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Posted on Sun Feb 17, 2008 19:09:18
*aggrees with teh biccy*

i remember thinking i was awsome with my chainsaw, magnum and aug super combo

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Posted on Sun Feb 17, 2008 19:16:59
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i wish it where true they had 1 month banking for ages which means they got 3 times as rich

yea riigth with a bank cap on 5 mill giving a huge 2.5 mill a month lol

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Posted on Sun Feb 17, 2008 20:07:59
ah the good ole days

i think RadicalFanatic and a few other newer players to dig a lil deeper into tc history before giving us ole timers in tc a hard time over everything we have acheived and stop looking for an easy ride.


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Posted on Sun Feb 17, 2008 20:34:20
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ah the good ole days

i think RadicalFanatic and a few other newer players to dig a lil deeper into tc history before giving us ole timers in tc a hard time over everything we have acheived and stop looking for an easy ride.


i was here in the good old days then dissapered for a year >.>

oh and wheres my free handout? the one i was suppose to get from some rich player??? guess i missed the event.(doesnt work like that unless your a girl)

the fact remains the good old days where easy, and talking about luxurys you earned? well we earn them to it just takes us way longer, and i guess since it takes 3x+ as long its easier guess im not a mathmatican like you.


Edited by: RadicalFanatic on 17/02/08 at 8:39:40 PM

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Posted on Sun Feb 17, 2008 20:39:19
all the other additions r sick apart from E, thats just not right, what if a faction is dying in 1 dya, and the only way to stay alive is to kick the poeple pout that have just joined?

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Posted on Sun Feb 17, 2008 23:35:08
cool!!!

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 03:11:38
wow i like the sound of the last one i must join a faction now...good job ched

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 05:43:17
yeah i guess i agree with that stuff i think by easy i meant levelling up and junk but u guys make a good point

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:48:14
very interesting.. thz to Chedburn

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 15:13:11
FFS. Stop bitchin' and get on with it. I've been here 900 days and yes it was hard blah blah blah but you only get out what you put in. Advice for noobs, stop begging and get earning. I remember all i used to do was buy and sell for the 1st 6 months even if only to mak a measly few hundred $$$ the only people who will mug you or probably players who are a little higher up the food chain not players from the good old days as you seem to put it....

I see some of you shacked up in pretty decent houses now - Do you have any idea how hard it was to save to get a decent house!!! oooh and there was no rental properties!!!

PS anyone want to rent a castle 1800 HAP $10M 30 days

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 16:40:46
this is one of the reasons i love ched

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 17:04:52
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FFS. Stop bitchin' and get on with it. I've been here 900 days and yes it was hard blah blah blah but you only get out what you put in. Advice for noobs, stop begging and get earning. I remember all i used to do was buy and sell for the 1st 6 months even if only to mak a measly few hundred $$$ the only people who will mug you or probably players who are a little higher up the food chain not players from the good old days as you seem to put it....

I see some of you shacked up in pretty decent houses now - Do you have any idea how hard it was to save to get a decent house!!! oooh and there was no rental properties!!!

PS anyone want to rent a castle 1800 HAP $10M 30 days


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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 18:27:40
I like the Idea of a Pease/Aggressive part of factions...
only 1 problem I have with it...
Faction A:
Aggressive.
Faction B:
Peaceful.

Individual members of Faction B attack members of faction A for the sake of doing it.. Faction A cannot declair war on faction B because they are peaceful..

Just a simple thought there.. I do like the changes tho.. I just can see issues in the long/short term...
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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 18:41:36
The whole thing seems designed to kill off the older factions other then the HoF ones. Great you can start a new one with more respect, but how does that benefit the factions that have been a round for a couple of years?

The changes are forcing the HoF factions to declare on a much smaller pool of factions, this is going to cause most of them to dissappear fairly quickly, certainly more quickly than before the updates.

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 19:19:36
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The whole thing seems designed to kill off the older factions other then the HoF ones. Great you can start a new one with more respect, but how does that benefit the factions that have been a round for a couple of years?

