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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 06:33:06
sorry human element to consider

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 06:34:42
I still fail to see why people keep saying that

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 06:36:21
Good logic, narcomaprime.. That sounds suspicious too!! Say, drzed, moonlily are covering for the_reputed. I'm thinking that they may put their trust on the_reputed OR they may be one of a kind (ie bad guys team).
I'm more than happy to see how it may be like...
The reason I voted for The_Reputed mainly because in my analysis, everyone could be the mafia team and also I'm thinking the host would give more important role if he/she knows him/her well and has faith on his/her ability here.
That's the reason of my suspicion here.. Not because I am afraid of him or whatsoever. I would cast my vote on someone that I think has good connection with the host

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 06:36:39
Day 1 is the toughest. Lynching is important but lynching the Reds is of essence, if we lynch a townie, probably we will short 3 townies when Day 2 commences.
I can not make up my mind yet, so will cast my vote later.


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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 06:39:42
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Good logic, narcomaprime.. That sounds suspicious too!! Say, drzed, moonlily are covering for the_reputed. I'm thinking that they may put their trust on the_reputed OR they may be one of a kind (ie bad guys team).
I'm more than happy to see how it may be like...
The reason I voted for The_Reputed mainly because in my analysis, everyone could be the mafia team and also I'm thinking the host would give more important role if he/she knows him/her well and has faith on his/her ability here.
That's the reason of my suspicion here.. Not because I am afraid of him or whatsoever. I would cast my vote on someone that I think has good connection with the host


I think this is already discussed enough, the host does not decide the role based on the ability of the player.



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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 06:57:40
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Someone is a blacksmith another one is a farmer. Too bad no one stated that they were a fisherman otherwise I would have voted for them just for the halibut.


OMG hahahaha puntastic, I tip my hat to you sir!


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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:13:00
if yuo cna raed tihs yuo aer sarmt or at lsaet btteer tahn teh
aervgae baer

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:14:32
Actually, unfortunately, our primary concern isn't the lich king on Day 1, as much as i want his head on my mantle... the fact is we have to remove the necromancer first. It's a common interest we have because the Necromancer has two extremely effective strategies:

1) Recruit two and then kill-

If the Necromancer does this, s/he can develop a mafia team of their own choosing. they can have their friends or enemies forced onto their team, then do effective killings, with 3 of them, it'd be no different than having a second mafia team. Worse though, is if we don't hit the necromancer, s/he can simply refill her team pool by recruiting again.

Because there's 20 players, and assuming we never do a no-lynch, the fastest this game can go is 7 days. This would be a comfortable rate for the necromancer, but fortunately can be stopped easily if the cop spots the necromancer or if the lich king and his monsters do the job for us. that's why i suspect necromancer will work with other strategy...

2) Just keep Converting-

In this way, the necromancer never makes a kill, just building the size of the team, there's alot of benefits to this for necromancer, especially the fact that it effectively makes the medium useless since her information could be out of date before dawn. With this, the only benefit we have is there is less loss of life, and the necromancer may fail to convert by hitting the lich king's group.


The Lich King isn't privy to these strategies, so the necromancer is who we need to kill as a first priority.

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:18:26
If the lich king agrees to this threat, he would give us an advantage by killing the necromancer on night one, as from last i checked the order of events is doctor, necro move, lich, cop...

this would mean they get what they want by having the necromancer recruit one to keep townie deterioration up, and we're not completely f**ked by day 5.

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:19:53
Are we getting extended Day 1 time due to lag?

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:24:35
So, we need to be looking for the necromancer, and we have a HUGE problem...

we could try to force everyone to expose their names, but even though this would force Grelka to expose herself, it may also expose Tobias and Maphaela.

The only effective strategy i can think of is trying to isolate how people vote on Day 1. Lich's group will try to be conscious of one another, but Grelka won't have that luxury. Luckily, sharkbyte claims to have good investigative skills, so maybe we can rely on him to give us some insight on who we should consider for having this role?

