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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:09:29
Let say 800 peaceful factions were formed. And 10 a faction that is 8000 players telling you we DO NOT want war. If we want war we will leave our factions and join one that is warring did you ever THINK of that?????????

Now take this crap 91 days of peace off the faction we paid for!!! Stop CHEATING us and LEAVE US ALONE.


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:12:13
By Rock_BB_House [1017]
Let say 800 peaceful factions were formed. And 10 a faction that is 8000 players telling you we DO NOT want war. If we want war we will leave our factions and join one that is warring did you ever THINK of that?????????

Now take this crap 91 days of peace off the faction we paid for!!! Stop CHEATING us and LEAVE US ALONE.


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:13:01
@DV, PT, DA

why don't you guys war each other and leave the rest of us alone. if TC is supposed to be so dangerous then you guys won't mind warring each other until YOU ZERO EACH OTHER. after all the HOF factions are zero'd, you guys can come after me.

how about this as new rules for HOF factions to make TC "dangerous"
1. you cannot leave your faction (let's make it dangerous!)
2. you cannot fly away (well we can't have players enjoying peace!)
3. you must war only the faction 1 rank above you (you don't mind fighting against the odds, do you? "we are teh eleet!")
4. you must chain 3 times a week (hey anybody can do it, we have no lives!)
5. all members must participate in a chain (only noobs are so disorganized that they can't participate, lolz!!!)
6. failing to chain results in your faction being zero'd (only noobs don't fight back!!)
7. war cannot end until one of the factions is zero (surrender is for noobs! lolz, those noobs never learn!!)
8. when war is over next highest faction is declared on (hey it's a part of the game, when one war is over, the next biggest guy on the street is always. being a noob is too easy, lolz!)
9. rinse, repeat (hey, we can always kill noobs, so let's kill each other now, just the same!)

TC obviously isn't dangerous enough for you lame ass HOF factions. let's see how you like those rules, because that's the equivalent of what you guys are expecting the noob factions to fight.

i've been playing for two year, and i might _maybe_ be in the top 10%, but i still don't have any chance at all against HOF if i were in a real faction. so don't go expecting that noobs will be your slaughter house fodder.

you can bite my shiny red ass.


Edited by: RogueStar on 09/03/08 at 8:28:37 PM

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:14:05
this is unfair. i am the owner of a small faction who has low levels and we like to train without war... we do this to train players in torncity without being attacked! if this was to come in place i would exepct my 2.8million back because my faction will be destroyed and it was hard for me to afford it in the first place i do not think this is a good idea!!

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The-ROCK-Pile

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:15:46
ched you have never met up with so much opposition as this on a subject before so you can tell we are all very unhappy with what you did.

You did a good thing implementing peaceful factions and it works for the majority. Now put it back this is stealing and cheating deliberately when we pay real money to your game to purchase a peaceful faction that you coded into the game you canāt just change it like this you DO NOT even as the owner of the game have the right to do this. I have owned a game as successful as yours so I can speak from experience. And yes I have tons of money in real for my game just like you do from this one. So I can honestly say first hand you are WRONG.

TC war dying and you brought it back to life with peaceful factions PLEASE do not kill this game give us our peace back!!!


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:16:10
Alright well i agree, and i have a better understanding now then i did last night, thank you for explaining and hopefully this change will be better for all involved!! Last nights announcement really was a shock, but mostly i think because of lack of reason why and explaination. Thanks Ched!!!

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:17:20
Another option: Allow a more elaborate forum for the companies for those who just want to talk.

Another option: Allow attacks to "generate" respect.


Edited by: Dvoider on 09/03/08 at 8:53:49 PM

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:17:26
you should make a rule that a faction can not war with a faction that has more then 200 respect less there there faction has that will be a good upgrade

and by the way the only reason why people started all these new factions was so they can make cash not to war this is BS ok THIS SHOULD ONLY HAPPEN IF YOU FIX THE RULES ABOUT BIG FACTIONS WARING ON SMALL ONES, NOT ONLY BIG FACTIONS JUST FACTIONS WITH 200 MORE RESPECT, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FIX THE RULE, SO ALL THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS IN 3 MONTHS MOST OF THE FACTIONS WILL DIE AND IT WILL ALL GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE THE PEACEFUL STATS WAS POSSIBLE SO JUST SAY GOODBYE TO MOST THE FACTIONS INCLUDING MY FACTION SO BYE FACTION WE HAVE BEEN SCREWED ONCE AGAIN SO THANKS