The changes are forcing the HoF factions to declare on a much smaller pool of factions, this is going to cause most of them to dissappear fairly quickly, certainly more quickly than before the updates.


no the same pool is still around, theyll die even slower due to the 50 war limit, the olny thing is now noobs dont have to be forced to fight HOF only difference.

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 19:30:43
By Mr_Bojangles [131611]
FFS. Stop bitchin' and get on with it. I've been here 900 days and yes it was hard blah blah blah but you only get out what you put in. Advice for noobs, stop begging and get earning. I remember all i used to do was buy and sell for the 1st 6 months even if only to mak a measly few hundred $$$ the only people who will mug you or probably players who are a little higher up the food chain not players from the good old days as you seem to put it....

I see some of you shacked up in pretty decent houses now - Do you have any idea how hard it was to save to get a decent house!!! oooh and there was no rental properties!!!

PS anyone want to rent a castle 1800 HAP $10M 30 days


This guy doesn't have over nine hundred days of experience...he has ONE DAY of experience over nine hundred times.

You really have to shake your head in mystification at these utter cretins who immediately get on their "we used to have to walk eight miles through the snow to school, uphill...BOTH ways" tricycle.

K. Look Retards, the fact that YOU were stupid enough to tolerate utter nonsense from a gaming environment back in the Day, certainly DOES NOT mean that utter nonsense SHOULD be tolerated.

We're sorry you were and ARE Stupid, already.

Just because you OGs, our remote forebearers... walked on your knuckles AND didn't bitch back in the Stone Age... won't mean that those of us born to Civilization will want to walk on OUR knuckles, got it? In fact, for the rest of us, who can see how hard this new evil update sucks, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to voice our opinion.

I'm the same sorry Torn City addict most of us are. Or I'd of walked away the FIRST time Chedburn did something horrifically stupid, much less the 100th time.

But recognizing that I am a Torn City addict (don't kid yourselves, you are TOO), I feel it NECESSARY to object to anything I see primarily in the interest of the same group whos purposes we see INCREASINGLY represented...that is, since the admins formed their HOF warring faction admin group.

If you're going to be spending time in this Game, stop splaying for the Administration and start letting them know how obvious it is that this latest faction update will further unbalance the Game. The fact that it further unbalances the Game in favor of HOF warring faction admins is COMPLETELY wrong, immoral and intolerable.


Edited by: theSilence on 18/02/08 at 7:33:01 PM


Edited by: theSilence on 19/02/08 at 10:40:36 AM

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 20:02:46
theSilence Respect to You.

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 21:15:16
hi everybody. how are you doing?

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Posted on Mon Feb 18, 2008 22:31:28
theSilence - Great post man, 100% agree.

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 02:15:52
This is a very nice change now most players wont worry about joining a faction.

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 03:08:13
I've heard that if you are part of a peacefull faction and you personally attack some one that will change the status of the faction to aggressive. Is this a fact.

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 05:17:57
im pretty sure thats not right coz i've attacked other people since this has happened and my faction is still peaceful so yeah I'm pretty sure it's only when u declare war

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 09:53:17
Wow silence you said it all there. ched said "He could do better" and he wouldnt be able to please everyone in torncity with the faction updates. at Least He has done somthing for the poor knuckle dragging HOF`ers from our past.

Lets face it they had a hard time when they started and to get there factions to were they are today they have had to crush alot on peoples dreams mainly people who cant fight back and i think they should be rewarded with wonderfull updates like dirty bombs and the new faction respect thingy`s.

What did the rest of Torncity get Peaceful factions. were we cant fight anyone just do OC crimes till were board to tears. then when we think we want to be agressive.

then comes The imposable wars the ones you cannot fight The mighty noob crushing armys of the HOF. thats it faction over.

Not even 0.001% of chance of winning any of the battles, or even being able to do one attack back!!!! well done ched u sold the rest of us up the river, but im glad the HOF are happy as they will be the only ones left them and peacefull factions.

PS i need more wars i cannot win as i want to grow my hair long and start a peace full movement faction, when my useless war faction has been raped. again

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:25:12
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Sounds even better for peaceful factions!--which I hope to be a part of
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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:22:45
cool man this is so cool i enjoy the newly updates that have been made but could you make some more:*

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:00:42

My disgruntlement but grows.

