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Thread created on Sun Nov 18, 2012 04:20:22
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So over the last few days the Israelis have been bombing Gaza heavily again, would appear Netanyahu is wanting to kill some more palestinians to improve his re-election campaign.
A couple of hours ago jumana aged 1 and tamer aged 3 were killed in the bombardment, but hey at least that's two less "terrorists" on the loose right?!
In the interest of impartiality I should note that three Israelis so far have been killed by retaliatory Palestinian rockets, and according to various sources an Israeli f-16 jet has also been shot down (If verified, is a huge victory for the resistance)
I would give the full number of Palestinian casualties, but it is hard to estimate, especially with bombs still being dropped as i speak.
For the ignorant:
"When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing... You can't defend yourself when you're militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defense. Call it what you like, it's not defense." ~ Noam Chomsky
And an interesting piece of trivia for you: More Israelis die from peanut allergies than Palestinian rockets.
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Strelok
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 20:55:44
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FOJKkLlih94
Listen to this till the end, a Palestinian talks the truth about hamas and the history of Israel/"Palestine".
BTW, the reason some people die in Gaza is because Hamas hides behind civilians, using them as meat shields.
Oh and Israel knows wheres the Hamas base/HQ is...
But they won't do anything about it because it's freaking underground under the main hospital of Gaza, and we lured out one of their leaders out by saying we are busy with some other stuff and he came out of there and our aircraft blowed him up.
Also do not forget that Israel supplies Gaza with everything they need and more; food, water and electricity, and even freaking medical treatment in this time of war[theres an article in the popular israeli news site called Ynet about them sending 80 trucks full of medical supplies to Gaza]
Also about the bullshit that you americans/people around the world eat from your media, look up "Pallywood" on youtube[it's old but shows how Hamas tries to make us look like the only guilty party in this] and look at this on 9gag[I know it's stupid to post it there but that's what one of my friends did, also try to ignore the "dead arabic is the only good arabic" part in it...most-ish people in Israel are extremists and support complete wiping out Gaza, civilians and terrorists]
http://9gag.com/gag/5862127
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MachineGunSteve
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 00:16:48
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Horrible whats going on over there.
All those 7 million Israelis should just start walking west, and walk right into the ocean. I mean, hell, it is their fault that they were born in a place surrounded by people who hate them for just being born. I mean the gall of those people, actually fighting back after they are attacked, stupid Israelis. How dare them using all available force at their disposal in retaliation for being attacked. God knows the good Palestinians would never use unnecessary force...
Every time a Palestinian lobs a rocket it is directed only to hit military targets, and every time the Israelis launch a counter attack it is directed at only civilian targets. Right? That is right, right?
What is the solution, Limetree? I mean we all know who's side you are on, but what is your solution? What is Noam (Marx) Chomsky's solution?
It is easy for you to pick the side of the Palestinians now that nearly 70 years has gone by, and it is the in vogue thing to do, but 70 years ago and more, it was the in vogue thing to support the creation of Zion, and we all see where that got us, so now that the deed has been done, and the dye has been cast, what it the constructive solution to the problem, professor?
Again, I wait with anxious anticipation for your solution to this vexing problem.
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Regime
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 00:43:37
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All i can say atm. is f";k anyone who talks to me about human rights and shit where is the human rights now when 1 year old children are being bombed by aircrafts, it doesnt work in isreal or sth?? or it just serves countries with oil(Lybia) and strategic importance(syria)??, and israelis are still talking about terrorism while they are terrorists themselves, and still more israelis have the guts to say they are fighting Hamas (which is a resistance not terrorists).
Aircrafts and tanks (ignoring the technology here) VS Home made missles which isreal can put down pretty easily and they call Gaza strip a threat, what astonishes me here is how the hell can they call that a threat and hit them with such force and actually at the same time they are thinking about hitting Iran single handedly.
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LimeTree
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 00:49:02
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By Strelok [1162052]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FOJKkLlih94
Listen to this till the end, a Palestinian talks the truth about hamas and the history of Israel/"Palestine". |
I turned it off after four minutes, it's not what you said it was, it's a man telling you you're looking at Hamas and telling you what they're doing. He could be right, though I doubt it, and there's no evidence offered. Shall we start posting IDF videos though, show what the brave Israeli troops get up to?
| BTW, the reason some people die in Gaza is because Hamas hides behind civilians, using them as meat shields. |
No, the reason people die in Gaza is because you drop bombs on them. On schools, and homes and hospitals. You can't bomb the house of a Hamas soldier and then claim he was using his baby children as a meat shield afterwards.
| Also do not forget that Israel supplies Gaza with everything they need and more; food, water and electricity, and even freaking medical treatment in this time of war[theres an article in the popular israeli news site called Ynet about them sending 80 trucks full of medical supplies to Gaza] |
Utter nonsense. You have a blockade against you halfwit, that's why everything comes via Israel. The water supplies have effectively been stolen by Israel (see their policy of taking over water sources), and only a tiny percentage is allocated to the palestinians. You limit their calorie intake, you deprive them of medical supplies. You even have check points which stop ambulances from going to hospitals. And the electricity aint on very much, is it?
PS: None of this is relevant, you can't steal land and kill people and use the excuse that it's ok because you gave them a little bit of food and medical supplies afterwards. I'm sure that makes up for it.
