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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 19:42:16
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So if they vault was increased to no maximum deposit would everyone then still be complaining?


it would stop some but then again think how long it would take to actually institute this would give scammers a few months to still steal from factions

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 19:56:00
dont like

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:02:04
Its not hard to get some one you trust. Most big players have players in there faction that are richer than them anyway just make them co-leader.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:03:11
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Also does this mean that those currently in fed for faction scamming are to be released?


Yes , basically it's still punishable until June 12th ..

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Please note, currently anyone who steals from a faction will receive a federal jail sentence, until the 12th of June.


I think you've misinterpreted, Faction scammers will RECEIVE Federal jail sentences until the 12th, meaning the Sentences will not end on the 12th, but will be "delivered" until the 12th. Confusing?


Did you even read what I said properly ?.


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:08:07
so bad

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:09:21
staff are busy they got more important things to deal with than people who cant get decent trustworthy people to be there co-leader and managers.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:11:58
Young_Blaze for staff!! At least then we would know to expect a screwing.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:11:59
such as

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:13:04
I still do not fully understand why action has not been taken against JusticeR for this. Even IF this is deemed to not be direct theft it is at the [/b] minimum[/b] abusing a loophole in the system which is still against the rules last time i checked.

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Failing to report a fluke/loophole in the game and taking advantage of it is forbidden.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:16:30
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I still do not fully understand why action has not been taken against JusticeR for this. Even IF this is deemed to not be direct theft it is at the [/b] minimum[/b] abusing a loophole in the system which is still against the rules last time i checked.

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Failing to report a fluke/loophole in the game and taking advantage of it is forbidden.


There's no proof of him trying to abuse a loophole , only hearsay.
Staff cannot continue based on that.

And JusticeR did return the Valesh's share of the money , which set him free from being convicted as faction theif.

Anything beyond that must have evidence.


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:19:06
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Is there any information at which point members of the staff became complicit in the mugging? Do the logs show whether it was before or after help was requested?


I'm guessing that there were no conversation between the co-leader and the mugger , which made it hard for staff to judge it.

Probably there were a convo made outside torn , but whatever cannot be proven , cannot continue.


So, just return the money, but fed no one.


Why ? The mugger earned it. He mugged Valesh and that was his reward for mugging. It's not against the rules to mug someone.


Mugging someone isn't against the rules. Guess what though, faction theft IS against the rules jerkoff.

Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:20:04
such a failure on this game maybe change the bank around so we can add and remove money without putting it in cods instead so we have somewhere safe for our cash. Even make it cost something if need be to remove some inflation

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:22:01
Well this is just gonna end up with people joining up to do mass organised crimes to fleece factions of their cash....
other than this update all the others have been quality

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:30:49
Quite easy to fix...how about:

You have been given 100,000,000 from your faction, click here to accept.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:30:49
i thing the rating speaks for it self...

very bad idea this one...

Sorry Ched, you missed this time..

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:32:20
By shadowice [1346279]
such a failure on this game maybe change the bank around so we can add and remove money without putting it in cods instead so we have somewhere safe for our cash. Even make it cost something if need be to remove some inflation


Try get a vault, you can remove and put money in there any time.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:33:24
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By shadowice [1346279]
such a failure on this game maybe change the bank around so we can add and remove money without putting it in cods instead so we have somewhere safe for our cash. Even make it cost something if need be to remove some inflation


Try get a vault, you can remove and put money in there any time.


vaults don't hold enough money for most people

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:40:34
So it will be even easier for people to make money with multis. Well done.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:43:25
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I only have about 4 billion in my faction bank and in no way would I ever allow anyone to have access to it, Hence why I don't have a co-leader. Obviously you were not to smart nor did youknow this person well enough to trust them to have access. Kinda dumb to give somone access to 90 billion!!!! I mean looka t real life, most people are not thiefs but if they found 10 million cash in a suitcase how many would turn it in......its hard to resist and any normal logical thinking person understands this



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Valesh allows a couple of the members to use it as a personal bank too. Alongside us being aggressive and needing to supply funds when needed (points, vico etc) when we chain, but ofcourse you don't need that because you're sleeping in a peaceful faction who do nothing but run OCs (a 1 man job. REAL team effort there !)


