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Devilz_Soldier
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:00:56
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You say that most if not all are staying peaceful but you must consider the fact that some people may be just training their factions up and then warring at a later date
it isnt fair on those faction that are staying peaceful because its the only way noobs get to earn decent amounts ov money early on , without gettin hosp every few hours
it has cost alot ov people alot ov $$$ to start up factions and only because they had an oportunity to become strong before they are warred, surely they shud be able to decide when or if they come out ov peaceful status?
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Marshmallow
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:07:31
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hahaha yes the OD time is more than the nuke time lol
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hermitty
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:08:45
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I am very disappointed with this unexpected change. I was very excited when the announcement was made that factions could be peaceful if they chose to be. I don't usually pay that much attention to changes but this one is one that I had been hoping for and now to have it taken away with no warning or without any player input puts a bad light on it for me.
Despite what you say, it does make it appear that HoFs had major influence on the decision to reverse the change. HoF wouldn't have the large respect that they do if they didin't war small factions who have no chance at retaliating and destroy them.
Since the debacle sometime back where players losts levels and such, I had somewhat lost interest because I lost close to 3 months worth of work. When the faction change in regards to peaceful status was made, I became a bit more interested since it somewhat levelled the playing field. Now, this may be the final straw that pushes me to leave the game.
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Recon
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:09:08
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By SideShow [450989]
You tossers. People take their spare time to make you a game to play for free and you complain when they try and make it better?
I know lets see when you last got something right first time?
Thanks Ched and CO your doing a great job. Yes there are faults but im just glad to see that after all this time, you are still trying to improve on it.
I dont belive there is bias on the design team. But if there is, well, who cares, you would want to help your friends to. Its their game, let them do what they want.
To all of you with complaints, if you dont like it, f**k off, simple as that, we dont want you here and you clearly are not enjoying being here. |
Spare time?
Let's stop donating then, then it'll really be their spare time.
This is absurd. TC would probably be a community in the end, a community where me and probably over 90% of the rest of us quit and all that's left are the admins and the high ranking players.
I'll live to see that day and laugh my ass off.
You can probably live with the sense that you were lied to and that there is a great sense of unfairness, but we can't. We aren't dogs. We stand up for what we believe is right, and this ain't it.
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FreeBird4EvEr
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:10:45
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By -Rob- [65426]
| By Chedburn [1]At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system. |
I'd say this needs to change dramatically.
I think you're getting bad advice from people with a vested interest in faction extortion though.
The reason 796 new factions went 'peaceful' is that there was such a desperate need for that status that hundreds of new players choose to pay to create a new faction so that they could obtain that status.
Had only the ability to earn peaceful status been taken away, several thousand warring factions would have been left.
What would have happened in three months?
My guess is, and my hope was that extortion would return to a level that is sane.
Chedburn are you aware that most top factions extort the factions they war for 2 to 5 times the amount of money that it actually costs to make a faction?
How is that reasonable?
Also, what does 3 months do?
There are exponential stat gains in this game. Three months leaves a new faction no more prepared to defend themselves.
All that said, it still ignores the fact that hundreds of players spent millions on new factions for one very specific reason, only to have that reason removed.
Will they get their money back now that they're investment has not only been rendered worthless, but in fact stands to actually get them attacked?
My recommendation to all peaceful faction owners is that as soon as your status expires and someone declares war on you, you empty your faction to 1 person and refuse to accept any surrenders.
If warring factions want to twist the rules to their advantage, I recommend that you do too.
Once the powers that be begin to see warbases full of 1 man factions who cannot be removed, and factions become a meaningless collection of one-man groups that serve no real purpose, we will see more changes made.
Hopefully I have a little credibility on this issue since I'm in a hall of fame chaining faction, and am clearly not speaking only on behalf of my own interests.
If you agree with this post, please quote it so its repeated in this thread enough times to get read by Ched or other impartial staff.
