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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 17:34:33
seems fair enough peace isnt cheap we all knew it wouldnt be.

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 17:35:39
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Leaders of peaceful factions will start seeing a link at the bottom of the faction staff page over the next hour.

Are you man enough not to click it?


Hah.

Are you man enough not to delete?

we shall see.

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 17:36:46
just a bit sexist methinks

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 17:38:38
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Leaders of peaceful factions will start seeing a link at the bottom of the faction staff page over the next hour.

Are you man enough not to click it?


Ok, well i've just mailed my faction to see what they think and i'll make the final decision as to what my faction will do... For now i've got a few questions.

1. How many times can we sacrifice our respect to gain 31 days of peace?
2. If i wait until aggressive status can i still trade respect for peace?


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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 17:41:13
The way I see it. Use the respect up till there is nothing left. Find someone that is going to quit. Give them the faction and have them go to africa. Take up more space on Cheds servers..LOL. A build and abandon therory. It will look like a wasteland of abandon players and factions pretty soon..LOL

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 17:42:15
what is the link

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 17:46:45
appears to me the link is gone...

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 17:59:13
No but seriously, when do we get the actual faction updates we've all been waiting for ?

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:01:42
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By Chedburn [1]
Leaders of peaceful factions will start seeing a link at the bottom of the faction staff page over the next hour.

Are you man enough not to click it?


Ok, well i've just mailed my faction to see what they think and i'll make the final decision as to what my faction will do... For now i've got a few questions.

1. How many times can we sacrifice our respect to gain 31 days of peace?
2. If i wait until aggressive status can i still trade respect for peace?


i belive as long as your final respect after using it once is still over 250 you can click it as many time as you want until total respect is below 250.

regarding the link... if your faction has less than 250 respect, the link automatically disappear from the page, i guess to prevent it from clicking again?

but again, i still don't think there is no chance of keeping this going... maybe just a month or so extention thats about it. cuz even with 10 members with 30++ nerve do OC 24/7 nonstop... they can only fit about 12 maximum of planned robbery (required 6) assume each OC gained max possible respect = 10 and x 12 = 120 per month gain. by then your 31 days will be over. no way in hell to recover 125 in 31 days and he know it too. so from the beginning intention is very obvious. and it is like a few of the players had said, it is just posponding a bit more for the carnage.


Edited by: xIownUx on 24/06/08 at 6:08:18 PM

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:06:09
I think this is a good update for peaceful factions, much better then spending TC money on keeping peaceful status

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:07:05
The way i understand it that u can never have below 250 to choose this option.

This means that the bigger the number, the greater the loss. So basically all peaceful factions should utilise their respect to get close to 250 (by upgrading - dont be silly...upgrade wisely and with caution) keep it at 251.....then after u upgrade spend 3 weeks doing ocs...whatever respect ur missing till u hit 251...just buy merits!!!!

I dont think its that bad

Hell, i expected worse. LOOOL

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:10:45
"Are you man enough not to click it?"


I'm Female so i don't feel challenged ?

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:13:35
If you feel your faction needs a little more time to prepare, you can declare your faction as peaceful for longer.
Doing this however, will lower the respect of your faction in the eyes of the public and other factions.
Subsequently, 50% of your respect will be lost to gain 31 days of peace.
You must have over 250 respect to initially increase your peaceful time.

> Gain 31 days of peace at a cost of 50% respect


Where did it say that this is a one time only offer, if we choose to temporarily hold off on clicking the link and do something else why do we no longer get the option?????

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:17:38
> Gain 31 days of peace at a cost of 50% respect

Well well... food for thought...

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:17:55
Lets see the maths here.....................

Faction costs 3m to start up.
You get 90 days peace with it.

Bomb thread OC takes 24 hours so you can potentially do 90 of them.

Say an average of 3 respect gained and $50K from each one.
Say a 90% success rate (should be realistic for bomb thread)

that means in 90 days you will have 81 successes = 241 respect + 4m cash.

Already the faction has paid for itself.

Now, starting respect = 250 + 241 gained = 491 respect at the time you have to update your status.

So losing half means you end up with 245 respect and now 31 days.

Same principal 31 days = 28 successes = 1.4m made and 84 respect.

84 respect + 245 starting = 329 respect.

Means you have enough to do another 31 days

start with 165 rspect and 31 days again you get 1.4m made + 84 respect = 249 respect
in probably will be 250.

