| Forum Main>>Announcements>> Factions continued... |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
12Digitdan
ID: 5510
Level: 48
Posts: 1471
Score: 34
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:48:39
|
and BTW My faction with the 8k respect that we cant get to peaceful status now is gonna be deleted...The warmongers can blow it out their smokestacks if they (or you ) think I am turning that 100 mill that one cost me over to them today or any other day....Go kill the little guys somemore ...That pile of respect is GONE!! Almost 1200 days in this game to have changes that effectively prevent me from owning a good faction... Wow Do I regret my donations....
|
quote "TORN?...I created it for a hobby, never for money" endquote
Chedburn June 2009 phpgamespace.com
Really? |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
ID:
Level:
Posts:
Score:
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:48:43
|
"Someone else said it here in this thread. It is a bit like a grown man or woman attacking a kid."
Yeah i said that! And it's true!
Edited by: MichaelCorleone on 09/03/08 at 8:50:51 PM
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Lady_Wyrd
ID: 426366
Level: 40
Posts: 1113
Score: 270
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:52:11
|
ok i agree- TC needs the agressive status for its factions- else we would all be training for nothing really- attacking each other is a large part of the game. I think with increased respect for OC's and a decrease for high levels attacking low levels it should even it out more- as high levels wont (shouldnt) pick on lower factions when their warbase can only hold 50!
Well done on figuring a way for it work- keep going!!
|
 |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Robertas
ID: 331385
Level: 67
Posts: 2738
Score: 121
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:52:30
|
By Kevk [300065]
Thank god this update happened, peaceful status sucks, factions were made to war if you dont want to participate in wars then you shouldnt be in a faction, as ched said thats what companies are for
@RogueStar, maybe if you actually knew anything you would know that DA has been at war with just about every HoF faction at some point so stop crying, dont like war dont join a faction
Edited by: Kevk on 09/03/08 at 8:39:27 PM |
OK, but people should get their money back. They did not know that they would lose their peaceful status in tree months. Most of the owners of these new factions are not very old and 3 millions is a huge sum of money for them to be wasted.
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Kevk
ID: 300065
Level: 72
Posts: 1369
Score: 125
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:53:02
|
lol your all saying lets declare on the HoF but i guess you guys missed the part where YOU can only declare on 50 factions, so everyone declaring on the HoF hurts absolutly noone because it doesnt affect us whatsoever we can still go on and declare even if 50 people declared on us so good idea guys
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Diamonddog
ID: 665466
Level: 28
Posts: 217
Score: -89
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:56:38
|
Another point about the "If you don't want to war, don't join a faction" argument:
You're kidding, right? A faction has a FUNCTION of warring and attacking - much like it has a FUNCTION of OC'ing for money. It just so happens it also has a FUNCTION of getting players together into a team for the collective progression of each individual, and in the end, the faction. Do you actually think a high level elitist faction would take a new player into their ranks? What kind of comradery or collective benefit are we encouraging? The PURPOSE of factions is to bring players together for a collective good. Its direct PURPOSE is not to war, nor to OC, chain, etc. This update says different, and it detours everyone except the elite, from enjoying this game.
Diversity is what springboards success. If you make diverse factions, where they can all be successful in their own right - you're going to create a gold mine. If, as this update does, you unify the system to allow for monopolies and dominations - you're going to see failure in the end.
I should be able to start a Faction for new players. I should be able to start a faction for retirees. I should be able to start a faction for friends, regardless of levels. I should not be obliterated for that decision. You are causing us to be obliterated in the long run, because of this update.
Re-think this update, or re-think your idea of factions. "Just join a company" serves no purpose as there is no forum, no armoury, no medical supplies, and certainly no fun.
I will be gone from Torn City in 91 days if something isn't done. I have a funny feeling I won't be the only one.
