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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 13:43:29
At the very least, if you're going to turn every factions into a warring one, then you should make it so that factions cannot be lost...

You might buy several DP's in order to get a faction, and then after 90 days, one of the bigger, aggressive factions comes along and... POOF... your faction disappears...

You are thieving people's money by doing this... Or is that the aim?

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 15:16:15
I think if Ched was serious that this game "was meant to be tough," then the HOF should be _required_ to war each other at least once a month.

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 15:20:54
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I think if Ched was serious that this game "was meant to be tough," then the HOF should be _required_ to war each other at least once a month.


And they dont? The last 700 days HT has constantly been at war with at least 2 other HOF factions. Several times with 4-5 HOF factions at the same time.

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 15:24:25
here come teh heroes

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 16:02:09
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Hope this will turn out better...




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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 16:22:21
hello people of Torn City i need help so help or get a bullet in your head

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 16:24:12
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And they dont? The last 700 days HT has constantly been at war with at least 2 other HOF factions. Several times with 4-5 HOF factions at the same time.


Okay Mikk, but read between the lines of what I said. If a faction like HT has a whole slew of small factions in its warbase, it makes it very difficult for those factions, but does nothing to make it difficult for HT. Get it? It's nothing more than a slaughter. Even now, a group of lower levels might do OCs and train for the remainder of "peaceful status," but why bother when they will only be slaughtered when peaceful status goes away?

I see that Ched has made some changes to correct this problem, but he didn't go far enough. HT could do the right thing and set an example by warring other HOF factions exclusively. Instead, you forged an alliance with DV, which only further consolidates the power in the game.



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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 16:28:46
Pathfinder Versus HT

How could HT even begin to justify this? Pathfinder has one member above level 26, not to mention the enormous respect disparity.



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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 20:00:48
Ok i had enough of reading about people bitching, this will all come back around when these 800 or so factions loose the peaceful status. Most will be deleted, others will be HoF food and a select few may make it as aggresive factions.

So in short nothing will have changed, there just prolonging the inevitable.

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 20:25:20
HOF will never get any respect from my faction, it will be deleted!
HOF will never get any respect from anyone while warirng weak factions.
And, as long as this game is set up for a select few(DV) i'm sure it has lost the respect of many TC players.
All I know is, I've donated my last Dollar to this game.

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 21:32:43
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Ok i had enough of reading about people bitching, this will all come back around when these 800 or so factions loose the peaceful status. Most will be deleted, others will be HoF food and a select few may make it as aggresive factions.

So in short nothing will have changed, there just prolonging the inevitable.


I agree



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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 21:49:30
great !


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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 22:08:03
Limit the number of wars a faction can initiate at 1 time. I do not believe anyone could sustain wars with 50 different gangs at one time. 5 wars would be more realistic. Or limit the number of wars with lower level factions that can be initiated by a faction.

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 22:27:12
I'm just going to provoke the HOF factions until they declare on me. Then I'm going to park in South Africa until they pay me a surrender fee to get my faction off their war list. If enough factions do this it will cripple the HOF factions from chaining. Of course then I expect that another change will be made allowing the declaring faction to end the war without a surrender. Peaceful faction leaders mail me so we can unite.

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Posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 23:10:50
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We wanted to give factions the choice⦠To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive.


ummm did anyone else count more than 4 aggressive factions?

and did i miss something or was there supposed to be some kind of reset for factions, i.e. respect? i dont think that happened did it.

c'mon ched fess up your full of the stuff that usually comes out of an uncensored arse aren't you.

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 01:06:23
It boils down to this. What is the bottom-line of the Nerfing of Peaceful Faction Status? The Silence from the HOF Faction Admins has been most eloquent. So let's put words to the Brutal Eloquence of their Silence, shall we?...

HOF Faction Admins: "Players of TC, you are simply NOT ALLOWED to play the game as you wish. You are NOT allowed to complain about not being allowed to play the game as you wish without risking invdividual Forum Bans. Players of TC, in the event enough of you post your disgruntlement with the misdeeds of HOF Faction Admins within a single thread, that ENTIRE THREAD will be summarily DELETED. Players of TC, you are ONLY allowed association with like-minded players under such circumstances as WE, the HOF Faction Admins see fit. Players of TC, your OVERWHELMING desire to associate within the Peaceful Faction Status with your friends has been noted by us and after consultation with our HOF Faction allies, we the HOF Faction Admins have decided..."

