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Posted on Mon Mar 10, 2008 23:06:34
Gotta give in to the factions that are wanting easy meat even though it's the newer players who spend real dollars on DP's. Personnaly I will fight for my faction but some people just don't want it so why take the choice away from them so soon after it was introduced.

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Posted on Mon Mar 10, 2008 23:42:53
you staff are tarded why not just listen to the majority of players and keep it the way it is, or have two kinds of faction those for crime and those for fighting, like i said earlier as this will keep everyone happy...

or total reset as people are over 3 years old now, how the hell are the new players going to be able to match up, they aint

games like this should get reset every couple of years thats always been the way with the games ive played like this one to keep the game feeling fresh...

so ched sort this out before it's too late..

also why the hell are staff playing the game anyway, thats bs their staff so keep to staff duties, if they do want to play the have two accounts one for staff stuff the ova for playing then moaning when its not going there way cos we all know that would happen

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 00:50:39
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you staff are tarded why not just listen to the majority of players and keep it the way it is, or have two kinds of faction those for crime and those for fighting, like i said earlier as this will keep everyone happy...

or total reset as people are over 3 years old now, how the hell are the new players going to be able to match up, they aint

games like this should get reset every couple of years thats always been the way with the games ive played like this one to keep the game feeling fresh...

so ched sort this out before it's too late..

also why the hell are staff playing the game anyway, thats bs their staff so keep to staff duties, if they do want to play the have two accounts one for staff stuff the ova for playing then moaning when its not going there way cos we all know that would happen


heck no no reset im just 11 days away from my walking stick i needs that for my poor old back

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 01:09:33
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I am in agreement with the majority of people who have created new factions in the hope of remaining peaceful. High Octane Racing created a faction so that all the members of the three company branches could have one common meeting place. One common forum to help each other get better at racing. We had no interest whatsoever in the warring, and the OC element is something that we would mostly, if not all, be happy to eliminate if it meant keeping our ability to have a place to meet and talk and plan races.

Is High Octane the only group of people who have found a reason for a faction or faction-like organization that does NOT involve beating the crap out of other people on an hourly basis? We wanted medical supply closet so that we could keep racers out of the hospital. We did not want the armory, to keep putting people INTO the hospital. Doesn't this say something? Anything at all?

I am in favor of people getting their money back--AND their points, which have been spent on expanding the factions--if they want to delete their faction, on the basis that they were lured into creating it under false pretenses.
I am in favor of a limit on the number of factions that can be in a warbase.
I am in favor on SEVERE respect penalties for attacking lower level players during a chain, and limits on the difference in the amount of respect a faction can have compared to the ones that they are attacking.

I am in favor of paying the game for protection status, or initiating a game-monitored system of protection, like the new trade system, where factions may trade with each other, but this will prevent the faction from re-declaring with a game mechanic. It simply will not allow a faction to declare war on another faction that has paid them protection until that protection period is over. Like renting a house. You can decide the length of time, and the price per day, and once it is set up, the deal is FINAL.

I am in HUGELY in favor of all staff members being restricted from being in factions, other than for the purposes of testing and implementing new updates to the game. I believe that once a person becomes a staff member, they have taken on a responsibility to the game and the players of the game that may prevent them from taking part in certain aspects of the game; the same way that radio station employees cannot partake in their contests.
[Edit]I did not know that Staff and Game Administrators were two separate things. It has been brought to my attention by a staff member that he and those like himself have no fore-knowledge of the new updates and are as much at the whims of the masters of this game as the rest of us. I apologize to the staff members for my misinterpretation. I am not going to delete what I said (above this}, because my general feeling remains the same, though the direction of this feeling is cast not so much at the staff members as the Administrators, or anyone with foreknowledge of the game or means to make changes in the game that may be working to make changes to benefit specifically themselves, ie their characters. I do not know if this is happening-or if it is, who might be doing it-but I simply want to state my opinion that anyone with the ability to directly affect the game should be prohibited from doing so in a way that benefits themselves. My analogy to the radio station employees stands as an example of how this abuse of power can easily be averted.[/dit]

I am in favor of any one of more of these things being implemented, but as I see it, the HoF factions and the staff members who make up the HoF rosters will not see any of these options as something they can live with. It is all about the few, the powerful, the greedy. (Funny how the game so perfectly imitates real life!)

To that end, I can understand the opinion of those who this will benefit the most that "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen" and I can see the valid reasons for their point of view. This is a game of fighting, of war, of strife. This is a game where "safety" is a matter of having a bigger gun than the other guy, and "honor" goes only as far as your pocket book can buy. This is a game that is as close as it can be to the harshness of reality, in a darker world, where there is no police force to protect the weak, and there are no innocents. We are all criminals here in Torn City.

The problem with this is a matter of the real world encroaching on the game world. People have paid Chedburn a lot of real money in donator packs to make their factions great places for they and their friends to meet and have fun in their own ways. To train new players, to help the lower levels to get to a point where they can stand a chance against the middle-of-the-road characters--no illusions of ever being able to stand against the older players with stats in the millions. They paid, and they have been lied to, and cheated. In game terms, cheating is part of the game, and I say caveot emptor--Let The Buyer Beware. But the purchase of donator packs is a real world thing, and there MUST be some sort of accountability on Chedburn's part in regard to his actions to the people who support him with real life money. I am not talking about the characters getting screwed here; that is just in the game. I am speaking of the PLAYERS. The real world people, who paid real world money under false pretenses only to have the mirage of safety ripped away, revealing, all too late, the vast wasteland that is Chedburn's barren, emotionless agenda. He cares not one lick about any of his players, or he would listen to them and try to help.

Paypal has just this afternoon recieved 25 dollars from my bank that I was going to use to purchase FIVE donator packs for this game, so that I could put points into the faction for advancement, and sell some for my own character's benefit. I am glad that a fellow racer and honest, decent human being has showed me this forum thread before I did that, because, considering the content of this update and the disregard Chedburn has displayed for his players, I am not buying another donator pack again ever. I will use in game money, and sell everything to other players, boosting the economy of TC rather than removing money from it by selling items back to the game.

This is long, but I hope that some of you will read it.

Oh, and in case this post is too offensive to the tastes of certain people and ends up getting deleted, I have saved it to a word processor and will repost it as many times as necessary. And if I get fedded for that or forum banned, I'll just make a new character for the purpose of mailing every single player in this game personally with this. Not to make threats here, simply covering myself and letting it be known that the word of the dissenting MAJORITY will not be easily silenced. I have never made trouble for this game, though the recent dirty bomb has caused me to want very much to do so (see my profile signature for my reasons), and federal jail and deletion because I spoke my mind is an affront to the standards of the game, which Chedburn himself has set. So I am covering myself from this (hopefully), and do so with respect and calmness.
[Edit]It has also been said to me that this last paragraph is a deviation from the structure and context of the rest of the post, and detracts from its credibility, as it can be taken as a threat to those who run the game. Let me please reiterate that I do not state this as a threat or mean any disrespect by this statement. I posted the last paragraph as an afterthought because I know personally of people who have posted in the forums of some sites (not necessarily TC, though at least one case was here in Torn) and had their posts deleted, not because of flaming, or breaking of any forum rules, but specifically because they were well-stated arguments against the way things were. One such person was forum banned for reposting the same post after it was deleted and then repeating these actions in effort to have his dissenting opinion heard. That is why I posted this last paragraph. It is my high hope that it is completely superfluous and that my fears are unnecessary. Nevertheless, I will take these precautions simply because I know we live in an imperfect world, where it is possible for such things to occur. I ask those in charge and those that assist them to please understand that I mean no disrespect by it.[/Edit]