Regards,
Diamonddog
|
 |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Damage
ID: 651141
Level: 62
Posts: 899
Score: 70
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:56:39
|
By Kevk [300065]
lol your all saying lets declare on the HoF but i guess you guys missed the part where YOU can only declare on 50 factions, so everyone declaring on the HoF hurts absolutly noone because it doesnt affect us whatsoever we can still go on and declare even if 50 people declared on us so good idea guys |
So, I'm not gonna be the evil mastermind of the year? frag....
|
 |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
ID:
Level:
Posts:
Score:
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:57:20
|
Go here
PETITON/VOTE for Peaceful Factions
http://www.torncity.com/forums.php?forumID=2&ID=2490194
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
BigRico
ID: 610420
Level: 65
Posts: 1912
Score: 1154
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:58:10
|
evry body delete your peaceful faction,,i know this would mean losin money but still is better than givin it all to the hof like ched obviousley wants
|
| BigRico A.K.A Dreadraas |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
RogueStar
ID: 301941
Level: 57
Posts: 51
Score: 2
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:58:33
|
By Kevk [300065]
Thank god this update happened, peaceful status sucks, factions were made to war if you dont want to participate in wars then you shouldnt be in a faction, as ched said thats what companies are for
@RogueStar, maybe if you actually knew anything you would know that DA has been at war with just about every HoF faction at some point so stop crying, dont like war dont join a faction
Edited by: Kevk on 09/03/08 at 8:39:27 PM |
honor among theives, errr, HOF. great you are just as good at raping and pillaging noob factions as HOF and now you are one of them. great j0rb!
don't join a faction? get lost, noobs have more of a right to be in a faction than you cheap ass HOF. if noobs want to war, they can leave peaceful status whenever they want. the fact they are in a peaceful faction indicates that there is a problem with a system. i doubt anyone in DA qualifies as a noob, so STFU and don't tell me that noobs are on an equal playing field.
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Kevk
ID: 300065
Level: 72
Posts: 1369
Score: 125
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:01:28
|
i doubt anyone in DA qualifies as a noob, so STFU and don't tell me that noobs are on an equal playing field.
|
ROFL obviously you havent seen our members list
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
BigRico
ID: 610420
Level: 65
Posts: 1912
Score: 1154
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:01:58
|
we who didnt want to war didnt join factions,,then we were offered peaceful factions thats why we joined them,,,to say if you didnt want war dont join faction is completely missin the point....we have been scammed
|
| BigRico A.K.A Dreadraas |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Rino_007
ID: 344056
Level: 63
Posts: 4329
Score: 1435
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:05:19
|
By JimbobBEng [27610]
i think factions should be able to remain peaceful for longer periods by purchasing "protection" upgrades for their faction.. with cash, respect or points...
That way rather than just having a free peaceful faction to make money from OCs they would be paying to stay out of wars at a fixed rate.. so they could enjoy the faction environment without getting raped by hof factions...
It would be the same as paying surrender fees really, but without the fact that surrender means nothing because the aggressors can pass your name on / declare again 10 mins later |
I agree with this. I would definitely buy this upgrade. Or maybe make it into some sort of a donate option item? Surely that would make more markets boom. I would not have joined factions had I known that we would have had 90 day to go to war.
|
 Apply here if you have over 500k stats or are extremely active. |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
The-ROCK-Pile
ID: 1017
Level: 79
Posts: 4426
Score: 326
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:07:02
|
By dreadraas_TLG [610420]
evry body delete your peaceful faction,,i know this would mean losin money but still is better than givin it all to the hof like ched obviousley wants |
Right on just before the 91 days is up we will hit the delete link. Every one in our faction agrees so it will happen.
