Two thumbs down!
What happened Ched? the greed got to ya eh.
As for those getting 404's, make sure you're running in admin status for your browser, and then the software install make sure you run as admin, that might be the/a problem you're having.
Sigh, at the rate i keep leaving Torn due to disgust at changes implemented.. and then returning to see if things got better, only to find it got stupidly crazier .. it looks like I'm gonna be stuck at 46 forever
Wow, Ched really has gotten really greedy in the last month or so. Making it so the only way to get donator packs is with real $$... Your screwing the game up!
lol points are VERY hard to get hold of and VERY expensive now and you wont us to spend it on some toolbar to let us know when we have a new message/event....
By PopadaPill [900338]
[quote]By Entropy [887804]
Heres how I see it. Ched has to make money. Fact. No harm in that, we all have to make a living. He runs a business, and businesses have making money as their sole purpose.
So yes, he's paid some developers to make this addon for us. Thanks. Its not something I'll be using, but if you want it and like then more power to you.
Are we forced to use it? No. Are we missing out by using it? No. Are we being forced to use RL cash to get it? Not if we already have the points, and as Passie said, there are means to gain those points within the game. No biggie, just not the worlds greatest peice of software.
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
I dont think there is a single player of this game who wouldnt thank you for the work you've put in (okay, so maybe there are), but I'm sure that the VAST majority will be extremely annoyed that the benefits we have held by having donator status are going to be removed. This is something we have come to expect now, and accept as a standard part of the game. By removing the ability to buy with points you have only further alienated an already fractious customer base.
I also have issues with the fact that it is a donation. Is it? Is it really? By removing the means to gain those benefits with in-game points, are you not making the DP a commodity that we are to now buy from you rather than be given as a reward for our donation? Your own admins have said that to gain benefits you may have to pay for them (Clansy, in this very thread). Well, from where I'm sat that makes the Donator Pack a purchase, and I therefore have rights under law regarding them.
Also, this would mean that you would be required to pay tax on those purchases, would it not? I really hope you have checked this move through with your lawyers, as you could be opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
If the DP is a purchased item, then the benefits derived from DP are also my legal property. If, for example, I choose to donate those points to my faction for safekeeping, and someone removes them as part of a faction scam, that makes you legally liable for the return of my property. Items that I purchase with the money I would make from the sale of a DP would be legal property, and should I be scammed out of that property, you again would be legally liable for that.
It matters not what your policy towards scamming is, thats the law, and you can be held accountable to it. These are just examples. I'm sure the legal situation will be a whole lot more complex than that, and as I said, I would hope that you would have taken legal advice before making this move.
If I can make a (somewhat late) suggestion... instead of removing the current benefits of donator status to all but paying customers, and hence annoying your entire customer base, would it not have been better to introduce a seperate higher level of donation status with higher benefits, which would not give you a tradeable item and would ONLY be available by cash purchase? Your existing players would be happy (well, as happy as this lot can be), and would then have the option of an increased benefit level rather than having our gaming experience reduced when we have all come to regard it as standard?
You need to take more care of your customers. The state of the economy is such that $5 a month DOES make a difference to many people, and when you couple in the unrest and dissatisfaction you are creating with this "update", you have 2 things: An unhappy customer base who is unwilling to spend their hard earned cash on buying your DPs. Result: reduced player count, reduced income.
And what is it saying to the new players you are so desperately targetting? One glance at this thread would have them running for the hills. Customer care! Keep the customer happy, and not slavering for your blood, and watch your income soar.
I bought this crummy add on... I have lots of points and several donator packs. I never complain about new releases or changes... I believe in paying for my donator packs becuase I understand the needs of the business, but this city watch stinks. At the very least, we should be able to make it do more things, for example, tell us when our drug effects ware off... or maybe we could program it to sign up up for races automatically when a race ends? let's at least make this thing a bit more useful.
By Ascended_Saiyan [1353484]
something called 'greasemonkeh'
which does this..FOR FREE
Well this is a great uptade ched.But you are being too greedy on this one,,this update is cheap,i am not saying it is not useful,but this should be free for users of torn.
By PopadaPill [900338]
[quote]By Entropy [887804]
Heres how I see it. Ched has to make money. Fact. No harm in that, we all have to make a living. He runs a business, and businesses have making money as their sole purpose.
So yes, he's paid some developers to make this addon for us. Thanks. Its not something I'll be using, but if you want it and like then more power to you.
Are we forced to use it? No. Are we missing out by using it? No. Are we being forced to use RL cash to get it? Not if we already have the points, and as Passie said, there are means to gain those points within the game. No biggie, just not the worlds greatest peice of software.
