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bigjimmyauk
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:52:21
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By Queeg [1442683]
Why not just kill the ability to buy donator packs with points. That way you can bring back the NPC points and we can use refills again.
Also free players would be able to race too. Unless that was the intention of the 50 point licence. But that could be resolved by making the licence a donator reward. |
You said it right there obviously new race system requires 50 point licence and let me see npc point sellers removed at pretty much the same time,
i smell a big rat
come on ched you should have done this a couple of weeks ago or maybe a couple of weeks after the racing update doing it at the same time is gonna make people think you just want a quick fix of donations
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Kam
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:52:26
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ignore the whiners ched, you're doing a great job, believe it or not, people will always find an excuse to be a b*tch, there's really nothing that can be done. best thing to do is just carry on, torn seems to be fine atm..lol..i think.
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:52:46
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By bigjimmyauk [971079]
SO you've removed the ncp point sellers yet points still remain capped at $50,000 making it impossible for people to actually get points off the market thus forcing users pretty much to pay 5 real dollars to get 50 points it's kinda strange how this rolled out pretty much the same day as the new racing update which funnily enough required a 50 point licence to even start racing.
And you say your not in it for the money yeah right it was a obvious attempt to gouge real cash from users in a so called quick fix method using the new racing system.
i'd happily pay $5 a month to play if it stopped the price gouging of items, example the new astra gsi was being price gouged for 2-3 days at $5,000,000 when it's clearly only worth $100,000 tops.
What is happening to torn |
Yes... We introduced the racing with a cost of 50 points. To encourage more people to donate to meet our costs. What is the issue with this?
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bigjimmyauk
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:55:11
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By -Clansdancer [65306]
By bigjimmyauk [971079]
SO you've removed the ncp point sellers yet points still remain capped at $50,000 making it impossible for people to actually get points off the market thus forcing users pretty much to pay 5 real dollars to get 50 points it's kinda strange how this rolled out pretty much the same day as the new racing update which funnily enough required a 50 point licence to even start racing.
And you say your not in it for the money yeah right it was a obvious attempt to gouge real cash from users in a so called quick fix method using the new racing system.
i'd happily pay $5 a month to play if it stopped the price gouging of items, example the new astra gsi was being price gouged for 2-3 days at $5,000,000 when it's clearly only worth $100,000 tops.
What is happening to torn |
Yes... We introduced the racing with a cost of 50 points. To encourage more people to donate to meet our costs. What is the issue with this?
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because the way you did it is not a very good way off doing it it's basically a big FU to all the players we just need some real cash and quick.
i work in business and doing things this way has just made you look bad in the eyes of many people
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Glueshooter
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:55:15
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I lot of people forget that there never used to be an ncp supplying the market and we all coped then....it'll sort itself in the end.
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TearsOfBlood
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:55:32
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ive been playing this game for over 5 years now, honestly i have never payed for the game, but i dont expect any of it to be free and anyone who does is ignarent, you all have it easy now, money is so much easier to come by, and there have been a million updates, so stop complaining and play the game, and enjoy the luxeries you have
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MrJohnnyTorrio
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:55:34
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Ched, you are doing an outstanding job with this game. I have been here for a little more than five years now and, besides a few setbacks (Crash of 07, which was out of your control in the first place) you have done nothing but work to improve this game for everybody. Of course, and you know this, you cannot please one person without making another feel butt hurt.
I've personally donated somewhere in the range of 200-300 USD to this game because I love it and appreciate the updates and other improvements. I may not agree with some changes, but as said before, you can't please absolutely everyone, and it surely wont make me stop playing the game or stop donating.
Finally, although I would totally rock some stylish Torn merchandise, I don't think that could ever be a viable way for Torn to generate cashflow.
Just keep doing things the way you are, with points no longer readily available and prices of DP's skyrocketing, surely people will start buying DP's, either so they get Donator status or so they can sell em for decent in-game money.
You're doing a bang-up job Ched.