..."Players of TC...HELL NO!...It Will NEVER Happen!...Go thee forth and collectively F**k yourselves!...And don't forget to get back here and spread your cheeks for us! Players of TC, because the current theater of HOF Faction warfare largely aggrandizes the egos of the SuperStat Factions, our own most especially, we the HOF Faction Admins have decided that henceforth ALL FACTION FORMATION and ACTIVITY must in some way benefit the Egos, the Ravenous Respect Harvests and/or the Surrender Fee Machines of HOF Factions. And Players of TC, would you for Chrissakes finally quit complaining about being bent over to our Will? Relax and enjoy it, Dammit!...It WILL HAPPEN. Players of TC, accept the yoke around your necks...and the fact that we, the HOF Faction Admins OWN YOU."...


But DO YOU have to remain the Slaves of the HOF Faction Admins and their allies...?

Peaceful Status Factions...from the Beginning, I didn't believe the HOF Faction Admins and their Allies would allow you to remain Peaceful...no matter WHAT you were told by Chedburn. I even ridiculed you for what I believed as your inability to see the Obvious- that come hook or crook, you'd be cheated out of your Peaceful Status Faction. And we all know that you YOU HAVE in fact been manipulated out of your Peaceful Faction Status. Not before spending BILLIONS of Game Dollars first, as it turns out. But however much I disagreed with your choice, I'll defend unto the DEATH your right to choose Peaceful Faction Status without being CHEATED out of it by EGOMANIACAL HOF Faction Admins. I simply CANNOT stand idly by and see fellow players being BILKED of BILLIONS of Game Dollars.

I've always been convinced that Chedburn lacks a reliable moral compass. By Always, I mean since the Big Crash of 2007. Only after considerable hue and cry did Chedburn offer appropriate compensation for the loses the player base sustained. Let's face it, at the first hint of adverse Player reaction, Chedburn has always jumped into his Greased Weasel-suit and defied us to catch him.

So it is, Peaceful Factions, that I think this battle necessarily be fought much longer than was originally thought. Many thought...the HOF Faction Admins (influencing Ched) Nerfing the Peaceful Faction Status, was so obviously WRONG...much wronger even than delayed compensation for the Big Crash of 2007...that it would quickly be dealt with...many thought that those who formed Peaceful Factions would be compensated, etc. But it has YET to happen. And seemingly WON'T.

It looks like the answer many only come from Within...

I have a few ideas to Nerf 'the Nerfing of Peaceful Faction Status.' They all require some amount of coordination, which I think can be managed by some of the Pro Peaceful Faction Status players currently posting in this thread. Some of what I have to say may well be discussed elsewhere and later, but herein is the basics of what I suggest...

...And although my ideas require acting in concert, the methods I'm about to suggest are viable...not perfect or without attendant risks, but viable.

Correct me (as I may well be wrong on the specifics of this) as necessary, but as I now understand it...a Peaceful Faction (from Day O Inception) loses it's peaceful faction status on Day 91 and may then declare on 25 factions and is itself vulnerable to 25 factions declaring on it...?

If you have what is now a Peaceful Faction, and have to decided to quit Torn City in disgust, you can do the Alliance a favor before quitting. Change your faction status to Aggressive and fly to Mexico or Canada...somewhere where it appears you are simply briefly camped out. Within a short period of time, Declarations against you should come- some of them from HOF factions. Simply NEVER make that return flight. F**k those who declared on you with actual intent to war.

For reasons of keeping HOF admins from possibly (some believe 'certainly') spying on their TC Faction Forums, mIRC room communication, etc. some Factions have already formed Forums elsewhere. The Alliance could start and maintain its own 'Elsewhere' forum. Organizational tasks of the Alliance could be handled in this Elsewhere Forum. Opposition and Resistance to Future horrifically self-serving updates from our HOF admins could be more readily organized.

Understanding that Chedburn and the HOF Admins do NOT give a damn about your disgruntlement of their Nerfing your Peaceful Factions, and more significantly...the BEDROCK REASONS why you chose not to participate in the STAGGERINGLY HOF SuperStat Factions biased theater of Torn City Faction Warfare in the first place... isn't it high time you decided to Organize EFFECTIVE guerilla strategy and tactics?



