By Albion [112612]
More respect for taking on other fighting forces rather than people who don't fight much = fair in my view, no matter what their level if they're not a fighting force why should you get much respect for beating on them?
Agreed, the HOF need to sit back and chill out. Realise how lucky they are to be in HOF already!
I think a lot of players are going to like this update and it wont be changed back if past updates are anything to go by.
Yep, no one likes it when the tables get turned on them and they get a taste of their own medicine. Factions who've farmed respect from defenceless ones are now whining that they can no longer hit the weak factions in their warbases for much respect but to re-iterate my earlier point; why should they gain much for doing so?!
I don't think this is the right solution though. Lots of subs will pop up and other factions like LeukyBear's. I'm not sure if he set out to have a laugh with it or emphasize the main problem with the update but the latter has certainly been achieved so far!
Kudos to Ched for trying something though. Now hopefully we'll get some discussion going that will produce a better solution but it needed this to set it off.
Yep, no one likes it when the tables get turned on them and they get a taste of their own medicine. Factions who've farmed respect from defenceless ones are now whining that they can no longer hit the weak factions in their warbases for much respect but to re-iterate my earlier point; why should they gain much for doing so?!
you see you make a point but at the same time its part of the game , if your not big enuf to deal with it then dont do it.
Yep, no one likes it when the tables get turned on them and they get a taste of their own medicine. Factions who've farmed respect from defenceless ones are now whining that they can no longer hit the weak factions in their warbases for much respect but to re-iterate my earlier point; why should they gain much for doing so?!
you see you make a point but at the same time its part of the game , if your not big enuf to deal with it then dont do it.
if lower leveled members cant deal with the fact that when they make a faction they cant hold it above water so all the do is whine about it then why start one in the 1st place?
If your faction wars a faction which has MUCH less respect than them, the respect gain will be lower. For example, if a faction with 50,000 respect wars a faction with 100 respect, the respect gain could be up to 4x less than normal! If the 50,000 faction declares a 25,000 faction, there will be no change.
This change is certainly needed to keep factions as a whole, alive and fair. This will also hopefully deter the bigger factions, somewhat, from attacking brand new factions.
if lower leveled members cant deal with the fact that when they make a faction they cant hold it above water so all the do is whine about it then why start one in the 1st place?
There're plenty of people who've led factions in the past that shouldn't have. They'll still get destroyed, only now it'll be other low respect factions that destroy them, factions that will grow into higher respect factions that will then war and be warred by other higher respect factions. This, I think, is what Ched was aiming for.
Now, on to your situation, you're now complaining that you get very small respect for beating on these factions. How many times do I have to repeat myself before you get the picture? Google Define- Definitions of respect on the Web:
* esteem: the condition of being honored (esteemed or respected or well regarded); "a man who has earned high regard"
Basically... for HOF to mean something, it should be hard to get there, hard to stay there and hard to climb up it. And now it is.
dont think your entierly correct there but im sure you have a point, i dont completly agree,
to climb up it will be hard and to get into it will be but to get knocked out of it i doupt very much.
many HOF will proberly start again and war all they are at war with to still syteal there respect from them without loosing respect from there HOF faction.
By TiG [22083]
many HOF will proberly start again and war all they are at war with to still syteal there respect from them without loosing respect from there HOF faction.
Hum, certainly it looks like new war tactics are going to evolve. If one HOF moves all their members into new faction to chain away another HOFs respect the other HOF faction could do the same. Ends up being all their members in new factions and the HOF faction being near empty. Thats seems like a loose - loose situation for both sides, but often such is war
By nygel [420319]
obviosly you will never make to the HOF. Luck has nothing to do with it. It is hard work and dedication. They earned that spot on the HOF.
I am not saying the current HOF are there by luck but lucky to have already put the effort to get there in already, cos its proably 4x more work to chain ones way in there now.
Agreed, the HOF need to sit back and chill out. Realise how lucky they are to be in HOF already!
obviosly you will never make to the HOF. Luck has nothing to do with it. It is hard work and dedication. They earned that spot on the HOF.
