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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:00:11
im surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet... almost all of the other threads that are on this subject have been locked...

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:02:41
Man Valesh, after reading all this it is most obvious you are being railroaded, I have never in my almost 5 years of playing seen such a lack of rightful duty by the admins, and I have seen some shady shit from them over the years, but this takes the cake....
You were ripped off no 2 ways about it, and i feel sorry that this has happened to you and that the admins decide to sit on their f*cking hands and do nothing, if i didn't know better I'd say they were in on it somehow, this isn't a couple mil that someone can recoup over a short period of time, this is a massive amount of money that takes a lifetime for some, and an unobtainable amount for others.

Why have staff at all anymore?
All you are doing is making this game so staff have nothing to do, but there is a a major flaw in that, I'll just use the old saying "idle hands are the devils playground".
If they have no duties we become the ants under the magnifying glass to cure their boredom.

Is this not a City? is this not suppose to be a place where citizens can live and prosper? Sure with any city there are illegal activities, but there are also POLICE to take care of these criminals, hell if everything is going to be legal you might as well get rid of the TC jail altogether and let us get away with our daily crimes with no risk.
This seems to be the theme, pretty soon you'll have no one living in Torn except the scammers and ripoff artists.
Staff how about do your JOB.
I can understand making scamming legal, I don't agree with it, but i understand it as long long as the trade function is in place, no one needs to get scammed as long as you stick to trading...BUT, with factions you must be able to rely on others to run a faction smoothly, and should not be penalized for having to rely on others and then get ripped off by them.
What do you propose? take away the co-leader position and and treasury managers altogether? because the way i understand it if you use these functions and get ripped off, its your own fault?.....puulease.

Valesh i know i don't know you but I'm about as honest as a person can get and it eats me up to see that this has been done to you, if there is anything that Myself or The 420 Inc. can do for you or Affliction, just let me know.

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:03:47
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you are arguing that. 'we', me and that other guy, which convo you just disrupted were discussing something else.
who's the dick again?


You are!
And since the smart remark of the stock benefits that keeps your money away from being hijacked, do you also know how much time and money you have to invest for that benefit?!
smart ass!


wow...so you're saying a guy with 194bil can't spare 1.5bil to keep the rest completely safe? and insist I'm a dick?


Yea dude, are you calling him a dick? He is from PT, he is obviously just an idiot.

God i love hall of fame factions =p


who are you again?
besides being a nobody what do you know about anything?


Just because I'm on a new account doesn't mean i don't know anything = ) in fact I'm pretty sure i know a lot more than you do lol

Don't you have some exams or something you gotta pass?


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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:07:41
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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:08:54
By Valesh [96818]
Name: JusticeR [65023] [Offline] [Male] [Donator]
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Finally. Hopefully you'll get some resolution out of this.

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:10:36
:P YAY... now about all the rest of it...

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:11:17
Well about F*cking time!
I hope your money is recovered as well Valesh.

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:11:49
i hope so too... wipe the smile off of those assholes...

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:14:33
By Chelios [1381155]
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you are arguing that. 'we', me and that other guy, which convo you just disrupted were discussing something else.
who's the dick again?


You are!
And since the smart remark of the stock benefits that keeps your money away from being hijacked, do you also know how much time and money you have to invest for that benefit?!
smart ass!


wow...so you're saying a guy with 194bil can't spare 1.5bil to keep the rest completely safe? and insist I'm a dick?


Yea dude, are you calling him a dick? He is from PT, he is obviously just an idiot.

God i love hall of fame factions =p


so you're saying all PT are idiots ?

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:15:40
By TomasPT [676400]
By Chelios [1381155]
By Spurtung [96875]
By qDogg [89232]
you are arguing that. 'we', me and that other guy, which convo you just disrupted were discussing something else.
who's the dick again?


You are!
And since the smart remark of the stock benefits that keeps your money away from being hijacked, do you also know how much time and money you have to invest for that benefit?!
smart ass!


wow...so you're saying a guy with 194bil can't spare 1.5bil to keep the rest completely safe? and insist I'm a dick?


Yea dude, are you calling him a dick? He is from PT, he is obviously just an idiot.

God i love hall of fame factions =p


so you're saying all PT are idiots ?


i think hes saying that Spurtung is an idiot for being in PT...

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:16:50
Anybody who would follow The_Storm is an idiot. =p That's just my opinion.


