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Posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:55:25
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Please Vote 10 For Me In Mr TC 2008
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Posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 14:32:26
Yusuke that is adorable. So true to.
Though I think Ched does things just to make his babies happy. The babies being HOF. Oh no pressure on our part we are just the peons that get owned

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Posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 15:17:42
By LeukyBear [83808]
Considering the ammount of absolutely selfish bs posted in here continuosly by the same people, who obviously fail to read anything including what was said about more changes coming to factions.. BEFORE the peaceful status ends... I don't think the majority of you actually deserve anything at all.


so most of the posters in this thread offer only BS? I seem to recall you asking for solutions to the current situation.. if staff DID read.. and DID understand.. there have been plenty of suggestions as to what to do, like:
1. keep the peaceful faction.
2. a balanced battle system?

..and all that other BS that you guys didn't read.

can we just start over and quit calling each other names.. admins should at least acknowledge valid suggestions that may or may not work; while those who feel cheated should stop accusing staff of inaction (maybe stop mailing them directly?)

to date leukybears reply is the only solid reply that we have FROM STAFF on the issue.. at least we know that they do read english.



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Posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 15:31:50
By LeukyBear [83808]
Has nothing to do with what they want... its the way people go about wanting things... simply continued bitching and flaming staff does nothing but make us not want to do anything whatsoever to help those who bitch and flame staff...

Now if things were done more constructively and people actually tried to look past there own selfishness simply because they dont want to be hosped by higher lvl players or whatever, they would also see that we were looking at changes to prevent some of the things you complain about...

But when you all simply run your mouths without even giving anything any time or consideration or waiting for changes to be forthcoming, really aids nothing and simply makes us think why we should bother to assist you in anyway and give you any sort of concideration when you cannot display any sort of concideration yourselves.


wow! leuky, you can't be serious about what you meant about not bothering to assist.. why choose to become staff? why get a salary from TC? (assuming that you get paid). we have been considerate over the past month. we decided on a course of action (posting in the forums) that would allow us a table to meet and discuss ideas. ched started the topic last march 9, and this being forums and all that.. IT WAS AND IS STILL OPEN TO DISCUSSION.

keyword here is discuss. anyone who has logged on the forums and read the posts would soon realize that the BS (that you claim) offers some really valid suggestions. if at that time you read and felt that it offered nothing of value.. then you should have said something. instead TC staff decide.. that heck! to hell with this lot.. we will have our way... this really leaves much to be wanted from a customer service standpoint.

and though i hate being hospitalized.. i think its part of the game.. and all i need to do is buy morphs.. and keep myself under the radar... i don't like being called names.. calling us selfish is just plain wrong. language like this is what really offends people..



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Posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 18:15:03
1. Using your Half House Brick in a Handbag you hit LeukyBear-aka-CreamPuff doing 162998238 damage (-162997688)
You beat LeukyBear-aka-CreamPuff and hospitalized them.

Congrats, for beating the Challenge Bot LeukyBear-aka-CreamPuff, you have earnt $100000!

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Posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 18:42:34
Keep it going people...keep the pressure on...dont let this thread die...post twice as much....dont vote..... and dont buy DP's(see how cheap they are getting lol)

Peace!!


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Posted on Tue Apr 08, 2008 22:29:16
Time for a long message that will bore everyone out of their minds. If you can't be bothered skip it. It's mostly directed at the Bear =D

By LeukyBear [83808]
Now if things were done more constructively and people actually tried to look past there own selfishness simply because they dont want to be hosped by higher lvl players or whatever, they would also see that we were looking at changes to prevent some of the things you complain about...

I've been one to try and constructively place my thoughts while trying to keep the 'flaming' of others to a minimum. I don't care about being hospitalized (I do it to myself all of the time. I even work there!), going to war, and the like. It's all a part of the game and I enjoy having them there.

What's a part of the game that shouldn't be is telling people one thing and doing another. There apparently was no mention of the peaceful status ever going to have been ended forcefully. People deleted factions and paid real money to make new ones because there was no small fine print stating otherwise. Blame it on people flaming all you want (post update by the way), but this mistake/problem/whatever you want to call it is on the admins whether you see it as such or not. Read for yourself:

By Chedburn [1]
f) Peaceful and Aggressive status's have been added. A faction starts in Peaceful status, during this time they cannot be attacked. Once they declare on another faction, they will lose their peaceful status and can be declared on themselves.

http://www.torncity.com/forums.php?forumID=1&ID=2308097

There was no mention of peaceful status factions having to declare war, ever. Now the next update on this:

By Chedburn [1]
We wanted to give factions the choice⦠To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive.