Sincerely,
Romano Giovanni
(Played by Michael Hester)


Edited by: Romano_Giovanni on 10/03/08 at 9:48:43 PM
so well put


this is pure brilliance and i really hope staff do read and understand it everything said here is obviously very well thought out and makes a very good point plus throws out some suggestions to improve. well posted FreeBIrd4EvEr

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I am in agreement with the majority of people who have created new factions in the hope of remaining peaceful. High Octane Racing created a faction so that all the members of the three company branches could have one common meeting place. One common forum to help each other get better at racing. We had no interest whatsoever in the warring, and the OC element is something that we would mostly, if not all, be happy to eliminate if it meant keeping our ability to have a place to meet and talk and plan races.

Is High Octane the only group of people who have found a reason for a faction or faction-like organization that does NOT involve beating the crap out of other people on an hourly basis? We wanted medical supply closet so that we could keep racers out of the hospital. We did not want the armory, to keep putting people INTO the hospital. Doesn't this say something? Anything at all?

I am in favor of people getting their money back--AND their points, which have been spent on expanding the factions--if they want to delete their faction, on the basis that they were lured into creating it under false pretenses.
I am in favor of a limit on the number of factions that can be in a warbase.
I am in favor on SEVERE respect penalties for attacking lower level players during a chain, and limits on the difference in the amount of respect a faction can have compared to the ones that they are attacking.

I am in favor of paying the game for protection status, or initiating a game-monitored system of protection, like the new trade system, where factions may trade with each other, but this will prevent the faction from re-declaring with a game mechanic. It simply will not allow a faction to declare war on another faction that has paid them protection until that protection period is over. Like renting a house. You can decide the length of time, and the price per day, and once it is set up, the deal is FINAL.

I am in HUGELY in favor of all staff members being restricted from being in factions, other than for the purposes of testing and implementing new updates to the game. I believe that once a person becomes a staff member, they have taken on a responsibility to the game and the players of the game that may prevent them from taking part in certain aspects of the game; the same way that radio station employees cannot partake in their contests.
[Edit]I did not know that Staff and Game Administrators were two separate things. It has been brought to my attention by a staff member that he and those like himself have no fore-knowledge of the new updates and are as much at the whims of the masters of this game as the rest of us. I apologize to the staff members for my misinterpretation. I am not going to delete what I said (above this}, because my general feeling remains the same, though the direction of this feeling is cast not so much at the staff members as the Administrators, or anyone with foreknowledge of the game or means to make changes in the game that may be working to make changes to benefit specifically themselves, ie their characters. I do not know if this is happening-or if it is, who might be doing it-but I simply want to state my opinion that anyone with the ability to directly affect the game should be prohibited from doing so in a way that benefits themselves. My analogy to the radio station employees stands as an example of how this abuse of power can easily be averted.[/dit]

I am in favor of any one of more of these things being implemented, but as I see it, the HoF factions and the staff members who make up the HoF rosters will not see any of these options as something they can live with. It is all about the few, the powerful, the greedy. (Funny how the game so perfectly imitates real life!)

To that end, I can understand the opinion of those who this will benefit the most that "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen" and I can see the valid reasons for their point of view. This is a game of fighting, of war, of strife. This is a game where "safety" is a matter of having a bigger gun than the other guy, and "honor" goes only as far as your pocket book can buy. This is a game that is as close as it can be to the harshness of reality, in a darker world, where there is no police force to protect the weak, and there are no innocents. We are all criminals here in Torn City.

The problem with this is a matter of the real world encroaching on the game world. People have paid Chedburn a lot of real money in donator packs to make their factions great places for they and their friends to meet and have fun in their own ways. To train new players, to help the lower levels to get to a point where they can stand a chance against the middle-of-the-road characters--no illusions of ever being able to stand against the older players with stats in the millions. They paid, and they have been lied to, and cheated. In game terms, cheating is part of the game, and I say caveot emptor--Let The Buyer Beware. But the purchase of donator packs is a real world thing, and there MUST be some sort of accountability on Chedburn's part in regard to his actions to the people who support him with real life money. I am not talking about the characters getting screwed here; that is just in the game. I am speaking of the PLAYERS. The real world people, who paid real world money under false pretenses only to have the mirage of safety ripped away, revealing, all too late, the vast wasteland that is Chedburn's barren, emotionless agenda. He cares not one lick about any of his players, or he would listen to them and try to help.

Paypal has just this afternoon recieved 25 dollars from my bank that I was going to use to purchase FIVE donator packs for this game, so that I could put points into the faction for advancement, and sell some for my own character's benefit. I am glad that a fellow racer and honest, decent human being has showed me this forum thread before I did that, because, considering the content of this update and the disregard Chedburn has displayed for his players, I am not buying another donator pack again ever. I will use in game money, and sell everything to other players, boosting the economy of TC rather than removing money from it by selling items back to the game.

This is long, but I hope that some of you will read it.

Oh, and in case this post is too offensive to the tastes of certain people and ends up getting deleted, I have saved it to a word processor and will repost it as many times as necessary. And if I get fedded for that or forum banned, I'll just make a new character for the purpose of mailing every single player in this game personally with this. Not to make threats here, simply covering myself and letting it be known that the word of the dissenting MAJORITY will not be easily silenced. I have never made trouble for this game, though the recent dirty bomb has caused me to want very much to do so (see my profile signature for my reasons), and federal jail and deletion because I spoke my mind is an affront to the standards of the game, which Chedburn himself has set. So I am covering myself from this (hopefully), and do so with respect and calmness.
[Edit]It has also been said to me that this last paragraph is a deviation from the structure and context of the rest of the post, and detracts from its credibility, as it can be taken as a threat to those who run the game. Let me please reiterate that I do not state this as a threat or mean any disrespect by this statement. I posted the last paragraph as an afterthought because I know personally of people who have posted in the forums of some sites (not necessarily TC, though at least one case was here in Torn) and had their posts deleted, not because of flaming, or breaking of any forum rules, but specifically because they were well-stated arguments against the way things were. One such person was forum banned for reposting the same post after it was deleted and then repeating these actions in effort to have his dissenting opinion heard. That is why I posted this last paragraph. It is my high hope that it is completely superfluous and that my fears are unnecessary. Nevertheless, I will take these precautions simply because I know we live in an imperfect world, where it is possible for such things to occur. I ask those in charge and those that assist them to please understand that I mean no disrespect by it.[/Edit]

Sincerely,
Romano Giovanni
(Played by Michael Hester)


Edited by: Romano_Giovanni on 10/03/08 at 9:48:43 PM
so well put


this is pure brilliance and i really hope staff do read and understand it everything said here is obviously very well thought out and makes a very good point plus throws out some suggestions to improve. well posted FreeBIrd4EvEr


nope not me it was a copy paste from another thread on this matter heres the man that should get a standing ovation (however u spell/say it) Romano_Giovanni

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 01:22:49
lol... pretty gay to say u can be a peaceful faction and have tons of new factions rise up due to this, then take it away because there isn't alot of factions in war or the decline of war. maybe instead of giving respect points to those in peaceful mode they shouldnt get any, and only can get respect points is by being in war mode. the idea of a game like this should be choice and not have something forced apon.

