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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:56:04
Well i actually liked the update V 1.2 (less respect taken from lower faction, with retaliation allowed), looking forward the update V 2.1 now

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:58:31
As a game designer (or if I were in Chad's position), I'm guessing I would have goals:
1) Implement friendly features to help the new players get into the game, and avoid a condition where there is a lack of new players coming in (kills potential revenue and growth).
2) Avoid peeving the hardcore players off (kills existing revenue).

Guess I'll post some suggestions up.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:00:56
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:04:48
ahhhhhaaaaa aaashhhhhaaaaa soooii sexy

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:07:49
I like it how it is, Grats on finally making a good decision on a major topic regarding factions and chains.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:08:59
really don't know why factions are so bothered about respect anyway. I mean look at HT, ingame they have 150k so called respect. And I have more respect for something I just stepped in than them, in reality.


Edit - In fact even less respect now after all the crying that was done over the previous update. OK smacktalk over I shall patiently await my hosp hehe.



Edited by: HammerHeart on 05/02/08 at 4:11:17 PM

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:16:26
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Excellent, Mikk will stop crying in his cornflakes now lol.



Hehe.

Well done ched

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:19:10
You know I love ya really Mikk

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:44:52
Again >.>

http://www.torncity.com/forums.php?forumID=4&ID=2207528

btw, I hope the removal of the other part is for the BETTER, as I really liked the change...

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:47:34
Starting a new faction has been nearly impossible for ages now, how about making changes to benefit the small factions instead.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:50:04
Lol, wow? At least all of this is a step in the right direction. Hopefully both sides win and factions become a part of the game for newbs now...

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:56:12
So this is proof that pissing and whining really does pay off ! Very f**king nice ! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH !!

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:57:23
lol, well i thought it was an interesting update, right idea but obviously upset a few people. look forward to the revised idea to address this issue.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:00:05
awsome. kool

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:02:49
SHAME!

I think a faction with 17,000 respect warring a faction with 100 respect should gain little / no benefit from the war

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:06:27
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Edited by: wolfeh on 05/02/08 at 3:37:57 PM



Hopin for the best:D
Our faction still deasd though,...:(

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:09:48
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Edited by: wolfeh on 05/02/08 at 3:37:57 PM


GREAT SUCCESS!!!

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:15:40
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Same update but to level, not respect.

If a level 40 attack a level 10 then the respect is 4 times lower then a level 40 attack a 40 level.

Or make a formula that involves level, offences, days, something like that to make it fair!


That is already how it works. Attacking lower levels will always gain less respect.


Yes, i know.

My suggestion was to make it more efficient. If the respect gain is not worthed that the high levels won't hit low levels.

The respect has nothing to do with it, imagine two factions, both with 20 to 30 level members, but one with 5000 respect and the other with 1000, why should the one that try harder be penalized if it's hitting someone of the same size?


There is one huge point you are completely missing. A faction made up of all lvl 20+ members with 500k+ stats, declaring war on lvl 10 members with only between 10k-20k stats. This is the huge issue that you HOF players seem to be forgetting.

Question is how can you protect the little guys from getting declared on by the bigger guys, and have no chance of survivability.


A gaussian curve needs to be set up, that takes into account of stats, average faction stat and standard deviation, account lvl, average faction level and standard deviation, and respect.
where the 2 faction that war each other that are similar in all the stats will gain the most respect from each other, while 2 faction with very dis-similar in all the stats will gain or lose very little respect.


This means that a faction with lots of respect wars a faction with little respect or little stats. Both sides will gain little respect or lose little respect.

This should prevent both top feeding and bottom feeding.


A second option is putting a weighting scale in your equation where the scale is 0-1 or 0%-100%. If two faction have very similar in all stats. You can have a weighting scale of 1, which means you get 100% of the calculated respect gain.

If the two factions are dissimilar in stats, then the scaling can go as low as 1 or 1%, which means both factions can gain or lose 1% of the respect that can be gained or loss.



Edited by: Phrexis on 05/02/08 at 5:23:07 PM

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:21:03
My first impression of yesterday update was positive because I thought it would apply only very low respect faction vs. HoF range respect but after hearing faction with 50k respect chaining 10k faction and been penalized so much respect gains was certainly unfair.

However it sounds like death sentence to small factions to remove respect change BUT leave overnite chaining update. Guess active & high level players who rather be a part of smaller team than HoF will no longer have privilege to be a member of faction. Thanks and good work.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:24:13
i think issue about respect already enough with see player level.
no need to see faction respect.
so if high level attack low level, they get less respect which now already running.

or if you want even better, use battle stats.
coz with level there is some people hold level. but with battle stats, they can't hide it.



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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:25:56
You should make it that a faction like HT can't declare war on a faction like mine (just me in it) and legitimately take respect from me!

There is no way that is fair. You should just do it that if a faction is under 200 respect, and another is over 1000 or something, then they cannot war each other, unless the lower one instigates it.

There should be a protection for lower factions from higher ones, but not ones at a similar level.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:34:45
its a shame that torncity has bowed down to HOF pressure.. a good update spoiled

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:45:42
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Same update but to level, not respect.

If a level 40 attack a level 10 then the respect is 4 times lower then a level 40 attack a 40 level.

Or make a formula that involves level, offences, days, something like that to make it fair!


That is already how it works. Attacking lower levels will always gain less respect.


Yes, i know.

My suggestion was to make it more efficient. If the respect gain is not worthed that the high levels won't hit low levels.

The respect has nothing to do with it, imagine two factions, both with 20 to 30 level members, but one with 5000 respect and the other with 1000, why should the one that try harder be penalized if it's hitting someone of the same size?


