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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 20:48:45
I suggest at least once a day everyone of us opens HOF faction's userlist and hospitalizes the highest level he can. We are not as weak as they are trying to convince us.

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 21:02:51
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I suggest at least once a day everyone of us opens HOF faction's userlist and hospitalizes the highest level he can. We are not as weak as they are trying to convince us.


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Smaga, were you posting from the Hosp or was the Hosping after your post?

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 21:03:09
And one thing more... to support theSilenceĀ“s theory: the update on that the biggest factions (with more respect) gainned small amounts of respect when attacking small factions.

That update made more sense than this new...and what happenned? it was removed...why? because HoF couldnĀ“t explore anymore the small factions trying to make their own way?

Why not use this idea with this bunch of new ones in this new update?

Like in real life...the gap between big, rich and powerful and the poor ones increases...we just can survive in the middle of it.

So what do you people think about it? I think i have a little reason on this, but i can be totally wrong, so: opinions!

Absolutely right.The small faction and Big faction can live.Middle standard will be lose.I don't like this update.

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 21:12:20
i think factions are taking the points people have raised about the biased democracy.... they have decided to keep their factions in hinding so they are unable to be attacked.....

.... i believe that "bigger" factions will strike against this and start whining about them having a limited war base.....this will cause ched to remove the peaceful feature....not disrespecting him in anyway but i feel that he should take the "smaller" factions opinions and where they stand into more consideration....

....we all know that if the "bigger" factions dont agree with the updates they will strike and threat to quit....i say let them...anyone can threaten to quit so what makes them any different?...these members can easily be replaced in my views....

....i cant help but feel that this is just becoming like the North-Side divide in Italy...

....the "bigger" factions are in milan with the Mezzogiorno divide right where ched is sitting.... while people like me are stuck in Naples....

...another example i can give you is while we are getting stronger and walking up steps...the big guns are getting stronger quicker as they are riding the escalator....

i hope these points make sence...and if you disagree feel free to mail me

Doesnt this new mission conclude this? where are the missions for the new players? quite frankly...something needs to be done to even this out as this is just one way traffic

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Edited by: Scott69 on 19/02/08 at 9:41:41 PM

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 21:19:11
i might even join a faction now lmao!

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 23:02:12
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Smaga, were you posting from the Hosp or was the Hosping after your post?

He's constantly in hospital))) And all our faction was untill we had no choice than to leave and search for better place.

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 23:04:43
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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 23:38:57
this is really kool i like dis

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Posted on Wed Feb 20, 2008 00:30:51
:@ [b][/b] hey im bye im shy

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Posted on Wed Feb 20, 2008 07:44:06
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i think factions are taking the points people have raised about the biased democracy.... they have decided to keep their factions in hinding so they are unable to be attacked.....

.... i believe that "bigger" factions will strike against this and start whining about them having a limited war base.....this will cause ched to remove the peaceful feature....not disrespecting him in anyway but i feel that he should take the "smaller" factions opinions and where they stand into more consideration....

....we all know that if the "bigger" factions dont agree with the updates they will strike and threat to quit....i say let them...anyone can threaten to quit so what makes them any different?...these members can easily be replaced in my views....

....i cant help but feel that this is just becoming like the North-Side divide in Italy...

....the "bigger" factions are in milan with the Mezzogiorno divide right where ched is sitting.... while people like me are stuck in Naples....

...another example i can give you is while we are getting stronger and walking up steps...the big guns are getting stronger quicker as they are riding the escalator....

i hope these points make sence...and if you disagree feel free to mail me

Doesnt this new mission conclude this? where are the missions for the new players? quite frankly...something needs to be done to even this out as this is just one way traffic

~Scott69~


Edited by: Scott69 on 19/02/08 at 9:41:41 PM


everyone knows that ive been saying that for a week i think ched already knows and so does HOF this is temporary to increase faction numbers, theres already countless peacefull factions, when the current ones die off theyll be alot more targets that have more respect saved up on OC's to give HOF more wars in some future update.


Edited by: RadicalFanatic on 20/02/08 at 7:54:30 AM

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Posted on Wed Feb 20, 2008 07:45:28
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thank u[/quote

my guess HOF mullti woo!]