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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:21:32
By Chelios [1381155]
By Spurtung [96875]
By Chelios [1381155]
By Spurtung [96875]
By qDogg [89232]
you are arguing that. 'we', me and that other guy, which convo you just disrupted were discussing something else.
who's the dick again?


You are!
And since the smart remark of the stock benefits that keeps your money away from being hijacked, do you also know how much time and money you have to invest for that benefit?!
smart ass!


wow...so you're saying a guy with 194bil can't spare 1.5bil to keep the rest completely safe? and insist I'm a dick?


Yea dude, are you calling him a dick? He is from PT, he is obviously just an idiot.

God i love hall of fame factions =p


who are you again?
besides being a nobody what do you know about anything?


Just because I'm on a new account doesn't mean i don't know anything = ) in fact I'm pretty sure i know a lot more than you do lol

Don't you have some exams or something you gotta pass?


nop, I managed this and my exams, no problem.
go find someone to scam an oil rig or something. I'm sure you'll manage just fine

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:22:37
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Anybody who would follow The_Storm is an idiot. =p That's just my opinion.


right. because being in the same faction means you follow people:|o

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:24:01
By Valesh [96818]
Name: JusticeR [65023] [Offline] [Male] [Donator]

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YAY! that almost gets your money back!

now attack again, use a HEG this time

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:31:06
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Name: JusticeR [65023] [Offline] [Male] [Donator]

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YAY! that almost gets your money back!

now attack again, use a HEG this time


GTFO! seriously you are retarded i swear

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:37:36
Someone hit with a Kick to the stomach for 312045 damage
Someone mugged DarkGinger for $4,224

that was well worth it... im sure...

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:41:09
By Valesh [96818]
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one step closer. lets finish this up so we can put this whole ordeal behind us.


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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:42:12
By Valesh [96818]
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Age: 1833 days
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about time! Hope you get the money back Valesh

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:50:21
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These steps have been put in to action for many reasons. Mainly:

lazyness

Many thanks.




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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:57:49
wow great job everyone...awesome muggings...xP

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 15:59:39
to whichever admin stepped up thank you!

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:02:03
DID VALESH GET HIS CASH BACK

Last Edited: Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:03:03
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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:02:25
as much as possible raise the punishment..thank you indeed for stepping up adminz...great job

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:03:08
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to whichever admin stepped up thank you!


It was Clansdancer, theres a thread about it in General Discussion... lol

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:16:08
I think thats a good rule for us non-scammers so we dont get scmmed but there will be complaints about it though.


But all i all i think its good so we dont get scammed:)

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:32:23
Good plan Factions had beeter keep tabs on members now Ha good luck

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:39:01
wow...so you're saying a guy with 194bil can't spare 1.5bil to keep the rest completely safe? and insist I'm a dick?

Listen you moron, just because you have 99999 zillion doesnt mean you have to spend any cents on some crappy stock that gives you a benefit after X number of days when you could simply enjoy that benefit by keeping your money in your faction.
But of course you are way too slow to think about it that way. Go ahead be a dick all you want. Im done talking to you.

Now this shit is over and Im glad for Valesh. Justice has been served and he surely disurves it for all the crap he's been through.

Thanks to that admin who had the balls to do what was obviously right and shame on those who made stupid affirmations about Valesh.

Hmmm, so back to our homes aight... at least I'm done with riots today


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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:39:57
No wonder Torn is falling at APEX and the other rating sites. I guess I can do without the weekly point so I will no longer be voting for Torn City.....but I will still be voting!!

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. There's always time to do it right because there is never time to do it over.
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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:41:18
Good that Valesh is getting his cash back, now onto the more important matter and keeping this scamming law on factions. This move will only mean that its even more difficult to trust people. The law kept people trustworthy as they would rather not be in fed and there were no gains from stealing (all cash would be sent back and you would get fed time). Now new people will never been trustworthy as there is no policy to keep people trustworthy. From the now 400 - thumbs down its clear Ched has made a big mistake. Sadly I doubt he will do the correct and right thing and cancel the change in rules, it would show a sign of weakness to us. He made the wrong move and now is stuck with it. Once a staff member or two are affected by this im sure the rule will be considered to be brought back again.

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Posted on Mon Jun 07, 2010 16:41:51
This update clearly wasn't well thought out.

There are MANY MANY better ways to deal with this issue then this,

Make it so people can only take out what they have put in..

Make an extra confirmation screen.

Both of these would be ALOT better then making faction theft legal



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