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
12Digitdan
ID: 5510
Level: 48
Posts: 1471
Score: 34
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:08:06
|
Why is ther no Surrender option for any of us...I surrender!!!! THey won...Now why wont they quit and go home and let the rest of us play and have fun.....I say tell them to war themselves...If they got now wars its not my fault....Its their own Greedy bastards killed everyone and now they want to whine and get access to everyone else's RL cash and DPs and respect etc....Peaceful was a good deal for us..Most players intended to come back and war....ON OUR OWN TERMS...Not the HOFs...When we had a chance....You just let them talk you into taking that chance away.....
|
quote "TORN?...I created it for a hobby, never for money" endquote
Chedburn June 2009 phpgamespace.com
Really? |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Big_Cactus
ID: 28723
Level: 40
Posts: 20
Score: 0
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:10:39
|
Peaceful status was implemented to help out smaller factions. With you taking away the peaceful status w/out a vote of any kind shows you are lobbying with the higher lvl factions!!! Now they have 800 factions with 250+ respect to tear thru in 90 days and help there members even get stronger with the new system where you can use respect for upgrades to your members. Looks almost planned to get a bunch of new factions started for higher lvls to get respect from? IF U DONT WANT PEOPLE THINKING THAT WAY, PUT THIS TO A VOTE!!!!! If there is no vote everyone who bought a faction since the change should have the option of losing there faction for a refund, cause i dont know about others but i dont even wanna give my 250 respect to the powerhouses in this game that attack everyone...Everyone who thinks this should be voted on reply to this with vote or something so we can get a vote going!!!
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
IceyAngels
ID: 657958
Level: 56
Posts: 69
Score: 5
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:10:39
|
Well, I have been a donator since the day I started, 56 days ago. Not another penny of my own money will I invest in this game. I am only level 10, please don't tell me I will have a million stats in 91 days. I play 16 hours a day and still not even in the 10,000 stats. Now trying to make some money being in a PEACEFUL faction to buy better equipment and be better protected you have taken this away from us. You are wanting us to do it on our own without help. So be it. At 91 days, I will go factionless, but don't expect me to spend another hard earned dollar of my own money. I will go invest it in another online games that want the players to stay in their game.
Doesn't seem like Ched wants us new players here to help TC grow. Good luck with that.
|
***The true measure of an individual is how he treats a person who can do him absolutely no good***
***Women are like phones: They like to be held, talked to, and touched often. But push the wrong button and your ass is disconnected!*** |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
NICKJLVR101
ID: 702281
Level: 5
Posts: 4
Score: 0
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:11:02
|
By Chedburn [1]
We wanted to give factions the choice… To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive.
The issue we were faced with... what would happen in 6 months? All factions but one would inevitably end up peaceful, destroying the whole point of factions. It is supposed to be a dangerous world; the decisions you make are supposed to affect you, positively or negatively to create meaningful play. The change was by no means influenced by any other factions or people.
Three months is a long time, a long time to get all of your faction members ready to protect themselves, build up a respect buffer from OCs and gain allies. The three months, by the way, started for all factions yesterday, so you all have the same amount of time to get ready. And of course, with the new 50 faction war base limit it should make things really interesting. Just because your faction was destroyed last time, it doesn’t mean the same will happen this time… We’re even giving you 3 months to get prepared.
Over these three months, more things will change. For example, OC respect gain may be upped including the adding of additional OCs and an easier system to plan and initiate them. Small disadvantages may be added to higher factions attacking lower factions. At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system.
I realise the peaceful status change may have came as a shock, but try to think of it as a new beginning, a chance for you to prove yourself without having to have the nanny that you call “peaceful status”.
Thank you. |
Tha was a very nice statement!!!!!!!! and i agree!:|o
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
The-ROCK-Pile
ID: 1017
Level: 79
Posts: 4426
Score: 326
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:11:07
|
VOTE FOR PEACE
http://www.torncity.com/forums.php?forumID=2&ID=2490194
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
MaverickAGM
ID: 109784
Level: 63
Posts: 1488
Score: 128
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:11:58
|
Problem
ched, this still dosent change the fact that people bought factions bc of the update......got scamed out of there money...... bottom line ........people bought factions for there paceful status..... and these people got scamed out of there money because you have yet made anther change that totaly contradicts the fact of why people bought into factions..... ched you have failed to fix this problem .......