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Posted on Wed Feb 20, 2008 13:17:47
all good apart from g

the HOF factions getting everything again
they only 1s who can afford them things
alot of crap

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Posted on Wed Feb 20, 2008 13:50:58
I personally agree with Scott69 [310440] on the point that there seemed to be a North-South divide like in the Italy or the world. The top factions are getting better and better, with many benefits, though less factions to war on as claimed. Thus, the gap between the Strong and the Weak will widen.

And it is not easy for a new gang to get to 1000 respect to use their respect. 750 Abductions? Or many other OCs? That still take a few months or even years. By then, those existing top factions have already upgraded a lot using their respects.


Edited by: silver_knight on 20/02/08 at 2:56:29 PM

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Posted on Thu Feb 21, 2008 09:54:17
you tell me how Chedburn faction is at peaceful mode. i reckon someone has hacked into the database to stop losing respect

http://www.torncity.com/factions.php?step=profile&ID=6055

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Posted on Thu Feb 21, 2008 09:58:01
How does that even matter?

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Posted on Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:17:13
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you tell me how Chedburn faction is at peaceful mode. i reckon someone has hacked into the database to stop losing respect

http://www.torncity.com/factions.php?step=profile&ID=6055


Under the New Rules, it's as obvious that Chedburn MUST be in a Peaceful faction (if he's in ANY faction) as it is obvious that the current HOF warring faction admins belong in Peaceful factions.

NOBODY should have Administrator knowledge of Game systems and details and still yet be ALLOWED to compete with and/or war players whom do not have Administrator insider knowledge.

Knowing the specifics of Merit, Company and Faction, etc. upgrades is simply too large a competitive advantage.

Anyone with knowledge of the sort of deference in which most people approach people with greater power and knowledge- in this Game or otherwise, will inherently understand that Judges, Politicians, Administrators and so forth have NO BUSINESS being in direct competition with their constituency.

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Posted on Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:52:18
interesting

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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2008 01:07:25
I have level 30,s and 40's attacking level 3 to take respect from the faction. LOL ya this was a great change.

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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2008 02:35:05
If a small faction is always being declared on, but they wish to be peaceful, how can that happen? What happens if they do not declare on anyone and do not attack anyone? Will they eventually achieve Peaceful status? And if so, how long roughly will this take?

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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2008 02:46:10
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Only new factions start with peaceful status, others will have to earn it by not being declared on and not declaring.



Sorry, but this is possibly the MOST stupid thing I have heard of in this game. When a small faction is being declared on by the large factions just cos they want some nice little targets for their chains, why is it that they have to avoid being declared on by other factions? It is not possible - only the bigger factions have a chance of not being declared on, cos people are scared of them. The smaller ones will always be targets and will never have the chance of obtaining a Peaceful status. In my opinion, TC has just killed most factions by this ludicrous decision!!

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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2008 03:30:23
i've never declared a war in my factions life and I'm considered aggressive. It's been a week since the update with no declares and I was still aggressive. Then some faction just declared on us. What is the point of this? How many weeks do you have to avoid the radar to ever achieve peaceful status?

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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2008 04:49:48
Nice!!!

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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2008 16:56:23
I wanna join any fraction!:*

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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2008 16:59:08
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Edited by: Hydr0 on 23/02/08 at 6:00:08 PM

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Posted on Fri Feb 22, 2008 20:12:53
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How many weeks do you have to avoid the radar to ever achieve peaceful status?

I suppose you should say good-bye to your faction.

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Posted on Sat Feb 23, 2008 05:32:33
i love this new thing where you cant be declared on if you are a peacefull faction. reminds me of the old days

Lucasm's Bazaar is open for business... selling....weapons /armour /misc /etc..... check it out and see my awsome prices for you
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Posted on Sat Feb 23, 2008 18:19:35


Besides the fact that on the SURFACE, this latest Faction Update is so monstrously self-serving as to constitute 'cheating' on the part of the HOF warring faction admins, there is the fact that HIDDEN INTAGLIO (just beneath the surface) is the fact that the one thing that people are clapping like trained seals about, will prove illusionary...

...Peaceful Status..

To some of you, those who prefer to play the game more for its crime and acquisition/advancement...and less for the warring Faction aspect, 'Peaceful Status' may have seemed like a godsend.

