like this is constructed ANYWHERE in the world, with the harmful potential radiation has. Should it not be fully investigated by the U.N. to ensure any & all measures to deter a catastrophic & potential worldwide disaster?

I get that S.E. Asia is taking the brunt of it. But with the way waters drift & seafood migrates, air molecules etc. Does it not have the potential to effect a lot more than just S.E. Asia ?


Nuclear material is very dense, currents will be able to pick it up but as soon as it leaves strong currents it will sink. Unless it gets actively kicked up, there's little risk from it. Other than swimming in it, the only other thing that would give you a 'significant' chance of exposure is eating fish from those waters local to the leak.


Since were on the subject of "fish" & the harmful effects of "eating fish" that "migrated from polluted waters". I was watching a program a couple weeks ago about Vietnam & the effects today that spreading agent orange had & still has today on their environment.

To make a long story short, 40 yrs later & kids are still being born with abnormal mutations from "Eating the fish" that the parents consumed, while impregnated. & not just that, a lot of people there have been prone to high rate of cancer due to the chemical still being of high levels in there land & waters the use for everyday functions. crops, fishing, laundry etc.

I have no idea how agent orange compares to radiation, or if its related at all. BUT seeing as a milder chemical has had such tragic effects on Vietnams landscape well over 4 decades later. Would Japan not be looking at a similar but far worse scenario?

I got some fish the other day, & when i got home to put it in the freezer, i noticed it came from Vietnam. Needless to say i immediately threw it out. Don't care if its contaminated or not, I'll be damned if i eat it after what i seen on that program. But the concern i have is, How many things do we consume on a daily basis THAT DO migrate or come from highly polluted areas that we don't know about?

I don't mean to write Vietnam or Japan off my list of things im not willing to consume that came from that area. Im actually highly intrigued by Asian art & cultures. BUT, cancer allready runs high in both sides of my gene pool & I'll most likely catch it in some form or another 1 day anyways. But im certainly not in a hurry to speed the process up any.

For the sake of all of us, & mostly for those that have to live & play near there. I sincerely hope it can be as downplayed as you say. Its an awful shame that the people of Japan can't take a dip in there coastal waters for the next millenium, due to a man caused f**k up. Even more so if it could have been prevented with a lil more caution.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:00:51
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Most of the southern hemisphere could heat there water for free from the sun. But for 100 years we have been burning carbon based fuel to produce this. What affect would this have had on the planet if we had devoloped and allowed to devolop the tecNeeded


Not at night, it couldn't.

And we've been burning carbon based fuel for heating for a lot longer than 100 years. Closer to 400,000 years.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:02:02
How much further would solar tec be if we garment bought in to the oil propaganda.

You seam to advocate the use of the worlds most dangerous fuel technology but you have no answer to the problems it could and does cause when there is and has always been a free alternative..

We as a planet need to wake up to the fact that we have made a small number of the planets population very very rich and at the same time we have killed millions to keep them very rich.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:05:52
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Most of the southern hemisphere could heat there water for free from the sun. But for 100 years we have been burning carbon based fuel to produce this. What affect would this have had on the planet if we had devoloped and allowed to devolop the tecNeeded


Not at night, it couldn't.

And we've been burning carbon based fuel for heating for a lot longer than 100 years. Closer to 400,000 years.



I know our history and you know hot water can be stored overnight when insulated properly will on drop about 1

We could have chosen a different path is all I'm saying and now we use nuclear at our own risk and now that risk is coming true.


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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:05:55
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We as a planet need to wake up to the fact that we have made a small number of the planets population very very rich and at the same time we have killed millions to keep them very rich.


The sad part is, That will never change. As long as theres a profit to be made. there are those with money wiling to exploit it no matter the cost.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:12:07
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How much further would solar tec be if we garment bought in to the oil propaganda.

You seam to advocate the use of the worlds most dangerous fuel technology but you have no answer to the problems it could and does cause when there is and has always been a free alternative..

We as a planet need to wake up to the fact that we have made a small number of the planets population very very rich and at the same time we have killed millions to keep them very rich.


Historically, nuclear power is actually one of the safest forms of power generation.

If you want to talk dangerous, perhaps you should consider the deaths caused from the mining of the arsenic, Cadmium and all the other toxic chemicals needed to create Solar Cells?

I'm not particularly pro-nuclear, or anti-solar, just pragmatic and realistic. Solar tech just isn't efficient enough yet.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:14:44
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We as a planet need to wake up to the fact that we have made a small number of the planets population very very rich and at the same time we have killed millions to keep them very rich.


The sad part is, That will never change. As long as theres a profit to be made. there are those with money wiling to exploit it no matter the cost.