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:18:06
yeah the only reason i started my faction was to help people do oc's and hang out with a few friends that i know both in game and in real life, knowing we weould be realativly safe, but thanks to the admin pampering of their own hof factions, all factions like mine get royaly f**ked up the ass

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:21:15
By -Jen- [267149]
Ever notice you don't see the high levels attacking the lower levels when they are trying to level up but you put the word war in with it and they attack the hell out of them only to gain respect. Like I said before set some boundaries on who can attack who. Whether it be sorted by levels, days old, or faction respect . I love to chain and everyone should be given a more fair chance to advance.



i still think based on stats not lvl or faction respect...... if based on lvl more will just sit on the upgrade button as lvl means shit
ive spied lvl 20's with 2 mil totals and lvl 40's with 500k totals so say those lvl 20 lvl holders declare on the lvl 30 or 40s with lower stats they would gain great but the 30 40's couldnt fight back as they would lose respect or gain shit ....so imo it needs to be total stats



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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:21:59
Here is another point some lol level 51 high levels feel the same heat the low levels feel we do not want war. Look at the players in my wifeās faction which I am apart of. They were N/A until peaceful factions were implemented and WE WILL be N/A when out peaceful status changed. This faction I am in now will be DELETED before the peaceful status changes no one will get one point of respect from this faction.

How can you rip us off like this???


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:23:30
easy solution. everyone fly out to South Africa to protest until there is an update where everyone has a chance to catch up with the stronger players.

I get 200 extra speed with 15 trains(150 energy), I knew someone who gained 200 speed from just 1 train(10 energy). Anyone tell me how that is fair for any new player that joins TC? There is no way I can train more than 15 times more that player to catch him up.

Another point. How can i fire at a higher level using my minigun or an rpg launcher and keep missing. Is he f*cking superman


Edited by: CoolHandLuke on 09/03/08 at 8:27:53 PM

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:23:57
This problem was created by all the powerhouse factions Their shortsightedness led them to zero out all the factions that they declared on. Once a faction is zero'ed out they have no incentive to start a new one leading to the loss of targets. If these same factions were only warred to to a certain respect level they would have been able to earn enough respect to keep going and there would of been more factions around. With this new update all you are going to see is a whole lot of factions being deleted and the no additional factions available to attack.

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:26:45
Here is our future:(

Faction: N/A

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:28:33
By Lost_Boys [596724]
Here is our future:(

Faction: N/A


yeah, I swore off factions before the peaceful status, and it looks like I probaly will do so agian

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:33:32
By Glacier [45435]
90 days? thats a damn joke. there is no way a lvl 10-20 can gain enough stats to take on a cowardly hof faction in only 90 days. the hof should fight each other, and stop playing the playground bully. just my opinion.



hell theres no way a lvl 40 can do it .......... when bigger factions declared on me i had to hit their lowwer lvl's to keep my respect up now if they make it so you get less respect theres no way my little faction will be here ...SCORE 1 more for the big factions



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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:33:42
Factions are designed for war - want to be peaceful, don't join a faction.

That said I do feel that those who invested in factions for the purpose of having them be peaceful should be able to recoup their money since the rules changed so quickly.

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:35:12
why would anyone new to the game want to play? What's in it for a noob?

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:36:48
Thank god this update happened, peaceful status sucks, factions were made to war if you dont want to participate in wars then you shouldnt be in a faction, as ched said thats what companies are for

@RogueStar, maybe if you actually knew anything you would know that DA has been at war with just about every HoF faction at some point so stop crying, dont like war dont join a faction


Edited by: Kevk on 09/03/08 at 8:39:27 PM

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:37:18
okokok so in 3 months we will have a bunch of 3months old factions deserted and a bunch of new ones bought. yah that solved things

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:38:11
we have been scammed by ched and his hof co horts,,the best thing would be for all of us peaceful faction to delete in 89 days,,,at least that way the hof doesnt get what you work for

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:38:46
By Cynic [206537]
By Chedburn [1]
. At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system.



Make it negative that way level 40's wouldnt want to attack level 10's and have them in their warbase!


The answer to all teh problems is right here.

Edit: if this is coded, there wouldn't even be a need for peaceful factions anymore. It would force all players in tc to war people more of their size, to get the best respect gains for each hosp.