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 02:15:48
Not happy one bit about this!!!!



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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 02:15:50
wow ok

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 02:28:20
staff need to look at just what was wrong with the old system that made them put the safety of peaceful status in, in the first place?

They know that it was screwed up, HoF factions were just demanding too much money for protection, or intentionally wiping factions out that were being "Protected" by other rival factions just to take away their money. For my old faction it was almost tag team between the HoF factions as to who was going to chain us next. And with the new updates, they were able to wipe us out so quickly it was unreal. the level of players doesnt really help as many people lvl hold as it is, so when your being chained by some factions lvl 26's their real lvl's are about lvl 40, but they suffer no loss to respect gain because of this. Lvl'ing up shouldnt be a real option, you hit the level you go up, simple as, that way people cant hold back to either sucker punch other players or so that people can continue to chain and gain maximum respect.

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 02:47:42
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staff need to look at just what was wrong with the old system that made them put the safety of peaceful status in, in the first place?

They know that it was screwed up, HoF factions were just demanding too much money for protection, or intentionally wiping factions out that were being "Protected" by other rival factions just to take away their money. For my old faction it was almost tag team between the HoF factions as to who was going to chain us next. And with the new updates, they were able to wipe us out so quickly it was unreal. the level of players doesnt really help as many people lvl hold as it is, so when your being chained by some factions lvl 26's their real lvl's are about lvl 40, but they suffer no loss to respect gain because of this. Lvl'ing up shouldnt be a real option, you hit the level you go up, simple as, that way people cant hold back to either sucker punch other players or so that people can continue to chain and gain maximum respect.


some lvl from crime exp and not battle stats so that wouldnt be right

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I am in agreement with the majority of people who have created new factions in the hope of remaining peaceful. High Octane Racing created a faction so that all the members of the three company branches could have one common meeting place. One common forum to help each other get better at racing. We had no interest whatsoever in the warring, and the OC element is something that we would mostly, if not all, be happy to eliminate if it meant keeping our ability to have a place to meet and talk and plan races.

Is High Octane the only group of people who have found a reason for a faction or faction-like organization that does NOT involve beating the crap out of other people on an hourly basis? We wanted medical supply closet so that we could keep racers out of the hospital. We did not want the armory, to keep putting people INTO the hospital. Doesn't this say something? Anything at all?

I am in favor of people getting their money back--AND their points, which have been spent on expanding the factions--if they want to delete their faction, on the basis that they were lured into creating it under false pretenses.
I am in favor of a limit on the number of factions that can be in a warbase.
I am in favor on SEVERE respect penalties for attacking lower level players during a chain, and limits on the difference in the amount of respect a faction can have compared to the ones that they are attacking.

I am in favor of paying the game for protection status, or initiating a game-monitored system of protection, like the new trade system, where factions may trade with each other, but this will prevent the faction from re-declaring with a game mechanic. It simply will not allow a faction to declare war on another faction that has paid them protection until that protection period is over. Like renting a house. You can decide the length of time, and the price per day, and once it is set up, the deal is FINAL.

I am in HUGELY in favor of all staff members being restricted from being in factions, other than for the purposes of testing and implementing new updates to the game. I believe that once a person becomes a staff member, they have taken on a responsibility to the game and the players of the game that may prevent them from taking part in certain aspects of the game; the same way that radio station employees cannot partake in their contests.
[Edit]I did not know that Staff and Game Administrators were two separate things. It has been brought to my attention by a staff member that he and those like himself have no fore-knowledge of the new updates and are as much at the whims of the masters of this game as the rest of us. I apologize to the staff members for my misinterpretation. I am not going to delete what I said (above this}, because my general feeling remains the same, though the direction of this feeling is cast not so much at the staff members as the Administrators, or anyone with foreknowledge of the game or means to make changes in the game that may be working to make changes to benefit specifically themselves, ie their characters. I do not know if this is happening-or if it is, who might be doing it-but I simply want to state my opinion that anyone with the ability to directly affect the game should be prohibited from doing so in a way that benefits themselves. My analogy to the radio station employees stands as an example of how this abuse of power can easily be averted.[/dit]

I am in favor of any one of more of these things being implemented, but as I see it, the HoF factions and the staff members who make up the HoF rosters will not see any of these options as something they can live with. It is all about the few, the powerful, the greedy. (Funny how the game so perfectly imitates real life!)

To that end, I can understand the opinion of those who this will benefit the most that "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen" and I can see the valid reasons for their point of view. This is a game of fighting, of war, of strife. This is a game where "safety" is a matter of having a bigger gun than the other guy, and "honor" goes only as far as your pocket book can buy. This is a game that is as close as it can be to the harshness of reality, in a darker world, where there is no police force to protect the weak, and there are no innocents. We are all criminals here in Torn City.

The problem with this is a matter of the real world encroaching on the game world. People have paid Chedburn a lot of real money in donator packs to make their factions great places for they and their friends to meet and have fun in their own ways. To train new players, to help the lower levels to get to a point where they can stand a chance against the middle-of-the-road characters--no illusions of ever being able to stand against the older players with stats in the millions. They paid, and they have been lied to, and cheated. In game terms, cheating is part of the game, and I say caveot emptor--Let The Buyer Beware. But the purchase of donator packs is a real world thing, and there MUST be some sort of accountability on Chedburn's part in regard to his actions to the people who support him with real life money. I am not talking about the characters getting screwed here; that is just in the game. I am speaking of the PLAYERS. The real world people, who paid real world money under false pretenses only to have the mirage of safety ripped away, revealing, all too late, the vast wasteland that is Chedburn's barren, emotionless agenda. He cares not one lick about any of his players, or he would listen to them and try to help.

Paypal has just this afternoon recieved 25 dollars from my bank that I was going to use to purchase FIVE donator packs for this game, so that I could put points into the faction for advancement, and sell some for my own character's benefit. I am glad that a fellow racer and honest, decent human being has showed me this forum thread before I did that, because, considering the content of this update and the disregard Chedburn has displayed for his players, I am not buying another donator pack again ever. I will use in game money, and sell everything to other players, boosting the economy of TC rather than removing money from it by selling items back to the game.

This is long, but I hope that some of you will read it.

