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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 09:24:18
I think its a good thing.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 09:29:29
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I think its a good thing.


Why? Give arguments to support your oppinion.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:13:41
'This is to make the system a lot easier to use. You will be able to tag / untag your friends/targets with ease, simply by checking them on the friends list / black list.This removes unnecessary preferences options and makes everything a lot simpler.'

same reason Ched said.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:47:30
Yes, we all know to read and we all saw what Ched wrote, so there is no need to quote him when trying to express a personal opinion.

But many players posted a lot of arguments about why this update is not useful, nor well received. When I asked you why do you think this update is such a "good thing", I hoped you read what has been written before, thought about it and had some arguments to proove to us, all the ones that don't appreciate this change, why we are wrong.
My mistake for hoping that...

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:49:57
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Yes, we all know to read and we all saw what Ched wrote, so there is no need to quote him when trying to express a personal opinion.

But many players posted a lot of arguments about why this update is not useful, nor well received. When I asked you why do you think this update is such a "good thing", I hoped you read what has been written before, thought about it and had some arguments to proove to us, all the ones that don't appreciate this change, why we are wrong.
My mistake for hoping that...


Forgive me for not bothering.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:59:47
Well, when you decide to post a replay to an update, you should bother, because it is important for Ched to know how the players really feel about it. That is why the thread exists.


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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:12:59
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Thread ratings don't mean anything. There are too many 'haters' going around rating threads down.


I don't think you are right about this.
I see many other threads with lots of +rates. And in what concerns this particular thread, considering the comments, I think that the rating really shows how this change is received by most of Torn's players.

But there could be a way for Chedburn to see if the players want this change or not: he could submit it to a vote.


Possibly, but then I see many, many great threads that are rated down by 'noobs' who simply don't understand.


That is correct. The majority will always rate down if they don't like it, but won't always rate + if they do like it. That is fact. No-one has given me a decent reason as to why it should not change, yet there are big advantages in it changing.


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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:14:25
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First of ched i really enjoy this game but the update's you make are plain dumb, why not take a vote on these changes before you implement them. I use my tag list more so then the others, so when i O/D because yes i do drugs my lists are poof gone. this seems like more work for everyone. why not invest some time in your server issues rather then your doing away with the tag list's ?

don't fix what aint broke


If I followed that rule, I would have stopped updating Torn 4 years ago. Stop thinking about yourself for one minute.


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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:15:49
Update: New display case / Your own shops! (1 2 3 4 ... last)
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Tagged list / Friends list merger (1 2 3 4 ... last)
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explains itself.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:16:03
I hope you're going to extend the numbers of people allowed on the lists! i currently have 25 on my friends list and 50 tagged...

If both combined amount to 50 maximum allowed, its another pointless update. The current system is FINE.

Once AGAIN Don't fix what isn't broken!!!

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:16:53
Rated +

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:16:56
true chedy well said

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:23:19
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Ched I appreciate you are trying to improve things but why do you keep fixing things that arent broken when you have an ample amount of things to choose from that are broken?


It's not broken, infact nothing at the moment is broken. I wish people would stop using that completely flawed term.

I do two things.

a) Fix things when they are broken
b) Improve things

Have you never heard of improvement before?? It means making something better. Just because it isn't broken, that doesn't mean it doesn't need improving.

And name one thing that is 'broken' and could be fixed. Broken is an opinion by the looks of it, and I don't know of anything that is actually 'broken'. Sure, factions could use 'improvements', but by your philosophy I apparently shouldn't work on factions because they aren't actually physically broken. I'm not going to work on factions without having a decent solution, while I figure it out, i'm 'improving' other aspects. If you want to make a post in suggestions giving me ideas, that'd be very helpful. Until then, GTFO out of my other threads.



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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:24:30
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Thread ratings don't mean anything. There are too many 'haters' going around rating threads down.


I don't think you are right about this.
I see many other threads with lots of +rates. And in what concerns this particular thread, considering the comments, I think that the rating really shows how this change is received by most of Torn's players.

