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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 06:02:10
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By Drizzt-WW- [464713]
interesting, thing is, you don't lose your peaceful status if you attack another faction, only if you DECLARE on them |
That's different of course. My bad, if so. That would all but remove the Trojan Horses and disgruntled members as threats, but still leaves the pressuring to make a faction change it's status for respect point harvesting. That should be bad enough.
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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 14:52:30
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:) hehehe
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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 16:05:28
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By theSilence [387023]
Besides the fact that on the SURFACE, this latest Faction Update is so monstrously self-serving as to constitute 'cheating' on the part of the HOF warring faction admins, there is the fact that HIDDEN INTAGLIO (just beneath the surface) is the fact that the one thing that people are clapping like trained seals about, will prove illusionary...
...Peaceful Status..
To some of you, those who prefer to play the game more for its crime and acquisition/advancement...and less for the warring Faction aspect, 'Peaceful Status' may have seemed like a godsend.
Peaceful Status is merely a postponement of the Day of Reckoning. If the latest faction update rules remain, the eventual practice of warring factions will be to temporarily freelance some of its members as extortionists, who as 'independents' will simply beat key members of the targeted Peaceful Faction until the individuals or even the Faction itself pays an extortion fee. It the Peaceful Status Faction has enough respect, the Aggressive Faction may decide to hosp the Peaceful Faction's member base until the Peaceful Faction changes its status to Aggressive so that the warring Aggressive Faction can then step in and harvest the formerly Peaceful Faction's Respect Points.
Another thing that WILL happen if the current update remains is the popularity of 'Trojan Horse' or 'Stealth Virus' members who are really operatives of a powerful Aggressive Faction. Using a variety of methods, the 'Trojan Horse' member gains the confidence and trust of a Peaceful Faction, gets him or herself invited to join the Peaceful Faction...and sometime after the three day stricture, then attacks his or her 'real' faction, thus losing the Peaceful Status Faction its peaceful status and allowing for the harvest of its respect points and/or positioning it to pay a surrender fee.
Yet another thing that WILL happen is that the psychological environment within a Peaceful Faction will be made paranoiac through a variety of insidious methods. As it becomes commonplace for Aggressive Factions to bribe or extort Peaceful Faction members into attacking them, imagine the LEVEL OF PARANOIA within a Peaceful Faction!?! Imagine that each and every intra-faction dispute, disagreement or known or perceived jealousy will lead to the inescapable thought amongst the Peaceful Faction's leadership and advisors..."is that member so greatly alienated that he or she will NOW attack a powerful Aggressive Faction and cost us our Peaceful Status?' Think that might lead to some 'pre-emptive' kicking? You KNOW it will. Imagine the intra-faction disputes this will lead to.
So? What will this latest faction update net us, then? Look at it again...
Topic: Faction updates released
a) Factions starting respect has been changed from 100 to 250.
b) Amount of declared wars per faction have been limited to 50.
c) Faction wars have been removed, you can redeclare if you need to.
d) Chain counters have been reset, gives everyone a chance to be the new best chainer, I'm pretty sure it won't have to be reset again - so this is it.
e) A player must be in a faction for at least 3 days before they can leave or be kicked.
f) Peaceful and Aggressive status's have been added. A faction starts in Peaceful status, during this time they cannot be attacked. Once they declare on another faction, they will lose their peaceful status and can be declared on themselves. Peaceful status can also be earned by staying clear of war for a while.
g) Faction specials have been added. Vigor, Enormity, Steadfast, Gallant and Chaining can all be upgraded giving the faction members massive benefits. The upgrades can be purchased using respect, but be careful, spending too much respect could get your faction killed. Some of the benefits include up to 10% bonus to gym gains, up to 30 minutes off then you're attacked, massive crime bonus's and big nerve bar increases. A lot of these upgrades cost a lot of respect. You will be able to start using your respect once you have at least 1,000.