Also about the bullshit that you americans/people around the world eat from your media, look up "Pallywood" on youtube[it's old but shows how Hamas tries to make us look like the only guilty party in this] and look at this on 9gag[I know it's stupid to post it there but that's what one of my friends did, also try to ignore the "dead arabic is the only good arabic" part in it...most-ish people in Israel are extremists and support complete wiping out Gaza, civilians and terrorists]
http://9gag.com/gag/5862127[/quote]
I'm not American, but you're right they are fed bullshit. You're wrong about the content though, it is primarily zionist bullshit.
You're also right that most people in Israel are extremists and do support committing genocide. Hence why your country is committing genocide.
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 00:52:01
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Every time a Palestinian lobs a rocket it is directed only to hit military targets, and every time the Israelis launch a counter attack it is directed at only civilian targets. Right? That is right, right? |
wrong. obviously Israel is targeting young kids so they won't grow up to fight back.
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Regime
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 00:56:01
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| Also do not forget that Israel supplies Gaza with everything they need and more; food, water and electricity, and even freaking medical treatment in this time of war[theres an article in the popular israeli news site called Ynet about them sending 80 trucks full of medical supplies to Gaza] |
LOL i pity you guys, getting brainwashed like that. apart from the blockade this is not even realistic you know it's like ''ok i killed your child here is some medical supplies if the other got injured not killed''
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LimeTree
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 01:05:37
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Horrible whats going on over there.
All those 7 million Israelis should just start walking west, and walk right into the ocean. I mean, hell, it is their fault that they were born in a place surrounded by people who hate them for just being born. I mean the gall of those people, actually fighting back after they are attacked, stupid Israelis. How dare them using all available force at their disposal in retaliation for being attacked. God knows the good Palestinians would never use unnecessary force... |
The entire population of Israel was not born in Israel. All you have to do is be Jewish and you may claim citizenship. Palestinians on the other hand, who were actually born there and whose families have lived their for generations, are denied the right of return.
You seem to be confused, Israel is not retaliating, Israel is the aggressor. Please consult the map and see which side is continuously stealing land? Israel has tanks and planes, Palestine has some shitty rockets (which as I've mentioned, they struggle to kill anyone with), but yeah it's totally the Israelis in danger.
Every time a Palestinian lobs a rocket it is directed only to hit military targets, and every time the Israelis launch a counter attack it is directed at only civilian targets. Right? That is right, right?[quote]
Did I say this? No, no I did not.
[quote]What is the solution, Limetree? I mean we all know who's side you are on, but what is your solution? What is Noam (Marx) Chomsky's solution?
It is easy for you to pick the side of the Palestinians now that nearly 70 years has gone by, and it is the in vogue thing to do, but 70 years ago and more, it was the in vogue thing to support the creation of Zion, and we all see where that got us, so now that the deed has been done, and the dye has been cast, what it the constructive solution to the problem, professor? |
As for the overall solution, it's not exactly my place to say obviously. The matter really is up to the Palestinians as to whether they would be willing to accept a two state solution with the 48 borders. But everyone who knows a thing about Israel knows that they will not be giving anything back to Palestine, it is Israel not Palestine blocking the peace. Maybe if they could stop their illegal settlement constructions for the duration of the negotiations things could at least get a chance?
But I think my lack of solution is irrelevant, I am not making a thread telling them what to do I am making a thread to try and raise awareness of the atrocities being committed by Israel.
As for that bullshit about me picking the "side of the Palestinians" due to it being popular?? (lmfao), here's a quote to help you better understand my position:
"I'm not a supporter of the "Palestinian Cause" and whatever emotional baggage and preconceived (and probably false information) that you/or others have attached to that label.
I am a supporter of human rights. I'm not a supporter of just one people, but all people who are oppressed and who have been "given" land to live on by someone else who took the rest of it. That's a very familiar story to myself and other Indigenous and African people. And truth be told.
If it was the Israeli's living in constantly shrinking, modern concentration camps, and it was the Palestinians with the massive troop & tank armaments. If it was Jewish culture being demonized and horribly misrepresented EVERYDAY in the media here just to affect this struggles outcome, while Palestinians received hardly any criticism for their actions. If the Palestinians were the ones with the High-Tech-SAM, Foreign bought Airforce, State of the Art Communications, OVER 100 Nuclear Missiles, Billions in Aid, AND...several first world powers as compliant allies. Then, I would be in on the "side" of the people who were oppressed.
I know why this conflict is happening. Someone got their hand slapped. They wanted to attack Iran, and China said no, Russia said no, and even Big Brother USA, said...no. So rather than looking soft and impotent, Netanyahu picked a target that they could flex their airpower and weaponry at. The sad truth is that there is constant amount of what is described as "low level" violence at that border. And the news only talks it up when it really flares and lots of people die. But people die everyday there."
As we already know, you know nothing about what is going on there, so please take your sarcastic questions and your nonsense elsewhere. Have a nice day. (:
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 13:24:41
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Horrible whats going on over there.
All those 7 million Israelis should just start walking west, and walk right into the ocean. I mean, hell, it is their fault that they were born in a place surrounded by people who hate them for just being born. I mean the gall of those people, actually fighting back after they are attacked, stupid Israelis. How dare them using all available force at their disposal in retaliation for being attacked. God knows the good Palestinians would never use unnecessary force... |
The entire population of Israel was not born in Israel. All you have to do is be Jewish and you may claim citizenship. Palestinians on the other hand, who were actually born there and whose families have lived their for generations, are denied the right of return.
You seem to be confused, Israel is not retaliating, Israel is the aggressor. Please consult the map and see which side is continuously stealing land? Israel has tanks and planes, Palestine has some shitty rockets (which as I've mentioned, they struggle to kill anyone with), but yeah it's totally the Israelis in danger.