Because the majority used their freedom of choice to be peaceful and didn't want to send their hard earned (real $)/newly created work to the grave, it was decided that their choice, which was given to them, wasn't in line with what admins wanted.

^This is the integrity issue part. When admins can (and do) turn TC upside down and in whoever's favor they want without any accountability to the players (we all support, whether it's by logging in and increasing its popularity or being a donor) you can expect that people will start to flame just a little bit more than usual.

It is your game, but everyone wants to have some small part/say in it. If you don't want the users to have any choice in matters then don't give it to us in the first place and then change your minds because we're not the kind of people you want us to be. Part of roleplaying is letting people choose how the game will be played and turn out, which is why TC is a MMOG, not a MMORPG. You shouldn't advertise it as one if you're only going to take the part(s) you like and discard the rest ^_^

Now the faction system needs a few tweaks as you've mentioned. If you're working on it then tell us what you have in mind instead of making vague hints at possible updates. There's really no need to tell users how much you hate/dislike us for being slightly upset. You might be surprised at how many people will stop flaming and possibly contribute ideas if they knew you were actually doing something to help them out

.....Then again you might not be
But it's worth a try. I feel too much distance between the players and the staff. It's not something I think I'll ever get used to

By LeukyBear [83808]
But when you all simply run your mouths without even giving anything any time or consideration or waiting for changes to be forthcoming, really aids nothing and simply makes us think why we should bother to assist you in anyway and give you any sort of concideration when you cannot display any sort of concideration yourselves.

Touché. 796-4 and the 4 get sided with. Where is the consideration in that? And then it gets blamed on the players in every response just because they're upset that the choices of the majority of them mean nothing. Yes, time is required, but like I mentioned before it'd be nice to know that you're giving it the time. An annoying issue was that everyone (including myself) thought this topic was being ignored and pushed back until it'd be forgotten.

In any case I don't see why everyone has to keep blaming everyone for everything and get nowhere. Just keep on thinking about how to help! =D

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Posted on Wed Apr 09, 2008 07:55:11
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It might take another 4 or 5 months, but Ched WILL have to change the war system.

For now just follow this steps...

1. Get a box.
2. Cut a hole in the box.

Sorry wrong thread...

Back on topic...

1. Delete your faction when it goes aggressive.
2. Bring your faction down to one person.
3. Dont vote for TC. (or vote for the number 2 game like me)
4. Dont buy anymore DPs.
5. KEEP POSTING IN THIS THREAD. Our voices must be heard!





Good idea.

The problem here is simply the fact that rl money was used to buy something that was not as advertised.

I would say a refund is in order.

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Posted on Thu Apr 10, 2008 07:45:48
Keep it going people...keep the pressure on...dont let this thread die...post twice as much....dont vote..... and dont buy DP's(see how cheap they are getting lol)

Peace!!


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Posted on Thu Apr 10, 2008 16:48:47
The pressure going??..LOL That pressure you are feeling is someone sticking it too you..LOL...but hey I want to see this thread always lit up...so there ya go

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Posted on Fri Apr 11, 2008 06:22:57
Yeah Leuky you may have shut me up for three days but look who got slated here in the forums. First you delete an entire thread because you were offended by it. I am surprised this thread lasted as long as it did. Now you start forum banning and fedding people to shut them up. You know what - it didn't shut me up.

You minions told me why I was banned - for spamming the forums. If that was the case then why was my profile altered? My profile was changed because you didn't like what I was saying about you - well it is back and frankly I don't care what you do to me. After all it is only a game and yes Leuky it is only a game. Apparently you think that flexing your muscles here somehow makes you a bigger man in the real world.

Do you think your actions made any difference to me? I was quitting the game anyway - an idiot could have realized that. I have played many online games like this one and am even admin/co-owner of one - this is the ONLY one that treats their customers like garbage. I have been voting for the number 2 game for a quite some time. The night you fedded me I actually decided to see what I had been voting for. You know what - it is a great game. Was even greeted by the staff when I joined.

The life expectancy of this game seems to be decreasing rapidly. There are many unhappy people - I see some of their faces in the new game I play as well as the one I help run. We will never treat anyone like we are treated here - with one exception, please Leuky join us - I will rename my bot so you can have the name.

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Posted on Fri Apr 11, 2008 18:14:22
I must say, the unity in this protest is impressive. Then again, these people are the members of nearly 800 factions that had the rug pulled out from under them. Has staff considered at least some of the ideas for a solution members have put forth?