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PrOnE2DiE
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:12:41
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If out of 800 new factions only 4 choose waring status that should tell you something. IE people are tired of being eaten by HOF factions. I personally won't donate anymore to this game. This will be the second fation I have donated to that gets destroyed by HOF factions. And make no mistake if you own a 50 member peacefull faction DV HT and all the other big factions are going to declare on you. Your like a big worm just sitting there waiting to be eaten.
Everyone in my faction has decided not to donate anymore due to this game ripping us off by making this decision. Whats the matter is it to hard for the HOF factoins to war on each other rather then pick on some new players and extort 10 mil from lower lvl factions.
Let the non donating begin.
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Isilith
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:13:37
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RAoV -Rob- 31 Days Left
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By Chedburn [1]At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system.
I'd say this needs to change dramatically.
I think you're getting bad advice from people with a vested interest in faction extortion though.
The reason 796 new factions went 'peaceful' is that there was such a desperate need for that status that hundreds of new players choose to pay to create a new faction so that they could obtain that status.
Had only the ability to earn peaceful status been taken away, several thousand warring factions would have been left.
What would have happened in three months?
My guess is, and my hope was that extortion would return to a level that is sane.
Chedburn are you aware that most top factions extort the factions they war for 2 to 5 times the amount of money that it actually costs to make a faction?
How is that reasonable?
Also, what does 3 months do?
There are exponential stat gains in this game. Three months leaves a new faction no more prepared to defend themselves.
All that said, it still ignores the fact that hundreds of players spent millions on new factions for one very specific reason, only to have that reason removed.
Will they get their money back now that they're investment has not only been rendered worthless, but in fact stands to actually get them attacked?
My recommendation to all peaceful faction owners is that as soon as your status expires and someone declares war on you, you empty your faction to 1 person and refuse to accept any surrenders.
If warring factions want to twist the rules to their advantage, I recommend that you do too.
Once the powers that be begin to see warbases full of 1 man factions who cannot be removed, and factions become a meaningless collection of one-man groups that serve no real purpose, we will see more changes made.
Hopefully I have a little credibility on this issue since I'm in a hall of fame chaining faction, and am clearly not speaking only on behalf of my own interests.
If you agree with this post, please quote it so its repeated in this thread enough times to get read by Ched or other impartial staff.
Edited by: -Rob- on 09/03/08 at 4:10:53 PM
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Dr_Dark
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:14:26
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Someone mentioned something about taking respect away from the faction that attacks a weaker one. I totaly shoulder up to the idea.
Here's my oppinion: a new respect gain/loss system which would lower respect of a faction if it attacks a faction with a much lower respect and if a faction member would attack a player of a drasticaly lower level than his/hers. That way, no one gets farmed for respect and the faction doesn't lose it's true face, factions would just stay in their legue.
On a side note, where the hell is the respect in crushing people a lot weaker than you are?
Like the mayor said: "Three months is a long time."
I'm guessing it's enough time to make this happen.
Cheers!
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Sea
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:18:58
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Whats even funnier is you assume three months is reasonable for people building up their factions, yet you didn't even give the current peacefuls three months to see how many chose to become aggressive after building up before deciding that, oh, only 4 peacefuls are going to choose to go aggressive, we better change things.
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Sea
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:23:07
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And to add, that the HoF factions already knew the exact # of factions that went aggressive leads me to believe that they just scroll through the new peacefuls looking for that new target to pounce on. Maybe people wouldn't want to go aggressive knowing that they are just waiting to be ripped apart by 10 hungry mega-chain factions. Just a thought eh?
Edited by: seaofgreens on 09/03/08 at 6:24:12 PM
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ROBINHOOB
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:24:35
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suck update
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:27:10
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| I'm sure people dont mind wars, as long as there is a chance for them lol. Right now though there really is no war, basically its just a few top factions picking on everyone. People might as well join a game called Hospital City, the whole point of the game is to just give all your money to Devastation, HT, and a few others and not really have a chance to fight back EVER, |
Well i think more and more people will find something to complain about , you don't need all high lvl players with great stats to make it as a faction or into the HOF , but then again it's easier to gripe and want something on a silver platter, then to earn it.