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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 02:05:10
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Correct me (as I may well be wrong on the specifics of this) as necessary, but as I now understand it...a Peaceful Faction (from Day O Inception) loses it's peaceful faction status on Day 91 and may then declare on 25 factions and is itself vulnerable to 25 factions declaring on it...


ht curently in 53 wars
da curently in 51 wars
pt sof curently in 51 wars

1 faction can only declare on 50 other factions
all factions in tc can declare on 1 faction

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 02:10:20
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ht curently in 53 wars
da curently in 51 wars
pt sof curently in 51 wars

1 faction can only declare on 50 other factions
all factions in tc can declare on 1 faction


Thanks...

"All factions in TC can declare on 1 faction'? Meaning a single faction could literally have 100s of wars declared ON it?


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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 02:13:22
yea

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 02:20:19
YA EVERYONES MAD BUT ME..

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 03:07:13
Haha...I've been pointing out the problem with admins and the faction system for ages.....finally a lot of others are gettin' upset.

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 04:17:52
By Hannibal_Lecter [122301]
Haha...I've been pointing out the problem with admins and the faction system for ages.....finally a lot of others are gettin' upset.


There can be no question that Administrators using their Authority position to expand their advantages as Players is IMMORAL under any conventional definition of morality.

I argue further that the HOF Faction Admins have accomplished actual EVIL within this latest series of faction updates...

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 04:23:09
Evil? That's a bit of a stretch...lol...relax man...

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 05:07:20
By Hannibal_Lecter [122301]
Evil? That's a bit of a stretch...lol...relax man...


I'm comfortable enough. But certainly not 'relaxed'. Admittedly, 'Evil' seems too strong a term somehow... Even after you realize it's accurate.

Maybe even...especially after you realize it's accurate. Because then you realize nothing's being done about it. And that even IF nothing is ever done about it, you like the Game enough to play on. And then maybe you understand why the Atrocities of the Holocaust were overlooked so long by so many.

...You play an Online Game...that in some respects closely mirrors Reality. Within a short period of time, the Online game has it's Own version of the Holocaust in place.

People tell you to 'relax'...

Relax...thus far it's only been the destruction of virtually every faction to ever exist.

Relax...it will only continue to BE the destruction of every faction to ever exist. Even the destruction of those created with the assurance they wouldn't be destroyed if they retained their Peaceful Status.

No...I don't think 'relaxed' is the thing to be. AT ALL. I think 'pissed' and vocal about it is the thing to be.

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 05:25:27
I love war, and have not chained in 1 year. I might have to soon.

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 08:55:32
Make it so your faction gain peaceful staus for 30 days at the cost of 500 respect. A faction could save themselves from being crushed, but doing it too often would make them fat and lazy so they would disband. Any faction needing time to train new members could also jump down to this status.

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 08:57:08
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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 09:45:06
Hmmm well lets see... 800 - 4 = Not impressed players...oh wait we are forgetting that each member within the faction who has also donated... is also unimpressed which then varies the number even more so to a possible 8000+ !!!

so.... 8000 + unhappy customers X a strike on buying dps X members leaving TC altogether X the ability for 8000+ people to write unsatisfied reviews on X multiple game forums etc...

Hmmm let me see what am I getting at... Ah yes! people use your voice where it counts game forums etc and not TC as it is clear noone cares....

Do future gamers a favour and warn them then look into your legal rights because interestingly you do have some...

:@ Vivi

Ever heard of class actions? theyre pretty effective...


Edited by: El_Vivica on 20/03/08 at 9:52:40 AM

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 13:23:08
this faction thing is was too stressful especially for leaders and co-leaders. Im going solo for the meantime

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Posted on Thu Mar 20, 2008 13:33:36
ADMINS, READ THE DAMN FORUM!

1.) Let people have their peaceful status until they want to remove it!

2.) Use a tier system or class organization for factions that you are able to attack according to your faction's rank.

3.) Use the same system, but make it so that you can only attack certain amount of days old a player is. This will not work on level because people are not leveling up that are 900+ Days old and are only level 26. Come on, you know that is the wrong level for them.

Don't be ignorant about the situation admins. People have given you suggestions on how to resolve the mater. Don't say nobody has come up with a good plan. The Great Wall of China was started with a single brick. Why can't you fix the problem by starting to handle the situation instead of hiding in your corners and not replying to the people of TC?

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