Agreed 100%, alot of people need to have alittle more respect and relize , that HOF factions started somewhere just as every other faction.
When i came to DA it was mere about 6k respect if that, everyone worked hard for that respect, as every other faction with a good amount respect. (unless i miss the update of Ched giving respect to factions first inline)
The new system is something to be debated about as every other update they bring in this game. I personaly don't think it's great, but the little guys can fight if they will. I also think maybe taking into consideration how many people have factions, don't chain, and have no idea of what their doing .
So why not extort
By lord3unfamous [25574]
Good updates, pity that it took DV (a staff led faction) to decalre on 39th before this update got implimented.
call me cynical, but conflict of interests.
roflmao, you noticed that too huh? But um yea, while I agree staff should be allowed to be normal players, how about we NOT have them all in 1 faction, especially all the admins!
Well darn Tazzy looks like i owe ya 100k all of TC ain't blind like i thought
lol it just popped into my head that this is ched. ched is an evil, tyrannical, coldhearted, dastardly bastard, and this is his way of making the little factions suffer...........................:o
i hate, and disagree with this drastic respect change. now HoF'ers have to go elsewhere, and play, or take a break from the monotonous daily task of chaining .....(because chaining in a HoF faction, or faction with a few thousand respect, and higher just isnt the same anymore).....
much needed money should be sucked out of the tc economy soon enough:)
I'm too busy banging beaver, and snorting toot, and getting bombed, and dropping acid and eating apple pie off girls backsides.
if lower leveled members cant deal with the fact that when they make a faction they cant hold it above water so all the do is whine about it then why start one in the 1st place?
There're plenty of people who've led factions in the past that shouldn't have. They'll still get destroyed, only now it'll be other low respect factions that destroy them, factions that will grow into higher respect factions that will then war and be warred by other higher respect factions. This, I think, is what Ched was aiming for.
Now, on to your situation, you're now complaining that you get very small respect for beating on these factions. How many times do I have to repeat myself before you get the picture? Google Define- Definitions of respect on the Web:
* esteem: the condition of being honored (esteemed or respected or well regarded); "a man who has earned high regard"
Basically... for HOF to mean something, it should be hard to get there, hard to stay there and hard to climb up it. And now it is.
Edited by: Albion on 05/02/08 at 12:58:08 AM
dont use quotes you've made yourself look like a fool...
getting to the HoF was already damned hard, taking either BIG stats and a lot of players,
or alot of players wasting alot of e on chaining.
the activity it took to put a faction into the HoF before this update was huge, and was admirable then, now its actually an impossible task. if DV was assembled NOW, they would have to attack the entire HoF ONLY, continually chaining them day after day. the weighting of this is ridiculous, if a new sub is created it has stupidly huge protection, but still all the attacking power, and therefore a great advantage.
i know you've said it was flawed but it is so HUGELY flawed i see no praise to give this update
another point you make...
why is a level 26 who chains daily, attacking level 23-27s who train daily ANY LESS F"@^%*G honorable than that level attacking 23-27s that chain daily
it makes no difference
personally i think anyone who chains and still manages to have good stats to attack with is clearly more active and should have the reward of taking that correct amount of respect
i agree the intentions of this update were great, and most certainly needed right about now, but have been rushed into, not thought through fully, and angered alot of people
personally i think there should just be the lowered respect gains for factions under 500 respect. say 80% lower gains, and every 100 respect after that it drops by 10% or something of the likes
factions over 1.5-2k respect can clearly make some sort of stand for themselves for gods sake. why should HT attacking a level 50+ who is in a faction with say 20k respect take only 2 or 3 respect. for no damn reason at all, terrible margins they set.
This new update make HOF faction useless.
now no point we do chain go get more respect, coz the more we get respect we would get lower respect.
maybe ched want to us keep moving faction, do chain until the faction respect to high, and later move again and restart, with this condition we will waste more money n E so people buy have to buy more DP, so he get richer.
This update good for someone to hide if they get war.
even high level player can hide in faction with respect like 100-1K faction.
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