This update gains us as a Game NOTHING. This update amounts to an horrifically self-serving action on the part of our HOF warring faction admins. It entrenches and/or increases their advantages at every level while throwing the illusionary bone of 'Peaceful Status' to 'peaceniks' .
Sooooooooooo... You can hide out in your Peaceful Faction while the HOF warring factions metastasize into Gods with the advantages they gain in update item 'g'? You think that a 'Peaceful Status' will save you from them?
Sheep, you need to wake up from your slumber. The shepherd and the wolves are in league.
Ha.
The Shepherds are the Wolves.
Edited by: theSilence on 23/02/08 at 6:39:00 PM |
wow silence that was stupid really stupid, the peacefull status will be removed in some update theres a big difference some of this will happen but oh well the nig reckoning is when ched removes peacefull factions which he will when all factions are peacefull or looking for war.
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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 16:06:31
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you tell me how Chedburn faction is at peaceful mode. i reckon someone has hacked into the database to stop losing respect
http://www.torncity.com/factions.php?step=profile&ID=6055 |
Under the New Rules, it's as obvious that Chedburn MUST be in a Peaceful faction (if he's in ANY faction) as it is obvious that the current HOF warring faction admins belong in Peaceful factions.
NOBODY should have Administrator knowledge of Game systems and details and still yet be ALLOWED to compete with and/or war players whom do not have Administrator insider knowledge.
Knowing the specifics of Merit, Company and Faction, etc. upgrades is simply too large a competitive advantage.
Anyone with knowledge of the sort of deference in which most people approach people with greater power and knowledge- in this Game or otherwise, will inherently understand that Judges, Politicians, Administrators and so forth have NO BUSINESS being in direct competition with their constituency. |
i agree with this especially since the admins are all on the top instead of the middle or bottom.
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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 17:08:41
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By Chedburn [1]
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b) Amount of declared wars per faction have been limited to 50.
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Edited by: Chedburn on 12/02/08 at 10:22:22 PM |
All nice and beutifull exept for this... have you ever been in a decent faction Ched? IF you had you would have noticed that in a 100 factions warbase, about 40% of the targets are flying, about 2% are in fed (they arent when you declare as obvious), and there are about 20 one man factions, that they decided to give up and kick all their members...
So that leaves to chain well... Quite about nothing... In a decent chain you often have to declare another bunch of wars to get them umprepared so that you have something to chain...
50 factions seems nice... ... For a 20 man faction... a 30, 40, 50, 75, 100 man faction, wont be able to find enough targets to chain... So i would sugest that this limit was set acording to the faction size... Or make it another respect upgrade thing... For example trade an amount of rp to war another 10 factions... |
this also forces the big factions to drop useless wars, why keep them around if they are just one person there?
win for noob tactics,
why keep them on your warbase when they are nothing.
be smart and pick the people you want to extort money from, if you don't, you lose! drop the inactive 1 member faction and move on.
i can see alot of advantages for the n00b player
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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 18:15:56
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Another way of exploiting this new update may be for an Aggressive faction to simply buy 'feeder farm' Peaceful factions and either harvest their 250 respect points immediately or grow them like ants would an aphid farm. the Aggressive faction simply staffs the feeder farm factions with its own stalwart members and/or aspirants.
This will of course depend on just how beneficial the 'G' Specials are. But as warring factions traditionally spent apprx. $1,500,000 in vicodin cost alone to harvest 250 respect points, adding that to the $2,672,000 faction creation price might be quite cost-effective.
In some of the more protracted wars, where warring factions spent months taking from and losing back the same respect points, the cost to harvest 250 respect points could go in excess of $30,000,000. So a cap cost of around $5,000,000 might be worth the 250 respect. Within the 5 million dollars, I added some morphine cost because in this scenario, the dummy factions members morph out deliberately to be hit faster by the parent Aggressive faction... thus accelerating the respect point loss.
Edited by: theSilence on 24/02/08 at 6:24:44 PM
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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 19:43:53
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I love most of the new updates, this love is totally lost in the advent of Peaceful factions however.