Every time a Palestinian lobs a rocket it is directed only to hit military targets, and every time the Israelis launch a counter attack it is directed at only civilian targets. Right? That is right, right?[quote]
Did I say this? No, no I did not.
[quote]What is the solution, Limetree? I mean we all know who's side you are on, but what is your solution? What is Noam (Marx) Chomsky's solution?
It is easy for you to pick the side of the Palestinians now that nearly 70 years has gone by, and it is the in vogue thing to do, but 70 years ago and more, it was the in vogue thing to support the creation of Zion, and we all see where that got us, so now that the deed has been done, and the dye has been cast, what it the constructive solution to the problem, professor? |
As for the overall solution, it's not exactly my place to say obviously. The matter really is up to the Palestinians as to whether they would be willing to accept a two state solution with the 48 borders. But everyone who knows a thing about Israel knows that they will not be giving anything back to Palestine, it is Israel not Palestine blocking the peace. Maybe if they could stop their illegal settlement constructions for the duration of the negotiations things could at least get a chance?
But I think my lack of solution is irrelevant, I am not making a thread telling them what to do I am making a thread to try and raise awareness of the atrocities being committed by Israel.
As for that bullshit about me picking the "side of the Palestinians" due to it being popular?? (lmfao), here's a quote to help you better understand my position:
"I'm not a supporter of the "Palestinian Cause" and whatever emotional baggage and preconceived (and probably false information) that you/or others have attached to that label.
I am a supporter of human rights. I'm not a supporter of just one people, but all people who are oppressed and who have been "given" land to live on by someone else who took the rest of it. That's a very familiar story to myself and other Indigenous and African people. And truth be told.
If it was the Israeli's living in constantly shrinking, modern concentration camps, and it was the Palestinians with the massive troop & tank armaments. If it was Jewish culture being demonized and horribly misrepresented EVERYDAY in the media here just to affect this struggles outcome, while Palestinians received hardly any criticism for their actions. If the Palestinians were the ones with the High-Tech-SAM, Foreign bought Airforce, State of the Art Communications, OVER 100 Nuclear Missiles, Billions in Aid, AND...several first world powers as compliant allies. Then, I would be in on the "side" of the people who were oppressed.
I know why this conflict is happening. Someone got their hand slapped. They wanted to attack Iran, and China said no, Russia said no, and even Big Brother USA, said...no. So rather than looking soft and impotent, Netanyahu picked a target that they could flex their airpower and weaponry at. The sad truth is that there is constant amount of what is described as "low level" violence at that border. And the news only talks it up when it really flares and lots of people die. But people die everyday there."
As we already know, you know nothing about what is going on there, so please take your sarcastic questions and your nonsense elsewhere. Have a nice day. (: |
No Limetree, I know plenty about what is going on there. The same is going on there that goes on everywhere on earth where there are at least two groups who are unable, unwilling, and unlikely to compromise... killing is happening. I do agree that the killing is disproportionatly happening to one side, at the hands of the other side, but I am not willing to support one cause over the other in this mash up, and regardless of your high-and-mighty, holier-than-thou airs, and your snotty disposition, and your lamentations to the contrary, I don't think you really give a rats ass what happens over there. All you want to do is sound high and mighty, and be an arm chair warrior from afar, and spout platitudes, and opinions that cost you nothing, because you have no skin in the game, Limetree.
A typical twenty something, western whiner. Wring your hands, Limey, and protest the annihilation of a people. Post your whaling rants in a silly text based game, and do nothing else about it.
Grow a pair, Limey. Grow a pair. If you feel so passionately about the wrong that is going on in that region, then take up arms, and become a freedom fighter. At least you would feel better about yourself, because it is obvious that you don't feel good now.
Do you?
News flash for you... we all have internet access, Limetree. We really don't need you posting topics like this in a game that some of us come to to get away from thinking about this crap that can't be fixed. So stop pretending to be the Nightly News, with Walter Cronkite.
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 14:10:20
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no carl no...
i censored me sen.
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 15:20:14
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By LimeTree [1321200]
But I think my lack of solution is irrelevant, I am not making a thread telling them what to do I am making a thread to try and raise awareness of the atrocities being committed by Israel. |
Thanks. If it wasn't for your efforts, nobody would know about the conflict that's been on the news almost 24/7 since it started. Oh wait.
Though I do feel for those who are being affected, whether it be Israel or Palestine, there's nothing I can do about it. All I can do from my arm chair is sit back and watch the world go to hell in a damn hand basket.
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LimeTree
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 16:56:17
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By joeykickdoors [1362446]
By LimeTree [1321200]
But I think my lack of solution is irrelevant, I am not making a thread telling them what to do I am making a thread to try and raise awareness of the atrocities being committed by Israel. |
Thanks. If it wasn't for your efforts, nobody would know about the conflict that's been on the news almost 24/7 since it started. Oh wait.
Though I do feel for those who are being affected, whether it be Israel or Palestine, there's nothing I can do about it. All I can do from my arm chair is sit back and watch the world go to hell in a damn hand basket. |
It hasn't been on the news 24/7 for the last hundred years, but yeh it has gotten a lot of attention the last few days.
You'd be surprised how ignorant most people still are about it though, the media does not represent the reality of the situation.
Lol @ Steve resorting to insults.