Oh, and in case this post is too offensive to the tastes of certain people and ends up getting deleted, I have saved it to a word processor and will repost it as many times as necessary. And if I get fedded for that or forum banned, I'll just make a new character for the purpose of mailing every single player in this game personally with this. Not to make threats here, simply covering myself and letting it be known that the word of the dissenting MAJORITY will not be easily silenced. I have never made trouble for this game, though the recent dirty bomb has caused me to want very much to do so (see my profile signature for my reasons), and federal jail and deletion because I spoke my mind is an affront to the standards of the game, which Chedburn himself has set. So I am covering myself from this (hopefully), and do so with respect and calmness.
[Edit]It has also been said to me that this last paragraph is a deviation from the structure and context of the rest of the post, and detracts from its credibility, as it can be taken as a threat to those who run the game. Let me please reiterate that I do not state this as a threat or mean any disrespect by this statement. I posted the last paragraph as an afterthought because I know personally of people who have posted in the forums of some sites (not necessarily TC, though at least one case was here in Torn) and had their posts deleted, not because of flaming, or breaking of any forum rules, but specifically because they were well-stated arguments against the way things were. One such person was forum banned for reposting the same post after it was deleted and then repeating these actions in effort to have his dissenting opinion heard. That is why I posted this last paragraph. It is my high hope that it is completely superfluous and that my fears are unnecessary. Nevertheless, I will take these precautions simply because I know we live in an imperfect world, where it is possible for such things to occur. I ask those in charge and those that assist them to please understand that I mean no disrespect by it.[/Edit]

Sincerely,
Romano Giovanni
(Played by Michael Hester)


Edited by: Romano_Giovanni on 10/03/08 at 9:48:43 PM
so well put


this is pure brilliance and i really hope staff do read and understand it everything said here is obviously very well thought out and makes a very good point plus throws out some suggestions to improve. well posted FreeBIrd4EvEr


Well put.

I agree.

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 08:18:58
OK here is the one glaring flaw in your tiered/ranked way of faction war.

Faction "A" is brand new and never has been in a war... they have roughly 600 respect from doing oc's. Day 91 rolls around and they lose their peaceful status.

Now if I see this right only lower ranked factions can attack them right?

So faction "B" is created by members of a HOF faction.. they only have 250 respect cause they are brand new...

Faction B declares on faction A and zero's them. So Faction B now has 850 respect.. they then declare on another faction until they hit rank/tier 2 ..... ok now the HOF has a faction at tier 3 and at tier 2 and hell lets get em a faction "C" in tier 1 again...

So faction "B" is kickin ass in level/tier 2 and make it to level 3. Faction "C" is kickin ass in tier /level1 and make it to level 2.

The original HOF faction then declares on their sub faction "B" and zero's them without a fight just so they can get the respect points and new upgrades to the faction.

Repeat the cycle with faction "D", "E" "F"..... you see my point....

Only way to keep this from happening is to save your money from OC's and delete your faction after 90 days and buy a new peaceful one.



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Everyone needs to stop QQing and just live with it. How would life be if everyone was ensured safety for life? life itself would be boredom.

so shut up n play!

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Everyone needs to stop QQing and just live with it. How would life be if everyone was ensured safety for life? life itself would be boredom.

so shut up n play!


A lot better than everyone being guaranteed of being blead dry until you can no longer afford to pay due to ridiculous demands and then have everything snatched away by a few greedy people, battered beyond hope when the system is designed against them


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Everyone needs to stop QQing and just live with it. How would life be if everyone was ensured safety for life? life itself would be boredom.

so shut up n play!


A lot better than everyone being guaranteed of being blead dry until you can no longer afford to pay due to ridiculous demands and then have everything snatched away by a few greedy people, battered beyond hope when the system is designed against them


dont join a faction if you cannot handle the competition. This game is about being victorious, and if it means having to eliminate some factions to be victorious Im all for it.

You can have a world where everyone sits in a circle holding hands singing Kumbaya.

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I am in agreement with the majority of people who have created new factions in the hope of remaining peaceful. High Octane Racing created a faction so that all the members of the three company branches could have one common meeting place. One common forum to help each other get better at racing. We had no interest whatsoever in the warring, and the OC element is something that we would mostly, if not all, be happy to eliminate if it meant keeping our ability to have a place to meet and talk and plan races.

Is High Octane the only group of people who have found a reason for a faction or faction-like organization that does NOT involve beating the crap out of other people on an hourly basis? We wanted medical supply closet so that we could keep racers out of the hospital. We did not want the armory, to keep putting people INTO the hospital. Doesn't this say something? Anything at all?

I am in favor of people getting their money back--AND their points, which have been spent on expanding the factions--if they want to delete their faction, on the basis that they were lured into creating it under false pretenses.
I am in favor of a limit on the number of factions that can be in a warbase.
I am in favor on SEVERE respect penalties for attacking lower level players during a chain, and limits on the difference in the amount of respect a faction can have compared to the ones that they are attacking.

I am in favor of paying the game for protection status, or initiating a game-monitored system of protection, like the new trade system, where factions may trade with each other, but this will prevent the faction from re-declaring with a game mechanic. It simply will not allow a faction to declare war on another faction that has paid them protection until that protection period is over. Like renting a house. You can decide the length of time, and the price per day, and once it is set up, the deal is FINAL.

I am in HUGELY in favor of all staff members being restricted from being in factions, other than for the purposes of testing and implementing new updates to the game. I believe that once a person becomes a staff member, they have taken on a responsibility to the game and the players of the game that may prevent them from taking part in certain aspects of the game; the same way that radio station employees cannot partake in their contests.
[Edit]I did not know that Staff and Game Administrators were two separate things. It has been brought to my attention by a staff member that he and those like himself have no fore-knowledge of the new updates and are as much at the whims of the masters of this game as the rest of us. I apologize to the staff members for my misinterpretation. I am not going to delete what I said (above this}, because my general feeling remains the same, though the direction of this feeling is cast not so much at the staff members as the Administrators, or anyone with foreknowledge of the game or means to make changes in the game that may be working to make changes to benefit specifically themselves, ie their characters. I do not know if this is happening-or if it is, who might be doing it-but I simply want to state my opinion that anyone with the ability to directly affect the game should be prohibited from doing so in a way that benefits themselves. My analogy to the radio station employees stands as an example of how this abuse of power can easily be averted.[/dit]

I am in favor of any one of more of these things being implemented, but as I see it, the HoF factions and the staff members who make up the HoF rosters will not see any of these options as something they can live with. It is all about the few, the powerful, the greedy. (Funny how the game so perfectly imitates real life!)

To that end, I can understand the opinion of those who this will benefit the most that "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen" and I can see the valid reasons for their point of view. This is a game of fighting, of war, of strife. This is a game where "safety" is a matter of having a bigger gun than the other guy, and "honor" goes only as far as your pocket book can buy. This is a game that is as close as it can be to the harshness of reality, in a darker world, where there is no police force to protect the weak, and there are no innocents. We are all criminals here in Torn City.

The problem with this is a matter of the real world encroaching on the game world. People have paid Chedburn a lot of real money in donator packs to make their factions great places for they and their friends to meet and have fun in their own ways. To train new players, to help the lower levels to get to a point where they can stand a chance against the middle-of-the-road characters--no illusions of ever being able to stand against the older players with stats in the millions. They paid, and they have been lied to, and cheated. In game terms, cheating is part of the game, and I say caveot emptor--Let The Buyer Beware. But the purchase of donator packs is a real world thing, and there MUST be some sort of accountability on Chedburn's part in regard to his actions to the people who support him with real life money. I am not talking about the characters getting screwed here; that is just in the game. I am speaking of the PLAYERS. The real world people, who paid real world money under false pretenses only to have the mirage of safety ripped away, revealing, all too late, the vast wasteland that is Chedburn's barren, emotionless agenda. He cares not one lick about any of his players, or he would listen to them and try to help.