Funny when you think that billions of people are controlled by a few hundred thousand. And we swallow all there crap day in day out.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:19:47
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We as a planet need to wake up to the fact that we have made a small number of the planets population very very rich and at the same time we have killed millions to keep them very rich.


The sad part is, That will never change. As long as theres a profit to be made. there are those with money wiling to exploit it no matter the cost.


Funny when you think that billions of people are controlled by a few hundred thousand. And we swallow all there crap day in day out.


To be fair, most of those people need to be told what to do, because they're f**king idiots.

It's the reason why coffee cups have 'warning: hot' labels on.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:20:47
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How much further would solar tec be if we garment bought in to the oil propaganda.

You seam to advocate the use of the worlds most dangerous fuel technology but you have no answer to the problems it could and does cause when there is and has always been a free alternative..

We as a planet need to wake up to the fact that we have made a small number of the planets population very very rich and at the same time we have killed millions to keep them very rich.


Historically, nuclear power is actually one of the safest forms of power generation.

If you want to talk dangerous, perhaps you should consider the deaths caused from the mining of the arsenic, Cadmium and all the other toxic chemicals needed to create Solar Cells?

I'm not particularly pro-nuclear, or anti-solar, just pragmatic and realistic. Solar tech just isn't efficient enough yet.



Search water preheater. I've made one and it cost less than 100$ yet if it lasts 5 years it will save me 60% of my energy costs and I'm sure it will last 10 years. I'm plumber BTW so I have some understanding of this subject.



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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:30:46
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How much further would solar tec be if we garment bought in to the oil propaganda.

You seam to advocate the use of the worlds most dangerous fuel technology but you have no answer to the problems it could and does cause when there is and has always been a free alternative..

We as a planet need to wake up to the fact that we have made a small number of the planets population very very rich and at the same time we have killed millions to keep them very rich.


Historically, nuclear power is actually one of the safest forms of power generation.

If you want to talk dangerous, perhaps you should consider the deaths caused from the mining of the arsenic, Cadmium and all the other toxic chemicals needed to create Solar Cells?

I'm not particularly pro-nuclear, or anti-solar, just pragmatic and realistic. Solar tech just isn't efficient enough yet.



Search water preheater. I've made one and it cost less than 100$ yet if it lasts 5 years it will save me 60% of my energy costs and I'm sure it will last 10 years. I'm plumber BTW so I have some understanding of this subject.



Heating costs are way less than 60% of my bills, and I live in quite a large house. It's electricity that's in way more demand than some poxy cheap warm water.

Also, no idea where you live, but in the UK, I doubt a preheater would be that efficient, either.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:50:04
I didn't make myself clear.. I'm on my mobile so bear with me.
A water preheater can save up to 60% of the cost to heat your water normally. People in India are making them from old water tanks and some tube.
My point is that very simple measures can save massive amounts if done globally. This would in turn save the planets resources and prevent the need for us to use what could be planet ending technology.


What will we do when we are all living underground because we have contaminated the planets surface with cesuim and strontium. Which we didn't need to create in the first place.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 21:50:07
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How much further would solar tec be if we garment bought in to the oil propaganda.

You seam to advocate the use of the worlds most dangerous fuel technology but you have no answer to the problems it could and does cause when there is and has always been a free alternative..

We as a planet need to wake up to the fact that we have made a small number of the planets population very very rich and at the same time we have killed millions to keep them very rich.


Historically, nuclear power is actually one of the safest forms of power generation.

If you want to talk dangerous, perhaps you should consider the deaths caused from the mining of the arsenic, Cadmium and all the other toxic chemicals needed to create Solar Cells?

I'm not particularly pro-nuclear, or anti-solar, just pragmatic and realistic. Solar tech just isn't efficient enough yet.



Search water preheater. I've made one and it cost less than 100$ yet if it lasts 5 years it will save me 60% of my energy costs and I'm sure it will last 10 years. I'm plumber BTW so I have some understanding of this subject.



Heating costs are way less than 60% of my bills, and I live in quite a large house. It's electricity that's in way more demand than some poxy cheap warm water.

Also, no idea where you live, but in the UK, I doubt a preheater would be that efficient, either.


My house is 2200 sq. ft. and it's heated entirely from a Polaris water heater system. Granted it does take electric to power the airhandler to spread the heat through the duct work. But it does heat 80 gal. of water in roughly 12 mins. & is quite efficient compared to most on the market.

Since installing it 3 yrs. ago, My electric bill has went from roughly $400 a month, to $250. But i also don' turn the air conditioning on unless it's ungodly hot.