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Posted on Mon Nov 19, 2012 17:07:10
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By joeykickdoors [1362446]
By LimeTree [1321200]
But I think my lack of solution is irrelevant, I am not making a thread telling them what to do I am making a thread to try and raise awareness of the atrocities being committed by Israel. |
Thanks. If it wasn't for your efforts, nobody would know about the conflict that's been on the news almost 24/7 since it started. Oh wait.
Though I do feel for those who are being affected, whether it be Israel or Palestine, there's nothing I can do about it. All I can do from my arm chair is sit back and watch the world go to hell in a damn hand basket. |
It hasn't been on the news 24/7 for the last hundred years, but yeh it has gotten a lot of attention the last few days.
You'd be surprised how ignorant most people still are about it though, the media does not represent the reality of the situation.
Lol @ Steve resorting to insults. |
Lol @ Limey... just in general.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 08:31:35
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Both sides are being stupid. Netanyahu is a warmonger just looking for excuses do start shit before an election and the Palestinians (Hamas specifically) are giving him exactly what he wants by shooting off rockets that are completely ineffective and barely do anything anyways.
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LimeTree
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 17:22:04
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By TedThomas [887131]
Both sides are being stupid. Netanyahu is a warmonger just looking for excuses do start shit before an election and the Palestinians (Hamas specifically) are giving him exactly what he wants by shooting off rockets that are completely ineffective and barely do anything anyways. |
I agree with everything you said there except the rockets barely doing anything. You must take into account the effect on the israeli economy of disrupting the work days to make them all stop and take cover, as well as the psychological reasons (both in giving the israelis a very small taste of what they suffer, as well as obviously a psychological booster for themselves in being able to actually retaliate (however ineffective), and not just sitting their to die..)
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 17:26:11
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Hmm they fire the rockets wherever,near schools ect..some dont go up and blow themselves up instead...and whoever happens to be close at the time..barely do nothing?
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 17:35:50
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By PopadaPill [900338]
Hmm they fire the rockets wherever,near schools ect..some dont go up and blow themselves up instead...and whoever happens to be close at the time..barely do nothing? |
The damage from one of their longest range rockets ^^, vv
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 18:10:47
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Who the hell cares if the Palestinians are firing shit rockets or smart bombs?
Why the hell are the Palestinians firing rockets at all? Answer, because the position of the Palestinian leadership has been since 1947 the same... a war of annihilation against the Jews.
So the Palestinians launch shit rockets, and the Jews respond with superior weapons. The Palestinians sit back and wait for the western media to show up and take pictures of dead Palestinian children, and hope that the opinion of the world shifts in their favor, which essentially means that the Palestinians are killing their own children, as they know full well what the response will be by the Jews.
When one side begins conflict resolution with violence, they should expect nothing less than a disproportionate response.
Should the state of Israel have been allowed to be created in Palestine? Probably not. But it was. The Israelis offered peace from the beginning, and were promptly attacked by Arab nations hell bent on total annihilation.
And here we are nearly 70 years later, still bickering over it... like there is a solution. Like there really is a right or wrong. Like there has not been mistakes and crimes on both sides...
Seems silly to me.
And you know what is even more silly, and scary, and really sucks? All those bombs and rockets are doing is killing kids on both sides, and the kids on both sides they don't kill are just learning to continue to hate, and to keep fighting the same old silly war... on and on, and on and on, and so on and so forth.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 18:24:33
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By E14-SOLIDER [430960]
wait so its okay for the jews to break every UN law and they are yet seen as the victims? how many times can the UN condem their attacks? the jews hit a media building knowning it will be full of people they bombed a building but it had the wrong family in it and nearly wiping out the whole family? what fualt did they all do? all those that are sucking on the balls of the jews fail to see what the jews do call me anti semitic f**k the jews!
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I could have annihilated all the Jews, but I left some of them to let you know why I was Annihilating them.
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The Jews have broken "every UN law? Really?
Thank you for proving my point... continue to hate. It has obviously worked out well for you so far.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 18:56:23
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Who the hell cares if the Palestinians are firing shit rockets or smart bombs?
Why the hell are the Palestinians firing rockets at all? Answer, because the position of the Palestinian leadership has been since 1947 the same... a war of annihilation against the Jews. |
I care? As I'm smart enough to see the difference? Sure, they're both attempts at death and destruction, but on a totally different scale.
Yes some parts of Hamas call for the complete destruction of Israel (not the Jewish people, idiot, a lot of Jews actually support the destruction of the state of Israel as IT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGION). And the position of the Israeli leadership from the beginning has been the annihilation of Palestine and it's people, so no surprise they fight back huh?
| So the Palestinians launch shit rockets, and the Jews respond with superior weapons. The Palestinians sit back and wait for the western media to show up and take pictures of dead Palestinian children, and hope that the opinion of the world shifts in their favor, which essentially means that the Palestinians are killing their own children, as they know full well what the response will be by the Jews. |
You suggest Israel retaliate from a position of self defence, as I have already pointed out an occupying force cannot defend of retaliate, it is the aggressor.
| When one side begins conflict resolution with violence, they should expect nothing less than a disproportionate response. |
What else would you have them do? The UN cannot help because the US will not allow anything to happen to Israel, as zionists control the US economy.
They have tried to have several peace talks, yet Israel does not stop stealing land and building illegal settlements, and kills those who try to protect their homes.