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Posted on Fri Apr 11, 2008 20:32:46
Surgeon;
I know you are wanting an answer from Staff and not members at large...But.....They are not considering anything but HOF needs and warring which drives Chedburns cash cow on this one mate....Your answer is a resounding... NO....which you are gonna have to get from staff silence on this one.....Hundreds of members have left to play other games over this issue

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Posted on Fri Apr 11, 2008 20:46:01
Yes they sure have and more to follow........:)

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Posted on Fri Apr 11, 2008 22:34:59
If this had been a mistake of some kind, we would have had an apology and it would have been at least tried to sort out.

On the other hand, if this was a cleverly constructed plan to scam players and steal their money, we would never hear an apology. In fact we would probably not hear anything at all, they would just try to let it fade away by never answer these posts.
Hmm, I wonder which it was...

Anyway, I have always voted a lot for this game. I still vote, but now for the other games on the list. I will never vote for TC again.
I owe Chedburn and his minions a thanks though, because of the voting I have found another game that I have been hooked on, and guess what; the admins there actually help people and make them feel welcome!

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Posted on Sat Apr 12, 2008 02:29:49
I know a lot of my friends have suddenly appeared on the other similar games....Damn shame but?? HEy....Cheds loss

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Posted on Sat Apr 12, 2008 17:49:13
Keep it going people...keep the pressure on...dont let this thread die...post twice as much....dont vote..... and dont buy DP's(see how cheap they are getting lol)

Peace!!


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Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 02:13:55
By Obitus [543092]
Time for a long message that will bore everyone out of their minds. If you can't be bothered skip it. It's mostly directed at the Bear =D

By LeukyBear [83808]
Now if things were done more constructively and people actually tried to look past there own selfishness simply because they dont want to be hosped by higher lvl players or whatever, they would also see that we were looking at changes to prevent some of the things you complain about...

I've been one to try and constructively place my thoughts while trying to keep the 'flaming' of others to a minimum. I don't care about being hospitalized (I do it to myself all of the time. I even work there!), going to war, and the like. It's all a part of the game and I enjoy having them there.

What's a part of the game that shouldn't be is telling people one thing and doing another. There apparently was no mention of the peaceful status ever going to have been ended forcefully. People deleted factions and paid real money to make new ones because there was no small fine print stating otherwise. Blame it on people flaming all you want (post update by the way), but this mistake/problem/whatever you want to call it is on the admins whether you see it as such or not. Read for yourself:

By Chedburn [1]
f) Peaceful and Aggressive status's have been added. A faction starts in Peaceful status, during this time they cannot be attacked. Once they declare on another faction, they will lose their peaceful status and can be declared on themselves.

http://www.torncity.com/forums.php?forumID=1&ID=2308097

There was no mention of peaceful status factions having to declare war, ever. Now the next update on this:

By Chedburn [1]
We wanted to give factions the choice⦠To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive.

Because the majority used their freedom of choice to be peaceful and didn't want to send their hard earned (real $)/newly created work to the grave, it was decided that their choice, which was given to them, wasn't in line with what admins wanted.

^This is the integrity issue part. When admins can (and do) turn TC upside down and in whoever's favor they want without any accountability to the players (we all support, whether it's by logging in and increasing its popularity or being a donor) you can expect that people will start to flame just a little bit more than usual.

It is your game, but everyone wants to have some small part/say in it. If you don't want the users to have any choice in matters then don't give it to us in the first place and then change your minds because we're not the kind of people you want us to be. Part of roleplaying is letting people choose how the game will be played and turn out, which is why TC is a MMOG, not a MMORPG. You shouldn't advertise it as one if you're only going to take the part(s) you like and discard the rest ^_^

Now the faction system needs a few tweaks as you've mentioned. If you're working on it then tell us what you have in mind instead of making vague hints at possible updates. There's really no need to tell users how much you hate/dislike us for being slightly upset. You might be surprised at how many people will stop flaming and possibly contribute ideas if they knew you were actually doing something to help them out

.....Then again you might not be
But it's worth a try. I feel too much distance between the players and the staff. It's not something I think I'll ever get used to

By LeukyBear [83808]
But when you all simply run your mouths without even giving anything any time or consideration or waiting for changes to be forthcoming, really aids nothing and simply makes us think why we should bother to assist you in anyway and give you any sort of concideration when you cannot display any sort of concideration yourselves.

Touché. 796-4 and the 4 get sided with. Where is the consideration in that? And then it gets blamed on the players in every response just because they're upset that the choices of the majority of them mean nothing. Yes, time is required, but like I mentioned before it'd be nice to know that you're giving it the time. An annoying issue was that everyone (including myself) thought this topic was being ignored and pushed back until it'd be forgotten.