Peaceful factions can then be removed from the game. However, every faction that is currently peaceful should remain that way for 91 days to compensate all them for having bought them in the first place.

PROBLEM SOLVED.


Edited by: NovaCat on 09/03/08 at 8:46:25 PM

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:39:54
The problems with this change are numerous. First..No consultation...If only 4 factions chose aggressive maybe you should look at why?? Its pretty obvious to me...but ask around for yourself...You are likely to find that people are tired of not getting ahead and having the rules all benefit your top few....What fun is that??...and "Game" implies fun....Second...., the possibility of anyone but a handful at the top benefiting from the recent changes that allow the trading of respect for training benefits has been removed instantly.....Which top players whined that one out of existance? ....91 days to buy merits and gain training benefits only to have the 20 mill you have top spend disappear and your respect become available to be either be taken or your faction zero'd??>>>>Real fun that>>>>>and who is joking that 91 days is time enough to get ready to defend yourself...901 days isn't enough in some case....That time frame is crap....but we don't consult here!!!... We just cater to the few who want to continue destroying everyones efforts and fun....Third...A faction that has enough respect to be useful for training can no longer go peaceful even for the 91 days.....Why is that Ched>>>>Big guys unhappy that they have no targets?? Gosh I thought it was supposed to be a tough world??....and no wonder mate...You let them kill everyone in sight unimpeded until all but 4 factions wouldn't (or couldn't) stand up and fight anymore...A number of other games run resets to prevent this....TC isn't popular because you don't reset...Its your format and structure that is popular...and it is the same popularity that you are killing with the constant catering to top factions...So what if they cant war?? Its a tough world Right?? Oh wait...apparently not for them.....I am voting with my feet and my wallet....

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:40:03
lol it does suck
a better idea would to keep all the factions that are passive they way they are and no other factions that get made can ever be passive
the main reason 796 factions decided 2 make a passive faction 1. they cannt afford 2 get out of the wars and get raped by the hof faction
2. they enjoy the interaction between members in a faction that are into the same things out side of torn
3. want 2 build up thier stats



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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:41:21
i have lead about 10 factions in the last 3 months because of war. now im finally able to have a non-warring faction. besides, the reason people have a peaceful faction is because they want to live longer than a few weeks. UP YOURS CHED!!!

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:42:33
Well we are going to go down to one player and declare war on the top 50 factions and go on a prolonged hunting trip to South Africa... Price to surrender 16 Billion... Now imagine if we all did that...

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:44:46
Ok i want a new update Ched, i want each of my stats increased to 10 billion. Now with training done, i'd be happy to war all 20 factions in the HOF on my own! Lets see try chaining me... I promise i won't fly.

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:46:07
If you want the game to continue to grow changes have to be made. Players have to ranked by their stats. A true ranking! And that ranking would then determine who they are able to attack. Make it so new people have a fighting chance. Look I know this is a criminal game but with the exponential gains that have been allowed there is just no way for new people to catch up.

There is a lot to be worked out with a true ranking system but the realization of the crap that has been dealt here isn't working any longer. It never did. And honestly how much fun is it to hit and wipe out a faction that has 1/10 the stats. Someone else said it here in this thread. It is a bit like a grown man or woman attacking a kid.

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:46:27
I have to agree with those people who are against this change. I myself, purchased DPS so I could afford a faction to bring my friends into Torn City without getting ripped apart by people who will perpetually be better than myself or any of my friends.

You say train harder, you say become better - but so long as the person +1,+2.....+10000 above me is doing the same - I will gain nothing on those people and in the end, still be progressively worse.

I'm not even going to delve into the shady practice of telling us something that is so game altering (Peaceful factions), that we all buy into it, and then... whoops, that is no longer the case.

In the end, this reversal amounts to nothing for new players and everything for elitist, powerful factions in the game. It speaks volumes as to where certain people see this game progressing. I will be encouraging my friends from other MMORPGS to dive elsewhere, considering I have 91 days to make them into robocops who can defend themselves in Torn City.

Thanks, but no thanks.

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 20:48:04
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Declare war on all hof faction, send mail to everyone that surrender fee is 666 billion bucks, (optional: travel to a foreign country) don't use your account for at least a month, smile.
50 places in the warbase can be filled easily by almost 800 death sentenced factions.

What should be the reaction for this?
I'm telling you: a new update...

That's what I'm saying

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