Paypal has just this afternoon recieved 25 dollars from my bank that I was going to use to purchase FIVE donator packs for this game, so that I could put points into the faction for advancement, and sell some for my own character's benefit. I am glad that a fellow racer and honest, decent human being has showed me this forum thread before I did that, because, considering the content of this update and the disregard Chedburn has displayed for his players, I am not buying another donator pack again ever. I will use in game money, and sell everything to other players, boosting the economy of TC rather than removing money from it by selling items back to the game.

This is long, but I hope that some of you will read it.

Oh, and in case this post is too offensive to the tastes of certain people and ends up getting deleted, I have saved it to a word processor and will repost it as many times as necessary. And if I get fedded for that or forum banned, I'll just make a new character for the purpose of mailing every single player in this game personally with this. Not to make threats here, simply covering myself and letting it be known that the word of the dissenting MAJORITY will not be easily silenced. I have never made trouble for this game, though the recent dirty bomb has caused me to want very much to do so (see my profile signature for my reasons), and federal jail and deletion because I spoke my mind is an affront to the standards of the game, which Chedburn himself has set. So I am covering myself from this (hopefully), and do so with respect and calmness.
[Edit]It has also been said to me that this last paragraph is a deviation from the structure and context of the rest of the post, and detracts from its credibility, as it can be taken as a threat to those who run the game. Let me please reiterate that I do not state this as a threat or mean any disrespect by this statement. I posted the last paragraph as an afterthought because I know personally of people who have posted in the forums of some sites (not necessarily TC, though at least one case was here in Torn) and had their posts deleted, not because of flaming, or breaking of any forum rules, but specifically because they were well-stated arguments against the way things were. One such person was forum banned for reposting the same post after it was deleted and then repeating these actions in effort to have his dissenting opinion heard. That is why I posted this last paragraph. It is my high hope that it is completely superfluous and that my fears are unnecessary. Nevertheless, I will take these precautions simply because I know we live in an imperfect world, where it is possible for such things to occur. I ask those in charge and those that assist them to please understand that I mean no disrespect by it.[/Edit]

Sincerely,
Romano Giovanni
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Edited by: Romano_Giovanni on 10/03/08 at 9:48:43 PM
so well put


this is pure brilliance and i really hope staff do read and understand it everything said here is obviously very well thought out and makes a very good point plus throws out some suggestions to improve. well posted FreeBIrd4EvEr


Well put.

I agree.



i agree. many $millions have been put into these new factions. and much of this money comes from donator packs so whilst we have been lining chedburns pockets we exepect our money not to go to waste.

what is going to happen is a major faction are going to get all the respect and this one faction is going to have all the benifits of the money people have paid.

think of it like this. people are working for hours in real life to benifit the major faction's of torncity and for no benifit of there own now i might be exagerating slightly but this is similar to slavery!


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I am in agreement with the majority of people who have created new factions in the hope of remaining peaceful. High Octane Racing created a faction so that all the members of the three company branches could have one common meeting place. One common forum to help each other get better at racing. We had no interest whatsoever in the warring, and the OC element is something that we would mostly, if not all, be happy to eliminate if it meant keeping our ability to have a place to meet and talk and plan races.

Is High Octane the only group of people who have found a reason for a faction or faction-like organization that does NOT involve beating the crap out of other people on an hourly basis? We wanted medical supply closet so that we could keep racers out of the hospital. We did not want the armory, to keep putting people INTO the hospital. Doesn't this say something? Anything at all?

I am in favor of people getting their money back--AND their points, which have been spent on expanding the factions--if they want to delete their faction, on the basis that they were lured into creating it under false pretenses.
I am in favor of a limit on the number of factions that can be in a warbase.
I am in favor on SEVERE respect penalties for attacking lower level players during a chain, and limits on the difference in the amount of respect a faction can have compared to the ones that they are attacking.

I am in favor of paying the game for protection status, or initiating a game-monitored system of protection, like the new trade system, where factions may trade with each other, but this will prevent the faction from re-declaring with a game mechanic. It simply will not allow a faction to declare war on another faction that has paid them protection until that protection period is over. Like renting a house. You can decide the length of time, and the price per day, and once it is set up, the deal is FINAL.

I am in HUGELY in favor of all staff members being restricted from being in factions, other than for the purposes of testing and implementing new updates to the game. I believe that once a person becomes a staff member, they have taken on a responsibility to the game and the players of the game that may prevent them from taking part in certain aspects of the game; the same way that radio station employees cannot partake in their contests.
[Edit]I did not know that Staff and Game Administrators were two separate things. It has been brought to my attention by a staff member that he and those like himself have no fore-knowledge of the new updates and are as much at the whims of the masters of this game as the rest of us. I apologize to the staff members for my misinterpretation. I am not going to delete what I said (above this}, because my general feeling remains the same, though the direction of this feeling is cast not so much at the staff members as the Administrators, or anyone with foreknowledge of the game or means to make changes in the game that may be working to make changes to benefit specifically themselves, ie their characters. I do not know if this is happening-or if it is, who might be doing it-but I simply want to state my opinion that anyone with the ability to directly affect the game should be prohibited from doing so in a way that benefits themselves. My analogy to the radio station employees stands as an example of how this abuse of power can easily be averted.[/dit]

I am in favor of any one of more of these things being implemented, but as I see it, the HoF factions and the staff members who make up the HoF rosters will not see any of these options as something they can live with. It is all about the few, the powerful, the greedy. (Funny how the game so perfectly imitates real life!)

To that end, I can understand the opinion of those who this will benefit the most that "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen" and I can see the valid reasons for their point of view. This is a game of fighting, of war, of strife. This is a game where "safety" is a matter of having a bigger gun than the other guy, and "honor" goes only as far as your pocket book can buy. This is a game that is as close as it can be to the harshness of reality, in a darker world, where there is no police force to protect the weak, and there are no innocents. We are all criminals here in Torn City.

The problem with this is a matter of the real world encroaching on the game world. People have paid Chedburn a lot of real money in donator packs to make their factions great places for they and their friends to meet and have fun in their own ways. To train new players, to help the lower levels to get to a point where they can stand a chance against the middle-of-the-road characters--no illusions of ever being able to stand against the older players with stats in the millions. They paid, and they have been lied to, and cheated. In game terms, cheating is part of the game, and I say caveot emptor--Let The Buyer Beware. But the purchase of donator packs is a real world thing, and there MUST be some sort of accountability on Chedburn's part in regard to his actions to the people who support him with real life money. I am not talking about the characters getting screwed here; that is just in the game. I am speaking of the PLAYERS. The real world people, who paid real world money under false pretenses only to have the mirage of safety ripped away, revealing, all too late, the vast wasteland that is Chedburn's barren, emotionless agenda. He cares not one lick about any of his players, or he would listen to them and try to help.

Paypal has just this afternoon recieved 25 dollars from my bank that I was going to use to purchase FIVE donator packs for this game, so that I could put points into the faction for advancement, and sell some for my own character's benefit. I am glad that a fellow racer and honest, decent human being has showed me this forum thread before I did that, because, considering the content of this update and the disregard Chedburn has displayed for his players, I am not buying another donator pack again ever. I will use in game money, and sell everything to other players, boosting the economy of TC rather than removing money from it by selling items back to the game.

This is long, but I hope that some of you will read it.