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:33:23
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Actually, unfortunately, our primary concern isn't the lich king on Day 1, as much as i want his head on my mantle... the fact is we have to remove the necromancer first. It's a common interest we have because the Necromancer has two extremely effective strategies:

1) Recruit two and then kill-

If the Necromancer does this, s/he can develop a mafia team of their own choosing. they can have their friends or enemies forced onto their team, then do effective killings, with 3 of them, it'd be no different than having a second mafia team. Worse though, is if we don't hit the necromancer, s/he can simply refill her team pool by recruiting again.

Because there's 20 players, and assuming we never do a no-lynch, the fastest this game can go is 7 days. This would be a comfortable rate for the necromancer, but fortunately can be stopped easily if the cop spots the necromancer or if the lich king and his monsters do the job for us. that's why i suspect necromancer will work with other strategy...

2) Just keep Converting-

In this way, the necromancer never makes a kill, just building the size of the team, there's alot of benefits to this for necromancer, especially the fact that it effectively makes the medium useless since her information could be out of date before dawn. With this, the only benefit we have is there is less loss of life, and the necromancer may fail to convert by hitting the lich king's group.


The Lich King isn't privy to these strategies, so the necromancer is who we need to kill as a first priority.




agree and i kind of covered this whilst casting my vote on zed as i believe he intended to recruit

you therein is my logic which don,t let this lead you to believe i think you innocent

but his motivations are suspicious he could just be hopeful your able to be enlisted under

his charge i also find a group jumping to your defense as suspect but they could merely

be trying to be nice moonlily not voting for the person she wanted to speak up and keep

her vote on the person who voted you may be because she,d rather offer up a less active person

day 1 is very likely so im not wholeheartedly offering yall up as the lich kings team

i just want the majority to try and determine guilt by actions and yall have formed a clique

early on and there very well could be nothing sinister in there actions as of yet

but i do question zeds motives entirely and yes to the point of casting a legitimate vote

on him







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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:33:32
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basically because of this:

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hmmm moonlilly dr zed and s2k came quickly to the aid of some one who is statistically improbable to be a good guy for the 4th time in a row


Now, disregarding the lack of punctuation, credibility of the argument, and fact checking...

He intends to stir us all up with paranoia, remember how he smashed through townie ranks last game only to lead us to a crushing defeat? Can we really risk such a thing again?

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:33:34
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2) Just keep Converting-

In this way, the necromancer never makes a kill, just building the size of the team, there's alot of benefits to this for necromancer, especially the fact that it effectively makes the medium useless since her information could be out of date before dawn. With this, the only benefit we have is there is less loss of life, and the necromancer may fail to convert by hitting the lich king's group.



to think that a person you believed to be a townie today might be necro goon tomorrow. That is so scary. It's even harder to trust anyone now

we need a lot of luck to catch the necro today

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:34:50
We don't need luck, there's only a 5% chance on luck, we need a sure-fire thing. unfortunately time isn't on our side so we have to think quickly.

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:35:53
Oh, actually i'm wrong about that, the cop investigates after recruiting, so the intel is good for one day at least.

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:37:30
but yes i agree the necromancer is the most dangerous person here but can he kill as well? is that confirmed i thought he recruited soley

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:38:44
she can only kill with a follower, she can not do the killing herself, so no necromancer death tonight. what would be awesome is if she tried to convert a revenant or lich on night 1

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:42:02
Ah! maybe we need a good cop strategy too? idk who the cop is planning on investigating but it's kind of a shitty situation because the cop will need to decide whether to investigate the same person over and over, or go to different people.

I think it'd be best to only investigate each person once, because lich's and the necromancer can not be recruited, so if you investigate the same person twice, you already know they can't be any of those roles, yet those groups can still perform their moves that night.

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:42:53
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Unvote Wolvie
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basically because of this:

By narcomaprime [1706976]
hmmm moonlilly dr zed and s2k came quickly to the aid of some one who is statistically improbable to be a good guy for the 4th time in a row


Now, disregarding the lack of punctuation, credibility of the argument, and fact checking...