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All_in_Ken
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:27:40
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No one i've talked to is ever donating again! and i think we all should file a complaint with Paypal that we were all CONNED out of our money. If enough of us complain to Paypal they will kick them from there system. Paypal dosn't want to have cheating businesses being a part of thier service. spending $20 real dollars to buy something that the admins take away after you spend it is just like stealing!!!!
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CompanyHiring
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:29:03
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Yet another extremely popular decision by Ched. 
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| Hiring for my company 50k int=600k. Druggies are welcome if active. Paying 350k for stalemates, I will unload weapons so anyone can do it. |
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Big_Irish
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:30:21
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Actually, seems to me monied obtained through fraudulant means can be disputed on ones credit cards, etc. And promising one thing and giving another is fraud. Imagine I go on ebay and I list a Ferrari F-40 "Yea this baby will do 300 mph"
You bid on it and win at 2 million U.S. I send you a miata.
"Sorry but I decided due to gas prices just not enough people whould drive the Ferrari. I sold 800 of them and only 4 people were seen driving one. Thjerfor enjoy your miata"
What do you think whould happen to me if I did that? We have rites state to state that protect us from these things. I am not even in a faction, I knew it was BS. Every problem with this game is blammed on the players. I buy dual berretas for someone on here just last week. Sorry we show no such transaction. Black Jack, cheats every day. I think anyone who plays it knows this. First off, if the dealer gets 21 then, the dealer must turn up both cards emidiatly. Instead you see the ace and end up busting when the dealer actually had an ace and a 3 for example.
Bottom line, if your fair and the game is fun people will pay, if not well spend other places. No way can new factions take 3 year old factions with 3 year old members. I don't care if you had your charector blessed by a priest, not gonna happen.
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MtT808
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:30:40
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I think the 91 day peaceful status is awesome. It does give them a chance to build up armouries, respect, and hopefully enough loyal members. Then you go and make a name for your faction instead of being a pussy and hanging in the back.
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Alamo
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:33:53
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The only fair thing to do is to give each player who purchased a faction based on the false promise you made the chance to have their money back and have the faction deleted. Let's see how many people will choose to keep their faction with the new 91 day rule. If I do not have the option to have my money returned to me, I will delete my faction when we hit the 91 days. And then, if I chose to make another faction knowing that there is a 91 day limit on peaceful days, I will be fine with that because I knew beforehand about the rule
Ched, no matter if it worked out the way you intended it to, these people purchased faction based on what you said " Peaceful Factions can remain peaceful until THEY decide to become aggressive"
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Frisky_Dingo
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:34:03
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Thanks Chedburn.....I think I feel a lot better about it all now.
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Mungbean
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:37:47
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And whats the problem with factions wanting to remain peaceful????.......
There will always be aggressive factions and that will never change, thisis just bringing the lambs to the slaughter.....
Sooner or later alot of faction would have started warring to get their aggression to 1000 to take advantage of the "specials" .......
It only now reinforces the stronghold of HOF factions within this game.....if I wanted to be in an aggressive faction i would have joined one.........there is no space for the "little guy" in this game
Leave it the way it is.........ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE.........gee sounds goodenough to make it a song
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SexySassy
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:39:04
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Thanks Ched!! I like the idea
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:42:20
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By Neon_Knight [354043]
After 90 days I will be deleting my faction, that's better than being in the hospital every day till it dies. |
me too i got my faction worked hard and donated points trying to get the training upgrade then this its a farce the top levels already get better training than me bring in an attack level cap or buyable protection BEFORE 90 days is up or refund all faction leaders their cash
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:42:24
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By Chedburn [1]
We wanted to give factions the choice… To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. |
If your updates don't work, it doesn't mean you can punish the weak and reward the strong... But what else can we expect from staff!
| With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive. |
What we do with our factions is not the business of Ched/Devastation! I paid for it, so i'll do whatever i like with it!!! This shows us all how much Ched cares about people in TC.