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:56:06
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By -Clansdancer [65306]
By bigjimmyauk [971079]
SO you've removed the ncp point sellers yet points still remain capped at $50,000 making it impossible for people to actually get points off the market thus forcing users pretty much to pay 5 real dollars to get 50 points it's kinda strange how this rolled out pretty much the same day as the new racing update which funnily enough required a 50 point licence to even start racing.
And you say your not in it for the money yeah right it was a obvious attempt to gouge real cash from users in a so called quick fix method using the new racing system.
i'd happily pay $5 a month to play if it stopped the price gouging of items, example the new astra gsi was being price gouged for 2-3 days at $5,000,000 when it's clearly only worth $100,000 tops.
What is happening to torn |
Yes... We introduced the racing with a cost of 50 points. To encourage more people to donate to meet our costs. What is the issue with this?
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Don't you see?
It's unfair if Chedburn is trying to make a living off this game! If anything he should be paying us!!!!!!!!1111!!one.!1
Take a look around, you're clearly new to business, as you can see all other major companies and games for that matter are not trying to make any profit at all.
On a serious note it seems that it's gotten to this common belief here that if Ched being a businessman is in anyway trying to make money then this is unfair. I personally don't understand.
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-Clansdancer
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:56:25
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By rabidherring [1025823]
A couple of point to mention here ched, firstly you need to appreciate a lot of the people complaining about updates being released behind schedual are doing it with tongue in cheek, we know you're not going to finish it on time and we're okay with it, we just like complaining.
Secondly I can see how you need money for servers, but incase you didn't realise you don't get that many points from donator packs, one donator pack gives you two days refils... do you realy expect people to buy a donator pack every other day? and if people do it will lead to everyone having a truly rediculous number of donator days. |
We're not forcing you to buy refills every day. We do not force anyone to do this.
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Saren_Arterius
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:56:35
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I honestly don't know why people are whining.
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:56:45
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By bigjimmyauk [971079]
By -Clansdancer [65306]
By bigjimmyauk [971079]
SO you've removed the ncp point sellers yet points still remain capped at $50,000 making it impossible for people to actually get points off the market thus forcing users pretty much to pay 5 real dollars to get 50 points it's kinda strange how this rolled out pretty much the same day as the new racing update which funnily enough required a 50 point licence to even start racing.
And you say your not in it for the money yeah right it was a obvious attempt to gouge real cash from users in a so called quick fix method using the new racing system.
i'd happily pay $5 a month to play if it stopped the price gouging of items, example the new astra gsi was being price gouged for 2-3 days at $5,000,000 when it's clearly only worth $100,000 tops.
What is happening to torn |
Yes... We introduced the racing with a cost of 50 points. To encourage more people to donate to meet our costs. What is the issue with this?
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because the way you did it is not a very good way off doing it it's basically a big FU to all the players we just need some real cash and quick.
i work in business and doing things this way has just made you look bad in the eyes of many people |
"Big Issue..Big issue..get your Big issue here"
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bigjimmyauk
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:57:01
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By Glueshooter [435835]
I lot of people forget that there never used to be an ncp supplying the market and we all coped then....it'll sort itself in the end. |
No it won't cause those people holding hundreds of thousands of points will now keep hold of them incase one day they release the 50k cap.
after doing this you should at least make the pawn shop(side door) crime a little easier or make it give a few more points for the risk.
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Leafeh
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:58:28
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By bigjimmyauk [971079]
By -Clansdancer [65306]
By bigjimmyauk [971079]
SO you've removed the ncp point sellers yet points still remain capped at $50,000 making it impossible for people to actually get points off the market thus forcing users pretty much to pay 5 real dollars to get 50 points it's kinda strange how this rolled out pretty much the same day as the new racing update which funnily enough required a 50 point licence to even start racing.
And you say your not in it for the money yeah right it was a obvious attempt to gouge real cash from users in a so called quick fix method using the new racing system.
i'd happily pay $5 a month to play if it stopped the price gouging of items, example the new astra gsi was being price gouged for 2-3 days at $5,000,000 when it's clearly only worth $100,000 tops.
