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lilyglasiar

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:19:57
?? nothing to say

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The-ROCK-Pile

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:20:15
I dont have time to debate about this horrific change but I will be back later to discuss it. We the people want a voice in this matter and we will have it.

But you will get your wish factions will be deleted and we will be N/A so as you speak that is what will happen.


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:21:13
By Calabi-Yau [38798]
Real money spent on peaceful factions? You don't see that a warring faction needs much more RL money than a crappy peaceful faction?

P.S - Just because you chose to spend real money on it doesn't give you any rights or whatever it is you think you have.



yes, but having alot of admins in your faction does?


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:22:57
Rock, we can extort peaceful factions too if we need to.

bfb926 how does having admins in my faction effect anything i have said?

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:23:49
By GrimReaper [558664]
Why not have the factions in divisions ? Top factions in divison 1, and so on maybe have 4 divisions. good way to climb through the ranks, giving younger/weaker factions a good chance to earn respect fairly.could even have organised attack/events, with an option to gamble on these attacks, another chance to earn some cash. just like a betting shop.

Just a thought, new events are always welcome. just a bit of fun in the end..


that is good idea ..
but look like it will never happend as HOF faction only know bully the young player .


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:23:49
admins in the past have abused thier privilages to the benifit of their faction, and i know this for a fact

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:25:30
By Calabi-Yau [38798]
Real money spent on peaceful factions? You don't see that a warring faction needs much more RL money than a crappy peaceful faction?

P.S - Just because you chose to spend real money on it doesn't give you any rights or whatever it is you think you have.



i think you better talk to the admin, he already knew the results since you're from the top 2 HOF , it's better that the admin took off the bonuses from factions as well, we'll agree to lose everything.. and put the last update on faction back to normal.. fairly enough..

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:25:31
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admins in the past have abused thier privilages to the benifit of their faction, and i know this for a fact


Then report them and we can all see them destaffed, otherwise stfu.

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:26:18
By Calabi-Yau [38798]
Real money spent on peaceful factions? You don't see that a warring faction needs much more RL money than a crappy peaceful faction?

P.S - Just because you chose to spend real money on it doesn't give you any rights or whatever it is you think you have.


is Chedburn said that we can stay away from way by peaceful status ., that why we chose to spend our money on it .


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:26:20
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We already talked obout the 800 new peaceful factions. You are a little late ched. We want peace your war system is a mess. All of us WILL delete our factions you MUST LEAVE US ALONE. We want peaceful factions.


Ched doesn't have to do anything, he can do wtf he wants. Like i said, just because you want something doesn't mean your going to get it. You should be old enough to know that by now.



oh ya... we forgot... we ain't DV... no wonder we dont get what we wants.... shouldve figured that out soooner....

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:27:07
wow, 3 mounths to get strong enough to fight factions that are 3 years old. just keep helping your weak minded buddies and have fun playing with all 5 of your active players, everyone else will be gone playing a fair game that won't scam them!!!

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:27:15
By Micdon [178365]
See if that had been posted instead of what LeukyBear put, then there would be less pissed off people now!!!

Though still needs to add an attack restrictiob to stop a faction on 50k from attacking one on 500. Set a minimium limit of some form such as 50% below your respect you can't declare



ched still thinks its fair!! he doesn't get it!!!! Some factions don't care about the respect and will declare on 50 newb factions for the extortion fees and it will be lvl 40's hitting lvl 10-20's all day everyday until they pay, real fair and real fun to play!!


Sometimes its just easier to mute them then own up to your own mistakes!!
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:28:01
By DrK-mAgIcIaN-kT [430360]
By Calabi-Yau [38798]
By Rock_BB_House [1017]
We already talked obout the 800 new peaceful factions. You are a little late ched. We want peace your war system is a mess. All of us WILL delete our factions you MUST LEAVE US ALONE. We want peaceful factions.