Of course Palestinians will resort to violence, only a moron like you could ask them to sit in silence while they are wiped off the earth.
| Should the state of Israel have been allowed to be created in Palestine? Probably not. But it was. The Israelis offered peace from the beginning, and were promptly attacked by Arab nations hell bent on total annihilation. |
No, Israel was never for peace. Zionists had expelled 250,000 palestinians before israel even existed as a state. You call that peace? Or perhaps the pre-emptive strikes in those wars were for peace? Or perhaps the constant land stealing and new settlements are for peace? Of the blockade which stops palestinians getting basic necessities? Hell, they're even prepared to murder any foreigner that tries to break the blockade in order to bring through food or medicine or building supplies. This is not peace, it is not even a war (Palestine has no army, no nothing), it's f**king genocide.
And here we are nearly 70 years later, still bickering over it... like there is a solution. Like there really is a right or wrong. Like there has not been mistakes and crimes on both sides...
Seems silly to me.
And you know what is even more silly, and scary, and really sucks? All those bombs and rockets are doing is killing kids on both sides, and the kids on both sides they don't kill are just learning to continue to hate, and to keep fighting the same old silly war... on and on, and on and on, and so on and so forth. |
You're right, it is a great tragedy that so many die (vast majority palestinian, how many israeli kids are dying f**kwit?), but you describe the conflict as though it is even. This is what the corporate media has presented you with, and this is what you've been conditioned to think. This is not the case, and so long as you think it you will sit back on the fence pretending it's equal and there's nothing we can do while Israel erases Palestine and the Palestinians from the face of the earth.
Thanks for another attempt as sharing your great wisdom with us, but I mean if I wanna read this sort of bullshit I'll just go to BBC news, so please feel free to not waste my time posting again.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 19:01:48
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
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wait so its okay for the jews to break every UN law and they are yet seen as the victims? how many times can the UN condem their attacks? the jews hit a media building knowning it will be full of people they bombed a building but it had the wrong family in it and nearly wiping out the whole family? what fualt did they all do? all those that are sucking on the balls of the jews fail to see what the jews do call me anti semitic f**k the jews!
words from adolf hitler
I could have annihilated all the Jews, but I left some of them to let you know why I was Annihilating them.
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The Jews have broken "every UN law? Really?
Thank you for proving my point... continue to hate. It has obviously worked out well for you so far.
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I believe he is talking about the numerous UN resolutions Israel has broken (more than any other country).
Israel is currently bombing babies, it can be difficult for those who actually have a clue (unlike yourself) to remain calm while watching babies be murdered.
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What was the rocket called that blew a hole in that house? Fajr-5? Quassam?
What is weird is when you look up these rockets, almost all the results give different answers - From a 75kg warhead to 200kg (chemical weapons capable)warhead. Compared to a 453kg Israeli smart bomb they are extremely ineffective.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 19:58:39
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Who the hell cares if the Palestinians are firing shit rockets or smart bombs?
Why the hell are the Palestinians firing rockets at all? Answer, because the position of the Palestinian leadership has been since 1947 the same... a war of annihilation against the Jews.
So the Palestinians launch shit rockets, and the Jews respond with superior weapons. The Palestinians sit back and wait for the western media to show up and take pictures of dead Palestinian children, and hope that the opinion of the world shifts in their favor, which essentially means that the Palestinians are killing their own children, as they know full well what the response will be by the Jews.
When one side begins conflict resolution with violence, they should expect nothing less than a disproportionate response.
Should the state of Israel have been allowed to be created in Palestine? Probably not. But it was. The Israelis offered peace from the beginning, and were promptly attacked by Arab nations hell bent on total annihilation.
And here we are nearly 70 years later, still bickering over it... like there is a solution. Like there really is a right or wrong. Like there has not been mistakes and crimes on both sides...
Seems silly to me.
And you know what is even more silly, and scary, and really sucks? All those bombs and rockets are doing is killing kids on both sides, and the kids on both sides they don't kill are just learning to continue to hate, and to keep fighting the same old silly war... on and on, and on and on, and so on and so forth. |
A war of annihilation is kind of hard to have when your best weapon is rockets that basically have to hit you in the head to kill you...
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In 1947, the U.N. voted to partition the British Mandate of Palestine, in light of its recognition that both Jews and Arabs had legitimate claims to the land. The proposed partition included three areas: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationally administered zone in Jerusalem. The Jewish population accepted, and reaffirmed their intention to coexist peacefully with the Arabs living in the area; the Arab population refused, and responded with riots and violence.
In 1948 Israel Declared itself a state.
From the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel:
"WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."
Arab countries responded by launching a war of annihilation on the newborn state. Decades later, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas acknowledged the Arab refusal to accept the 1947 partition plan as a "mistake".
Limetree... you ask the question: "how many israeli kids are dying f**kwit?"
My answer: One kid is too many. The way I see it is that if the Palestinians don't want their kids killed in retaliation, then they should stop killing any and all Israeli kids.
Seems pretty simple to me. But, I am sure you will continue with your nonsense about how much more righteous the Palestinians are, and how their efforts are only a response to the evils of the Israelis, who were only responding to the evils of the Palestinians, who only want the complete annihilation of the State of Israel... etc., etc., etc.
Have at it Limetree. I am up for another good laugh.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 20:14:29
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By TedThomas [887131]
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Who the hell cares if the Palestinians are firing shit rockets or smart bombs?
Why the hell are the Palestinians firing rockets at all? Answer, because the position of the Palestinian leadership has been since 1947 the same... a war of annihilation against the Jews.
So the Palestinians launch shit rockets, and the Jews respond with superior weapons. The Palestinians sit back and wait for the western media to show up and take pictures of dead Palestinian children, and hope that the opinion of the world shifts in their favor, which essentially means that the Palestinians are killing their own children, as they know full well what the response will be by the Jews.