HOF warring faction admins represent BETRAYAL OF PLAYER TRUST and ADMIN ABUSE OF POWER on a staggeringly gargantuan scale.

Or is it perhaps a misunderstanding of the Rest of us, those of us who assumed that administrators SERVED the Game, and not that the Game served administrators?


Let's briefly re-visit Chedburn's inaugural post on the latest faction update:



Topic: Faction updates released
a) Factions starting respect has been changed from 100 to 250.
b) Amount of declared wars per faction have been limited to 50.
c) Faction wars have been removed, you can redeclare if you need to.
d) Chain counters have been reset, gives everyone a chance to be the new best chainer, I'm pretty sure it won't have to be reset again - so this is it.
e) A player must be in a faction for at least 3 days before they can leave or be kicked.
f) Peaceful and Aggressive status's have been added. A faction starts in Peaceful status, during this time they cannot be attacked. Once they declare on another faction, they will lose their peaceful status and can be declared on themselves. Peaceful status can also be earned by staying clear of war for a while.
g) Faction specials have been added. Vigor, Enormity, Steadfast, Gallant and Chaining can all be upgraded giving the faction members massive benefits. The upgrades can be purchased using respect, but be careful, spending too much respect could get your faction killed. Some of the benefits include up to 10% bonus to gym gains, up to 30 minutes off then you're attacked, massive crime bonus's and big nerve bar increases. A lot of these upgrades cost a lot of respect. You will be able to start using your respect once you have at least 1,000.




Now, let's take a look at TWO of the biggest beneficiaries of the Faction Update- who are also not coincidently the two biggest INTENDED BENEFICIARIES of this Update. Let's take a look at just some of their key data, shall we? Notice DV's -Clansdancer on 'loan' to HT. In case some of you STILL haven't yet figured out who's pulling the strings in this faction latest update, FIRST notice that HT and DV are on sufficiently friendly terms to loan members (-Clansdancer) on an ad hoc basis. I am correct that -Clansdancer is NOT Norwegian, yes?

SECOND, notice how far the new Faction specials have already been advanced...


HT

Leader: HT-Jallabrev
Co-Leader: HT-Bar00n
Members: 74
Respect: 64056
Best chain: 1204 members
Status: Aggressive
War mode: In war
Steadfast: VI
Gallant: II
Enormity: II
Chaining: IV


Num Name Level Days in Faction
1 HT-Dirtydog 57 114
2 -Clansdancer 48 1
3 HT-Gargoyle 45 16
4 -Mike- 44 14
6 kontravass 44 1
7 HT-Supermikk 44 98
8 HT-Cannavaro 44 77
9 HT_HAUKEN_ 42 112
10 ElBa 42 27


DV

Leader: Unicron
Co-Leader: Lord3Infamous6
Members: 46
Respect: 50624
Best chain: 209 members
Status: Aggressive
War mode: In war
Steadfast: VI
Chaining: II


Num Name Level Days in Faction
1 is0lati0n 59 104
2 LFC 57 1
3 wolfeh 52 74
4 Unicron 51 594
5 ---RAWR--- 50 1
6 ---stone--- 49 218
7 iSsUeS 47 9
8 ced 46 7
9 Fistandantilus 43 133
10 Tonk 43 4

Now, SAY AGAIN to yourself that the Faction specials from this update will...'give the faction members MASSIVE BENEFITS.

Spend a moment to reflect on just what...'Some of the benefits include up to 10% bonus to gym gains, up to 30 minutes off then you're attacked, massive crime bonus's and big nerve bar increases'...will mean to the rest of us who DO NOT HAVE THEM and will in fact likely NEVER have them, or at least not in such significant measure as the SuperStat Factions will, and- to an alarmingly degree, ALREADY DO- HAVE THEM.

Ironically, (and those familiar with Norse Mythology might find this sardonic) Update item 'g' amounts to the de facto creation of a 'Bifrost' for the Torn City. To those of you not familiar with Bifröst...



