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BigRico
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:55:27
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agree with darth,,,the hof have got a line into the staff...if there was honesty from the start it would have been ok...but there has been no honesty only trickery and slyness
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MillionsKnives
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:56:15
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just get rid of factions....put it back to the old style where if oyu put a tagg in your name if you want to be in a faction...that would get rid of most of this shit and things would actually be fun....but no, ppl dont wanna give up their OCs and crap i guess...oh well im bored and ive been playing TC too logn anyways
Edited by: chilledXheart on 09/03/08 at 1:40:00 PM
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theSilence
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:57:25
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By Chedburn [1]
We wanted to give factions the choice… To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive.
The issue we were faced with... what would happen in 6 months? All factions but one would inevitably end up peaceful, destroying the whole point of factions. It is supposed to be a dangerous world; the decisions you make are supposed to affect you, positively or negatively to create meaningful play. The change was by no means influenced by any other factions or people.
Three months is a long time, a long time to get all of your faction members ready to protect themselves, build up a respect buffer from OCs and gain allies. The three months, by the way, started for all factions yesterday, so you all have the same amount of time to get ready. And of course, with the new 50 faction war base limit it should make things really interesting. Just because your faction was destroyed last time, it doesn’t mean the same will happen this time… We’re even giving you 3 months to get prepared.
Over these three months, more things will change. For example, OC respect gain may be upped including the adding of additional OCs and an easier system to plan and initiate them. Small disadvantages may be added to higher factions attacking lower factions. At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system.
I realise the peaceful status change may have came as a shock, but try to think of it as a new beginning, a chance for you to prove yourself without having to have the nanny that you call “peaceful status”.
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Why , Chedburn.
First of all...
I realise the peaceful status change may have came as a shock, but try to think of it as a new beginning, a chance for you to prove yourself without having to have the nanny that you call “peaceful status”.
Damn it, Chedburn! It was YOU who called it 'peaceful status' first, Einstein. All usage of 'peaceful status' was necessarily subsequent to your own.
Are you seriously disparaging the nearly 800 TC players who chose to form peaceful factions by telling them they were 'relying on a nanny'? Wasn't it YOU who sold them the Nanny in the first place? Cheburn Old Boy, you are bringing parseltongue to a new low speaking such vile doublespeak to 'donators' whose donations you have the ethical responsibility to protect. It is WRONG to rake in donation money and then have the temerity to ridicule your very donators for their donation! You made roughly $16,000 in purchased donator packs from your member base who 'purchased that Nanny' in good faith. A lot of these people who shelled-out money are kids and shut-ins to whom $20 USD to start a peaceful faction (faction price plus some minor upgrading) represents a great deal of money. Shame on you Chedburn.
And are you aware that you vacililate like a weatercock blown by the winds of HOF Warring Faction whimsy, Ched? On the one hand, we're supposed to trust your wisdom and vision of the 'long haul' and 'what's good for the game'...
You are holding on to the goodwill of a very small per centage of your Member Base at the cost of the goodwill of the rest of your Members. It's bad math for you. Those of us who are not members of an HOF Warring Faction DO NOT consider it our manifest destiny to be used by you or your admins as pawns for the advancement of the HOF Warring Factions.
Accept your responsibilities to ALL of TC's Members, Ched.
Edited by: theSilence on 09/03/08 at 1:03:34 PM
Edited by: chilledXheart on 09/03/08 at 2:29:49 PM
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DirtyWarlock
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:58:22
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Mr_B, good post. perhaps once a HoF faction makes it into the "HoF" then they should only be able to attack other factions in the HoF. a tier system that allows / encourages factions to war and improve. the good faction updates ched made are an incentive to war, its just most factions cant grow. as most (not all) ask for 10, 15mil from factions that have no where near that kind of cash, and when you have multiple factions asking for the same amount.... just gets silly.
TC is about wars and fun, just seems that the fun is being taking out of the wars. Put some real respect into wars!
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LunaClaire
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:58:48
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By JimbobBEng [27610]
i think factions should be able to remain peaceful for longer periods by purchasing "protection" upgrades for their faction.. with cash, respect or points...
That way rather than just having a free peaceful faction to make money from OCs they would be paying to stay out of wars at a fixed rate.. so they could enjoy the faction environment without getting raped by hof factions...