Suggestion
there should be some kinda reimbursement like 70% of what they paied for the faction, because of the false security you have given all the people buying into factions.....given that people are goin to make some money from the ocs 70% would be a fair amount.....
Edited by: MaverickAGM on 09/03/08 at 9:13:16 PM
|
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Robertas
ID: 331385
Level: 67
Posts: 2738
Score: 121
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:14:57
|
By IceyAngels [657958]
Well, I have been a donator since the day I started, 56 days ago. Not another penny of my own money will I invest in this game. I am only level 10, please don't tell me I will have a million stats in 91 days. I play 16 hours a day and still not even in the 10,000 stats. Now trying to make some money being in a PEACEFUL faction to buy better equipment and be better protected you have taken this away from us. You are wanting us to do it on our own without help. So be it. At 91 days, I will go factionless, but don't expect me to spend another hard earned dollar of my own money. I will go invest it in another online games that want the players to stay in their game.
Doesn't seem like Ched wants us new players here to help TC grow. Good luck with that. |
+1
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Styx
ID: 420347
Level: 61
Posts: 5225
Score: 891
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:15:06
|
I suggested long ago, that honor should be implemented here, let me explain it again, what Ched is suggesting is similar to what I suggested.
If a level 40 attacks a level 10 he would lose honor, lots actually.(100%)
If a level 10 attacks a level 40 and wins he would max the honor out. Max 100%
But if a level 20 hits a level 20 and who ever wins would gain little honor and the loser would lose some but not lots.
The same thing could apply to factions, if a 50k respect faction hits a 1k faction major respect would be loss.
etc...
So had someone only listened to my suggestion months ago, we could have implemented long before now and saved many factions from being destroyed.
Once your honor hits 0% you may not be allowed to attack someone smaller until you raise your honor back up above 10%. Same would apply to factions.....
|
 |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
MachineGunSteve
ID: 184119
Level: 71
Posts: 5180
Score: 3358
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:15:50
|
Government intervention rarely works... even in games. Who really thought this was going to work anyway? This is a crime game right, so what point is there to peaceful factions to begin with? It was a silly idea, but at least the creator (the de facto government of Torn) has come to its senses in relatively short order. I am only upset because I wasted the cash to start one of these silly "peaceful" factions. I figured why not peacefully make a few extra coins, and have a place to stash some cash, but now it will be back to solo play. Such is life.
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
RogueStar
ID: 301941
Level: 57
Posts: 51
Score: 2
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:16:41
|
just because you have a couple of 250 d/o in your clubhouse does not mean you've got noobs. there are 220k players under 250 d/o versus 55k that are over 250 d/o. try again.
as long as warring is broken peaceful factions should remain. if its true that there's no reason for a peaceful faction to become aggressive, war should be changed to make it more attractive, rather than a money hole to fatten up the HOF.
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
BigRico
ID: 610420
Level: 65
Posts: 1912
Score: 1154
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:17:32
|
i will never spend another penny on this game either....will find a game that doesnt move the goalposts to suit certain teams
|
| BigRico A.K.A Dreadraas |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
ID:
Level:
Posts:
Score:
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:18:31
|
Hahaha sounds like an interesting system, i can dig
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
Shadow_Heart
ID: 9036
Level: 51
Posts: 1422
Score: 6
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:19:39
|
Ched I think since you listened to those few HoF factions and made a change, now hear the cries of pretty much 95% of the game players and work something out... This is the first time something has caused so much commotion and its for a reason! HoF factions are just out of control attacking no0b factions getting easy cash and respect! And guess what? NOTHING was ever done until a little bit ago that just reduced the respect they gained. What did it do though? NOTHING they still get what they want! Maybe just a little bit slower. And like everyone has been saying, the fact that only 2 factions went hostile should not tell you that the update is wrong BUT that the system that the game is running on is wrong! People dont want to go hostile because they know what to expect from the HoF factions! And 90 days is nothing! You can get so little respect in that period of time and its not like during those 90 days the HoF factions will just stop training their 10+ million in stats and we will magically catch up to them and actually be a match for them... That is just ridiculous! HoF will just be waiting for factions to get out of Peaceful status and then hunt them down... Please fix this...
