That was awesome the way you gave us a warning of change so we could prevent the loss of our lists and fantastic how you listened to input and (presumably) modified things to make it more what we want.
I typically like one of three of your feature updates, so this is not another empty "WtG Ched!" Your methods seem to be improving.
Ok...after waiting for the actual update and after seeing people's reactions along with Ched's reaction to the feedback I've finally made my opinion. It's time to forge my answer....
First of all, I would like to say that I was reluctant in rating or commenting this update( I'd rather call it "tweak"...the bazaar,education system,chat...those were updates) before it had arrived, because, I understood what Ched wanted and hoped that he understood what we wanted ( or more easy to say, what we didn't want), especially after seeing other people's opinions in the pre-update feedback topic.
Chedburn wanted to optimize the system, to make it easier to tag people that are in your friends/enemies list, as he pointed out , to reduce the number of clicks and links. Ok...nothing bad with this idea. But...for some reason...he forgot why we had the tag list in the first place.
Now I'll be addressing towards Chedburn, in hopes that he will see this reply, although he had a hard time here in the forums.
I'm quite amazed of your reaction. It makes me sense that you consider all of us a bunch of sitting complaining geeks... from your reaction I mean...although I don't think this to be true. I do agree with you that this game has plenty of noobs, uninformed ( to say it politely), complainers, selfish, annoying, hard-to-move players.And that many rate- just because they like to do it. But still, that's no reason to state in the main "Announcements" forum that you don't take feedback too seriously. The problem is not with me , but with the many others, since way too many won't see that you actually meant "I don't take every feedback seriously. Only a few good ones". And nonetheless...some updates had great feedback. Look at the education system...or the bazaar and display case update...or the fancy bookie system.
Anyway...still...I've seen in this forum/topic a decent number of good well stated/ argumented opinions on why this is not an improvement to the GAMEPLAY....although everybody agrees that it's an improvement for the server handle/database. Pointing this out we will realize that actually Chedburn and us were speaking in parallel ideas.
My humble and simple question would be: why didn't you keep the tag list + this tweak ? Or if you didn't want to keep the tag list ( due to database issues) why haven't you increased the number of friends/enemies? So that, the interface improvement won't come along with something missing? You see?
Because this tweak , which is an interface improvement (it's cristal clear) came with -50 people in our players list and a hard Ecstacy overdose effect to counter it. Except the OD effect, this didn't make the game harder as some people stated around here...it only made it a little more annoying.
Ok...good...I know you get pissed after descending to the forums in search of good feedback and maybe feeling that none is appreciating your work. And I know that you actually heard some of us and maybe you don't like it because you are starting to feel that maybe we are right....But...why not ask for ideas?
For instance, I have a few:
1) you can give 25 more friends and 25 more enemies.
2) you can remove the 50/50 friends/enemies limit and with the current tagging system change to a 150 people limit ...so that you can make your own number of friends and enemies... (maybe I have more friends than enemies or viceversa)
3)you can add another list along Friends and Blacklist...which can be "Other people" (or something like that)...it can have a 50 player limit....and it would be an elegant replacement for the tag list and it will be easy and compatible with the new "checkbox" tagging system.
4) you can combine idea 2) and 3) = have 3 lists (Friends/Enemies/Other) with a maximum of 150 people limit , for every player to organize by his wish/gamestyle.
5) you can create an interface that let's you make your own lists (excluding the Friends/Enemies which I think everyone has by default)... you can name them...but you can only classify a number of 150 people...( ex: Friends:10, Enemies: 30, Drugbuyers:10, Bountied People:5...etc)
6) what about faction members ? they are certainly my friends ....all of them...but maybe I want to tag some of them? But why should I fill unnecessary spots in my 150 people limit lists so that I can tag them, when I can go to me faction and see them written there in the faction member list , right? Yes, I'll see them online/offline...but it's not tagging.
Why not add the "checkbox" tagging system to the faction system too? And make them blue colored in the left interface tag list? Friends would be green, Enemies red and faction members blue!
7) Speaking of color...we can have maybe the possibility(since we would have the power to make/name our own lists) to assign different colors to our lists(I'm talking about the color the names would have in the left interface tag list)...color we would be able to choose from a modest palette of colors.
But why not combine all of these ideas with other people's ideas and with your own ideas and make a really cool , fun, easy,customizable and optimized system?
To make the donators feel like they aren't laughed at? Like maybe they feel right now?
I feel that this "update" hasn't been analyzed throughout enough. But it should have , because it is a delicate thing...especially from the fact that it is something that is conditioned by the donator status...And they at least deserve to be heard.
And another thing...I heard a noob around here saying something that it would be better if Ched didn't need to come to the forums and argue with everyone and better of , make a staff member an "intermediate communicator " ...well...that's the most stupid thing I've heard for a long time. Won't quote the player...it's easy to find in this topic.
It's better if Ched comes here...it's more natural. It's more elegant and fair. It's normal. It makes us feel listened and not abandoned. If you go to the restaurant and don't like the service, who do you complain at? The waiter or the CEO?
Not to mention that I do not trust the staff...because sometimes they abuse their power....speaking of which, how about an update in which we can see who exactly is giving us warnings/ban/jail etc? Thus taking away the staff members ability to hide behind their "staff veil"? I think it's more normal and it would make the staff members look less like cowards with thunders and more like human beings. I mean, the staff is there to ensure our well-being , right? And maybe one of them goes bananas and isn't able to ensure the player safety/well-being anymore...how can you point him out then?
well seems the delete button didnt delete the tagged person... its not working very well...i put someone in my blacklist accidentally and tag him...then delete it...but the person still still appear red when he s online eventhough its not in my blacklist anymore...u need to do more testing ched
Thanks ched for changed those OD effects of ecstacy with the new update released.
Woot! -250 energy deduction by OD ecstacy?? Unacceptable changed though.. Better not changed or fix this if you make it worse.. Yes you make it worse ched.
From like it at first, now make me wonder is this a fun game that i played before..
Waitaminute - so we lose energy AND happy? Thats a double whammy, and way out of proportion compared to other drugs. Thats it - I'm switching to Xanax even if it bankrupts me. If I'm in medical I can regain those life points faster than I lose them to OD's.
Last Edited: Tue Mar 23, 2010 14:45:52
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What happened to the merge of our tagged list into our friends/black lists? I figured it wouldn`t happened. Instead we the donators of TC have gotten ripped off by a rollback that I also agree with. There is no "unlimited" amount that we can have. I had those people tagged for reasons of my own that weren`t on my friends/black lists and I`m sure others had thier reasoning too. I would just like to have my tagged list back, I and the others of TC will not get back. I knew this crap would happen!
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