It would be the same as paying surrender fees really, but without the fact that surrender means nothing because the aggressors can pass your name on / declare again 10 mins later |
I agree with this!!!!!!!!!!
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354043
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:58:58
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Hey Ched, you tricked us good this time, hundres of new factions, with more respect, have been created and are now fat for the slaughter.
I for one will be deleting my faction rather than see the few and powerful get my 250 respect.
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KniteStarz
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:59:06
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By DirtyWarlock [116791]
meaningful play? sadly the updates only benefit the already strong and widen the gap significantly. i appreciate that you will over the next 3 months perhaps bring out new updates that help the smaller faction. but take a step back and look at this.
imagine that there are only two factions in TC. "The Strong" and "The weak" they where fighting it out, the updates came out and "the strong" got stronger and "the weak" stayed weak and had a harder time that usual.
all that is lacking here is balance, the latest updates help the already strong, and the promise of some balance later in the year, might be too late for some of us.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. I could have added more, but why? It does absolutely no good. The corrupt....I mean....The strong, rule the faction world and only get stronger. The mid-sized ones like us are only wasting time and throwing away money. Where the h*ll is the balance here? Some little ray of hope for us who don't have 200k + stats, 50+ members, and 3 day long chains ? The ones of us who have a life outside of Tc but are active IN Tc and would like to have just a little glimmer of a chance ?
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theSilence
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:59:39
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GA MillionsKnives ID: 2355
Could somebody PLEASE make this idiot reduce the size of his sig??!!
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Eme
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:59:55
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"what would happen in 6 months?" how can you tell ? do you have something that show the future in TC ?
who lame can this be ?
"we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system." nice... you like the system we HAVE to like the system you don't like the system we DON'T like the system too
great yes... how about this... a lvl 40 faction attacks a lvl 20 faction and get less respect that would get if attacks a lvl 40 faction so... instead of attacking 1 lvl 40 faction they attack 3~5 lvl 5 faction it's easy they will not bother you and... you will earn the same amount of respect... well done
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_sarge_
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:00:18
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New to the game......... encouraged by some friends who started a faction..... started injecting some real world cash $$$.... but what's the point, I doubt us noobs can get strong enough in 91 days to survive.
Whatever we did we would always be 91 days behind those that were here before.
Guess we'll take our cash elsewhere.
Peaceful ?? Well I've been kicked all over TC and had more hospital food than I care for.... but I stayed and played.
My faction is a collection of friends enjoying TC and building together.... we war individually..... but use our faction to survive long enough to advance indvidually and get a little help along the way.
It's a shame you think factions are only about war... they encourage and train noobs, who may otherwise leave after their first mugging from a player 20 levels higher, seeing no way to compete.
Carry on taking out the noobs, you're only killing off TC.
Have fun wiping each other out......... when there's no one left..... look for us noobs and our money you will have driven us to another game.
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airil_syah
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:00:41
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By DelGirl [621704]
By Neon_Knight [354043]
After 90 days I will be deleting my faction, that's better than being in the hospital every day till it dies. |
Me too.
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hmm... i'll talk to my boss about this...
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Minxie
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:01:21
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again broken promises springs to mind, all those who invested in peaceful factions have basically been scammed and that being the case money should be returned.
But we all know that will never happen.
I think alot of people who are in peaceful factions will just go back to being factionless.
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ClickHere
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:01:48
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Then what was the point in the update?
Your going to change it in another few day again so that its pointless even having a faction ...
Edited by: AAHH on 09/03/08 at 1:03:47 PM
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Equilibrium
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:01:55
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By Chedburn [1]
By AzureKenzo [302973]
who would happy with this? really doubt it would benefits low lvs or who just wanna stay away from war! |
Then they shouldn't be in a faction: that's what companies are for. |
YOU told them that they could be in a faction if they wanted to stay away from war.
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Moonbeam
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:03:11
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One day mascara will be introduced and it will be DV or HT's fault for trying to beautify the players of TC.
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zzaacckk
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:03:16
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now we can spend the next year seeing white screens every time we log in....maybe if factions were limited to some number of uber players you would not have the four bullies and all the rest.