But there could be a way for Chedburn to see if the players want this change or not: he could submit it to a vote.


Possibly, but then I see many, many great threads that are rated down by 'noobs' who simply don't understand.


That is correct. The majority will always rate down if they don't like it, but won't always rate + if they do like it. That is fact. No-one has given me a decent reason as to why it should not change, yet there are big advantages in it changing.


About the rating issue... There are many announcements about updates that are very well rated.

And about the reasons why we don't like the update, here are a few:
1. First of all, there are players who don't want to mix their lists. Not all the people we have tagged are friends or enemies.
2. What if we overdose? If we lose our tag list it is clear why people will hate this update. And if we don't, what's the point of losing the frinds list anymore, since tag list and frinds lists will be almost the same?
3. There are players who use all the lists: tag, friends, enemies in order to remember about some people. For them, you would decrease, through this update, the number of the people they can "mark" from 150 to 100.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:26:28
Rated + to feed the trolls

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:36:29
Minus 117 votes for a social media addition that doesn't affect them at all
Minus 162 for a competition they won't even play
Minus 112 for a fix which has and continues to improve the game vastly

I do not take ratings seriously. And I certainly do not take people saying "bullshit update", "don't fix what isn't broken" e.t.c. seriously what-so-ever.

People complain, because they like complaining. I cannot take any feedback seriously anymore.

Why else would you be making such a big deal out of a minor change which will infact make the game in general, better. Because you enjoy the attention.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:39:52
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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:40:39
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Minus 117 votes for a social media addition that doesn't affect them at all
Minus 162 for a competition they won't even play
Minus 112 for a fix which has and continues to improve the game vastly

I do not take ratings seriously. And I certainly do not take people saying "bullshit update", "don't fix what isn't broken" e.t.c. seriously what-so-ever.

People complain, because they like complaining. I cannot take any feedback seriously anymore.

Why else would you be making such a big deal out of a minor change which will infact make the game in general, better. Because you enjoy the attention.

Are you aware of how many trailers you own?


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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:46:38
There are some people who gave you reasons why they don't like the update (includin myself). No one asked you to pay attention to posts such as "bullshit update". In fact, no reasonable player of this game pays attention to such a post.

And I am not making a big deal out of it. It is a minor change. I think it is a bad one, but minor indeed. Why I (and other players) answered is because we all thought feedback is important to you; not for attention. My bad if I got it wrong... So I will not bother you with any more replies on any topic.

I just wanted to clarify the reasons of my posts.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:49:29
Ched,
you keep talking about how this update will improve the game 'vastly'. im not going to lie, i dont see this. i have read the first announcement over again, and all i can see that is an improvement is the fact that it removes the preferences. i personally tag people through their profile, and if i want to see my tag list i click on the link on the left side of the screen.

maybe i can see the benefit of using a check list to remove people, but i doubt many people often remove numerous people from their list. is there anything else that makes this update viable?

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:53:23
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Minus 117 votes for a social media addition that doesn't affect them at all
Minus 162 for a competition they won't even play
Minus 112 for a fix which has and continues to improve the game vastly

I do not take ratings seriously. And I certainly do not take people saying "bullshit update", "don't fix what isn't broken" e.t.c. seriously what-so-ever.

People complain, because they like complaining. I cannot take any feedback seriously anymore.

Why else would you be making such a big deal out of a minor change which will infact make the game in general, better. Because you enjoy the attention.


Thats your problem man, you don't ever listen, infact, you still do things even when the main feedback is AGAINST your plan.. Thats why people act the way they do with you. Why ask for our feedback when you're all just gonna do whatever you want anyway?

But, on the other hand... at least your trying to improve the game. So for at least trying, thanks. You could just not care about the game at all.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:56:55
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Minus 117 votes for a social media addition that doesn't affect them at all
Minus 162 for a competition they won't even play
Minus 112 for a fix which has and continues to improve the game vastly

I do not take ratings seriously. And I certainly do not take people saying "bullshit update", "don't fix what isn't broken" e.t.c. seriously what-so-ever.

