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Thread created on Mon Aug 05, 2013 19:13:42
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I have made this topic in the past but again I have run into the problem of a insurance bet where I lose 100m stead of receiving the 150m for placing the proper insurance bet. So the issue is this. While playing high stakes black jack I run up against an ace. Say I have 2 10's and I split them. I am able to place an insurance bet on each hand. Say my first hand I have 16 so I hit and bust. I've placed the insurance bet prior to hitting a 50m bet that if a blackjack came down I'd break even on the hand.

Because my hand is busted it doesn't show if my insurance bet would be counted but here is how I prove it on my 2nd hand I say get blackjack but place insurance as well. When it comes blackjack I win the insurance bet earning +100m and not losing my 100m bet for the hand. But shouldn't my other bet be valid of indeed it was a blackjack regardless if I bust.

So again to get to my point is this. The insurance bet in a casino is a side bet. Even if my said hand is bust and I placed insurance gives me full rights to see the dealers card. In the past I have had this occur almost 40 times on 100m bets where I'm losing 1 out of 2 hands each costing 150m while my other hand wins.

I feel I should be refunded any money that has ever been lost if I split against an ace busted with a insurance bet and my other hand wins the insurance because the hand was not busted. All and all this has cost me close to 4-5 billion in loses if not more and this is a virtual scam of a casino gambling.

Also I donate real money and regardless of the loop whole of it being a donation if there are scams within the site of institution running the so called charity that "institution" can face harsh penalties as the casino is similar to that one may find at a charity function and if it is rigged in anyway all funds can be confiscated under the donations act.

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Posted on Tue Aug 06, 2013 02:02:02
That was confusing as hell but ...

if you bust, the hand is over. Doesn't matter what the dealer has. If you want a chance at collecting on the insurance, I'd suggest you don't bust. Not sure that you aren't completely foolish for thinking you should collect anything on a bust.

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Posted on Tue Aug 06, 2013 06:34:13
That's the very definition of insanity.

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Posted on Tue Aug 06, 2013 08:29:57
No I'm saying that if you bust and you split the hand. And you pay insurance and bust but the second hand your insurance pays. It means that your insurance bet prior is valid. And had it not been considered a side bet which it is the dealer needs to show their hand in a actual casino but ya. I've done this like 40 times tho and it's a big difference to have either broke even on the hand or lose 150m on it.

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Posted on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:23:53
OK it is:

losses not loses
loop hole not loop whole

However, despite that what the hell are you on about? Insurance bets on Torn?

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Posted on Tue Aug 06, 2013 19:54:07
Boy i have told you before STOP playing blackjack

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Posted on Tue Aug 06, 2013 22:55:05
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...I've done this like 40 times ...


You've been making threads about this for months as well. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results = insanity

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Posted on Wed Aug 07, 2013 18:55:43
so you want to see the dealers cards even tho you bust ? haha that's cute


In the "actual" casino you refer to, the dealer shows his hand after all hands are played, not after one hand. why would he show during play ? you aren't making sense.


In torn, this is where the player has the advantage on splits. If you manage to play the first hand without busting, you gain the knowledge of the dealers cards for the second... the advantage being you can stand on 12 if he busted or hit on 19 if he had 20. Moves you might not ordinarily make, but given the extra knowledge you wouldn't ordinarily gain in the "actual" casino.

Your problem is you aren't making the adjustment to the conditions of torn vs real ... excuse me "actual" casinos.

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Posted on Fri Aug 09, 2013 09:44:14
I'm saying in a casino if the dealer is showing an ace and the player has his bet and their insurance "side" bet even if their hand busts the dealer would then reveal their hand as its already dealt out 2 cards in 65% of casinos. And because in this casino it shows a face down card and face up and doesn't only present you with one card it means that if someone places an insurance bet. And they lose or win the dealer must reveal their cards even if you bust if you pay for insurance.

So again my point is insurance is a side bet. It's only for when an ace is present one out of say 15 times on average giving you a 1-15 chance to hence break even on a hand dominating to your own. Bottom line even if it doesn't show I can prove it when I split the hand and play both hands revealing the whole cards of the first

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Posted on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:33:47
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Boy i have told you before STOP playing blackjack


Best advice ever - It was heavily nerfed a while back. Coded to increase the dealers ability to win dramatically.

A lot of people knew this, complained and posted but it was swept under the rug (must be getting a bit lumpy that rug now). I kept a record last year of 5,000 hands out of curiosity and followed the blackjack table that so many think is the oracle of the game so there would be no confusion.

Result:

Odds of winning are between negligible and nothing.

The dealer will constantly have 19 - 21 on 3 out of 4 hands per 100 hands.

I have never seen so many hands were a dealer can have a 3,4,5,6 shown and make 19+ constantly.

Ironically if the dealer has an ace shown it rarely hits 21.

It will basically suddenly lag and not show cards if you have a hand that is good and it tries to calculate how to beat you, so when this happens you know you are going to lose.


Regardless of what anyone else says in contrary to the above, it is heavily biased to the game and not you.



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