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I've been
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Marshmallow
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:03:55
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just delete those damn factions
says after 6 months no one will be left to war..
quite correct with this new update there will be actually no one to war afte r 6 months
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bigdaddyb0
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:04:41
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you say companys are for lower levels but you need to get at least 6 mil what lower leval has that kind of cash this up date is silly and should be put back all faction will go to war evently in there own time we should have it how we want it we are the ones who keep this site alive with out us it is usless there be a pole vote and what we want we get so if we vote for it back we get it back i will exspect some to get back to me thanks alot
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354043
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:05:12
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By Moonbeam [278060]
For those whining that they don't have a place to chillax.
Since when did TC become such a happy-happy place to socialize with your friends in factions that are supposed to be warring (oh and sucking up when they see the white screen because, guess what, that's why you've been training your battle stats and joined a faction. Noobs aren't forced to join a faction. I for one lied low for a long, LONG time and never once saw hosp until I joined a faction and I was fine with it because, you know what, it's a game. A criminal game at that). "I don't want to use MSN or Yahoo, it's lame! I want to use TC as a social network!" well sorry but TC was not born with such intentions in mind. |
I don't think you get it, people are pissed because they were dupped into creating factions only to find out later that they will be destroyed.
It's like creating a little league team then finding out you're playing the NY Giants next week.
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MillionsKnives
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:05:50
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thesilence, i dot it on purpose because its fun, im old, ppl knwo me, maybe not you ppl wuth 100k+ id but i dont give a crap, imn ot gettgin rid of it on my own
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Ankherias
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:06:23
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I've given up on factions altogether now. In response to the fact that all newly created factions chose to be peaceful - well what did you expect, otherwise they would get destroyed instantly. I though that was the whole point of the update..
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Moonbeam
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:06:55
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| don't think you get it, people are pissed because they were dupped into creating factions only to find out later that they will be destroyed. |
Reread the first sentence of my post.
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Nicolechen
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:08:44
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Hmm... bad update.
Many people are in peaceful factions only because of the word "peaceful".
With this update , 91 days later , factions will lose the fun , around 50% of the factions gonna get deleted and having a faction will be pointless if you are low lvl.
I repeat , bad update...
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Evil_Cockney
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:10:15
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By Chedburn [1]
Small disadvantages may be added to higher factions attacking lower factions. At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system. |
IMO this is the one thing that can be done to redress the balance.
I suggested some time ago a sliding scale of respect gain based on attacker vs defender level, the wider the gap the less respect gained until the gap becomes so wide they gain nothing or actually start to lose it.
Strong factions need to be encouraged into more evenly balanced wars rather than the feeble one sided respect farming that is currently destroying the best part of the game.
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Iggy_Geezer
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:11:05
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[i]By Chedburn [1]
Then they shouldn't be in a faction: that's what companies are for. |
I would have no problem with that statement or indeed the whole 90 day peace limit, if this had been made clear from the start. Had I known that then I would not have started my own faction and spent money on upgrades.
I can understand Ched and Co wanting to rethink their game rules in good faith for what they see as the benefit of the game, however this should be done bearing their customers in mind as well. Therefore it is only fair that those people who spent money in good faith should be given the opportunity to recoup the cost of their factions if they no longer want them on this new basis.
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theSilence
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:11:43
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By MillionsKnives [2355]
thesilence, i dot it on purpose because its fun, im old, ppl knwo me, maybe not you ppl wuth 100k+ id but i dont give a crap, imn ot gettgin rid of it on my own |
Thank God for your low player ID, MillionKnives! It greatly reduces how f&*king annoying it is having to horizontal scroll.
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:13:05
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By AlguzarA [648920]
Hmm... bad update.
Many people are in peaceful factions only because of the word "peaceful".
With this update , 91 days later , factions will lose the fun , around 50% of the factions gonna get deleted and having a faction will be pointless if you are low lvl.
I repeat , bad update... |
actually more than 50% !
at least 90% .
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Marshmallow
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:13:15
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either way the deletion is sure to begin in 90 days
the respect reserve is gonna get deleted rather than handed over to those chainers
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T-Gohn
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:13:15
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I welcome this development. My faction, she's unsinkable!
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Big_Irish
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 13:13:25
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I kinda see this like raceing, not worth my time. And like raceing I'm not gonna win this either. I spent about 3 million on a race car I can't even use since the same people race 24/7 and can't be beat.
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