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
I dont think there is a single player of this game who wouldnt thank you for the work you've put in (okay, so maybe there are), but I'm sure that the VAST majority will be extremely annoyed that the benefits we have held by having donator status are going to be removed. This is something we have come to expect now, and accept as a standard part of the game. By removing the ability to buy with points you have only further alienated an already fractious customer base.
I also have issues with the fact that it is a donation. Is it? Is it really? By removing the means to gain those benefits with in-game points, are you not making the DP a commodity that we are to now buy from you rather than be given as a reward for our donation? Your own admins have said that to gain benefits you may have to pay for them (Clansy, in this very thread). Well, from where I'm sat that makes the Donator Pack a purchase, and I therefore have rights under law regarding them.
Also, this would mean that you would be required to pay tax on those purchases, would it not? I really hope you have checked this move through with your lawyers, as you could be opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
If the DP is a purchased item, then the benefits derived from DP are also my legal property. If, for example, I choose to donate those points to my faction for safekeeping, and someone removes them as part of a faction scam, that makes you legally liable for the return of my property. Items that I purchase with the money I would make from the sale of a DP would be legal property, and should I be scammed out of that property, you again would be legally liable for that.
It matters not what your policy towards scamming is, thats the law, and you can be held accountable to it. These are just examples. I'm sure the legal situation will be a whole lot more complex than that, and as I said, I would hope that you would have taken legal advice before making this move.
If I can make a (somewhat late) suggestion... instead of removing the current benefits of donator status to all but paying customers, and hence annoying your entire customer base, would it not have been better to introduce a seperate higher level of donation status with higher benefits, which would not give you a tradeable item and would ONLY be available by cash purchase? Your existing players would be happy (well, as happy as this lot can be), and would then have the option of an increased benefit level rather than having our gaming experience reduced when we have all come to regard it as standard?
You need to take more care of your customers. The state of the economy is such that $5 a month DOES make a difference to many people, and when you couple in the unrest and dissatisfaction you are creating with this "update", you have 2 things: An unhappy customer base who is unwilling to spend their hard earned cash on buying your DPs. Result: reduced player count, reduced income.
And what is it saying to the new players you are so desperately targetting? One glance at this thread would have them running for the hills. Customer care! Keep the customer happy, and not slavering for your blood, and watch your income soar.
This is the worst update yet. Wonder what cheddy will do when we all put our 5 bucks back in our pockets. Can't make any money if you drive people away. Get a poll going ched to actually see what people want. Yes this is your game but we all play too. Think about better ways to make money then trying to con it out of us with shitty updates that require points with real money. Greed is one of the seven deadly sins. So is death please don't kill this game with your greedy ways
By Bevan [463836]
lol points are VERY hard to get hold of and VERY expensive now and you wont us to spend it on some toolbar to let us know when we have a new message/event....
Buy 5 sets of flowers (about 800k each), join cynics faction he will change them for points. Buy it. All for the price of 4mil
And I also think this is a good idea, I dont know why people are shouting about it. New updates like this are what this game needs
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
and this isn't the first time something like this has happened...... remember removing the radio link and having a great new update on the go?
or removing the radio forum and announcing a new competition?
Ched masks all the crap decisions he makes and impliments by running a new idea or promotion at the same time.
Simple fact is, you can't candy coat a turd. Whilst it may look great on the outside, it's still shit in the middle.
furthermore.... Where is the great Ched to answer to the people that pay his wages?
now then joe..... don't be a coward all your life. Come on out and face your public. Looking back through this thread and others related to it, there are some far better ideas mentioned than the (crap) ones you've come up with.
lol...all people need to do is google a free time clock and it'll count down for you on your pc without clogging up resource and not costing 50pts.....
how about we work on chess and maybe an iphone/andriod torn app?
i have sigs turned off so i don't have to see your crap
By Tapdancer [23888]
Two thumbs down!
What happened Ched? the greed got to ya eh.
As for those getting 404's, make sure you're running in admin status for your browser, and then the software install make sure you run as admin, that might be the/a problem you're having.
Sigh, at the rate i keep leaving Torn due to disgust at changes implemented.. and then returning to see if things got better, only to find it got stupidly crazier .. it looks like I'm gonna be stuck at 46 forever
CAN'T AGREE WITH HIM MORE ON THIS ONE! THIS IS JUST MADNESS AND CHED GOT TO THE POINT OF DESPERATION! PI YATCH UPGRADE FOR ~900M JUST FOR THE 500 HAPPY? YOU GOTTA DO BETTER THAN THAT TO TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF YOUR CRASHED (YOUR OWN MISTAKE) ECONOMY!
