i'm getting alot of lag. and i mean ALOT. when hallow town was going strong i felt it a bit, but i wonder if it isn't this city watch. it obviously has a latent connection to your servers, and i wonder if this might be the cause.
By -JT- [147132]
yeah its ok, but Ched, make it so you dont have to be on the full version of torn, make it optional cause these little chat channels on my screen really piss me off and i know for a fact im not the only one that feels that way, go back to the old chat system, it was better.
or atleast give the option to close ALL chats not just the noobs and all torn ones
i have sigs turned off so i don't have to see your crap
By Tanix [846690]
Is it better then greasemoneky? cos GM can already do that and a lot more for FREE !!
P.S. A points market that is permanently empty means something is wrong.
Where have you been?
The points market has been empty for quite some time now.
and be4 ched had the npc post points it was empty or 70kplus to get a point all he did was take away what he put up to make up for the new cap when he capped her at 50k, the 50k is better then the 4k cap from when i started when dps sold under or about 500k if you got lucky
Ched this update sucks big time. Way to ruin the game you created
Why not reply to any of these mails. Hell even staff have given up defending this GREAT update
Sounds like a good Idea. It also sounds like a good idea for ched to sell more DP's seeing how there is no points market anymore. I log into TC plenty of times a day not to need this.
By Entropy [887804]
Heres how I see it. Ched has to make money. Fact. No harm in that, we all have to make a living. He runs a business, and businesses have making money as their sole purpose.
So yes, he's paid some developers to make this addon for us. Thanks. Its not something I'll be using, but if you want it and like then more power to you.
Are we forced to use it? No. Are we missing out by using it? No. Are we being forced to use RL cash to get it? Not if we already have the points, and as Passie said, there are means to gain those points within the game. No biggie, just not the worlds greatest peice of software.
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
I dont think there is a single player of this game who wouldnt thank you for the work you've put in (okay, so maybe there are), but I'm sure that the VAST majority will be extremely annoyed that the benefits we have held by having donator status are going to be removed. This is something we have come to expect now, and accept as a standard part of the game. By removing the ability to buy with points you have only further alienated an already fractious customer base.
I also have issues with the fact that it is a donation. Is it? Is it really? By removing the means to gain those benefits with in-game points, are you not making the DP a commodity that we are to now buy from you rather than be given as a reward for our donation? Your own admins have said that to gain benefits you may have to pay for them (Clansy, in this very thread). Well, from where I'm sat that makes the Donator Pack a purchase, and I therefore have rights under law regarding them.
Also, this would mean that you would be required to pay tax on those purchases, would it not? I really hope you have checked this move through with your lawyers, as you could be opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
If the DP is a purchased item, then the benefits derived from DP are also my legal property. If, for example, I choose to donate those points to my faction for safekeeping, and someone removes them as part of a faction scam, that makes you legally liable for the return of my property. Items that I purchase with the money I would make from the sale of a DP would be legal property, and should I be scammed out of that property, you again would be legally liable for that.
It matters not what your policy towards scamming is, thats the law, and you can be held accountable to it. These are just examples. I'm sure the legal situation will be a whole lot more complex than that, and as I said, I would hope that you would have taken legal advice before making this move.
If I can make a (somewhat late) suggestion... instead of removing the current benefits of donator status to all but paying customers, and hence annoying your entire customer base, would it not have been better to introduce a seperate higher level of donation status with higher benefits, which would not give you a tradeable item and would ONLY be available by cash purchase? Your existing players would be happy (well, as happy as this lot can be), and would then have the option of an increased benefit level rather than having our gaming experience reduced when we have all come to regard it as standard?
You need to take more care of your customers. The state of the economy is such that $5 a month DOES make a difference to many people, and when you couple in the unrest and dissatisfaction you are creating with this "update", you have 2 things: An unhappy customer base who is unwilling to spend their hard earned cash on buying your DPs. Result: reduced player count, reduced income.
And what is it saying to the new players you are so desperately targetting? One glance at this thread would have them running for the hills. Customer care! Keep the customer happy, and not slavering for your blood, and watch your income soar.