What is happening to torn |
Yes... We introduced the racing with a cost of 50 points. To encourage more people to donate to meet our costs. What is the issue with this?
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because the way you did it is not a very good way off doing it it's basically a big FU to all the players we just need some real cash and quick.
i work in business and doing things this way has just made you look bad in the eyes of many people |
And I take it your business is failing very badly yes with it not trying to make any profit n all?
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Leafeh
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 16:59:48
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By bigjimmyauk [971079]
By Glueshooter [435835]
I lot of people forget that there never used to be an ncp supplying the market and we all coped then....it'll sort itself in the end. |
No it won't cause those people holding hundreds of thousands of points will now keep hold of them incase one day they release the 50k cap.
after doing this you should at least make the pawn shop(side door) crime a little easier or make it give a few more points for the risk. |
Why? So the games easier for you and you don't have to spend RL money?
Do you want people to wipe your ass for you too?
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Lady_Wyrd
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:00:21
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I understand that Torn needs money to run, and this comes from donaters, however it is now extremely difficult to get points now, and the 50 from dp's only equals two days of refills.
Perhaps Dp's could just go to something like 250 or 500 points to buy- or even remove buying dp's with points and allow the NPC's to still put some points into the system.
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MrJohnnyTorrio
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:00:48
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By Saren_Arterius [1001196]
I honestly don't know why people are whining. |
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pcplod
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:02:15
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keep up the excellant work m8 i think everyone should buy a donator pack at least 1 time
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Banana
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:04:27
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I don't see anything wrong with what ched did.. I don't understand why people seem to think that ched and the other full time employees should work for free and live in cardboard boxes. Especially when they spend countless hours working on this game so that everyone can play play it and enjoy it. The game will all but disappear if it takes enough losses as there is no point in running it and nobody can work for free. We all want updates to the game but I can tell you right now that nobody is going to write the code in a timely manner unless they're making money doing it. I don't understand where everyone in this bloody game gets their sense of self entitlement from. You can't help anyone in this game without them demanding you give them everything you have.
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:04:34
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yes take the point cap off it will stabilize everything ;p
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:05:33
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For 6 years or so.. the older players were able to do easy refills and thereby gain more stats. What about the younger players now? Don't they get an equal share.
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bigjimmyauk
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:06:44
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By kittywarrior [1109453]
yes take the point cap off it will stabilize everything ;p |
no it won't
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:07:49
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Rich people making large factions, giving donatorship to new players via faction points bought from the NPC. Its hardly surprising the NPC points needed to be removed.
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bigjimmyauk
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:07:51
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By -War-Machine- [1015980]
For 6 years or so.. the older players were able to do easy refills and thereby gain more stats. What about the younger players now? Don't they get an equal share. |
nope the younger players get screwed over even more
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ShaneWalsh
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:09:07
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so basicaly you removed the idea of removing the ability to buy donaotr packs and just remove points intirly cut out the middle man as it where
here is a tip
bring back the damn points they are allmost as important as cash
stop the ability to buy donator packs with points maybe pilot scheme having no ability to sell them over a cap of 10mill and see how that goes
right now its just ridiculess i have over 15billion and yet i find it imposible to get my hands on just a few god damn points
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vladd
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:09:47
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I don't have so much of an issue with the removal of points from the point market but rather with the unfair and incorrect way in which it was implemented: at a random time, by surprise and unannounced.
Therefore people remained with the points in that moment of time T, and you make it pretty much a matter of luck how many points each person got at that time in their account.
How could you do it more fair, but still encourage donations?
- remove the $50'000 per point cap in the market. Otherwise in addition to tcbasic.com you'll soon have a new website which will be an unofficial points market for players fed up to use the Trading forum as a manual work-around for this. Ok, points will be more expensive. So what, people can still buy Donor Packs, they're just more expensive, do the same for the points system. You already removed Anonymous-provided points, be fair and make a fair market for the points already in circulation.