|
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
The-ROCK-Pile
ID: 1017
Level: 79
Posts: 4426
Score: 326
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:20:38
|
By MaverickAGM [109784]
Problem
ched, this still dosent change the fact that people bought factions bc of the update......got scamed out of there money...... bottom line ........people bought factions for there paceful status..... and these people got scamed out of there money because you have yet made anther change that totaly contradicts the fact of why people bought into factions..... ched you have failed to fix this problem .......
[/i] |
So true this is one strong point. Not only that I can think of so many other reason and over time I will post them all. I am so pissed it is not funny.
|
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
JRawR
ID: 271642
Level: 54
Posts: 3107
Score: 263
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:21:07
|
you should have just reset the whole game.
would have pissed alot of people off but would have made it fairer in the long run.
meh.
whatever, its only a game afterall.
|
| Click here to view my bazaar |
| Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0 |
CrazyDiamond
ID: 364765
Level: 69
Posts: 872
Score: 21
|
Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 21:21:28
|
By Chedburn [1]
We wanted to give factions the choice…
who is we ? i thought you ran the game, ? staff/admins are ment to keep the game clean.not help ruin it for others.or even ruin it for YOU.
Edited by: CrazyDiamond on 09/03/08 at 9:23:10 PM
|
|
|
|
![12Digitdan [5510]](http://awardimages.torn.com/5510-59173-large.png "12Digitdan [5510]")
![[]](http://awardimages.torn.com/--large.png "[]")
![Lady_Wyrd [426366]](http://awardimages.torn.com/426366-4164-large.png "Lady_Wyrd [426366]")
![Robertas [331385]](http://awardimages.torn.com/331385-21244-large.png "Robertas [331385]")
![Kevk [300065]](http://awardimages.torn.com/300065-83726-large.png "Kevk [300065]")
![Diamonddog [665466]](http://awardimages.torn.com/665466-75012-large.png "Diamonddog [665466]")
![Damage [651141]](http://awardimages.torn.com/651141-37387-large.png "Damage [651141]")
![BigRico [610420]](http://awardimages.torn.com/610420-82263-large.png "BigRico [610420]")
![RogueStar [301941]](http://awardimages.torn.com/301941-16077-large.png "RogueStar [301941]")
![Rino_007 [344056]](http://awardimages.torn.com/344056-20611-large.png "Rino_007 [344056]")
![The-ROCK-Pile [1017]](http://awardimages.torn.com/1017-63862-large.png "The-ROCK-Pile [1017]")
![Big_Cactus [28723]](http://awardimages.torn.com/28723-21670-large.png "Big_Cactus [28723]")
![IceyAngels [657958]](http://awardimages.torn.com/657958-4245-large.png "IceyAngels [657958]")
![NICKJLVR101 [702281]](http://awardimages.torn.com/702281-45734-large.png "NICKJLVR101 [702281]")
![MaverickAGM [109784]](http://awardimages.torn.com/109784-39886-large.png "MaverickAGM [109784]")
![Styx [420347]](http://awardimages.torn.com/420347-85583-large.png "Styx [420347]")
![MachineGunSteve [184119]](http://awardimages.torn.com/184119-21906-large.png "MachineGunSteve [184119]")
![Shadow_Heart [9036]](http://awardimages.torn.com/9036-45676-large.png "Shadow_Heart [9036]")
![JRawR [271642]](http://awardimages.torn.com/271642-39825-large.png "JRawR [271642]")
![CrazyDiamond [364765]](http://awardimages.torn.com/364765-82403-large.png "CrazyDiamond [364765]")
Follow @TornRPG