By Entropy [887804]
Heres how I see it. Ched has to make money. Fact. No harm in that, we all have to make a living. He runs a business, and businesses have making money as their sole purpose.
So yes, he's paid some developers to make this addon for us. Thanks. Its not something I'll be using, but if you want it and like then more power to you.
Are we forced to use it? No. Are we missing out by using it? No. Are we being forced to use RL cash to get it? Not if we already have the points, and as Passie said, there are means to gain those points within the game. No biggie, just not the worlds greatest peice of software.
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
I dont think there is a single player of this game who wouldnt thank you for the work you've put in (okay, so maybe there are), but I'm sure that the VAST majority will be extremely annoyed that the benefits we have held by having donator status are going to be removed. This is something we have come to expect now, and accept as a standard part of the game. By removing the ability to buy with points you have only further alienated an already fractious customer base.
I also have issues with the fact that it is a donation. Is it? Is it really? By removing the means to gain those benefits with in-game points, are you not making the DP a commodity that we are to now buy from you rather than be given as a reward for our donation? Your own admins have said that to gain benefits you may have to pay for them (Clansy, in this very thread). Well, from where I'm sat that makes the Donator Pack a purchase, and I therefore have rights under law regarding them.
Also, this would mean that you would be required to pay tax on those purchases, would it not? I really hope you have checked this move through with your lawyers, as you could be opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
If the DP is a purchased item, then the benefits derived from DP are also my legal property. If, for example, I choose to donate those points to my faction for safekeeping, and someone removes them as part of a faction scam, that makes you legally liable for the return of my property. Items that I purchase with the money I would make from the sale of a DP would be legal property, and should I be scammed out of that property, you again would be legally liable for that.
It matters not what your policy towards scamming is, thats the law, and you can be held accountable to it. These are just examples. I'm sure the legal situation will be a whole lot more complex than that, and as I said, I would hope that you would have taken legal advice before making this move.
If I can make a (somewhat late) suggestion... instead of removing the current benefits of donator status to all but paying customers, and hence annoying your entire customer base, would it not have been better to introduce a seperate higher level of donation status with higher benefits, which would not give you a tradeable item and would ONLY be available by cash purchase? Your existing players would be happy (well, as happy as this lot can be), and would then have the option of an increased benefit level rather than having our gaming experience reduced when we have all come to regard it as standard?
You need to take more care of your customers. The state of the economy is such that $5 a month DOES make a difference to many people, and when you couple in the unrest and dissatisfaction you are creating with this "update", you have 2 things: An unhappy customer base who is unwilling to spend their hard earned cash on buying your DPs. Result: reduced player count, reduced income.
And what is it saying to the new players you are so desperately targetting? One glance at this thread would have them running for the hills. Customer care! Keep the customer happy, and not slavering for your blood, and watch your income soar.
By Entropy [887804]
Heres how I see it. Ched has to make money. Fact. No harm in that, we all have to make a living. He runs a business, and businesses have making money as their sole purpose.
So yes, he's paid some developers to make this addon for us. Thanks. Its not something I'll be using, but if you want it and like then more power to you.
Are we forced to use it? No. Are we missing out by using it? No. Are we being forced to use RL cash to get it? Not if we already have the points, and as Passie said, there are means to gain those points within the game. No biggie, just not the worlds greatest peice of software.
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
I dont think there is a single player of this game who wouldnt thank you for the work you've put in (okay, so maybe there are), but I'm sure that the VAST majority will be extremely annoyed that the benefits we have held by having donator status are going to be removed. This is something we have come to expect now, and accept as a standard part of the game. By removing the ability to buy with points you have only further alienated an already fractious customer base.
I also have issues with the fact that it is a donation. Is it? Is it really? By removing the means to gain those benefits with in-game points, are you not making the DP a commodity that we are to now buy from you rather than be given as a reward for our donation? Your own admins have said that to gain benefits you may have to pay for them (Clansy, in this very thread). Well, from where I'm sat that makes the Donator Pack a purchase, and I therefore have rights under law regarding them.