When one side begins conflict resolution with violence, they should expect nothing less than a disproportionate response.
Should the state of Israel have been allowed to be created in Palestine? Probably not. But it was. The Israelis offered peace from the beginning, and were promptly attacked by Arab nations hell bent on total annihilation.
And here we are nearly 70 years later, still bickering over it... like there is a solution. Like there really is a right or wrong. Like there has not been mistakes and crimes on both sides...
Seems silly to me.
And you know what is even more silly, and scary, and really sucks? All those bombs and rockets are doing is killing kids on both sides, and the kids on both sides they don't kill are just learning to continue to hate, and to keep fighting the same old silly war... on and on, and on and on, and so on and so forth. |
A war of annihilation is kind of hard to have when your best weapon is rockets that basically have to hit you in the head to kill you... |
Complete and utter nonsense, Ted. And you know it. The Palestinians are killing Israelis, period. It doesn't matter how. Force is usually always answered with force, and the answers always escalate. I am not condoning it, but it is to be expected, and as such it can be avoided.
Also, the point is that the Arabs have had no interest in a negotiated peace... ever.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 20:30:45
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
In 1947, the U.N. voted to partition the British Mandate of Palestine, in light of its recognition that both Jews and Arabs had legitimate claims to the land. The proposed partition included three areas: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationally administered zone in Jerusalem. The Jewish population accepted, and reaffirmed their intention to coexist peacefully with the Arabs living in the area; the Arab population refused, and responded with riots and violence.
In 1948 Israel Declared itself a state.
From the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel:
"WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."
Arab countries responded by launching a war of annihilation on the newborn state. Decades later, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas acknowledged the Arab refusal to accept the 1947 partition plan as a "mistake".
Limetree... you ask the question: "how many israeli kids are dying f**kwit?"
My answer: One kid is too many. The way I see it is that if the Palestinians don't want their kids killed in retaliation, then they should stop killing any and all Israeli kids.
Seems pretty simple to me. But, I am sure you will continue with your nonsense about how much more righteous the Palestinians are, and how their efforts are only a response to the evils of the Israelis, who were only responding to the evils of the Palestinians, who only want the complete annihilation of the State of Israel... etc., etc., etc.
Have at it Limetree. I am up for another good laugh. |
Jews have no claim to the land, just as I have no claim to any land my ancestors lived in. Besides, the majority of ancestors of Jews living their now actually never lived there, they descend from a group of people who converted for political reasons. UN may have come to that false conclusion, but as we know the UN is not the voice of the world, it is the voice of the UK/US.
It should also be noted, that the Torah itself forbids them living in the state of israel, hence why real Jews(those who actually follow the religion) also protest against Israels existence.
Yes that's a pretty little speech, it however was a lie. I don't think you understand what the zionists had planned the entire time. I don't think you understand the role of Mossad. In fact, as I've said before, I don't think you have a clue about the entire situation.
I agree though, a world in which the 48 borders were recognised by all sides would have been nice in contrast to war, shame we can't live in hypothetical worlds. This however still would have been hugely unfair to the palestinians (Imagine that the entire east coast of the united states was given to a religious group, how the f**k would you feel? I highly doubt you'd just accept it. Israel should not exist, should never have existed. If Jews want to live in the holy land, they should have lived in Palestine, like many did before the zionists got their way. If I was to suggest a Christian state, or a white only state, most people would complain and rightfully tell me that I'm a racist bigot. But apparently a Jewish state totally justified. PS: Did you support apartheid in South Africa as strongly as you support Apartheid in Israel and Palestine?
One Israeli child would be too many, but when was the last time an Israel child was killed by a Palestinian? Do you even know?
You can't watch Israel massacre hundreds and thousands and then point to a token wounded Israeli to justify it, or dare to suggest that the situation is equal. Israel is an occupying force, nothing they can do can be classed as self defence or retaliation as they are the aggressor, why won't that sink into your head?
Anyway that's me done replying to your bullshit, we established long ago that you were a lost cause.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 20:32:26
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
By TedThomas [887131]
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Who the hell cares if the Palestinians are firing shit rockets or smart bombs?
Why the hell are the Palestinians firing rockets at all? Answer, because the position of the Palestinian leadership has been since 1947 the same... a war of annihilation against the Jews.
So the Palestinians launch shit rockets, and the Jews respond with superior weapons. The Palestinians sit back and wait for the western media to show up and take pictures of dead Palestinian children, and hope that the opinion of the world shifts in their favor, which essentially means that the Palestinians are killing their own children, as they know full well what the response will be by the Jews.
When one side begins conflict resolution with violence, they should expect nothing less than a disproportionate response.
Should the state of Israel have been allowed to be created in Palestine? Probably not. But it was. The Israelis offered peace from the beginning, and were promptly attacked by Arab nations hell bent on total annihilation.
And here we are nearly 70 years later, still bickering over it... like there is a solution. Like there really is a right or wrong. Like there has not been mistakes and crimes on both sides...
Seems silly to me.
And you know what is even more silly, and scary, and really sucks? All those bombs and rockets are doing is killing kids on both sides, and the kids on both sides they don't kill are just learning to continue to hate, and to keep fighting the same old silly war... on and on, and on and on, and so on and so forth. |
A war of annihilation is kind of hard to have when your best weapon is rockets that basically have to hit you in the head to kill you... |
Complete and utter nonsense, Ted. And you know it. The Palestinians are killing Israelis, period. It doesn't matter how. Force is usually always answered with force, and the answers always escalate. I am not condoning it, but it is to be expected, and as such it can be avoided.