I gotta say it...it is the stupidest update ever, I have waited to post for over a week to see how things would work out, maybe peaceful factions have its upside..I guess they do for ppl who arent very active in TC but for those of us who are very active the future of factions looks very bleak indeed.
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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 21:28:32
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I personally love the new updates. It gives all players a chance to play the game and enjoy almost everything there is to offer now.
There is a lot more to this game than just chaining. The big bully factions constantly chaining and extorting everyone else ruins the game for everyone else.
It gets kinda boring only being able to do crimes. Its nice to be able to be part of a faction and have something else to do too. There will still always be wars and ways around this, it will just slow down a bit and Im sure once some peaceful factions actually get a chance to develope a bit they will want to get involved in some wars.
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Posted on Mon Feb 25, 2008 14:35:21
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i dont think e is very good it has been extremely frustrating for me i do not think it should last
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2008 01:37:54
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For all of you who don’t like the peaceful status change lol to bad. It’s the best thing that has happened in a long long long long time. Now that this has been implemented and so many of us have put our hard earned money into this I know it will not change. I personally love being untouchable. Someone posted they will just start hosping players in peaceful faction. UM ya right with all the meds out there it would be a total waste of E. I expect to have a long happy life here in TC because of this new change.
CHED you have outdone yourself this time bro GREAT JOB!!!
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2008 01:49:53
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Anyone giving CHED any kind of congrates need a slap upside the head.
This prick keeps lying time after time.
Hunting...hey thanks for that 4 month screw job,
Peaceful faction...oh whats that you say in 5 to 7 days...well today was day 13......finallly got declared on...first time in over 2 month, by a coward who has to be a multi.
Ched can you not honor what you say????
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:02:14
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When I say Ched did a good job I mean with Peaceful Factions. All this wacked out paranoia LOL. But the proof is in the puddin puddins. And we have it made going forward To much money has already been spent to change it now.
It's to big an update to reverse.
Just like all the talk about starting TC over will never happen same as peaceful factions will never go away. There are some things once they are put in will not be removed. This is one of em.
But most of you are young pups and are just spouting off.
Personally you should just shut up play the stinking game show you have some intestinal fortitude.
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theSilence
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2008 06:47:55
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When I say Ched did a good job I mean with Peaceful Factions. All this wacked out paranoia LOL. But the proof is in the puddin puddins. And we have it made going forward To much money has already been spent to change it now.
It's to big an update to reverse.
Just like all the talk about starting TC over will never happen same as peaceful factions will never go away. There are some things once they are put in will not be removed. This is one of em.
But most of you are young pups and are just spouting off.
Personally you should just shut up play the stinking game show you have some intestinal fortitude.
Well the floor is all yours to rebuttal but here I have something for ya.
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There is not better time for this to be used then now MUHAHA hahahaaaaaaa haaah a
Now go home young pup and cry to someone who cares. |
Earlier I made the point that over nine hundred days of experience could actually be one day of experience over nine hundred times. Thanks for driving that point home, Rocko.
It's interesting that a self-serving update on the part of HOF warring admins doesn't draw more objection than it does.
As far as those who are opting for the self-castration knife of Peaceful Status...well, stranger things have happened and will likely to continue to happen.
I am just as convinced as ever that rekindled self-esteem and gnawing boredom will eventually drive people out of the Peaceful Factions and back into RealityWold.
And Peaceful Factions may never go away, but they won't last long as they now stand. At the very least, Chedburn will have to hire a clown and a pony.
Edited by: theSilence on 26/02/08 at 6:52:10 AM
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:20:38
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theSilence=one paranoid baby.
Ever see that guy that everyone tries to avoid in school or the work place because running into them will just make for a bad day. Your that person.
Leave us peace lovers alone and take your wrong thought somewhere else. Don't worry were all doing just fine.
Or at lease better then before we had peaceful factions.