People complain, because they like complaining. I cannot take any feedback seriously anymore.

Why else would you be making such a big deal out of a minor change which will infact make the game in general, better. Because you enjoy the attention.

Yeah, you must be right.
No way it could be because some do care about the game and some of your updates actually do suck. Not a chance.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:00:54
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By Chedburn [1]
Minus 117 votes for a social media addition that doesn't affect them at all
Minus 162 for a competition they won't even play
Minus 112 for a fix which has and continues to improve the game vastly

I do not take ratings seriously. And I certainly do not take people saying "bullshit update", "don't fix what isn't broken" e.t.c. seriously what-so-ever.

People complain, because they like complaining. I cannot take any feedback seriously anymore.

Why else would you be making such a big deal out of a minor change which will infact make the game in general, better. Because you enjoy the attention.

Yeah, you must be right.
No way it could be because some do care about the game and some of your updates actually do suck. Not a chance.


Yes...that!

The thing is, you rely on us to fund your Life, your House and your car... infact, without us, you'd be nothing! Maybe if we stopped buying your precious donator packs you'd listen abit better.

Frankly, your attitude sucks Ched.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:31:08
Rant over, job done. now... lets just enjoy the updates for what they are and leave the aggro at the door. ME INCLUDED!

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 13:15:41
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Minus 117 votes for a social media addition that doesn't affect them at all
Minus 162 for a competition they won't even play
Minus 112 for a fix which has and continues to improve the game vastly

I do not take ratings seriously. And I certainly do not take people saying "bullshit update", "don't fix what isn't broken" e.t.c. seriously
what-so-ever.


People complain, because they like complaining. I cannot take any feedback seriously anymore.

Why else would you be making such a big deal out of a minor change which will infact make the game in general, better. Because you enjoy the attention.


At present we have a tag ,friends and enemy list , which gives us 150 places to store ppl, we may want to keep an eye on , after the update its looks as if we will only have a friends list and enemy list ,100 ppl , i may be wrong .
most players have already got used to the tag list , how may i ask how will it be an improvement for the players ?
I am all up for improvements
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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 13:16:15
I seriously don't like this Idea, people on my tagged list are not all my friends, I have my enemies there too. This will just cause loads of confusion

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 13:50:14
People obviously are going to react to things that make the game harder, which, co-incidentally, the potentially lost friends and enemies and tag lists will. But its a game, and its not supposed to take five seconds to have everything.

We keep playing because the game isn't easy.

What i dont get is why Chedders participates in the forums at all. Frankly, you end up Troll Wrestling over stupid shit when you do.

If folks want to complain about the menu options, they should be complaining to the cook, not the guy that owns the franchise. Getting bogged down in the forums doesnt seem to achieve much when Ched wades in, except further stoke the fires of those most likely to flame.

You don't play the game Ched, and you don't need to, but as such, why not leave the forum commentaries for one of the staff. Rope one of them into being a player liason (i think it might already exist?) and focus on continuing updating modifying the game: it's your main job, literally.

Phil. For. Staff.

Edited to provide illustration. What you need Chedders, is a Meat Shield.

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See how it naturally repulses?

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 14:09:02
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What i dont get is why Chedders participates in the forums at all. Frankly, you end up Troll Wrestling over stupid shit when you do.


It's odd that Ched chooses to respond to trolls instead of answering legit questions from players that are active, donate and don't whine about the small stuff.

Ched, why not take the time to respond to the players who have asked you questions in your faction/warring threads in suggestions?

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 14:20:36
I don't play shit games or games that annoy me so i can't understand why ppl who are painly pissed of at this game continue to play.I played FE like a demon at first then started to dislike it so i quit..piece of piss.

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Posted on Mon Mar 22, 2010 14:58:29
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People complain, because they like complaining. I cannot take any feedback seriously anymore.


Stop the pretence of asking for it then.

And if you don't take feedback seriously then you may as well lock announcements as soon as you post them.

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