| The issue we were faced with... what would happen in 6 months? All factions but one would inevitably end up peaceful, destroying the whole point of factions. |
When i signed up for this game i thought Ched was smart, i can see now that i'm wrong... Even a child could predict that Chedburn. But thats not our fault, so why punish us and reward the HOF?... As always i'm not expecting any mails or replies from Ched.
| It is supposed to be a dangerous world; the decisions you make are supposed to affect you, positively or negatively to create meaningful play. |
Thats true, the decisions i make are supposed to affect me, and i decide to not war, however staff feel that is a negative, they want to teach me how to play the game properly!
| The change was by no means influenced by any other factions or people. |
[Sarcastic response!!!!!!!!!!]Ah yes we believe you...[/sarcastic response] but this quote is not Cheds words it's Devastations "We wanted to give factions the choice."
| Three months is a long time, a long time to get all of your faction members ready to protect themselves, build up a respect buffer from OCs and gain allies. |
3 months isn't enough, i'm 250 days old, players in the HOF are 1,000 days old, and you think i have enough time to prepare defences against such power!!? You are a comeplete idiot!!!!
| The three months, by the way, started for all factions yesterday, so you all have the same amount of time to get ready. |
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| And of course, with the new 50 faction war base limit it should make things really interesting. Just because your faction was destroyed last time, it doesn’t mean the same will happen this time…Michael Edits to show the truth: DV says: "We’re even giving you 3 months to get prepared." |
Ok so what new update do we get now? The HOF have all their specials, the peaceful status was a noob faction update. You got it TC, Chedburn is not going to give us any updates, these updates are called HOF updates! We get bulls**t updates that last for a few months then it's taken away. Congrats DV i always knew you were the best, you even succeeded in corrupting Chedburn....
| Over these three months, more things will change. For example, OC respect gain may be upped including the adding of additional OCs and an easier system to plan and initiate them. Small disadvantages may be added to higher factions attacking lower factions. At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system. |
Yep don't forget, DV "may raise the decrease further until" their "perfectly happy with the system."
| I realise the peaceful status change may have came as a shock, but try to think of it as a new beginning, a chance for you to prove yourself without having to have the nanny that you call “peaceful status”. |
What about DVs nanny we call Chedburn!? Oh don't worry about us Ched, we won't be spending much time and cash on this game, so yeah we're are thinking of this as a new beginning!
You're welcome Devastation...
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Mistress_Tinky
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:44:27
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I don't often post in the forums about change as normally its not that bad and can sometimes be good!
But this one I don't understand the thoughts behind this latest change at all.
Point 1. " We wanted to give factions the choice… To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive". Did that not sink in? let me point it out just in case it wasn't obvious to you.....IT WAS OUR CHOICE, A CHOICE YOU GAVE US, ever thought that some people, obviously the majority want a peaceful status for a reason?
Point 2. "The change was by no means influenced by any other factions or people". Who are you trying to convince us or your conscience?
Point 3. "Three months is a long time, a long time to get all of your faction members ready to protect themselves, build up a respect buffer from OCs and gain allies". Sorry that doesn't equate, even after 300+ days of hard training, building respect etc, we were still not able to protect ourselves against ridiculous demands and constant chaining.......hence having to pay millions to buy a peaceful faction, and leave the faction that I had been with since day one..... during these 3 months the dominating factions/players that you obviously listen to will continue to grow stronger
Point 4. "Just because your faction was destroyed last time, it doesn’t mean the same will happen this time… We’re even giving you 3 months to get prepared". Get real!
Point 5. "I realise the peaceful status change may have came as a shock, but try to think of it as a new beginning, a chance for you to prove yourself without having to have the nanny that you call “peaceful status”. Do you realise how condescending and belittling that sounds, I doubt it!! Some of us play the game for fun and for the social aspect, not for egotistical status
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:47:36
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ON THE WHOLE THING IS DIS WE NEED A IRC DECESIION ON DIS
TO ME THE BEST THING TO DO IS PUT RESPECT LEVELS IN PLACE
SO IF U IS 5K-1K THEY FIGHT THEM SELF TO GO UP
AND IF U IN 500-1K THEY FIGHT THEM SELF SO THEY CAN GO UP
AND I FINILY WAS JOYIN THE NEW CHANGES
SO SOMEONE MAKE A GOOD SUGGESTION
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:48:50
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and yet another reason why you shouldn't donate. is simple. I know that top factions are out of targets but why they don't fight each other. It will be very interesting. I see that top factions = admins.... and this smells bad. and this thing with 90 days... it sounds like "chets" ....