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2008 14:51:18
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Ever know that person who can barely construct a sentence? That's you, Rocko. And I can see through your sad belief that it's you who avoids literates at school and the office, and not the other way around, Rocko.
'Peace-loving' is an inaccurate description for Peaceful Factions. They're less opting for Peace and more opting for non-competition.
Some of the first to form Peaceful Factions did so more because they were burnt-out on Chaining or motivating a reluctant membership to Chain. That and they were finding that they were losing more wars than the were winning.
Still yet another group of people are starting Peaceful Factions because it seems a vote of no-confidence in a current system that heavily favors an entrenched hierarchy.
Peaceful factions as they exist now simply don't have sufficient diversity or opportunity to remain viable. They'll have to be augmented to remain more than just the temporary Pouting Clubs that they are now.
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2008 21:52:46
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See while everyone goes to the other side of the room to avoid you I am the guy to walk up and say dude your wrong. You need to make sure you stick to one point you can’t have it both ways my man. Also you’re the kind of guy where we could be living in a perfect world and you will find something wrong with it, even though it’s perfect and start crap by trying to deceive others with some line of reasoning. You’re the worst of them all!
One is going to listen to your insane psycho babble, but it is a free forum so if ya want to keep spouting off feel free I like reading you crap it makes me laff.
But do me a favor don’t be like ever loser and try to say I am not smart using that as some argument. You’re talking to the Rock bro your not going to take me down your not going to hurt me with insults the more you do that the weaker you look to me.
Ok were all here waiting for your rebuttal make it a good one lol.
By the way peaceful factions are here to stay there a good thing and will all find great fun in them as we already are.
I will not speak again on this subject because I feel posting again will only lower me to num nuts level.
Go ahead num nuts check my stupidity out and while your at it can you correct my grammar as well?
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 00:40:06
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By Rock_BB_House [1017]
You need to make sure you stick to one point you can’t have it both ways my man. |
Understanding that you'd settle for the Lifetime achievement of one point, Rocko- nevertheless, some of us can make several points over the course of a post.
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Also you’re the kind of guy where we could be living in a perfect world and you will find something wrong with it, even though it’s perfect and start crap by trying to deceive others with some line of reasoning. You’re the worst of them all! |
First of all Rocko, the idea of a perfect world or 'Utopia' necessarily excludes the existence of beings unhappy with that perfect world. And to suggest that I'm trying to deceive others with my opinion that joining a Peaceful Faction will end up being a mistake is nonsense. I realize that people are joining Peaceful Factions primarily because they believe it to be a good idea. My opinion is nonetheless is that it is an abysmally assinine idea and one with pervasive developmental consequence. My line of reasoning is more that people who are joining Peaceful Factions are deceiving themselves and haven't thought through the long-term consequences. Faction Update item 'g'...
(g) Faction specials have been added. Vigor, Enormity, Steadfast, Gallant and Chaining can all be upgraded giving the faction members massive benefits. The upgrades can be purchased using respect, but be careful, spending too much respect could get your faction killed. Some of the benefits include up to 10% bonus to gym gains, up to 30 minutes off then you're attacked, massive crime bonus's and big nerve bar increases. A lot of these upgrades cost a lot of respect. You will be able to start using your respect once you have at least 1,000.
...has the long-term, insidious effect of expanding the economic control of the SuperStat Factions far beyond anything to do with mere warfare.
By Rock_BB_House [1017]One is going to listen to your insane psycho babble, but it is a free forum so if ya want to keep spouting off feel free I like reading you crap it makes me laff.
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Your definition of insanity clearly differs from the definition we use on Earth. An opinion of negative consequence is only that. Additionally, the very fact that this latest Faction Update was formed only after the very strong protest of the SuperStat Factions, and that 'g' serves the SuperStat Factions interests remarkably well, suggests that 'g' was extended to them as appeasement.
