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ReeferMan

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:23:50
Faction's bank should be a safe place for preventing mugs. I think Valesh should have his money back, and the ppl who did that be punished.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:25:26
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Valesh did NOT give permission. Read the thread. The banker is no different than the "banker" that was a faction member. Valesh was not married to him so it has nothing to do with being is wife. It was a faction member.

You and sandbox should go play in the sandbox with eachother. You two might like it.



by making someone co-leader you that means they have access to your cash funds....everyone knows that. That means he gave to ok for him to access the cash, if your not going to give that ok to someone then you don't make them co-leader.

please D3adly don't make me beat your brains in on a one hitter again for like the 96th time!


Do it ho I don't think you have the balls.

Also he was NOT co leader. So you don't know what the hell you are talking about yet again.

He was give "Access" which is different than giving someone permission to take or give out money that does not belong to them.

Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:30:05
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If you give someone access to the faction bank you implicitly give them permission to all the cash in it.

Yes it was wrong of him to take it but I'm not sure that it's something that should be banned by the game rules.

Maybe it's time to increase the size of personal vaults so that people can be responsible for their own cash or has been previously suggested make it imposable for anyone apart from the leader and Co to remove more than they have put in.


I disagree. Giving someone bank acces does NOT give them permission to take all the money from the faction and do what they wish with it.

If I gave you my company credit card to use for company expenses, just cause you have the card and ability to use it does NOT mean you have permission to strip my company of all it's funds and max out the company credit card.

Also, if you read the games rules highlighted by Valesh and myself in earlier post, they DID break game rules, take advantage of loopholes, and SHOULD be fedded. Rules are rules.


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:30:37
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on the up side if theres less rules for them to enforce theres less need for staff and less chance of them abusing their position and knowledge gained from it.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:39:43
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All you company owners can probably look forward to a mass exodus of rich players who are working for you, as they'll be forced to buy their own company to store their billions in now.

If that's what you intended, Ched, good job. Otherwise, pretty terrible decision you've made, in my opinion.


You can still lose all your money storing it in a company (via hackers)... So it is still not safe... You'd be better off buying yourself a new Faction.


At least then you'd know to expect it. But good point. I guess there will be a lot of one-man factions out there because there sure isn't anywhere else for people to put it for safekeeping.


Exactly


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:39:52
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Valesh did NOT give permission. Read the thread. The banker is no different than the "banker" that was a faction member. Valesh was not married to him so it has nothing to do with being is wife. It was a faction member.

You and sandbox should go play in the sandbox with eachother. You two might like it.



by making someone co-leader you that means they have access to your cash funds....everyone knows that. That means he gave to ok for him to access the cash, if your not going to give that ok to someone then you don't make them co-leader.

please D3adly don't make me beat your brains in on a one hitter again for like the 96th time!


Do it ho I don't think you have the balls.

Also he was NOT co leader. So you don't know what the hell you are talking about yet again.

He was give "Access" which is different than giving someone permission to take or give out money that does not belong to them.


well said d3adly. this is garbage.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:42:15
Damn i have so much to say but i'll read along and see how this incident turns ouT,

So far what i comprehend is that ched say that this game is like real life and stuff and then turn n say scamming is legal its totally contradictory to his scheme.

I understand that the game is still not perfected but you still need to keep your focus on player's concern.

Honestly there alot of people playing this game and are addicted due to competitive nature and when scams like this happens it turns people mind away from the game and you lose players from joining, cuz its now to a point where me you anyone can scam andy get away with it

you're just gonna lose the integrity of the game and will lose players so seriously this is a really shitty gam...eh em update




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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:44:46
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This whole thing is especially heinous because it in part hinged upon knowingly taking advantage of the fact that Val is serving overseas and would be guaranteed unable to access his account for extended periods of time.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:47:01
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:47:04
Typical staff!

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Read this: www.ennitti.com/statement/


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:50:19
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Typical staff!

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Hahaha I love that pic

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Lets boycott

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:53:56
Surely the reaction from a vast majority of players tells you something Ched.....man up



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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:56:33
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Sandbox, just stfu for cris sake. You know nothing about how the rule works, and are a complete idiot of idiots...


Yes I know , I mean look at my progress of this game. I've done so horrible .. .. .



You found the item Boxing Gloves while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Parachute while walking around the city!


I wouldn't say you've done great either. Just a few lucky finds and instant billionaire.

Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:57:55
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on the up side if theres less rules for them to enforce theres less need for staff and less chance of them abusing their position and knowledge gained from it.


Thanks for the new sig

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:58:32
Sad...do the right thing and return the cash before you change the rules.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:59:03
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Sandbox, just stfu for cris sake. You know nothing about how the rule works, and are a complete idiot of idiots...


Yes I know , I mean look at my progress of this game. I've done so horrible .. .. .



You found the item Boxing Gloves while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Parachute while walking around the city!


I wouldn't say you've done great either. Just a few lucky finds and instant billionaire.



Sorry deadly,
but he has earned it...
He has bought many items/sold it
tens of thousands
And has done wise bets and so on.

Just because you found stuff doesn't mean that is what pushed you forward. Sure it helps, but you have to use it wisely and invest it or you will lose it all.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 21:59:42
Why don't you take the time to impliment a system that prevents this scam? As apposed to just backing down and saying "deal with it".

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:05:40
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Why don't you take the time to impliment a system that prevents this scam? As apposed to just backing down and saying "deal with it".