He intends to stir us all up with paranoia, remember how he smashed through townie ranks last game only to lead us to a crushing defeat? Can we really risk such a thing again?



you truly are an idiot read all that i said seriously was this your dads account that

you took over because you really have the mentality of a child i see this all the time

in league of legends sorry guys my lil bro had to cover for me while i ran to the store



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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:44:51
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she can only kill with a follower, she can not do the killing herself, so no necromancer death tonight. what would be awesome is if she tried to convert a revenant or lich on night 1


or the good priest or the medium. All that cannot be recruited and would bring the result to failed attempt and we get 1 townie less (killed by lich) during night phase. that is an advantage for us townies

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:45:09
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Unvote Wolvie
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basically because of this:

By narcomaprime [1706976]
hmmm moonlilly dr zed and s2k came quickly to the aid of some one who is statistically improbable to be a good guy for the 4th time in a row


Now, disregarding the lack of punctuation, credibility of the argument, and fact checking...

He intends to stir us all up with paranoia, remember how he smashed through townie ranks last game only to lead us to a crushing defeat? Can we really risk such a thing again?


I tend to agree with this.
Necro your posts need to be legible and based on some kind of arguments.
But wont vote him out only on the basis of these.


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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:45:23
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basically because of this:

By narcomaprime [1706976]
hmmm moonlilly dr zed and s2k came quickly to the aid of some one who is statistically improbable to be a good guy for the 4th time in a row


Now, disregarding the lack of punctuation, credibility of the argument, and fact checking...

He intends to stir us all up with paranoia, remember how he smashed through townie ranks last game only to lead us to a crushing defeat? Can we really risk such a thing again?



you truly are an idiot read all that i said seriously was this your dads account that

you took over because you really have the mentality of a child i see this all the time

in league of legends sorry guys my lil bro had to cover for me while i ran to the store



Ok, how about a truce? i'll unvote you but you've got to vote for whoever i decide to vote on. do you agree?

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:45:44
i did not place guilt on you other than being stupid but if you are a townie i suggest you actually look for the necromancer

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:47:40
That would be hilarious...
Okay, I guess I'm going let it sit on The_Reputed until I see someone to be voted on...
I am trying to read the situation here and mmm... this is a hard one

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:49:01
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basically because of this:

By narcomaprime [1706976]
hmmm moonlilly dr zed and s2k came quickly to the aid of some one who is statistically improbable to be a good guy for the 4th time in a row


Now, disregarding the lack of punctuation, credibility of the argument, and fact checking...

He intends to stir us all up with paranoia, remember how he smashed through townie ranks last game only to lead us to a crushing defeat? Can we really risk such a thing again?



you truly are an idiot read all that i said seriously was this your dads account that

you took over because you really have the mentality of a child i see this all the time

in league of legends sorry guys my lil bro had to cover for me while i ran to the store




getting angry because he suspects you? you are the child here.

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:49:11
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she can only kill with a follower, she can not do the killing herself, so no necromancer death tonight. what would be awesome is if she tried to convert a revenant or lich on night 1


or the good priest or the medium. All that cannot be recruited and would bring the result to failed attempt and we get 1 townie less (killed by lich) during night phase. that is an advantage for us townies


That's working under the assumption that Grelka doesn't find out what their role actually is, and even then, it's still not good if she fails to convert them since that will be a high interest target to kill

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:50:00
The problem with reading the situation is that the Red may just keep quiet and don't do much posting, and give us nothing to read into.
People not participating in the discussions are equally dangerous as reds even if they are greens

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:51:08
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i did not place guilt on you other than being stupid but if you are a townie i suggest you actually look for the necromancer


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basically because of this:

By narcomaprime [1706976]
hmmm moonlilly dr zed and s2k came quickly to the aid of some one who is statistically improbable to be a good guy for the 4th time in a row


Now, disregarding the lack of punctuation, credibility of the argument, and fact checking...

He intends to stir us all up with paranoia, remember how he smashed through townie ranks last game only to lead us to a crushing defeat? Can we really risk such a thing again?



you truly are an idiot read all that i said seriously was this your dads account that

you took over because you really have the mentality of a child i see this all the time

in league of legends sorry guys my lil bro had to cover for me while i ran to the store




getting angry because he suspects you? you are the child here.




Hey hey, let's keep it civil here. It was a vote, for some reason in a game of killing people those happen.

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Posted on Thu Jun 06, 2013 07:51:46
it's still not good if she fails to convert them since that will be a high interest target to kill <--- will there be an announcement of who the target of the failed attempt? i don't think so

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