IT IS VERY MUCH LOOK LIKE, YOU MAKE THE MISTAKE AND PLAYERS PAY FOR IT? THAT DOES NOT SOUNDS VERY PROFESSIONAL AT ALL CHED! DO YOU EVER SHARE WITH PLAYERS WHEN YOU MAKE PROFITS? I DON'T THINK SO. THEN BE A MAN AND OWN UP ON YOUR MISTAKE. IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO TURN AROUND AND APOLOGIZE AND START FRESH.
LAST THING.. STOP PUTTING OUT MORE STUPID UPDATES AND YOUR DESPERATION MOVES! (THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPEN WHEN SOMEONE DECIDE TO SKIP EDUCATION AND GO INTO BUSINESS THINKING ONE MIGHT BECOME NEXT BILL GATES!)
“Beauty of LOVE is not getting everything from your loved one, but giving up everything in return for his or her happinessâ€
By PopadaPill [900338]
[quote]By Entropy [887804]
Heres how I see it. Ched has to make money. Fact. No harm in that, we all have to make a living. He runs a business, and businesses have making money as their sole purpose.
So yes, he's paid some developers to make this addon for us. Thanks. Its not something I'll be using, but if you want it and like then more power to you.
Are we forced to use it? No. Are we missing out by using it? No. Are we being forced to use RL cash to get it? Not if we already have the points, and as Passie said, there are means to gain those points within the game. No biggie, just not the worlds greatest peice of software.
Where I do take issue is with the underhanded way that he has used this release as a way to distract us from the fact that we can no longer buy donator status with points. This wasnt announced, this wasnt pre-warned, just BAM... its gone. That to me was a cowardly move, and the mauling he is getting in this thread for it is due and just. At least have the courage of your convictions and tell the community that you are doing it and why. Sneaking it in while our backs are turned is underhanded, low, and unworthy of you.
I dont think there is a single player of this game who wouldnt thank you for the work you've put in (okay, so maybe there are), but I'm sure that the VAST majority will be extremely annoyed that the benefits we have held by having donator status are going to be removed. This is something we have come to expect now, and accept as a standard part of the game. By removing the ability to buy with points you have only further alienated an already fractious customer base.
I also have issues with the fact that it is a donation. Is it? Is it really? By removing the means to gain those benefits with in-game points, are you not making the DP a commodity that we are to now buy from you rather than be given as a reward for our donation? Your own admins have said that to gain benefits you may have to pay for them (Clansy, in this very thread). Well, from where I'm sat that makes the Donator Pack a purchase, and I therefore have rights under law regarding them.
Also, this would mean that you would be required to pay tax on those purchases, would it not? I really hope you have checked this move through with your lawyers, as you could be opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
If the DP is a purchased item, then the benefits derived from DP are also my legal property. If, for example, I choose to donate those points to my faction for safekeeping, and someone removes them as part of a faction scam, that makes you legally liable for the return of my property. Items that I purchase with the money I would make from the sale of a DP would be legal property, and should I be scammed out of that property, you again would be legally liable for that.
It matters not what your policy towards scamming is, thats the law, and you can be held accountable to it. These are just examples. I'm sure the legal situation will be a whole lot more complex than that, and as I said, I would hope that you would have taken legal advice before making this move.
If I can make a (somewhat late) suggestion... instead of removing the current benefits of donator status to all but paying customers, and hence annoying your entire customer base, would it not have been better to introduce a seperate higher level of donation status with higher benefits, which would not give you a tradeable item and would ONLY be available by cash purchase? Your existing players would be happy (well, as happy as this lot can be), and would then have the option of an increased benefit level rather than having our gaming experience reduced when we have all come to regard it as standard?
You need to take more care of your customers. The state of the economy is such that $5 a month DOES make a difference to many people, and when you couple in the unrest and dissatisfaction you are creating with this "update", you have 2 things: An unhappy customer base who is unwilling to spend their hard earned cash on buying your DPs. Result: reduced player count, reduced income.
And what is it saying to the new players you are so desperately targetting? One glance at this thread would have them running for the hills. Customer care! Keep the customer happy, and not slavering for your blood, and watch your income soar.
Much love
Entropy
Vote him in the next Mayor Election
rated ++++++++++++++++
we the users are being blamed for all this cash needed by the chedburn corp. for server updates, coding, and maintenance..
just how many "active" torn city members do we have, and who hasn't been online in years, quit as fast as they sign up, or are multis?
Be straight with us homie, what are your intentions Ched?
yeh for 50 points it sucks, but ill wait and see how its worked on in the future, in overall it does what it says, but would personally say waste of developers time
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