Because he doesn't tend to listen to the players' suggestions/thoughts

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:08:28
Idiotic decision. Scamming should be illegal in all areas of the game, and certainly in factions. It takes you a long time to sort out faction scams? What kind of an excuse is that? Its your job to make sure this game is in the important was fair. If people lose hundreds of millions because you are too lazy to do your job then you will see alot of people quit this game.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:12:50
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Idiotic decision. Scamming should be illegal in all areas of the game, and certainly in factions. It takes you a long time to sort out faction scams? What kind of an excuse is that? Its your job to make sure this game is in the important was fair. If people lose hundreds of millions because you are too lazy to do your job then you will see alot of people quit this game.


Beautifull said, i couldn't have put it better (was too lazy lol)




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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:13:59
Also you have polls on things like a new faction system, giving users the choice on if it happens or not, but you do something like this with no poll whatsoever. Just shows that you only do polls on things you know what the outcome will be. If you did a poll of this its quite clear it wouldnt be allowed to happen. Complete joke.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:15:11
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Faction scamming legal = BS !

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:18:31
Seriously,
what are Thread Ratings for if they are just going to be ignored?


Completely Pointless

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:20:04
The main point I can see here is whether giving somebodies own money to them, to get them mugged is faction theft or not.

Is faction theft stealing from the faction 'building' or is it from the faction as an entity?
Most people would class mugging as stealing, in Torn - legal stealing, but still a theft.

Also, to say that giving someone access means you give them permission to the money, I'd argue that in the old rules regular faction theft was down to taking out more money than a user has permission too.

Just a few thoughts, which I haven't written down very well. :/

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:22:11
By TuS-dFecTd- [1006280]
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By Sandbox [1393602]
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Sandbox, just stfu for cris sake. You know nothing about how the rule works, and are a complete idiot of idiots...


Yes I know , I mean look at my progress of this game. I've done so horrible .. .. .



You found the item Boxing Gloves while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Skateboard while walking around the city!
You found the item Parachute while walking around the city!


I wouldn't say you've done great either. Just a few lucky finds and instant billionaire.



Sorry deadly,
but he has earned it...
He has bought many items/sold it
tens of thousands
And has done wise bets and so on.

Just because you found stuff doesn't mean that is what pushed you forward. Sure it helps, but you have to use it wisely and invest it or you will lose it all.


mate... do you pushing deadly or sandbox? because deadly is just pointing the sandbox city finding.. read more mate..

IMO valesh is at the right point, pointing this out.. i know something like this will happen, i never banked all my stupid bookie,RR,Drug runs,etc into the faction after i look and thinking about doing this loophole..i just trust my PI, spouse, bank, and GOD for my whole money in this game...

Torn is the first web game i played that give the scammer a freedom to STEAL


if ched doesnt do anything to &quot;Fixed&quot; the Valesh thingy...
for sure this game will be not interested again if this keep like this..

i just know some people that i can trust, i cant started to trust anybody.. even when he give me 1b.. i would not start to trust anybody... what's the point of playing alone? nobody can play alone mate..

CMIIW

*plz dont comment about the stupid thing such as Grammatical error, etc.. make a comment to help and teach another people.. dont write the stupid comment

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:22:14
Here is a suggestion (omg took me 5 mins to think of it!!) why not appoint staff to deal with scamming ONLY!! WOW really heavy thinking that

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:24:42
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well its obvios staff atm cant be trusted lol


You see Ched? This is the sort of feeling that will be created by this decision... is this really something you want? The fix is so simple, and you already have the code:

"You have been given $90,000,000,000 from your faction. Click here to accept it"


epic win.


probable solution.




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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:26:12
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well its obvios staff atm cant be trusted lol


You see Ched? This is the sort of feeling that will be created by this decision... is this really something you want? The fix is so simple, and you already have the code:

"You have been given $90,000,000,000 from your faction. Click here to accept it"


epic win.


probable solution.


gimme 90b... might be i will started to trusted you and let you become my next Co-Leader

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:28:27
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Here is a suggestion (omg took me 5 mins to think of it!!) why not appoint staff to deal with scamming ONLY!! WOW really heavy thinking that


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 22:29:05
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Staff will be removing any affiliation with faction scamming. They will not step forward in any way. If a co-leader steals the faction bank, staff will not jail anyone and will not credit anyone.

This will start on the 12th of June. Please make sure you fully trust everyone who has access to your faction bank. We're giving you this week to prepare.

Please note, currently anyone who steals from a faction will receive a federal jail sentence, until the 12th of June.

These steps have been put in to action for many reasons. Mainly:

We do not take any action against company scamming, why factions?
The huge difficulty staff go through to resolve these issues.
The instant by-passing of warnings.
The inability to determine who owns the money.
The loopholes around this rule.

The deterrents should be player-made. If someone steals from you, you make them pay yourself.

Many thanks.


Check the ratings mate

Not good feedback?
Time for some revision?

You can easilly add an option to disallow faction co-leaders from giving items.

eg:

[] Tick to disallow co-leader from giving out money
[] Tick to disallow co-leader from giving out armour
[] Tick to disallow co-leader from giving out weapons
[] Tick to disallow co-leader from giving out medical items

Giving is NOT lending.

This would solve everything.
If leader gets scammed because they did not tick, then their loss.

Please quote this everyone



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