By Rock_BB_House [1017]But do me a favor don’t be like ever loser and try to say I am not smart using that as some argument. You’re talking to the Rock bro your not going to take me down your not going to hurt me with insults the more you do that the weaker you look to me.
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Just a theory here Rocko, but I think you need to ease back off of your WWF viewing hours for the time being. Talking of oneself in the third person indicates an unhealthy degree of self-involvement. If you ARE a WWF wrestler Rocko, I retract my suggestion- the persona would then have viable economic underpinnings.
| By Rock_BB_House [1017]I will not speak again on this subject because I feel posting again will only lower me to num nuts level. |
Frankly, I just don't see that happening, Rocko. At least you'll need to make oblique reference. But if you don't speak again on this subject, Congratulations in advance.
Edited by: theSilence on 27/02/08 at 12:42:51 AM
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 01:01:29
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I will say one thing and one thing only TS old friend.
Faction: N/A
You experienced the pleasure of participating in a family enviroment and had the pleasure of chaining with some of the best.
Yet you have opted to sit back now, do neither and tear at the throat of those that have decidedto play TC as they see fit.
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 01:46:04
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It's one thing to spot the many problems with this change, it's another to offer better alternatives, always looking forward to a discussion in the thread on my forum signature, maybe something will come of it, just a foregone conclusion here.
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 01:58:38
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It would seem like that Cray, old m8. The truth is actually fairly close to one you have experienced yourself- real life work schedule putting me outside my faction's general chaining hours.
It may be months yet before I can make the chaining requirement.. As soon as I can, I'm back.
That a Peaceful Faction might be a better fit for me during that time won't change my philosophical opposition to them. The fact that I find Peaceful Factions a Game capitulation makes them unpalatable.
Chaining with some of the Best is something I greatly miss. You were one of the most dedicated chainers ever and it wouldn't surprise me to see you part of an Aggressive Faction again some day.
If your commitment to Peaceful Factions is absolute, I wish you the best fortune.
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 02:39:24
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yes
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 04:32:09
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It's one thing to spot the many problems with this change, it's another to offer better alternatives, always looking forward to a discussion in the thread on my forum signature, maybe something will come of it, just a foregone conclusion here.
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f) Peaceful and Aggressive status's have been added. A faction starts in Peaceful status, during this time they cannot be attacked. Once they declare on another faction, they will lose their peaceful status and can be declared on themselves. Peaceful status can also be earned by staying clear of war for a while.
g) Faction specials have been added. Vigor, Enormity, Steadfast, Gallant and Chaining can all be upgraded giving the faction members massive benefits. The upgrades can be purchased using respect, but be careful, spending too much respect could get your faction killed. Some of the benefits include up to 10% bonus to gym gains, up to 30 minutes off then you're attacked, massive crime bonus's and big nerve bar increases. A lot of these upgrades cost a lot of respect. You will be able to start using your respect once you have at least 1,000.
IN OF itself, 'f' seemed a great new addition with tremendous promise. It was the sneaky addition of the massive benefits of 'g' that made all other options 'lesser choices'.
If 'f' could be expanded with anything near the 'massive benefits' of 'g', Game Parity would greatly improve.
I'm willing to take a look at anything that moves towards that idea, and will offer such suggestions as I can.
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 06:07:50
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I love the changes!!
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 07:45:54
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even me!!! lmao
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 16:00:37
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thnx for thinking of us,that is faction leaders and members
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 16:39:57
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Thanks for the info
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:35:22
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:) nice
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 19:32:35
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cool keep us up to date on the updates!:)
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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2008 04:11:09
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I agree with Rock the man knows what he is talking about. Plus everthing he said about theSilence you can see is true. Read what that dude wrote. Dude I mean come on its a game, you must be crush in real. Rock on rocko
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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2008 06:06:30
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By Lost_Boys [596724]
I agree with Rock the man knows what he is talking about. Plus everthing he said about theSilence you can see is true. Read what that dude wrote. Dude I mean come on its a game, you must be crush in real. Rock on rocko |
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