Yes that is what my faction does and last time I checked there is not a single OC that requires just 1 man??? So you need 90 billion for pts,VICO,etc??? As you said I know nothing but if I ran a faction like that I would simply give the people who need it a couple million or even 10 million to keep in there vault, this way they had access to stuff, and I am sure Valesh would be on in time to replensih there funds before they burned 10 mil on vicodin & pts

But again what do I know other then being logical

Its so simple guys, really is! all you have to do is think.........The bottom line is he got lazy/annoyed with being bothered witht he daily grind.....He git burned cuz of it.....

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:43:41
yeah more war with player:)

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:47:09
By R3ignInBl0od [250497]
By MattyB [207347]
So if they vault was increased to no maximum deposit would everyone then still be complaining?


it would stop some but then again think how long it would take to actually institute this would give scammers a few months to still steal from factions


Im sure it could be done in 5 mins if they wanted to do it.


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:48:10
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Is there any information at which point members of the staff became complicit in the mugging? Do the logs show whether it was before or after help was requested?


I'm guessing that there were no conversation between the co-leader and the mugger , which made it hard for staff to judge it.

Probably there were a convo made outside torn , but whatever cannot be proven , cannot continue.


So, just return the money, but fed no one.


Why ? The mugger earned it. He mugged Valesh and that was his reward for mugging. It's not against the rules to mug someone.


Mugging someone isn't against the rules. Guess what though, faction theft IS against the rules jerkoff.


And the money WAS returned , duh.
And now it's mugged , therefore they cannot be returned.


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:48:23
By MobzZ [1194375]
By Thee_KING [50716]
people not that diffucult, if you don't want your stuff/money/company/anything else stolen do not give anyone access.

really not hard!

thats the way i played from day one and it is simple. Only people I would ever give access is family or friends who live near me, if they ever stole I simply would go meet them in person and force them to give it back, other then that just don't give access!


So that mean TORN is a online game for your real life friends and family to trust? lol

My advice to you is understand the situation first then only give some comment on it. Just like the other noobtards


Oh i don't understand except the fact i amtwice your level?? you proved my point, wow another one from that faction who doesn't think.....no wonder.

Here let me explain, well actually I can't because I have no idea what your trying to say with "So that mean TORN is a online game for your real life friends and family to trust? lol"

But i think saying it is online and I would not trust anyone online unless I had a personal relationship with them offline. Look what people do online when they don;t have to show there face, you think someone stealing some fake online tc dollars is going to think twice.

So my advice to you is to think and you won't get scammed like all the other noobtards as you call them (even when i was a noob I never got scammed lol)


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:48:34
By Sandbox [1393602]
By The_Grapist [1290007]
I still do not fully understand why action has not been taken against JusticeR for this. Even IF this is deemed to not be direct theft it is at the [/b] minimum[/b] abusing a loophole in the system which is still against the rules last time i checked.

Game Bug Abuse
Failing to report a fluke/loophole in the game and taking advantage of it is forbidden.


There's no proof of him trying to abuse a loophole , only hearsay.
Staff cannot continue based on that.

And JusticeR did return the Valesh's share of the money , which set him free from being convicted as faction theif.

Anything beyond that must have evidence.


Returned my cash? Are you more then half-way retarded?

Nothing was returned. He stole it from my faction and sent it to me when I was offline, plain and simple.

Get your factions straight.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:49:14
people have been playing chineese whispers

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:50:33
I rated - on this. It does makes sense in one way, but still something should be done.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:50:37
Bottom line is: It's wrong. There have been numerous accounts of proving Valesh in the right. Staff claims to have discussed this for 4 hours... So nearly 5 years of busting butt is boiled down to a 4 hour discussion between everybody except Valesh.

I hope the next time you put in close to 5 years of time, effort, and money into something, you realize how insignificant 4 hours may be. What a consolation... That's like spending an entire day working on a paper for class, and the professor looks at it for EIGHT seconds and fails you without a chance to explain your reasoning. The very least that could have been done was to delay a ruling.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:54:05
No complains here ^^ Let those pay who tries to checkout everyone elses paychecks!

Checkout my bazaar people! xD

http://www.torn.com/#/forums.php?forumID=4&ID=10637932 is my thread about bazaars.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:54:19
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By MattyB [207347]
So if they vault was increased to no maximum deposit would everyone then still be complaining?


it would stop some but then again think how long it would take to actually institute this would give scammers a few months to still steal from factions


Im sure it could be done in 5 mins if they wanted to do it.


yea if they wanted but how tc runs it will take a few month minimum

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 20:54:24
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hehe everyone knew that you would totally remove the rule


I bet plenty of people were expecting this to get fixed.

But I knew this was most likely going to happen.

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