Also, the point is that the Arabs have had no interest in a negotiated peace... ever.
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More Israelis die from peanut allergies than Palestinian rockets. Perhaps you will label peanuts blood thirsty terrorists next.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 20:38:36
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
By TedThomas [887131]
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Who the hell cares if the Palestinians are firing shit rockets or smart bombs?
Why the hell are the Palestinians firing rockets at all? Answer, because the position of the Palestinian leadership has been since 1947 the same... a war of annihilation against the Jews.
So the Palestinians launch shit rockets, and the Jews respond with superior weapons. The Palestinians sit back and wait for the western media to show up and take pictures of dead Palestinian children, and hope that the opinion of the world shifts in their favor, which essentially means that the Palestinians are killing their own children, as they know full well what the response will be by the Jews.
When one side begins conflict resolution with violence, they should expect nothing less than a disproportionate response.
Should the state of Israel have been allowed to be created in Palestine? Probably not. But it was. The Israelis offered peace from the beginning, and were promptly attacked by Arab nations hell bent on total annihilation.
And here we are nearly 70 years later, still bickering over it... like there is a solution. Like there really is a right or wrong. Like there has not been mistakes and crimes on both sides...
Seems silly to me.
And you know what is even more silly, and scary, and really sucks? All those bombs and rockets are doing is killing kids on both sides, and the kids on both sides they don't kill are just learning to continue to hate, and to keep fighting the same old silly war... on and on, and on and on, and so on and so forth. |
A war of annihilation is kind of hard to have when your best weapon is rockets that basically have to hit you in the head to kill you... |
Complete and utter nonsense, Ted. And you know it. The Palestinians are killing Israelis, period. It doesn't matter how. Force is usually always answered with force, and the answers always escalate. I am not condoning it, but it is to be expected, and as such it can be avoided.
Also, the point is that the Arabs have had no interest in a negotiated peace... ever.
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Killing a handful of people by throwing up hundreds of rockets and hoping that one of them miraculously hits someone is far from "a war of annihilation". Palestinians couldnt have a "war of annihilation" even if they wanted to.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 20:49:39
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
In 1947, the U.N. voted to partition the British Mandate of Palestine, in light of its recognition that both Jews and Arabs had legitimate claims to the land. The proposed partition included three areas: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationally administered zone in Jerusalem. The Jewish population accepted, and reaffirmed their intention to coexist peacefully with the Arabs living in the area; the Arab population refused, and responded with riots and violence.
In 1948 Israel Declared itself a state.
From the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel:
"WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."
Arab countries responded by launching a war of annihilation on the newborn state. Decades later, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas acknowledged the Arab refusal to accept the 1947 partition plan as a "mistake".
Limetree... you ask the question: "how many israeli kids are dying f**kwit?"
My answer: One kid is too many. The way I see it is that if the Palestinians don't want their kids killed in retaliation, then they should stop killing any and all Israeli kids.
Seems pretty simple to me. But, I am sure you will continue with your nonsense about how much more righteous the Palestinians are, and how their efforts are only a response to the evils of the Israelis, who were only responding to the evils of the Palestinians, who only want the complete annihilation of the State of Israel... etc., etc., etc.
Have at it Limetree. I am up for another good laugh. |
Jews have no claim to the land, just as I have no claim to any land my ancestors lived in. Besides, the majority of ancestors of Jews living their now actually never lived there, they descend from a group of people who converted for political reasons. UN may have come to that false conclusion, but as we know the UN is not the voice of the world, it is the voice of the UK/US.
It should also be noted, that the Torah itself forbids them living in the state of israel, hence why real Jews(those who actually follow the religion) also protest against Israels existence.
Yes that's a pretty little speech, it however was a lie. I don't think you understand what the zionists had planned the entire time. I don't think you understand the role of Mossad. In fact, as I've said before, I don't think you have a clue about the entire situation.
I agree though, a world in which the 48 borders were recognised by all sides would have been nice in contrast to war, shame we can't live in hypothetical worlds. This however still would have been hugely unfair to the palestinians (Imagine that the entire east coast of the united states was given to a religious group, how the f**k would you feel? I highly doubt you'd just accept it. Israel should not exist, should never have existed. If Jews want to live in the holy land, they should have lived in Palestine, like many did before the zionists got their way. If I was to suggest a Christian state, or a white only state, most people would complain and rightfully tell me that I'm a racist bigot. But apparently a Jewish state totally justified. PS: Did you support apartheid in South Africa as strongly as you support Apartheid in Israel and Palestine?
One Israeli child would be too many, but when was the last time an Israel child was killed by a Palestinian? Do you even know?
You can't watch Israel massacre hundreds and thousands and then point to a token wounded Israeli to justify it, or dare to suggest that the situation is equal. Israel is an occupying force, nothing they can do can be classed as self defence or retaliation as they are the aggressor, why won't that sink into your head?
Anyway that's me done replying to your bullshit, we established long ago that you were a lost cause. |
Get over yourself, dude. I said from the start, and have said often that the state of Israel should not have been created where it is... DO YOU EVER READ ALL THE WORDS?
I don't support the State of Israel, as a religious entity at all. I don't give a flying f**k about ANY organized religion.
No I did not support South African Apparthied... way before you even knew what the word meant.