There is one huge point you are completely missing. A faction made up of all lvl 20+ members with 500k+ stats, declaring war on lvl 10 members with only between 10k-20k stats. This is the huge issue that you HOF players seem to be forgetting.

Question is how can you protect the little guys from getting declared on by the bigger guys, and have no chance of survivability.


A gaussian curve needs to be set up, that takes into account of stats, average faction stat and standard deviation, account lvl, average faction level and standard deviation, and respect.
where the 2 faction that war each other that are similar in all the stats will gain the most respect from each other, while 2 faction with very dis-similar in all the stats will gain or lose very little respect.


This means that a faction with lots of respect wars a faction with little respect or little stats. Both sides will gain little respect or lose little respect.

This should prevent both top feeding and bottom feeding.


A second option is putting a weighting scale in your equation where the scale is 0-1 or 0%-100%. If two faction have very similar in all stats. You can have a weighting scale of 1, which means you get 100% of the calculated respect gain.

If the two factions are dissimilar in stats, then the scaling can go as low as 1 or 1%, which means both factions can gain or lose 1% of the respect that can be gained or loss.



Edited by: Phrexis on 05/02/08 at 5:23:07 PM


You didn't read what i wrote.

Of course that high level member should receive less respect for attacking a low level member! I mention someone hitting someone with the same level but within a lower respect faction.

You see factions with 200 respect and member with 30+ level, do they need protection? From whom?

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:48:17
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My first impression of yesterday update was positive because I thought it would apply only very low respect faction vs. HoF range respect but after hearing faction with 50k respect chaining 10k faction and been penalized so much respect gains was certainly unfair.

However it sounds like death sentence to small factions to remove respect change BUT leave overnite chaining update. Guess active & high level players who rather be a part of smaller team than HoF will no longer have privilege to be a member of faction. Thanks and good work.

Agreed about both. Maybe the respect thing wasn't set up right, but to leave the overnight chaining without SOME protection for the "lowly" factions is just crazy. Now small factions won't even have the time they HAD to try and figure out how to save themselves when the unreasonable HoF
factions (not all of them) declare. If they have like 200 respect then in less than a 24 hr period....(ie:in one chain) , with NO chance of doing anything much about it because they're continuously being hit, they will be zeroe'd. That's it, goodbye all your time, money, etc. Staff, OOPS, I mean, HoF took it. Does anyone realize that now this will mean HoF factions will need MORE targets now to keep their chain going,also ? Wow......really good work. Great work. */end sarcasm

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:48:51
Going back on this new update is ridicolous. Factions at the moment are completely unfair for weaker players, we are losing money and our factions and we can't do anything about it. Some people might say that if you aren't strong enough to run your own faction then don't buy one, well, that is stupid, factions are one of the best things about this game, they are fun to be in, you can get money from them, and it is generally quite fun, so why deny the weaker players the oppurtunity to run their own faction?

I believe that these new updates are ok, I was thrilled when I logged on and say that there were faction warring updates, then I saw what they were, I was happy, then when I logged on and saw the second announcement I thought that there would have been even more done to help the weaker factions.

The HoF moan because they can't get respect and money as easily as before, does it really matter that much, they still get to be in a top faction, not having to worry about running out of money and not being able to pay surrender fees. They make a big fuss because they will have to work a bit harder to get the respect and money they want. We the lowly factions who have to pay (in my case) most our money to buy a faction and then huge portions of it paying ridiculous surrender fees to all different factions. The HoF don't need to worry bout much, I reckon they are just greedy and lazy, more should be done to make it harder for them and easier for us.

I don't want to wait months maybe years before I am actually strong and rich enough to run my own faction, I want to be able to run one now, and not have to worry bout losing all my money.

Make more updates to help the weaker factions, the factions that actually need it.


Edited by: Sjefferies-DoA on 05/02/08 at 6:07:11 PM

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:49:51
you need to come up with something to stop the bashing of new factions! I guarentee they buy more dps then anyone in the hof factions.

Sometimes its just easier to mute them then own up to your own mistakes!!
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:51:30
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You see factions with 200 respect and member with 30+ level, do they need protection? From whom?


At least they should be given grace time to get things running and not be destroyed a day after getting together.

Referring:

http://www.torncity.com/forums.php?forumID=9&ID=2180198

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:51:58
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SHAME!

I think a faction with 17,000 respect warring a faction with 100 respect should gain little / no benefit from the war


Now, what if it was a 100 respect faction that was full of level 20's-30's and the 17K respect faction had the same? Would you still be saying that they shouldn't get any respect for declaring on them? Even if they are on the same level?

No. That isn't fair. And what if it's the 100 respect faction declaring on the 17K faction.

And don't say it doesn't happen. Look st HT-Vendetta. I don't know if they bought a brand spanking new faction at 100 respect or bought one that was for sale.

But they took a small faction, declared on everyone around and brought it to the HoF in no time.

So, you have to look at all of the angles here. It's not always the big respect guys that are the strongest, or the ones doing the declaring.

And you all say how it's unfair that all the little guys get declared on and destroyed. But like it's been said before, look at DA, they are in the HoF and not all their members are level 30+, far from it. But they work hard and they didn't complain about having to work to get to the HoF. They didn't expect it all to be handed to them.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:53:26
A faction 50 days or less could only be able to declare or be declared on by by others in the same age.(50 days or less)
This way they have a chance to get established and stuff. but after the faction get passed this 50 day period "poff" they are in everyones league..



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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2008 17:56:56
Well it doesnt realy affect me because i dont realy tend to bother with factions.

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