- provide some announcement for this (I guess everybody found out), and then, with the above limitation removed, decrease the amount of points posted by Anonymous over a period of 2-3 months, each day less and less, with proper heads-up and giving everybody a chance to adapt to the new world.
One of the reasons I play Torn is staff's commitment to fairness and the zero-tolerance policy in regard to bugs abuse. This gave me a feeling of fairness and therefore Torn was something I wanted to invest my time on. Please don't take that away and consider the above changes.
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Pawsy
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:09:57
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what a lot of you don't seem to realise is that torn.com is a business
a lot of you seem to think ched just strolls around the office in a real fur coat with a cuban cigar and 2 barely dressed latino women on either side of him
yet his job from what i can see, is depressingly hard
not only does he have to oversee every tiny activity that happens in game, he also has to battle with the shit that keeps it running
as for the points market and donator crap, there's a balance that needs to be found, to keep the in-game economy flowing, and to keep the cogs turning, both of which have an adverse effect on the other
at the end of the day, sit back shut up and let the man and the rest of the staff get on with their jobs and do the best they can, it's far from an easy task, they don't need a load of over weight middle-aged spongers living off their mothers telling them that they're lazy
gah i hate the internet.. should have a weight restriction and necessity of a stable income to access it, that would make it so much more enjoyable
imagine it.. a place full of real people, instead of the idiots that think they are god because they know c++ and where to get the best torrents from
common sense and street sense is so much more valuable than the majority of education, i find it makes people so much more social and easier to talk to, and happier for the most part
oh, and, before i forget, don't comment on this telling me to stop playing if i don't like the people
i have
i only come on once or twice a week to train and talk to the small handful of people on here worth talking to
i honestly believe the major downfall of this game is the majority of players who value themselves higher than the average joe
grow up.
i enjoyed that rant..
you're all c**ts
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Hunter_Pman
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:10:22
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Ched, you speak of TC and it's income as a business. I am indeed sure that it has been a (very lucrative) business for you and I'm not even going to say you're wrong if you try to make this game continue to create cash on the positive side. Who wouldn't if they owned a game like this...
However do not try to reflect a recent loss of income on us, the users. The only reason why buying DP's for real money has been decreasing is because you have let that happen. And of course people moan when you try to take away a privilege that you allowed them to gain for free in the past. But that is something you should have forseen.
About ETA's: why even bother explaining over and over again that they are not a promise. Us the oldtimers already know that, back in the days when you did actually stated in which month which updates would be brought out, the actual year of that happening never got mentioned. Eventually one by one they'll get the picture how updates work. And besides, I rather have 1 decent update once a while instead of a dozen all at once. Keeping the release dates a mystery gives us more room to speculate and be merry about it when it actually happens.
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Gurion
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:11:10
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Your doing a good job Ched, only the snobs who don't want to waste JUST $5 are mad and multis, restarters etc..
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MrJohnnyTorrio
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:15:15
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By Hunter_Pman [51808]
About ETA's: why even bother explaining over and over again that they are not a promise. Us the oldtimers already know that, back in the days when you did actually stated in which month which updates would be brought out, the actual year of that happening never got mentioned. Eventually one by one they'll get the picture how updates work. And besides, I rather have 1 decent update once a while instead of a dozen all at once. Keeping the release dates a mystery gives us more room to speculate and be merry about it when it actually happens. |
That cracked me up. 
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Posted on Sat Oct 02, 2010 17:16:09
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By bigjimmyauk [971079]
By -War-Machine- [1015980]
For 6 years or so.. the older players were able to do easy refills and thereby gain more stats. What about the younger players now? Don't they get an equal share. |
nope the younger players get screwed over even more |
and why shouldn't they? Should new players get it super easy and have loads of perks? - no. So Stfu.
Its turds like you lot that want all the fun and challenge taken out of the game. I for one don't want it to be an easy ride and need no effort.
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