Oh, and in case this post is too offensive to the tastes of certain people and ends up getting deleted, I have saved it to a word processor and will repost it as many times as necessary. And if I get fedded for that or forum banned, I'll just make a new character for the purpose of mailing every single player in this game personally with this. Not to make threats here, simply covering myself and letting it be known that the word of the dissenting MAJORITY will not be easily silenced. I have never made trouble for this game, though the recent dirty bomb has caused me to want very much to do so (see my profile signature for my reasons), and federal jail and deletion because I spoke my mind is an affront to the standards of the game, which Chedburn himself has set. So I am covering myself from this (hopefully), and do so with respect and calmness.
[Edit]It has also been said to me that this last paragraph is a deviation from the structure and context of the rest of the post, and detracts from its credibility, as it can be taken as a threat to those who run the game. Let me please reiterate that I do not state this as a threat or mean any disrespect by this statement. I posted the last paragraph as an afterthought because I know personally of people who have posted in the forums of some sites (not necessarily TC, though at least one case was here in Torn) and had their posts deleted, not because of flaming, or breaking of any forum rules, but specifically because they were well-stated arguments against the way things were. One such person was forum banned for reposting the same post after it was deleted and then repeating these actions in effort to have his dissenting opinion heard. That is why I posted this last paragraph. It is my high hope that it is completely superfluous and that my fears are unnecessary. Nevertheless, I will take these precautions simply because I know we live in an imperfect world, where it is possible for such things to occur. I ask those in charge and those that assist them to please understand that I mean no disrespect by it.[/Edit]

Sincerely,
Romano Giovanni
(Played by Michael Hester)


Edited by: Romano_Giovanni on 10/03/08 at 9:48:43 PM





so well put


Edited by: FreeBird4EvEr on 11/03/08 at 1:20:56 AM


Best post ever.

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 16:10:03
Well folks heres the bottom line on this the best i can figure it. We need to step back in time to 2005 me being lvl 10 my first faction.
back then surrender fees where 500k to 1mil,top factions 39th, AC and sun (lots more but u get the point)
1 big faction after another would declare on me, I in turn would buy 1 or 2 dp's to pay the surrender fees(dp's sold for 500k back then btw) they would get thier money and ched would get his. now if we forward to today you can see why there is prob no hope in hell of getting peaceful factions in game as that would make it so the big factions couldnt grow anymore and ched wouldnt get the god allmighty $ with surrender fees up to 5 to 20 mil your talking $25 to $100 that ched will lose per faction or with 796 new peaceful factions that would be a loss of (at mid cost) 796x50.00=39,800 per year if they all paid once a year.
just look at all the dp's that flood the markets and irc tradingpost with each update so they can update houses and such . as i know ive spent $50.00 real cash to upgrade my house twice now but learned long ago sinking that kind of money into a free game was just f-in stupid...
as for this being a war game it isnt its a crime game that the owner and staff figured out they can make better money for them by having the big factions have their fun as all the small factions will come up with the surrender fees by buying dp's

well this is just mo

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i only bought the faction so me and some friends could
run one without constant attacks and war (they are all
newer players)...wouldnt have bought otherwise so im
with everyone else saying this deserves full refund for
faction and also upgrades paid for that i wouldve never
bought if it hadnt been for the original peace update.

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I am in agreement with the majority of people who have created new factions in the hope of remaining peaceful. High Octane Racing created a faction so that all the members of the three company branches could have one common meeting place. One common forum to help each other get better at racing. We had no interest whatsoever in the warring, and the OC element is something that we would mostly, if not all, be happy to eliminate if it meant keeping our ability to have a place to meet and talk and plan races.

Is High Octane the only group of people who have found a reason for a faction or faction-like organization that does NOT involve beating the crap out of other people on an hourly basis? We wanted medical supply closet so that we could keep racers out of the hospital. We did not want the armory, to keep putting people INTO the hospital. Doesn't this say something? Anything at all?

I am in favor of people getting their money back--AND their points, which have been spent on expanding the factions--if they want to delete their faction, on the basis that they were lured into creating it under false pretenses.
I am in favor of a limit on the number of factions that can be in a warbase.
I am in favor on SEVERE respect penalties for attacking lower level players during a chain, and limits on the difference in the amount of respect a faction can have compared to the ones that they are attacking.

I am in favor of paying the game for protection status, or initiating a game-monitored system of protection, like the new trade system, where factions may trade with each other, but this will prevent the faction from re-declaring with a game mechanic. It simply will not allow a faction to declare war on another faction that has paid them protection until that protection period is over. Like renting a house. You can decide the length of time, and the price per day, and once it is set up, the deal is FINAL.

I am in HUGELY in favor of all staff members being restricted from being in factions, other than for the purposes of testing and implementing new updates to the game. I believe that once a person becomes a staff member, they have taken on a responsibility to the game and the players of the game that may prevent them from taking part in certain aspects of the game; the same way that radio station employees cannot partake in their contests.
[Edit]I did not know that Staff and Game Administrators were two separate things. It has been brought to my attention by a staff member that he and those like himself have no fore-knowledge of the new updates and are as much at the whims of the masters of this game as the rest of us. I apologize to the staff members for my misinterpretation. I am not going to delete what I said (above this}, because my general feeling remains the same, though the direction of this feeling is cast not so much at the staff members as the Administrators, or anyone with foreknowledge of the game or means to make changes in the game that may be working to make changes to benefit specifically themselves, ie their characters. I do not know if this is happening-or if it is, who might be doing it-but I simply want to state my opinion that anyone with the ability to directly affect the game should be prohibited from doing so in a way that benefits themselves. My analogy to the radio station employees stands as an example of how this abuse of power can easily be averted.[/dit]

I am in favor of any one of more of these things being implemented, but as I see it, the HoF factions and the staff members who make up the HoF rosters will not see any of these options as something they can live with. It is all about the few, the powerful, the greedy. (Funny how the game so perfectly imitates real life!)

To that end, I can understand the opinion of those who this will benefit the most that "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen" and I can see the valid reasons for their point of view. This is a game of fighting, of war, of strife. This is a game where "safety" is a matter of having a bigger gun than the other guy, and "honor" goes only as far as your pocket book can buy. This is a game that is as close as it can be to the harshness of reality, in a darker world, where there is no police force to protect the weak, and there are no innocents. We are all criminals here in Torn City.

The problem with this is a matter of the real world encroaching on the game world. People have paid Chedburn a lot of real money in donator packs to make their factions great places for they and their friends to meet and have fun in their own ways. To train new players, to help the lower levels to get to a point where they can stand a chance against the middle-of-the-road characters--no illusions of ever being able to stand against the older players with stats in the millions. They paid, and they have been lied to, and cheated. In game terms, cheating is part of the game, and I say caveot emptor--Let The Buyer Beware. But the purchase of donator packs is a real world thing, and there MUST be some sort of accountability on Chedburn's part in regard to his actions to the people who support him with real life money. I am not talking about the characters getting screwed here; that is just in the game. I am speaking of the PLAYERS. The real world people, who paid real world money under false pretenses only to have the mirage of safety ripped away, revealing, all too late, the vast wasteland that is Chedburn's barren, emotionless agenda. He cares not one lick about any of his players, or he would listen to them and try to help.