Peaceful Status is merely a postponement of the Day of Reckoning. If the latest faction update rules remain, the eventual practice of warring factions will be to temporarily freelance some of its members as extortionists, who as 'independents' will simply beat key members of the targeted Peaceful Faction until the individuals or even the Faction itself pays an extortion fee. It the Peaceful Status Faction has enough respect, the Aggressive Faction may decide to hosp the Peaceful Faction's member base until the Peaceful Faction changes its status to Aggressive so that the warring Aggressive Faction can then step in and harvest the formerly Peaceful Faction's Respect Points.

Another thing that WILL happen if the current update remains is the popularity of 'Trojan Horse' or 'Stealth Virus' members who are really operatives of a powerful Aggressive Faction. Using a variety of methods, the 'Trojan Horse' member gains the confidence and trust of a Peaceful Faction, gets him or herself invited to join the Peaceful Faction...and sometime after the three day stricture, then attacks his or her 'real' faction, thus losing the Peaceful Status Faction its peaceful status and allowing for the harvest of its respect points and/or positioning it to pay a surrender fee.

Yet another thing that WILL happen is that the psychological environment within a Peaceful Faction will be made paranoiac through a variety of insidious methods. As it becomes commonplace for Aggressive Factions to bribe or extort Peaceful Faction members into attacking them, imagine the LEVEL OF PARANOIA within a Peaceful Faction!?! Imagine that each and every intra-faction dispute, disagreement or known or perceived jealousy will lead to the inescapable thought amongst the Peaceful Faction's leadership and advisors..."is that member so greatly alienated that he or she will NOW attack a powerful Aggressive Faction and cost us our Peaceful Status?' Think that might lead to some 'pre-emptive' kicking? You KNOW it will. Imagine the intra-faction disputes this will lead to.

So? What will this latest faction update net us, then? Look at it again...

Topic: Faction updates released
a) Factions starting respect has been changed from 100 to 250.
b) Amount of declared wars per faction have been limited to 50.
c) Faction wars have been removed, you can redeclare if you need to.
d) Chain counters have been reset, gives everyone a chance to be the new best chainer, I'm pretty sure it won't have to be reset again - so this is it.
e) A player must be in a faction for at least 3 days before they can leave or be kicked.
f) Peaceful and Aggressive status's have been added. A faction starts in Peaceful status, during this time they cannot be attacked. Once they declare on another faction, they will lose their peaceful status and can be declared on themselves. Peaceful status can also be earned by staying clear of war for a while.
g) Faction specials have been added. Vigor, Enormity, Steadfast, Gallant and Chaining can all be upgraded giving the faction members massive benefits. The upgrades can be purchased using respect, but be careful, spending too much respect could get your faction killed. Some of the benefits include up to 10% bonus to gym gains, up to 30 minutes off then you're attacked, massive crime bonus's and big nerve bar increases. A lot of these upgrades cost a lot of respect. You will be able to start using your respect once you have at least 1,000.


This update gains us as a Game NOTHING. This update amounts to an horrifically self-serving action on the part of our HOF warring faction admins. It entrenches and/or increases their advantages at every level while throwing the illusionary bone of 'Peaceful Status' to 'peaceniks' .

Sooooooooooo... You can hide out in your Peaceful Faction while the HOF warring factions metastasize into Gods with the advantages they gain in update item 'g'? You think that a 'Peaceful Status' will save you from them?

Sheep, you need to wake up from your slumber. The shepherd and the wolves are in league.

Ha.

The Shepherds are the Wolves.





Edited by: theSilence on 23/02/08 at 6:39:00 PM

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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 02:41:43
interesting, thing is, you don't lose your peaceful status if you attack another faction, only if you DECLARE on them

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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 02:43:14
sorry double post


Edited by: Drizzt-WW- on 24/02/08 at 2:43:50 AM

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Posted on Sun Feb 24, 2008 05:54:31
Actually Silence, you can't lose your peaceful status by attacking someone. You faction needs to declare war to become aggressive, which only the higher-ups can do...

One kind of exploit I see though is that if a faction attacks a smaller faction, the smaller faction can retaliate by refusing to surrender/accept surrender thus keeping the other faction in aggressive mode and open to attack from bigger factions.

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