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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:16:32
Newer players can buy donator packs and get a LOT more money for them than older players got, the results (as far as a newer player goes) is that the money is far more valuable than the points, and if not then they can use the points from their own DPs. End of the day, what is needed is more income for the game, it's a good move even though i'll hate trying to obtain points myself, i'll just have to buy real dps for a lot of money off people who help support the game. Point being, there is no reason for players to say it's somehow harder for new players now.

That being said, sorry if my post in General Discussion about the updates bothered you Ched~ it was fully in jest, I know (as does everyone here I hope) that it was purely an ETA, it was even mentioned in your last announcement specifically that they may be pushed back depending on how well things go. In any case thanks for the updates, racing took forever but it turned out pretty cool, could still use more in my opinion, some sort of reward for it.

I do however feel a lot of updates were released incomplete (company/faction changes) which is fine, I just really wish that work was put in to finish them before just moving on and forgetting/leaving them that way.

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:18:05
I agree with lots of people here,good game,we can see it in classment on internet,great big job from all your team,and there is a city with an economy,so people buy and find other system to protect your interest ,points are ,and stay like it was without help of staff,
you want ,you buy,
you like donator system ,pay
that s the game

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:20:58
By maaxtal [1053284]
I agree with lots of people here,good game,we can see it in classment on internet,great big job from all your team,and there is a city with an economy,so people buy and find other system to protect your interest ,points are ,and stay like it was without help of staff,
you want ,you buy,
you like donator system ,pay
that s the game


That was very difficult to read, but I think it was a good point.

Last Edited: Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:25:05
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:23:56
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For 6 years or so.. the older players were able to do easy refills and thereby gain more stats. What about the younger players now? Don't they get an equal share.


nope the younger players get screwed over even more


and why shouldn't they? Should new players get it super easy and have loads of perks? - no. So Stfu.

Its turds like you lot that want all the fun and challenge taken out of the game. I for one don't want it to be an easy ride and need no effort.


you don't get it it will be nigh on high impossible for the younger players to ever even contemplate obtaining the amout of money the older players have it's the same old torn thing rich players are getting richer the younger players will never ever reach them.

example MR A at 2000 days old has $100,000,000,000
Mr B who is currently only 1000 days old will never have that much at 2000 days old unless he/she *****s cupious amounts of real money on it.

easy ways to cap economy and keep things flowing

Cap item to a limit why would anyone need 10,000 morphines apart from price gouging at high times,price cap stat enhancers, make trade fee for 1 on 1 personal trades say a 1% transaction fee taken from both players this alone over time would start brining a stability to the economy, make gifts and boxes also a 1% postage fee of the market value of the item.take 20% of lottery money and give it to good causes (just make it dissapear) instead of giving it all back out our own lottery don't give 100% of ticket sales to the winner

there are loads of ways to deal with this just seems your staff team have no idea how business works and how to deal with the problem



Last Edited: Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:28:23
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:24:22
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what a lot of you don't seem to realise is that torn.com is a business
a lot of you seem to think ched just strolls around the office in a real fur coat with a cuban cigar and 2 barely dressed latino women on either side of him



He does, I've got pictures. I am allowed to roll around in 100$ bills as well!

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:25:22
In life you can never please everyone when your in charge.

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:25:40
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what a lot of you don't seem to realise is that torn.com is a business
a lot of you seem to think ched just strolls around the office in a real fur coat with a cuban cigar and 2 barely dressed latino women on either side of him



He does, I've got pictures. I am allowed to roll around in 100$ bills as well!


why is that not even slightly hard to believe

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:27:12
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:28:39
No objection, Ched.

I'm with ya.


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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:30:21
You know if people around here didn't bitch and complain about something I'd actually think I was in the wrong game. This is a business and like all businesses it takes money to run it. If there's no money then there is no business and no business means no Torn City. People complain about updates not being on time. They complain about points not being available like they use to be. Give them a chance and they'll complain about the color of underwear they have to use. Give Ched a break and cut him some slack. Would you have preferred him to release an update that wasn't completely ready for release. Knowing how some of you like to complain it would make sense then since it would give you something else to bitch about. Nothing and I mean nothing in this world runs smoothly. Updates will arrive when they arrive so enjoy the anticipation like most people do.

In my humble opinion Ched you're doing a great job and so is your staff.

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:31:17
Well this update is a little weird for the points, but to be honest I would buy points if the staff and the Dev's found another way to buy points other than PayPal, which is very hard to get in some countries. Maybe SMS transfer and or Bank transfer would be good options also?

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:33:21
Even if it is impossible to buy DP's in game, 90% of people still won't donate.
I have never donated to torn and never will. If a time comes when i have to start paying to play i'll just move on to one of the copycat games which are totally free to play and where you can get DP's in game.