Also, this would mean that you would be required to pay tax on those purchases, would it not? I really hope you have checked this move through with your lawyers, as you could be opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
If the DP is a purchased item, then the benefits derived from DP are also my legal property. If, for example, I choose to donate those points to my faction for safekeeping, and someone removes them as part of a faction scam, that makes you legally liable for the return of my property. Items that I purchase with the money I would make from the sale of a DP would be legal property, and should I be scammed out of that property, you again would be legally liable for that.
It matters not what your policy towards scamming is, thats the law, and you can be held accountable to it. These are just examples. I'm sure the legal situation will be a whole lot more complex than that, and as I said, I would hope that you would have taken legal advice before making this move.
If I can make a (somewhat late) suggestion... instead of removing the current benefits of donator status to all but paying customers, and hence annoying your entire customer base, would it not have been better to introduce a seperate higher level of donation status with higher benefits, which would not give you a tradeable item and would ONLY be available by cash purchase? Your existing players would be happy (well, as happy as this lot can be), and would then have the option of an increased benefit level rather than having our gaming experience reduced when we have all come to regard it as standard?
You need to take more care of your customers. The state of the economy is such that $5 a month DOES make a difference to many people, and when you couple in the unrest and dissatisfaction you are creating with this "update", you have 2 things: An unhappy customer base who is unwilling to spend their hard earned cash on buying your DPs. Result: reduced player count, reduced income.
And what is it saying to the new players you are so desperately targetting? One glance at this thread would have them running for the hills. Customer care! Keep the customer happy, and not slavering for your blood, and watch your income soar.
Much love
Entropy
best comment i have read for a very long time
rated +
but would it be taken notice of by ched or would he actually do anything regaurding the issue? i highly doubt it
By Entropy [887804]
................
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
..............
Entropy
Actually - it's at least the third time it was decided updates weren't important enough to be announced - unless of course "City Watch" was regarded as more important than some ermmm.........other issues
There is absolutely no way I'll download software and install it on my computer from this website. God only knows what kind of trouble that junk will have on my pc later on. With all of the problems this game has would you want the same people writing software for your computer?
By Entropy [887804]
Heres how I see it. Ched has to make money. Fact. No harm in that, we all have to make a living. He runs a business, and businesses have making money as their sole purpose.
So yes, he's paid some developers to make this addon for us. Thanks. Its not something I'll be using, but if you want it and like then more power to you.
Are we forced to use it? No. Are we missing out by using it? No. Are we being forced to use RL cash to get it? Not if we already have the points, and as Passie said, there are means to gain those points within the game. No biggie, just not the worlds greatest peice of software.
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
I dont think there is a single player of this game who wouldnt thank you for the work you've put in (okay, so maybe there are), but I'm sure that the VAST majority will be extremely annoyed that the benefits we have held by having donator status are going to be removed. This is something we have come to expect now, and accept as a standard part of the game. By removing the ability to buy with points you have only further alienated an already fractious customer base.
I also have issues with the fact that it is a donation. Is it? Is it really? By removing the means to gain those benefits with in-game points, are you not making the DP a commodity that we are to now buy from you rather than be given as a reward for our donation? Your own admins have said that to gain benefits you may have to pay for them (Clansy, in this very thread). Well, from where I'm sat that makes the Donator Pack a purchase, and I therefore have rights under law regarding them.
Also, this would mean that you would be required to pay tax on those purchases, would it not? I really hope you have checked this move through with your lawyers, as you could be opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
If the DP is a purchased item, then the benefits derived from DP are also my legal property. If, for example, I choose to donate those points to my faction for safekeeping, and someone removes them as part of a faction scam, that makes you legally liable for the return of my property. Items that I purchase with the money I would make from the sale of a DP would be legal property, and should I be scammed out of that property, you again would be legally liable for that.
It matters not what your policy towards scamming is, thats the law, and you can be held accountable to it. These are just examples. I'm sure the legal situation will be a whole lot more complex than that, and as I said, I would hope that you would have taken legal advice before making this move.
If I can make a (somewhat late) suggestion... instead of removing the current benefits of donator status to all but paying customers, and hence annoying your entire customer base, would it not have been better to introduce a seperate higher level of donation status with higher benefits, which would not give you a tradeable item and would ONLY be available by cash purchase? Your existing players would be happy (well, as happy as this lot can be), and would then have the option of an increased benefit level rather than having our gaming experience reduced when we have all come to regard it as standard?