Let them cheat, but they will cheat with no money
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:49:22
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Bomaab 536 Days Left
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Well i dont think this will get read by Ched but if it does
Here is my suggestion -
Along with loss of peaceful status - Why dont you create a tiering system
1) Based on respect - A faction with respect above 10k cannot war one with respect below 5k?
2) Average level (avg level of all players in faction a) versus faction b) - this can cause an issue tho as someone may have all members leave, declare - so loopholes are too easy
3) Respect gain/loss should also be based on respect differential between two factions (not just the levels) but not a whole lot as weak ones should be destroyable
While I am on this topic - THE NUKE WAS A REALLLY LAME RESULT...
1) Its a fricken NUKE!!! It should be anywhere from 50-90% of damage to faction (put a randomizer for exact damage in that range)
2) Hosp time - Hosp time on OD is more. Agreed not being able to come out is good (without the new tablet).. Still 2 weeks at least!! to make it v expensive
3) All people in the faction should loose the companies or say have the option to spend 50-75% more to keep it..
A NUKE HAS TO BE PAINFUL.......
I agree this is "a dangerous world" to quote Ched... so make it so!!! Let it be where noobs when destroyed by large ones - can make a powerful bomb and screw a big assed faction... i think you would agree thats what the threat of a "nuke in wrong hands" is this dangerous world
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Great post!!! Really love making the nuke more dangerious, heck it should KILL the faction targeted, that is reality. That would REALLY make TC the "dangerous place" that the HoF members keep telling us it is.
Too bad that will never happen, as that would make TC dangerous to THEM, so it will never happen.
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:52:16
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By Dr_Dark [75344]
Someone mentioned something about taking respect away from the faction that attacks a weaker one. I totaly shoulder up to the idea.
Here's my oppinion: a new respect gain/loss system which would lower respect of a faction if it attacks a faction with a much lower respect and if a faction member would attack a player of a drasticaly lower level than his/hers. That way, no one gets farmed for respect and the faction doesn't lose it's true face, factions would just stay in their legue.
On a side note, where the hell is the respect in crushing people a lot weaker than you are?
Like the mayor said: "Three months is a long time."
I'm guessing it's enough time to make this happen.
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i agree n posted something quite similar here
http://www.torncity.com/forums.php?forumID=4&ID=2485150
time will tell if they find a solution before the three months is up as the way it stands now all it does is everything goes back to the way it was they just give u a 3 month waiting period before back to same old crap by hoff factions
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Cavallo
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:53:19
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wow some players in this game are so dumb i wonder how they can actually read the words in a text-based game...i think that this update solves A LOT....noobs who are scared of war have many options. They can either 1)Not join a faction, just make buddies in a company 2)Join a faction for 90 days then switch to a new one 3)Train for 90 days in a peaceful faction then kick some noobier ass and pay your surrender fees...this is a GANGSTER-type game. I have never heard of a gangster who will make bomb threats or rob a money train but won't beat up an enemy gang member...
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:55:18
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and why do noobs complain about things not being fair...higher levels have been playing constantly for years, this game is not meant to be fair
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 18:56:18
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I love the reasoning behind taking the peaceful status away, but I completly agree with *GF* JimbobBEng, You should be able to pay a flat rate for protection so that you cannot be warred. When you paya faction to protect you they don't deal with it right away so if you are chained you potentially loose a lot of respect. A way of paying for that peacefule or Protected status is a great way to solve the problem!
And yes, it would make the big factions war/chain each other, and they should being the very top!!
Thanks Ched.
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