Ched doesn't have to do anything, he can do wtf he wants. Like i said, just because you want something doesn't mean your going to get it. You should be old enough to know that by now.



oh ya... we forgot... we ain't DV... no wonder we dont get what we wants.... shouldve figured that out soooner....



hahaha, now you guys begin to notice something LOL

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:29:26
Meh your all grasping at straws that don't exist so i'll leave now, have fun making your tin-foil hats. ;D

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:29:45
By GrimReaper [558664]
Why not have the factions in divisions ? Top factions in divison 1, and so on maybe have 4 divisions. good way to climb through the ranks, giving younger/weaker factions a good chance to earn respect fairly.could even have organised attack/events, with an option to gamble on these attacks, another chance to earn some cash. just like a betting shop.

Just a thought, new events are always welcome. just a bit of fun in the end..


Probably this is the best solutions for both old players n the newbies

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:31:52
By Calabi-Yau [38798]
Meh your all grasping at straws that don't exist so i'll leave now, have fun making your tin-foil hats. ;D


yes , good ! go away ! dont showing off here

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:34:11
By JimbobBEng [27610]
i think factions should be able to remain peaceful for longer periods by purchasing "protection" upgrades for their faction.. with cash, respect or points...

That way rather than just having a free peaceful faction to make money from OCs they would be paying to stay out of wars at a fixed rate.. so they could enjoy the faction environment without getting raped by hof factions...

It would be the same as paying surrender fees really, but without the fact that surrender means nothing because the aggressors can pass your name on / declare again 10 mins later


I agree. This would be a fair opportunity for those that dont wish to war. Warring factions have to spend money (points, vico's, etc), so peacefull factions should also have to spend some money stay peaceful.



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Oddisee
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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:37:30
You have got to be kiding me the only reason I made a factioln was to NOT be hosped and to NOT war other factions, I might as well sell

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:38:08
On the upside, I have not fallen over today.

Swings and roundabouts

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:38:28
YHGTBFSM, thisis BS

Good thing you are changing it back. God forbid the HOF might have to fight each other.

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:38:58
I would think that no one with any brains will ever buy another DP or help support this game in anyway. why support a game that only helps the admins ant there friends and does nothing for the other 98% of players? This is surely the end of the game!!! thanks for destroying it!!

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:40:05
I will delete my faction before I allow it to be fodder for other factions.

Ched may take away my right to choose to have a peacful faction, but I can go back to having no faction at all.





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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:40:33
There's more to this than "factions are dangerous". Any idiot could provide say that, but that's not the point; the point is that there are no factions wars, only massacres.

And saying that the only way to escape that is to leave factions is incredibly naive. If they're in the game, why can only the strongest of the strong join them with any chance of surviving?

Also, there's nothing to stop the situation from going back to what it was before. No minor respect changes will cause the HoF's to stop warring those that have <1/100 their power. And now that factions have had the chance to raise their respect, it'll just make it easier for them to harvest it.

I repeat, factions are dead.

P.S @ Ched: Nice way to sway public opinion

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:40:56
Admins are high enough levels to protect themselves. They are also in powerful factions. They forget what it feels like to be weak and picked on. Therefore they will side with abolishing peaceful factions. Because like that persistent guy from DV who keeps on posting, they've already forgotten what it feels like to not be in an HOF faction and get constantly picked on. Those at the top do not know what it's like to be in the bottom, especially since when they were noobs torncity was still fairly new and not that many bullies existed yet.

What people hated about this is Ched getting all their hopes up about peaceful factions, getting them to invest, regroup, start factions, then suddenly taking everything away from them. We feel like we were mislead--->that's the key word. I was happy to not be in a faction, but when peaceful factions were introduced I decided to jump in one and I got my hopes up...only for something like this to happen. If peaceful factions hadn't been made in the first place, people wouldn't be complaining like this.

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:41:56
By Calabi-Yau [38798]
Rock, we can extort peaceful factions too if we need to.

bfb926 how does having admins in my faction effect anything i have said?


Forum: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion

This forum was create by the owner of the game we have every right to openly discuss this horrific and unfair change.

Admins should NOT be playing the game at this level. This change was brought to our attention by someone in DV and is considered by us as cheating. But these will not end up in FED jail but they should. This is wrong and I am not the only one who sees it as you read this FORUM your eyes should be opened. You are heavily outnumbered in this issue.