Paypal has just this afternoon recieved 25 dollars from my bank that I was going to use to purchase FIVE donator packs for this game, so that I could put points into the faction for advancement, and sell some for my own character's benefit. I am glad that a fellow racer and honest, decent human being has showed me this forum thread before I did that, because, considering the content of this update and the disregard Chedburn has displayed for his players, I am not buying another donator pack again ever. I will use in game money, and sell everything to other players, boosting the economy of TC rather than removing money from it by selling items back to the game.

This is long, but I hope that some of you will read it.

Oh, and in case this post is too offensive to the tastes of certain people and ends up getting deleted, I have saved it to a word processor and will repost it as many times as necessary. And if I get fedded for that or forum banned, I'll just make a new character for the purpose of mailing every single player in this game personally with this. Not to make threats here, simply covering myself and letting it be known that the word of the dissenting MAJORITY will not be easily silenced. I have never made trouble for this game, though the recent dirty bomb has caused me to want very much to do so (see my profile signature for my reasons), and federal jail and deletion because I spoke my mind is an affront to the standards of the game, which Chedburn himself has set. So I am covering myself from this (hopefully), and do so with respect and calmness.
[Edit]It has also been said to me that this last paragraph is a deviation from the structure and context of the rest of the post, and detracts from its credibility, as it can be taken as a threat to those who run the game. Let me please reiterate that I do not state this as a threat or mean any disrespect by this statement. I posted the last paragraph as an afterthought because I know personally of people who have posted in the forums of some sites (not necessarily TC, though at least one case was here in Torn) and had their posts deleted, not because of flaming, or breaking of any forum rules, but specifically because they were well-stated arguments against the way things were. One such person was forum banned for reposting the same post after it was deleted and then repeating these actions in effort to have his dissenting opinion heard. That is why I posted this last paragraph. It is my high hope that it is completely superfluous and that my fears are unnecessary. Nevertheless, I will take these precautions simply because I know we live in an imperfect world, where it is possible for such things to occur. I ask those in charge and those that assist them to please understand that I mean no disrespect by it.[/Edit]

Sincerely,
Romano Giovanni
(Played by Michael Hester)


Edited by: Romano_Giovanni on 10/03/08 at 9:48:43 PM
so well put


this is pure brilliance and i really hope staff do read and understand it everything said here is obviously very well thought out and makes a very good point plus throws out some suggestions to improve. well posted FreeBIrd4EvEr


clapping.... bowing down... well said man! don't worry... if you get FORUM BANNED or FEDDED for this, Giovanni I am sure there will be more to follow you to the FED PENT. I will be one of them as well.

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Hear hear....
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I am in agreement with the majority of people who have created new factions in the hope of remaining peaceful. High Octane Racing created a faction so that all the members of the three company branches could have one common meeting place. One common forum to help each other get better at racing. We had no interest whatsoever in the warring, and the OC element is something that we would mostly, if not all, be happy to eliminate if it meant keeping our ability to have a place to meet and talk and plan races.

Is High Octane the only group of people who have found a reason for a faction or faction-like organization that does NOT involve beating the crap out of other people on an hourly basis? We wanted medical supply closet so that we could keep racers out of the hospital. We did not want the armory, to keep putting people INTO the hospital. Doesn't this say something? Anything at all?

I am in favor of people getting their money back--AND their points, which have been spent on expanding the factions--if they want to delete their faction, on the basis that they were lured into creating it under false pretenses.
I am in favor of a limit on the number of factions that can be in a warbase.
I am in favor on SEVERE respect penalties for attacking lower level players during a chain, and limits on the difference in the amount of respect a faction can have compared to the ones that they are attacking.

I am in favor of paying the game for protection status, or initiating a game-monitored system of protection, like the new trade system, where factions may trade with each other, but this will prevent the faction from re-declaring with a game mechanic. It simply will not allow a faction to declare war on another faction that has paid them protection until that protection period is over. Like renting a house. You can decide the length of time, and the price per day, and once it is set up, the deal is FINAL.

I am in HUGELY in favor of all staff members being restricted from being in factions, other than for the purposes of testing and implementing new updates to the game. I believe that once a person becomes a staff member, they have taken on a responsibility to the game and the players of the game that may prevent them from taking part in certain aspects of the game; the same way that radio station employees cannot partake in their contests.
[Edit]I did not know that Staff and Game Administrators were two separate things. It has been brought to my attention by a staff member that he and those like himself have no fore-knowledge of the new updates and are as much at the whims of the masters of this game as the rest of us. I apologize to the staff members for my misinterpretation. I am not going to delete what I said (above this}, because my general feeling remains the same, though the direction of this feeling is cast not so much at the staff members as the Administrators, or anyone with foreknowledge of the game or means to make changes in the game that may be working to make changes to benefit specifically themselves, ie their characters. I do not know if this is happening-or if it is, who might be doing it-but I simply want to state my opinion that anyone with the ability to directly affect the game should be prohibited from doing so in a way that benefits themselves. My analogy to the radio station employees stands as an example of how this abuse of power can easily be averted.[/dit]

I am in favor of any one of more of these things being implemented, but as I see it, the HoF factions and the staff members who make up the HoF rosters will not see any of these options as something they can live with. It is all about the few, the powerful, the greedy. (Funny how the game so perfectly imitates real life!)

To that end, I can understand the opinion of those who this will benefit the most that "if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen" and I can see the valid reasons for their point of view. This is a game of fighting, of war, of strife. This is a game where "safety" is a matter of having a bigger gun than the other guy, and "honor" goes only as far as your pocket book can buy. This is a game that is as close as it can be to the harshness of reality, in a darker world, where there is no police force to protect the weak, and there are no innocents. We are all criminals here in Torn City.

The problem with this is a matter of the real world encroaching on the game world. People have paid Chedburn a lot of real money in donator packs to make their factions great places for they and their friends to meet and have fun in their own ways. To train new players, to help the lower levels to get to a point where they can stand a chance against the middle-of-the-road characters--no illusions of ever being able to stand against the older players with stats in the millions. They paid, and they have been lied to, and cheated. In game terms, cheating is part of the game, and I say caveot emptor--Let The Buyer Beware. But the purchase of donator packs is a real world thing, and there MUST be some sort of accountability on Chedburn's part in regard to his actions to the people who support him with real life money. I am not talking about the characters getting screwed here; that is just in the game. I am speaking of the PLAYERS. The real world people, who paid real world money under false pretenses only to have the mirage of safety ripped away, revealing, all too late, the vast wasteland that is Chedburn's barren, emotionless agenda. He cares not one lick about any of his players, or he would listen to them and try to help.

Paypal has just this afternoon recieved 25 dollars from my bank that I was going to use to purchase FIVE donator packs for this game, so that I could put points into the faction for advancement, and sell some for my own character's benefit. I am glad that a fellow racer and honest, decent human being has showed me this forum thread before I did that, because, considering the content of this update and the disregard Chedburn has displayed for his players, I am not buying another donator pack again ever. I will use in game money, and sell everything to other players, boosting the economy of TC rather than removing money from it by selling items back to the game.

This is long, but I hope that some of you will read it.