The point is that both sides are fighting for their survival, and when two sides are fighting, there are NO RULES, regardless what you might want to believe. *(I think you understand that, Ted, so I am not sure why you keep repeating yourself, but whatever.)*
The people in Israel are not all Jews. Not all religious. Not all out to kill or harm Arabs. They are there trying to live their lives in the place where many of them were born, and they don't deserve to have rockets dropped on their heads while they are eating dinner.
And this will surprise you... I don't think that innocent Palestinians should have to pay the price for what the idiots lobbing the rockets are causing, as a result of the shit storm of retaliation that the Jews will inflict on them.
Too much wrong going on on both sides, which is what I have said from the beginning, but go ahead and claim I don't know what I am talking about... I defer to your obvious PhD on the subject, professor, Limetree.
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Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2012 21:28:04
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
In 1947, the U.N. voted to partition the British Mandate of Palestine, in light of its recognition that both Jews and Arabs had legitimate claims to the land. The proposed partition included three areas: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationally administered zone in Jerusalem. The Jewish population accepted, and reaffirmed their intention to coexist peacefully with the Arabs living in the area; the Arab population refused, and responded with riots and violence.
In 1948 Israel Declared itself a state.
From the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel:
"WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."
Arab countries responded by launching a war of annihilation on the newborn state. Decades later, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas acknowledged the Arab refusal to accept the 1947 partition plan as a "mistake".
Limetree... you ask the question: "how many israeli kids are dying f**kwit?"
My answer: One kid is too many. The way I see it is that if the Palestinians don't want their kids killed in retaliation, then they should stop killing any and all Israeli kids.
Seems pretty simple to me. But, I am sure you will continue with your nonsense about how much more righteous the Palestinians are, and how their efforts are only a response to the evils of the Israelis, who were only responding to the evils of the Palestinians, who only want the complete annihilation of the State of Israel... etc., etc., etc.
Have at it Limetree. I am up for another good laugh. |
Jews have no claim to the land, just as I have no claim to any land my ancestors lived in. Besides, the majority of ancestors of Jews living their now actually never lived there, they descend from a group of people who converted for political reasons. UN may have come to that false conclusion, but as we know the UN is not the voice of the world, it is the voice of the UK/US.
It should also be noted, that the Torah itself forbids them living in the state of israel, hence why real Jews(those who actually follow the religion) also protest against Israels existence.
Yes that's a pretty little speech, it however was a lie. I don't think you understand what the zionists had planned the entire time. I don't think you understand the role of Mossad. In fact, as I've said before, I don't think you have a clue about the entire situation.
I agree though, a world in which the 48 borders were recognised by all sides would have been nice in contrast to war, shame we can't live in hypothetical worlds. This however still would have been hugely unfair to the palestinians (Imagine that the entire east coast of the united states was given to a religious group, how the f**k would you feel? I highly doubt you'd just accept it. Israel should not exist, should never have existed. If Jews want to live in the holy land, they should have lived in Palestine, like many did before the zionists got their way. If I was to suggest a Christian state, or a white only state, most people would complain and rightfully tell me that I'm a racist bigot. But apparently a Jewish state totally justified. PS: Did you support apartheid in South Africa as strongly as you support Apartheid in Israel and Palestine?
One Israeli child would be too many, but when was the last time an Israel child was killed by a Palestinian? Do you even know?
You can't watch Israel massacre hundreds and thousands and then point to a token wounded Israeli to justify it, or dare to suggest that the situation is equal. Israel is an occupying force, nothing they can do can be classed as self defence or retaliation as they are the aggressor, why won't that sink into your head?
Anyway that's me done replying to your bullshit, we established long ago that you were a lost cause. |
Get over yourself, dude. I said from the start, and have said often that the state of Israel should not have been created where it is... DO YOU EVER READ ALL THE WORDS?
I don't support the State of Israel, as a religious entity at all. I don't give a flying f**k about ANY organized religion.
No I did not support South African Apparthied... way before you even knew what the word meant.
The point is that both sides are fighting for their survival, and when two sides are fighting, there are NO RULES, regardless what you might want to believe. *(I think you understand that, Ted, so I am not sure why you keep repeating yourself, but whatever.)*
The people in Israel are not all Jews. Not all religious. Not all out to kill or harm Arabs. They are there trying to live their lives in the place where many of them were born, and they don't deserve to have rockets dropped on their heads while they are eating dinner.
And this will surprise you... I don't think that innocent Palestinians should have to pay the price for what the idiots lobbing the rockets are causing, as a result of the shit storm of retaliation that the Jews will inflict on them.
Too much wrong going on on both sides, which is what I have said from the beginning, but go ahead and claim I don't know what I am talking about... I defer to your obvious PhD on the subject, professor, Limetree. |
But you don't know what you're talking about..
One side is fighting for its survival, not both. Israel has an army, navy, airforce, a nuclear arsenal and the world strongest military on its side. Palestine has some rockets that only when they are very lucky actually manage to hit something. There is no real military threat to Israel. The majority in Israel are jews, it is a jewish state genius. There is a very small minority of christians, as well as some arabs who are lucky enough to live under apartheid. Heck, they even have specialised number plates on cars to differentiate arabs from jews (bit like those jewish stars in germany huh? oh, and they're trapped in a tiny piece of land behind a big guarded wall, hmmm)
You also seem to fail to realise that Palestinians are killed, imprisoned without crime and consistently lose the remains of their land to israeli settlements even when they're not firing rockets. The reason the peace negotiations never last is because israel refuses to halt its settlement constructions. Wake the f**k up.
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