Which means you can do it again for another 31 days!

After this point you will have to war.

So lets see that would give you a total of 6 months peaceful status, + 8m cash made all for the price of 3m the inital cost of a faction.


Why are people bitching? Most factions here will do OC's higher then bomb threat so returns are better. If anything aggressive factions should bitch, that you all get 6 months peace and make 5mill out of it!


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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:24:03
By Chedburn [1]
Leaders of peaceful factions will start seeing a link at the bottom of the faction staff page over the next hour.

Are you man enough not to click it?


please if you truly want to give a life line to peaceful faction you would probably think or come up with something more managable than this 50% respect and setting 250 as base line. afterall if you or in this case any one who is done with algebra can do the math and know it is almost impossible to sustain peaceful stat without buying merits for the lower level players.

OC respect gain won't make up for the 125 respects in 31 days. each planned robbery takes 60 hours thats barely 12 times a faction can do in 1 month x 10 respects gained from each thats 120. without buying respect, kiss your peaceful goodbye.

you might argue, there is hi-jacking that can give more respects... but i beg to differ.. haven't heard of faction boasting some successful hi-jacking planes... to do that faction might have to attract more members and upgrade in size although it says (10 required) everyone in here probably know that we definitely need more than 10 if to have any chance of pulling it off successfully.

then you might say then go buy the merit... but again merits are not limitless and right now maybe cheap, but once every faction trying to stay alive, the price on each merit sky rocket again.

In case if i missed some crucial informations enlighten me on it. so clearly, you are not thinking a bit for the lower level in this regard.... so to me it seems like any of the faction upgrades are only to be experienced by those who like to war. without accounting for the days difference (which lead to difference in resources), i don't think these little patches can solve the problem!

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:25:39
I don't see why anybody has to bitch about the idea in general, it gives those who want peace more time and if they end up without enough respect they still have the option to delete and move on or become aggressive. Aggressive factions haven't really got anything to bitch about factions can only stay peaceful indefinitely by buying loads of merits and that seems to be a pointless exercise.

What is wrong is that we weren't warned that by not clicking the link the first time we viewed the page that the option would be taken away from us. That is not fair, we should have been given a chance to consider our options before making a decision one way or another.

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:31:34
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Lets see the maths here.....................

Faction costs 3m to start up.
You get 90 days peace with it.

Bomb thread OC takes 24 hours so you can potentially do 90 of them.

Say an average of 3 respect gained and $50K from each one.
Say a 90% success rate (should be realistic for bomb thread)

that means in 90 days you will have 81 successes = 241 respect + 4m cash.

Already the faction has paid for itself.

Now, starting respect = 250 + 241 gained = 491 respect at the time you have to update your status.

So losing half means you end up with 245 respect and now 31 days.

Same principal 31 days = 28 successes = 1.4m made and 84 respect.

84 respect + 245 starting = 329 respect.

Means you have enough to do another 31 days

start with 165 rspect and 31 days again you get 1.4m made + 84 respect = 249 respect
in probably will be 250.

Which means you can do it again for another 31 days!

After this point you will have to war.

So lets see that would give you a total of 6 months peaceful status, + 8m cash made all for the price of 3m the inital cost of a faction.


Why are people bitching? Most factions here will do OC's higher then bomb threat so returns are better. If anything aggressive factions should bitch, that you all get 6 months peace and make 5mill out of it!


well up to a point your math is correct, but lets not forget, it is theoretical yield... not actual and from my experience, actual yield never even come close to theoretical yield.

90% success rate on bomb threat might be true, but do you really believe that people will be able to come on at the exact minute or within the hour of their first bomb threat been over and start a new one? maybe if they got nothing else to do and have no life.

and why will the warring factions be the ones that are suppose to be bitching about it? not enough enjoying your steadfast X? while all those peaceful faction just trying to come up with 125 just to stay peaceful.

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:39:08
Peacefull and Faction is an oxymoron . The fact factions can be peacefull is ridiculous so i dont see why the peacefulls bitch.If you dont want to be attacked go buy a company


Edited by: Unicron on 24/06/08 at 6:45:07 PM

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:43:45
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Peacefull and Faction is an oxymoron thats . The fact factions can be peacefull is ridiculous so i dont see why the peacefulls bitch.If you dont want to be attacked go buy a company


100% agree

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:47:47
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Peacefull and Faction is an oxymoron . The fact factions can be peacefull is ridiculous so i dont see why the peacefulls bitch.If you dont want to be attacked go buy a company


erm you may have a good enough dictionary to tell you what an oxymoron is but if you study the term faction you will find that it is not exclusively an aggressive phenomenon, ergo a peaceful faction is not an oxymoron at all.