No.
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:34:26
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You should realise , most of torn's players arnt old enough to have paypal/google accounts , to pay for donator packs so you need to bring back donating by SMS or find another way for people to do it safely , i am old enough to donate now and i might now and again but when i had just started and i couldnt donate, I would of happily but couldnt


Their parents pay for them to play xbox live and WOW, why is it different here?


Maybe the fact that this is a text based game... I would gladly pay twice what i pay to play WoW and still wouldnt pay $5 to buy the donator status in TC at this time...

Your comparing a game with a few hundreds of ppl developing and maintaining with a text based game developed by 1 person... With maybe assistance of a few more pehaps...

And now that i think about it, from that perspective, considering i only pay $13 to play WoW the $5 for a TC donator pack becomes kinda outrageous...

So please dont try to compare this with other non text based games, as its not comparable and its just stupid...

But back to reason why i wouldnt pay... Because i'm tired and bored... Just havent quit because have 1 and half year of "work" on it...

Would i pay if i werent bored of it? Pehaps... Never felt the need, as when i come in economy was already screwed and in day 2 i had a dp already without even asking for it...

Again i say dont compare it to graphical games... It doesnt help your cause...


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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:34:27
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We're not forcing you to buy refills every day. We do not force anyone to do this.


Okay this is true, you are not, however there is a massive disparity here, players that were rich before hand and had thens of thousands of points saved up can continue to spend points without care, whereas those that buy points as an when now have to pay $75 a month to recieve the same thing. I'm sure you have tens of thousands of point saved up and it's not a problem for you (I'm not accusing you of using your position as admin to take advantage of future changes you know are coming, it's just somone as rich as you will have them) But for me I can refil for 6 days then I'm stuck.

Anyway I think we can safely say that noone is going to pay $75 a month just to refil, so let's look at how else this might boost DP sales, of course with extra demand on DPs due to them not being purchasable with points, and the fact some uber rich players will be buying DPs with in game cash at any price to refil DP prices will increase.

So an increase in DP prices, that's bound to get more people donating right? I mean if you can sell an item for more you're far more likely to buy it right?

Wrong, as I've said before in many threads this neglects a important aspect of the economy of this game, you buy as many DPs as you need.

One of the more recent times I bought DPs was in order to get myself a prn benefit block, at the time 60m with DPs at 7.5m, so I bought 8DPs to get my block of PRN.... Need 60m nowadays... well DPs are 15m, so I'll just buy 4. Boom, you've halfed the sales of DPs.


I would have no problem with donating to torn if you made DPs untradable so I was forced to pay $5 a month to play the game as I want with DP status I'd cough up, but if you ask $75 a month to play the game as I want... no chance.


EDIT: and finally if you think I'm being like chicken liken and saying the sky is falling when it's not, and more points will become available due to people doing more point harvesting activities then that's fine, but say that instead of telling me to just not refill any more.


TL,DR: I want to refill and doing this wont necessarily make you more money.

Last Edited: Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:47:09
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:35:27
100% behind you.

Pretty sure rich, big, older players are too-well they are if they want the game to continue. Doesn't matter how many stats you have or how old you are, or how much $$ you have.

You gotta implement last part of plan though-so donators feel the get a 'real' advantage..........Whatever that may be.

All in all the job everyone at TC does provides entertainment for us all. Thanks.





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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:35:38
People complain because they don't like what you're doing.

Is your aim not to keep your customers happy ched?

After all, if you don't keep the players happy, those players may leave the game, and in turn, you lose even more income.
I know, it's impossible to keep everyone happy all the time, and in my opinion, it's better not to release updates until they're 100% ready to be released.
But, is removing the points market, the right way to go about this?
It will make Donator Packs and artifacts, shooooot up in price due to people just wanting points.
People won't need to pay to get hold of donator packs as they're still there on the market, it's just favouring the rich people of the game who can afford it, and making it even harder for the younger players on the game to get ahead or even start, and therefore possibly even pushing your newer members away?
And then in turn, maybe even pushing away your existing players, and your net income being even lower.

Last Edited: Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:36:38
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:41:11
Simple solution:
Non-invasive, small ad at the bottom of the page for anyone who doesn't actually buy their donator status. I know I wouldn't be bothered by an ad, heck wouldn't even be bothered by a couple ads.

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:42:23
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Simple solution:
Non-invasive, small ad at the bottom of the page for anyone who doesn't actually buy their donator status. I know I wouldn't be bothered by an ad, heck wouldn't even be bothered by a couple ads.


Would ads not make the game seem unprofessional?

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:43:10
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Simple solution:
Non-invasive, small ad at the bottom of the page for anyone who doesn't actually buy their donator status. I know I wouldn't be bothered by an ad, heck wouldn't even be bothered by a couple ads.