Bifröst is in Norse mythology the bridge leading from the realm of mortals, Midgard, to the realm of the gods, Asgard, which the Gods travel daily to hold their councils and pass judgments at Urdarbrunn (Well of Urd) under the shade of the tree Yggdrasill.


If you're STILL following along, and have already figured out that the Torn City's new Bifröst CAN ONLY be used by the Asgardian Gods to travel back and forth to Midgard, and not by the Midgardians (i.e.:everyone but the SuperStat factions) to visit Asgard, then you win the Bonus Cookie.

Whatever chance the rest of us had to band together and 'Storm Asgard'... was removed with Update item...

e) A player must be in a faction for at least 3 days before they can leave or be kicked.

Item 'e' is SOLELY to remove the slight and temporary challenge to Asgardian rule that PISSED OFF assorted maverick SuperPlayers might band together and 'guest chain' them. Notice how cleverly the Asgardian SuperStat factions have written into the rules what is essentially a Three-Day Notice of intent to annoy them?

PISSED yet?!? You SHOULD BE.


Edited by: theSilence on 19/02/08 at 12:13:17 PM

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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:55:53
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My disgruntlement but grows.
HOF warring faction admins represent BETRAYAL OF PLAYER TRUST and ADMIN ABUSE OF POWER on a staggeringly gargantuan scale.......

...Three-Day Notice of intent to annoy them?

PISSED yet?!? You SHOULD BE.


All that you have said makes sense! And for most of the TC community who seem to be nothing more then sheep bahing their praises of these upgrades, it hasn't hit home as yet! For the select few of us who have and do see what is going on this spells death for our non-super stat factions. It may not be today or even tomorrow but it will happen! For some of us who do see what is actually happening the upgrades have little or no benefits (other then peaceful status) for our factions! And even fewer still really could care less about super stat factions, aside from wishing them to stay on their side of the sand box! Fact being that someone like me, who is only 260+ days old in no way could possibly catch up to or even surpass members of those "Asgard" factions, and not really having a desire to.

Having voiced that I have no wish to catch up to, take on, war with, or even know members of those faction... it is all moot! There really is no point in voicing your opinion in the forum, as in my experience- both in r/l and game- it will in no way make any difference at all! The staff members of the super stat faction have and will continue to run the game to their benefit! And in the end the only thing there is to smile about is the fact that when TC fualters (and it will, due to the staff behaving as they do) there will be very few players left who do log in and play! The super stat factions will then be forced to turn on one another in their eternal strive to be the best! It is repeated threwout history, and sure this is nothing more then a game, it is played by people! And with anything that involves the human being it will never be completely non-baised. Everyone has views, personal beliefs, feelings... and all that and more is brought into the game there by creating in fact a realty of it's own! Even though it isn't an actual place that can be found on map or have a specific geographical location matters not at all! The history of past civilisations/cultures will repeat itself in TC! There by bringing about it's own downfall.

There is no quick fix to this ever growing problem! Too many problems exist! The best that owners of small non-super stat factions like mine can hope for is to remain in the shadows. Moving unseen and enjoying the game while it last! I do get some amuzement out of the all that I see going on and the fact that it will come back to bite these players in arse! I have seen it time and agian (both in r/l and game) it will happen, it may not be any time in the near future but it will happen.....
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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 14:28:40
And one thing more... to support theSilence´s theory: the update on that the biggest factions (with more respect) gainned small amounts of respect when attacking small factions.

That update made more sense than this new...and what happenned? it was removed...why? because HoF couldn´t explore anymore the small factions trying to make their own way?

Why not use this idea with this bunch of new ones in this new update?

Like in real life...the gap between big, rich and powerful and the poor ones increases...we just can survive in the middle of it.

So what do you people think about it? I think i have a little reason on this, but i can be totally wrong, so: opinions!



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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 17:32:21
agreed, im not even go to try to add much to these last few posts. i 100% agree. these are great updates in principle but like so many enable the powerful to stay powerful and the weak stay weak. if the un-updated addition was still in effect i would see some balance to factions wars but there is non.

I was told a while ago by one HoF faction

"come on, you dont have the resources to fight us, so just pay up".

how right they where...

DW


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Posted on Tue Feb 19, 2008 19:38:02
thank u

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