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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:42:18
By Chedburn [1]At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system.


I'd say this needs to change dramatically.

I think you're getting bad advice from people with a vested interest in faction extortion though.
The reason 796 new factions went 'peaceful' is that there was such a desperate need for that status that hundreds of new players choose to pay to create a new faction so that they could obtain that status.

Had only the ability to earn peaceful status been taken away, several thousand warring factions would have been left.

What would have happened in three months?
My guess is, and my hope was that extortion would return to a level that is sane.
Chedburn are you aware that most top factions extort the factions they war for 2 to 5 times the amount of money that it actually costs to make a faction?
How is that reasonable?

Also, what does 3 months do?
There are exponential stat gains in this game. Three months leaves a new faction no more prepared to defend themselves.

All that said, it still ignores the fact that hundreds of players spent millions on new factions for one very specific reason, only to have that reason removed.
Will they get their money back now that they're investment has not only been rendered worthless, but in fact stands to actually get them attacked?

My recommendation to all peaceful faction owners is that as soon as your status expires and someone declares war on you, you empty your faction to 1 person and refuse to accept any surrenders.

If warring factions want to twist the rules to their advantage, I recommend that you do too.
Once the powers that be begin to see warbases full of 1 man factions who cannot be removed, and factions become a meaningless collection of one-man groups that serve no real purpose, we will see more changes made.

Hopefully I have a little credibility on this issue since I'm in a hall of fame chaining faction, and am clearly not speaking only on behalf of my own interests.

If you agree with this post, please quote it so its repeated in this thread enough times to get read by Ched or other impartial staff.


Edited by: -Rob- on 09/03/08 at 4:10:53 PM

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:42:30
the reason they choose to be peacefull is they dont want to end up having a waste of money. surrender fees are more stupid wastes of money

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:45:17
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By Chedburn [1]At this current moment in time, if a level 40 attacked a level 10, the respect gain is decreased because of the level gap, we may raise the decrease further until we are perfectly happy with the system.


I'd say this needs to change dramatically.

I think you're getting bad advice from people with a vested interest in faction extortion though.
The reason 796 new factions went 'peaceful' is that there was such a desperate need for that status that hundreds of new players choose to pay to create a new faction so that they could obtain that faction.

Had only the ability to earn peaceful status been taken away, several thousand warring factions would have been left.

What would have happened in three months?
My guess is, and my hope was that extortion would return to a level that is sane.
Chedburn are you aware that most top factions extort the factions they war for 2 to 5 times the amount of money that it actually costs to make a faction?
How is that reasonable?

Also, what does 3 months do?
There are exponential stats again in this game. Three months leaves a new faction no more prepared to defend themselves.

All that said, it still ignores the fact that hundreds of players spent millions on new factions for one very specific reason, only to have that reason removed.
Will they get their money back now that they're investment has not only been rendered worthless, but in fact stands to actually get them attacked?

My recommendation to all peaceful faction owners is that as soon as your status expires and someone declares war on you, you empty your faction to 1 person and refuse to accept any surrenders.

If warring factions want to twist the rules to their advantage, I recommend that you do too.
Once the powers that be begin to see warbases full of 1 man factions who cannot be removed, and factions become a meaningless collection of one-man groups that serve no real purpose, we will see more changes made.

Hopefully I have a little credibility on this issue since I'm in a hall of fame chaining faction, and am clearly not speaking only on behalf of my own interests.

If you agree with this post, please quote it so its repeated in this thread enough times to get read by Ched or other impartial staff.




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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:45:40
to be honist u guys ched is trying real hard to give every one things they want but what ever he does doesnt seem good enough for you yeh there might be 800 peacefull factions and mine is one of them but have u ever thought that we are biding our time to get respect/cash so we can war obveusly not so stop slagging ched off for once and give the poor guy a break

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Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 15:45:44
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Three months is a long time, a long time to get all of your faction members ready to protect themselves


From what....hospital food?




Edited by: Bushwakka on 09/03/08 at 3:46:11 PM

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