As for the buy a company idea, I would agree except that things like the attack lists so you can look out for your friends, private forums, facilities for lending weapons, a medical 'armoury' (could be a first aid room in a company) are not available in the company function, not to mention I don't think you can access your company while you're in hospital/jail. For companies to be a valid alternativce to factions for the less aggressive of us they really need some upgrades.


Edited by: Morticia-Addams on 24/06/08 at 6:58:14 PM

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:54:21
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Peacefull and Faction is an oxymoron . The fact factions can be peacefull is ridiculous so i dont see why the peacefulls bitch.If you dont want to be attacked go buy a company


erm you may have a good enough dictionary to tell you what an oxymoron is but if you study the term faction you will find that it is not exclusively an aggressive phenomenon, ergo a peaceful faction is not an oxymoron at all.


Edited by: Morticia-Addams on 24/06/08 at 6:48:15 PM


I know quite well what one is and a peacefull faction is a perfect contradictory representation



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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:58:28
the way i see it peaceful faction leaders have 2 options....

1. use half your respect for 31 days of peace

2. become aggressive and have bigger factions relieve you of that respect with the added incentive of some hospital time for you and your members......

is the decision really still that hard??

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 18:59:10
thats not very manly stayun peacefull lol.

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 19:00:16
Or they can just buy a new faction for 3 mill and enjoy 90 more days of peace.The whole thing is a scam to convert extortion money from warring hof factions to Donater packs for ched. He saw people cornering a market he couldnt get to

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 19:00:23
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Peacefull and Faction is an oxymoron . The fact factions can be peacefull is ridiculous so i dont see why the peacefulls bitch.If you dont want to be attacked go buy a company


erm you may have a good enough dictionary to tell you what an oxymoron is but if you study the term faction you will find that it is not exclusively an aggressive phenomenon, ergo a peaceful faction is not an oxymoron at all.


Edited by: Morticia-Addams on 24/06/08 at 6:48:15 PM


I know quite well what one is and a peacefull faction is a perfect contradictory representation



Afraid not, for example political parties, socio-economic groups all have factions and a great many are not aggressive, I'm afraid what you know doesn't bear much resemblance to what is in fact true, but hey don't let a little something like truth bog you down


Edited by: Morticia-Addams on 24/06/08 at 7:02:30 PM

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 19:02:47
Definition of faction (noun)
form: factions
a number of persons combined for a common purpose

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 19:05:11
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By Morticia-Addams [241828]
By Unicron [61736]
Peacefull and Faction is an oxymoron . The fact factions can be peacefull is ridiculous so i dont see why the peacefulls bitch.If you dont want to be attacked go buy a company


erm you may have a good enough dictionary to tell you what an oxymoron is but if you study the term faction you will find that it is not exclusively an aggressive phenomenon, ergo a peaceful faction is not an oxymoron at all.


Edited by: Morticia-Addams on 24/06/08 at 6:48:15 PM


I know quite well what one is and a peacefull faction is a perfect contradictory representation



Afraid not, political parties, socio-economic groups all have factions and all are not aggressive, I'm afraid what you know doesn't bear much resemblance to what is in fact true, but hey don't let a little something like truth bog you down


Edited by: Morticia-Addams on 24/06/08 at 7:01:42 PM



We are talking about torncity, not political parties or socio economics. Although if you want to be a realist anyone can walk up to anyone and shoot them if they own a gun and do damage to there group or faction. The ability to be "peacefull" as it equates in TC is not acheivable in real life.This is a stupid point to argue and i'm not sure why you are picking a fight but maybe you should take a look at truth from a different angle because yours seems to be of butterflys and caterpillers.

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 19:06:18
We are talking about the simple truth that the term Peaceful faction is NOT an oxymoron.

Yes anyone can walk up to anyone and shoot them if they have a gun, and anyone can in TC but a faction can be peaceful. Shooting someone does not make them aggressive, getting shot cannot be construed as an act of violence, they can still be peaceful.


Edited by: Morticia-Addams on 24/06/08 at 7:10:08 PM

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Posted on Tue Jun 24, 2008 19:08:56
You can lead a Unicron to truth, but you can't make him think.

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