Would ads not make the game seem unprofessional?


no



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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:45:03
i agree with ched dont be cheap buy DPs i buy them all the time but it would be helpful if you have more than 1 way of buying DPs

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:45:05
well the points subject will not going to end soon unless ched or the admins does something good to balance up
we all know that there is no more points available on the market to buy and it will not going to be available soon.....we will only get points available only of few conditions like
1) a point holder looses a huge cash in bookies and then he is forced to sell up so that he can make more cash ( and if he sells up then he will sure choose his close frnds to sale it)
2) NPC starts selling points again
3) remove the points cap or set higher points cap so that atleast few points can be available to buy
4) not coming in mind at the moment...if u come idea let me know i will add up
so, admin plz give a think on it and give everyone a good option so that we can all enjoy
sorry for long post.......and torn is really doing greatz compared to other games.
and the gap between the rich or high stats player will never end...so its useless discussing on it.


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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:45:18
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Simple solution:
Non-invasive, small ad at the bottom of the page for anyone who doesn't actually buy their donator status. I know I wouldn't be bothered by an ad, heck wouldn't even be bothered by a couple ads.


Would ads not make the game seem unprofessional?


no



How not?
It would create spaces on each page of the game that had an unrelated article on it. If the pages don't all follow exactly the same theme, and doesn't all stay related to the same subject, this will make the game seem highly unprofessional, especially for the newer players.
Think about it.
Log on, look at your home page, get distracted by an ad for whatever the ad may be, this could even make you navigate away from the website, and forget all about Torn.

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:46:17
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Even if it is impossible to buy DP's in game, 90% of people still won't donate.
I have never donated to torn and never will. If a time comes when i have to start paying to play i'll just move on to one of the copycat games which are totally free to play and where you can get DP's in game.


That's true with me too. That being said, however, for players that ARE willing to donate, maybe there could be an option for buying only points, and no DP, as in, getting 100 points for $5, etc. However, there would be no DP accompanying it. There are a HUGE number of ideas out there to make more money, stabilize the economy, etc., you just gotta make it happen. -_-



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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:46:35
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well the points subject will not going to end soon unless ched or the admins does something good to balance up
we all know that there is no more points available on the market to buy and it will not going to be available soon.....we will only get points available only of few conditions like
1) a point holder looses a huge cash in bookies and then he is forced to sell up so that he can make more cash ( and if he sells up then he will sure choose his close frnds to sale it)
2) NPC starts selling points again
3) remove the points cap or set higher points cap so that atleast few points can be available to buy
4) not coming in mind at the moment...if u come idea let me know i will add up
so, admin plz give a think on it and give everyone a good option so that we can all enjoy
sorry for long post.......and torn is really doing greatz compared to other games.
and the gap between the rich or high stats player will never end...so its useless discussing on it.


I think removing the points cap, will be great for removing money from the economy, and free up some points (yes, expensive) but at least we'll be able to get at least some.

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:50:32
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How not?
It would create spaces on each page of the game that had an unrelated article on it. If the pages don't all follow exactly the same theme, and doesn't all stay related to the same subject, this will make the game seem highly unprofessional, especially for the newer players.
Think about it.
Log on, look at your home page, get distracted by an ad for whatever the ad may be, this could even make you navigate away from the website, and forget all about Torn.


You're missing the most critical part of ads these days... they [usually] open up into new windows/tabs... thus leaving the page they originally clicked alone and perfectly intact along with the session

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:50:37
What I don't get is if your saying you need people to pay for dps then it's not a free game you have to pay

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:52:49
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What I don't get is if your saying you need people to pay for dps then it's not a free game you have to pay


It is a free game though.
You don't need to pay to be able to play, ie. you don't need points to be able to play, or a dp to be able to play.
Yes, you need those to get ahead, but not to be able to play.
Its just a neat little advertising trick to make new players believe they won't be at a disadvantage if they don't put any money into the game and therefore attracting more new players to the game and thus more income for ched.

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:53:30
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How not?
It would create spaces on each page of the game that had an unrelated article on it. If the pages don't all follow exactly the same theme, and doesn't all stay related to the same subject, this will make the game seem highly unprofessional, especially for the newer players.
Think about it.
Log on, look at your home page, get distracted by an ad for whatever the ad may be, this could even make you navigate away from the website, and forget all about Torn.


You're missing the most critical part of ads these days... they [usually] open up into new windows/tabs... thus leaving the page they originally clicked alone and perfectly intact along with the session


That wasn't my main point, just an after thought.
My main point was that the ads would look unprofessional because of the reasons I stated above.

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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:53:40
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What I don't get is if your saying you need people to pay for dps then it's not a free game you have to pay


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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:56:12


Remove DP gains with points so people can buy points in market for refills.
It will sort itself out overtime, because this buying up of points is unreal impossible for normal players to even buy points.

On top of that the abuse people do by using point to hold/bank cash has to be noticed along with whatever solution you guys decide.

My 2 cents, thanks!





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