In any case I don't see why everyone has to keep blaming everyone for everything and get nowhere. Just keep on thinking about how to help! =D


I know i've said you're an idiot in the past, but even i think this is one of the most constructive posts i've read so far.

Lets hope they read and take notes, or i'll go back to flaming or what we non staff call protesting...



Edited by: MichaelCorleone on 13/04/08 at 2:47:07 PM

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Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 06:15:18
Keep it going people...keep the pressure on...dont let this thread die...post twice as much....dont vote..... and dont buy DP's(see how cheap they are getting lol)

Peace!!

You have lost your Donator Status. You will no longer recieve 5 energy every 10 minutes and your 150 energy bar has been reduced to 100. If you would like them back, please go here to donate again.

I do not belong to a faction and have nothing to gain or lose but I will stand up for those who have been blatently ripped off.

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Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 13:10:17
We wanted to give factions the choice⦠To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive.


Looks like it worked to me

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Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 15:00:13
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xD Hope that guy who gets forum banned isn't supposed to be me!? Because there is no way in hell i'd dress like that (i usually wear expensive suits;)), and certainly don't usually act like that or i'd be arrested everyday in real life, and probably get fedded in TC!


Edited by: MichaelCorleone on 13/04/08 at 3:02:12 PM

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Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 18:18:56
Keep it going people...keep the pressure on...dont let this thread die...post twice as much....dont vote..... and dont buy DP's(see how cheap they are getting lol)

Peace!!

You have lost your Donator Status. You will no longer recieve 5 energy every 10 minutes and your 150 energy bar has been reduced to 100. If you would like them back, please go here to donate again.

I do not belong to a faction and have nothing to gain or lose but I will stand up for those who have been blatently ripped off.


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Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 18:26:14
the 3 days stay in faction before u can leave is what sucks the most :'(

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Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 18:35:02
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the 3 days stay in faction before u can leave is what sucks the most :'(


Ya hes mad at me because i bought this faction before he could

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Posted on Mon Apr 14, 2008 07:25:56
By Jondalar [57209]
If this had been a mistake of some kind, we would have had an apology and it would have been at least tried to sort out.

On the other hand, if this was a cleverly constructed plan to scam players and steal their money, we would never hear an apology. In fact we would probably not hear anything at all, they would just try to let it fade away by never answer these posts.
Hmm, I wonder which it was...

Anyway, I have always voted a lot for this game. I still vote, but now for the other games on the list. I will never vote for TC again.
I owe Chedburn and his minions a thanks though, because of the voting I have found another game that I have been hooked on, and guess what; the admins there actually help people and make them feel welcome!


I found a game now that I have been playing more that I found on the voting page. These minions of Chedburns I hate so much. No one should be aloud to warn or fed people because of personal reasons. I absolutely despise some of these "staffholes." They really make such a good game look grimy and corrupted. Leuky=Dookie

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good ones, but the bad ones give staff in general a bad name.


Edited by: MDB on 14/04/08 at 7:49:07 AM

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Posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 00:10:31
I to never vote for this game or purchase DPs anymore. i still have over 1800days left. i think i can hold off. Ched has made way too much money off me. I was opening for a true peaceful faction for friends to train and store money. But i see after 78 more days i will once again be a one person faction warred by a HOF

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Posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 07:47:25
This thread gets more and more fun. Look Leuky shut up for once after everyone slammed him/her. An this is why I don't staff. To many power hungry jerks.


Edited by: Ariyenne on 15/04/08 at 7:48:15 AM

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Posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 17:49:41
Keep it going people...keep the pressure on...dont let this thread die...post twice as much....dont vote..... and dont buy DP's(see how cheap they are getting lol)

Peace!!

You have lost your Donator Status. You will no longer recieve 5 energy every 10 minutes and your 150 energy bar has been reduced to 100. If you would like them back, please go here to donate again.

I do not belong to a faction and have nothing to gain or lose but I will stand up for those who have been blatently ripped off.


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Posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 18:28:09
Ausangel ;
Be construction or complain...DOnt just spam for numbers. It helps the TC staff"s case for ignoring us ....

I have 583 days of Donor status left /...I wont be here when that expires if this isnt fixed in a way that adresses the huge gap between new and old players....

quote "TORN?...I created it for a hobby, never for money" endquote

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Posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 18:56:28
Its a sad day indeed when the game owner steals money from the players.

This will come back to haunt Ched.

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