Since you obviously got some money to spare you mite wanna go with a Geothermal system. There quite efficient & cost reducing.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 22:01:43
I've gone off topic. The idea was to highlight the on going problem at Fukushima, most people don't even know there was an American naval ship in Japanese waters when the first reactor exploded. And that about 20 personnel were highly contaminated and now have on going medical issues

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 22:13:27
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I didn't make myself clear.. I'm on my mobile so bear with me.
A water preheater can save up to 60% of the cost to heat your water normally. People in India are making them from old water tanks and some tube.
My point is that very simple measures can save massive amounts if done globally. This would in turn save the planets resources and prevent the need for us to use what could be planet ending technology.


What will we do when we are all living underground because we have contaminated the planets surface with cesuim and strontium. Which we didn't need to create in the first place.


Since your in the Plumbing field, Whats your opinion on continuous flow water heaters & there efficiency rating?

I have a H.V.A.C. business i run on the side, from my normal job. All of the furnace,heatpump & aircondition systems produced today are to be 90 to 95% efficiency rating. For years the industry standard was R-22 refrigerant. But a few yrs. ago the industry quit producing systems that run off 22 refrigerant & have switched over to R 410A refrigerant systems. They claim the 410A is more efficient & environment friendly. BUT it heats at roughly 150 degrees higher than R-22, & is also more harmful for the tech to handle. & from asking the people who's systems i've replaced, They say there not seeing any difference in utility savings compared to the new & old system. Yes of course there happy to have a new system & not call someone like me out to replace something every month. But as far as savings, No one seems to be convinced that the new systems are saving them any $$.

Me i wouldn't know cause my aircondition still runs off of R-22. & like i said previously, i dont run it unless i absolutely have to.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 22:14:19
sry for going off topic. was just curious.

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Posted on Sat Aug 10, 2013 23:12:18
I think the biggest improvement in ac has been the introduction of inverter technology as it offers a substantial electrical saving. R410 is much better for the environment compared to r22 but I'm not sure if its any more efficient. I would have to do some research.

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Posted on Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:49:07
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I didn't make myself clear.. I'm on my mobile so bear with me.
A water preheater can save up to 60% of the cost to heat your water normally. People in India are making them from old water tanks and some tube.
My point is that very simple measures can save massive amounts if done globally. This would in turn save the planets resources and prevent the need for us to use what could be planet ending technology.


What will we do when we are all living underground because we have contaminated the planets surface with cesuim and strontium. Which we didn't need to create in the first place.


Frankly, I they were available, I'd install a reactor in my garden. All the free power and hot water I'll ever need. *That's* how much I trust nuclear power.

Screw the planet, I'm only going to be on it for the next 30 years or so.

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Posted on Sun Aug 11, 2013 18:54:56
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I didn't make myself clear.. I'm on my mobile so bear with me.
A water preheater can save up to 60% of the cost to heat your water normally. People in India are making them from old water tanks and some tube.
My point is that very simple measures can save massive amounts if done globally. This would in turn save the planets resources and prevent the need for us to use what could be planet ending technology.


What will we do when we are all living underground because we have contaminated the planets surface with cesuim and strontium. Which we didn't need to create in the first place.


Frankly, I they were available, I'd install a reactor in my garden. All the free power and hot water I'll ever need. *That's* how much I trust nuclear power.

Screw the planet, I'm only going to be on it for the next 30 years or so.


Clearly you don't have any kids. Not to be insulting, But its obvious why no one has wanted to go through that experience with you.

You say you have money & are a successful writer. Is life really that dis satisfying for you?

Not trying to be a dick, Just curious why your so bitter when success has smiled in your favor?

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Posted on Sun Aug 11, 2013 19:17:06
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Clearly you don't have any kids. Not to be insulting, But its obvious why no one has wanted to go through that experience with you.

You say you have money & are a successful writer. Is life really that dis satisfying for you?

Not trying to be a dick, Just curious why your so bitter when success has smiled in your favor?


Life's actually very satisfying. I, and my partner, are very much of the 'live life in the now' persuasion. I certainly wouldn't say I was bitter at anything in particular, apart from the stupidity of most of humanity.

My comment was fairly tongue-in-cheek, to be perfectly honest, but as far as it goes, no, neither of us has an interest in reproducing.



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Posted on Sun Aug 11, 2013 21:20:33
You should all be Rulers of the world.

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Posted on Sun Aug 11, 2013 22:27:51
great thing i dont eat fish

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Posted on Mon Aug 12, 2013 00:57:23
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great thing i dont eat fish



You breath don't you?
You walk outside?
You might even eat vegetables?

Contamination can get to you in a lot of ways.

The US is already seeing radiation spikes in the atmosphere directly linked to Fukishima.
You only need to ingest a minute particle and bingo 15 to 20 years later you develop a strange cancer.


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