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LittleTyke
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Thread created on Wed Dec 26, 2012 01:33:11
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Hi,
In the real life I'm a computer scientist and this is how I earn my living.
Playing Torn I observed that the blackjack is not blackjack and to be precise it's not as random as you might think.
What that means?
It means the developers of Torn who I suspect coded the blackjack engine from scratch and not really into development, as it's a bad implementation. Therefore the dealer is winning way more than in the real random blackjack.
What to do?
- Get Torn to find some developers able to code a random-based game.
- Play as usual and loose big.
- Make a list of hands and results, observe similarities and exploit it. (I made a program)
Have fun and shame on Torn blackjack,
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Chairman
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Posted on Wed Dec 26, 2012 02:17:22
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Well, the way I saw it implemented (back when it was first released), it forces you to have a higher lose rate when you win more - and usually when you bet bigger.
This way people can't do what you do, and "predict" hand ratios or whatnot.
I pride myself in being able to count cards properly in casino-style blackjack (4-8 decks inclusive), and the system I use does not beat this system (mostly because cards are reused instantaneously, making it impossible to "guess" what comes next).
Either way, your post doesn't really make sense - is English your first language?
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dunmugmeh
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Posted on Wed Dec 26, 2012 16:38:44
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There are people who make money on tc blackjack. Not many though.
I have seen many many many dozens of blackjack whining threads since i started playing this game.
That tells me it is not a easy game to make profit on, it also tells me if you want more money then playing blackjack is a pretty dumb idea.
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Posted on Wed Dec 26, 2012 17:16:28
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Before this im playing blackjack and i managed to get profit 87.5m so i refiil my casino token and losing it all 
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Sweeney_Todd
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Posted on Wed Dec 26, 2012 19:05:41
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Well duh...
Imagine a rigged game in a casino, what are the odds...
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Posted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 06:48:45
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LittleTyke In order for trends to develop you'd have to play tens of thousands of hands. Until you accomplish that feat and record all data, I dont think you have a foundation for your claim. With the ability to surrender and also see the dealers hand during a split on the 2nd hand, i would imagine the odds would be in the players favor so long as they play statistically perfect. But most players dont. Let us know when you've compiled data from 10k hands.
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Posted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 07:27:16
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I was going to say "well duh?!" but was beaten to it. Sweeney for staff!
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Sweeney_Todd
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Posted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:37:46
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By fluffy [494285]
I was going to say "well duh?!" but was beaten to it. Sweeney for staff! |
No way! He is like a bully...
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Lt_Wolf
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Posted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 17:16:52
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By LittleTyke [1691879]
Hi,
In the real life I'm a computer scientist and this is how I earn my living.
Playing Torn I observed that the blackjack is not blackjack and to be precise it's not as random as you might think.
What that means?
It means the developers of Torn who I suspect coded the blackjack engine from scratch and not really into development, as it's a bad implementation. Therefore the dealer is winning way more than in the real random blackjack.
What to do?
- Get Torn to find some developers able to code a random-based game.
- Play as usual and loose big.
- Make a list of hands and results, observe similarities and exploit it. (I made a program)
Have fun and shame on Torn blackjack, |
I love all the evidence you have presented, it is undeniable.
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Chairman
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Posted on Thu Dec 27, 2012 23:35:47
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I compiled data on 100K hands back in 2009, but I lost it somewhere in the transition between laptops. Statistically, even if one plays perfectly, based on the model in TC-based blackjack, the player only has a win percentage of 48.6%, based on a 100K bet and a "PRNG" seed of (I think?) 52 cards (1 deck, if memory serves).
It's not "rigged", but it is designed such that if you try to play a Martingale-style betting system (double bet every time you lose), you will lose statistically 95% of the time after the money gets big enough (they wrote it that way to pull money out of the system).
Let me know if you want to talk more about this - I study Computer Science at the University of Waterloo, and I'll be doing web development work for a startup in New York for the next 4-8 months.
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Posted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 16:42:17
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By Chairman [286225]
I compiled data on 100K hands back in 2009, but I lost it somewhere in the transition between laptops. Statistically, even if one plays perfectly, based on the model in TC-based blackjack, the player only has a win percentage of 48.6%, based on a 100K bet and a "PRNG" seed of (I think?) 52 cards (1 deck, if memory serves).
It's not "rigged", but it is designed such that if you try to play a Martingale-style betting system (double bet every time you lose), you will lose statistically 95% of the time after the money gets big enough (they wrote it that way to pull money out of the system).
Let me know if you want to talk more about this - I study Computer Science at the University of Waterloo, and I'll be doing web development work for a startup in New York for the next 4-8 months. |
Just down the road from me brother! Conestoga College Doon Campus. I find this very interesting, however its a shame you dont have the data anymore.
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Lt_Wolf
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Posted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 16:44:09
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nvm.
Last Edited: Fri Dec 28, 2012 16:44:58
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Robb_Stark
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Posted on Fri Dec 28, 2012 23:57:40
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you can make 100 mill profit from blackjack easy
cheds blackjack does have a system to beating it takes some understanding but when i can be bothered ill put it on youtube
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Posted on Sat Dec 29, 2012 02:35:50
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Hah, cool, great to have more people in Waterloo, Ontario! -- Always feels like a ghost town in the winter and during the summer terms.
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Metalingus
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Posted on Sat Dec 29, 2012 03:05:12
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R-
I don't give a crap as its just a casino minigame of the main game and not many use it as a source of money
And as sweeney said its clearly fixed for a reason, reason being so you can't win billions everyday
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Krabby
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Posted on Sat Dec 29, 2012 22:34:58
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Put it on YouTube, so the staff can find a way to fix it. That's not sarcasm either, I don't play Blackjack too much so whether it gets leaked and fixed or not doesn't effect me too much. On the other hand I play the slots for hours. Damn slots.
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Posted on Mon Dec 31, 2012 13:41:39
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blackjack is such a game that youre expected to loose about 55% of the hands. This doesnt mean the house edge is 5% however as there is doubling and BJ pays 3:2, the edge, depending on how well the strategy you play is, is about 0% (+- depending on specific rules).
In BJ you can assume a standart deviation of more then 1, to have an ok sample size and not look like a total tool you need to play about 100k hands.
At 100k hands youre expected to hit the exact house edge with 99% probability (assuming you play flawlessly, which you dont).
Are you saying you played 100k hands and noticed patterns in certain hands?
LOL
If you wanna have patterns, play 100k times THE VERY SAME hand! (There are like 10k possible hand combos, if not more btw).
Only problem this is impossible as youre tokens are limited.
Conclusion:
You didnt make a program. Nor are you a rocket surgeon as you claim.
Last Edited: Mon Dec 31, 2012 13:43:10
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