Oh, and in case this post is too offensive to the tastes of certain people and ends up getting deleted, I have saved it to a word processor and will repost it as many times as necessary. And if I get fedded for that or forum banned, I'll just make a new character for the purpose of mailing every single player in this game personally with this. Not to make threats here, simply covering myself and letting it be known that the word of the dissenting MAJORITY will not be easily silenced. I have never made trouble for this game, though the recent dirty bomb has caused me to want very much to do so (see my profile signature for my reasons), and federal jail and deletion because I spoke my mind is an affront to the standards of the game, which Chedburn himself has set. So I am covering myself from this (hopefully), and do so with respect and calmness.
[Edit]It has also been said to me that this last paragraph is a deviation from the structure and context of the rest of the post, and detracts from its credibility, as it can be taken as a threat to those who run the game. Let me please reiterate that I do not state this as a threat or mean any disrespect by this statement. I posted the last paragraph as an afterthought because I know personally of people who have posted in the forums of some sites (not necessarily TC, though at least one case was here in Torn) and had their posts deleted, not because of flaming, or breaking of any forum rules, but specifically because they were well-stated arguments against the way things were. One such person was forum banned for reposting the same post after it was deleted and then repeating these actions in effort to have his dissenting opinion heard. That is why I posted this last paragraph. It is my high hope that it is completely superfluous and that my fears are unnecessary. Nevertheless, I will take these precautions simply because I know we live in an imperfect world, where it is possible for such things to occur. I ask those in charge and those that assist them to please understand that I mean no disrespect by it.[/Edit]

Sincerely,
Romano Giovanni
(Played by Michael Hester)


Edited by: Romano_Giovanni on 10/03/08 at 9:48:43 PM
so well put


this is pure brilliance and i really hope staff do read and understand it everything said here is obviously very well thought out and makes a very good point plus throws out some suggestions to improve. well posted FreeBIrd4EvEr


nope not me it was a copy paste from another thread on this matter heres the man that should get a standing ovation (however u spell/say it) Romano_Giovanni




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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 19:53:53
Can i ask the main reason behind this decision?

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 20:56:52
And what if you buy an already created faction.

They can say, "It has 2 months left of Peaceful Status" when it only has a few days.

What are you gonna do about that? Recredit the money? Staff needed to think this through, and actually ask the players what they wanted, otherwise we will end up leaving.

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Posted on Tue Mar 11, 2008 23:44:27
By LeukyBear [83808]
Last thread deleted as way too much flaming and silliness... I seriously don't wish to ban everyone.

Newly created factions will remain peaceful for a 3 month period - 91 days.
Declaring on other factions within this period will remove the peaceful status.
Factions will no longer be able to earn peaceful status.



seriously don't get how voicing our opinions about the update is 'silliness'.

i guess this pretty much ends the question about the 'whether or not the remove peaceful status update is a suggestion or an announcement'.. it's no longer a debatable issue. it will be implemented. it will be done. all our rants about it are just whispers in the wind.





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Posted on Wed Mar 12, 2008 01:06:31
so all the factions that are like training factions are dead... now im defiently not making one... anyway i say if people flamed bout it its because it is so unwanted and u should change it back

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Posted on Wed Mar 12, 2008 01:16:33
By hawaiian_kanak [239702]
Everyone needs to stop QQing and just live with it. How would life be if everyone was ensured safety for life? life itself would be boredom.

so shut up n play!


Then why don't you have your leaders hit the declare button and leave the peaceful status that you are so enjoying right now. Everyone would hate for you to be so bored

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Posted on Wed Mar 12, 2008 01:18:34
By LeukyBear [83808]
Last thread deleted as way too much flaming and silliness... I seriously don't wish to ban everyone.

Newly created factions will remain peaceful for a 3 month period - 91 days.
Declaring on other factions within this period will remove the peaceful status.
Factions will no longer be able to earn peaceful status.





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Posted on Wed Mar 12, 2008 01:25:02
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By LeukyBear [83808]
Last thread deleted as way too much flaming and silliness... I seriously don't wish to ban everyone.

Newly created factions will remain peaceful for a 3 month period - 91 days.
Declaring on other factions within this period will remove the peaceful status.
Factions will no longer be able to earn peaceful status.





Every one can read the original posts. You don't need to keep posting them. Especially on every thread

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Posted on Wed Mar 12, 2008 01:57:10
By Violator [313899]
First of all let me say I pretty much agree with the vast majority of these posts regarding Cheds decision. I do feel his reversal on the peaceful faction option was poorly handled and misleading in such a way as to alienate a large portion of the TC customer base. Seeing as there is little I can add on the injustice of it and little I could say that hasn't already been said, I would like to take this opportunity to instead offer up what I feel are two constructive solutions that I feel would resolve these issues in the future.

1 - Add forums and OC equivalent group activites (such as white collar crimes like tax fraud, embezzlement etc.) To companies.

One of the things Ched said was that if you are more interested in th social aspect of factions then "Thats what companies are for". Well good point, my first suggestion then is to make companies more social so that they are actually a viable alternative to factions in regards to social netwroking and group activities.

At the moment, companies are not terribly good at being social because they lack a forum or any sort of shared "sign up" activity like factions do. These features could really help because then the 796 people who want a faction that is basically social and group activity oriented could have such a thing and at the same time Factions get to keep warring away.

The issue as I see it is simple, why alienate a group of people that want a service and are unwilling or not interested in faction wars? This way both the warmongers and the social profiteers both get what they want.

2 - Stat/Level CAPS

This may not be received well but I feel it should be put forth. Frankly my argument is simple. WoW (Worlds of Warcraft) does this and it has worked well. At this point, it is apparent that the reason no one wants to compete is because they are very unlikely to ever catch their competition before they are destroyed. The way things work in this game at the moment, stat gains are exponential. As your level and property increase, the amount of stats you can gain grows immensly. This means not only do the strong get stronger, but they get stronger far faster then the younger players even if they do donate.

If peoples stats were capped then anyone could eventually reach the level where they are able to compete with other veteren players which means over time more and more people would start to have factions and compete.

For those players that feel like without any goals or stat gains they would quit or not be motivated, I would add that this has not happend in WoW which is one of the best MMORPGS in the world at the moment. People hit level 70 and their focus shifts to gear and other things. So why not do the same in TC? Offer special gear and upgrades to senior players that give them a slight edge as a reward for playing so long. If the game remains entertaining and good then players will stay for that reason alone. Not to mention more and more players would become able to compete which means that should keep players motivated at every level.

The bottom line is this, if you want more factions willing to war with each other, then you need to give them a level playing field they can earn/aspire to that is achievable.

That way competition can shift from simply outpacing younger players in terms of stat gains and money, to strategy, organized planning, and activity in the game.

This has been my constructive feed back on the matter. I won't be checking back to read replies because I don't really value arguing on the internet very much to be honest. I barely read the forums but this issue was a big one so I felt compelled to do so.

If you like my ideas, please quote this post in your post so that perhaps someone will notice and maybe even act on them.

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Edited by: Violator on 12/03/08 at 1:31:04 AM







I dont like the first one but the 2nd could work
my reason for not liking the first is the loss of 4oo plus days in my faction donw the tubes :/

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Posted on Wed Mar 12, 2008 06:38:04
I like Violator [313899]'s idea about the stat cap. Plus I am a huge fan of WoW.

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