You need to take more care of your customers. The state of the economy is such that $5 a month DOES make a difference to many people, and when you couple in the unrest and dissatisfaction you are creating with this "update", you have 2 things: An unhappy customer base who is unwilling to spend their hard earned cash on buying your DPs. Result: reduced player count, reduced income.
And what is it saying to the new players you are so desperately targetting? One glance at this thread would have them running for the hills. Customer care! Keep the customer happy, and not slavering for your blood, and watch your income soar.
By Entropy [887804]
Heres how I see it. Ched has to make money. Fact. No harm in that, we all have to make a living. He runs a business, and businesses have making money as their sole purpose.
So yes, he's paid some developers to make this addon for us. Thanks. Its not something I'll be using, but if you want it and like then more power to you.
Are we forced to use it? No. Are we missing out by using it? No. Are we being forced to use RL cash to get it? Not if we already have the points, and as Passie said, there are means to gain those points within the game. No biggie, just not the worlds greatest peice of software.
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
I dont think there is a single player of this game who wouldnt thank you for the work you've put in (okay, so maybe there are), but I'm sure that the VAST majority will be extremely annoyed that the benefits we have held by having donator status are going to be removed. This is something we have come to expect now, and accept as a standard part of the game. By removing the ability to buy with points you have only further alienated an already fractious customer base.
Awesome post right up to here! Then the rage rant starts.
By Entropy [887804]
I also have issues with the fact that it is a donation. Is it? Is it really? By removing the means to gain those benefits with in-game points, are you not making the DP a commodity that we are to now buy from you rather than be given as a reward for our donation?
This is also true, however, as long as they decide to keep the term "donate", legally no-one can touch them as far as I am concerned, seeing that "donating" means that you don't expect anything in return, and should be thankful if you do get rewarded a DP.
By Entropy [887804]
Your own admins have said that to gain benefits you may have to pay for them (Clansy, in this very thread). Well, from where I'm sat that makes the Donator Pack a purchase, and I therefore have rights under law regarding them.
Would be having more points be a benefit? Yes
Would be having more $ be a benefit? Yes
Would it be a benefit if everyone got it for free? No. Of course you will have to pay to receive a benefit!
And where do you sit? I sit in a place called reality. Over here, your "point of view" don't grant you any rights, whether under law or any other form. It will be a purchase when it changes to say "purchase" on the website.
By Entropy [887804]
Also, this would mean that you would be required to pay tax on those purchases, would it not? I really hope you have checked this move through with your lawyers, as you could be opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
Sorry, I'm not a lawyer, or even American. But the way I understand income tax is, If you aren't a charity or a church, you "gotta pay the man" on everything you earn. Sux though.
By Entropy [887804]
If the DP is a purchased item, then the benefits derived from DP are also my legal property. If, for example, I choose to donate those points to my faction for safekeeping, and someone removes them as part of a faction scam, that makes you legally liable for the return of my property. Items that I purchase with the money I would make from the sale of a DP would be legal property, and should I be scammed out of that property, you again would be legally liable for that.
It matters not what your policy towards scamming is, thats the law, and you can be held accountable to it. These are just examples. I'm sure the legal situation will be a whole lot more complex than that, and as I said, I would hope that you would have taken legal advice before making this move.
I will humor your point of view just to point out the following:
In your hypothetical situation you claim to now own the benefits, or like you said it is now "your property". That is also an highly unlikely to be true statement. Looking at other online purchases, like monthly payed MMOs, you read in your EULA that you only buy the RIGHT to USE it. The benefits itself is still the intellectual property of Chedworks or whoever. Unfortunately for the payer (us) and fortunately for the provider (them), an agreement which is set up like that really protects "them".
Again, not trying to burn you, as you made a great post with which I absolutely agree, but it is apparent how angry you got towards the later half of the post. Don't worry, lots of other people are angry too. Nut just like you said, no-one HAS to buy the City Watch app, neither do they have to buy DPs, but it is in Ched 'n the team's best interest to make people WANT to
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