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amberr
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:25:57
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I've always said from day. 1 staff are lazy and only help them selves or friends ched doesn't care about the players as long as the money still comes which it does so he can't be asked to deal with the problem so he thinks to himself hell I'm not losing any thing just make faction theft legal its not like his staff friend's were affected by this so why should he or they care as it doesn't affect them and if it did theu money would have been returned already and sif and justicer already deleted
Fact is staff can't be asked to do the work they applied for simple
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Rattis
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:27:43
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Whats the difference between what happened to valesh and say. someone selling 1000 points on the points market, someone buying those points then going off and mugging the person they brought them from.
Or
preying on people who have bidded on expensive items on the auction house.
If it was planned, it worked well.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:28:06
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lmao very nice post and lots of great points about staffs inability to do there job and the fact they dont want to enforce the rules
the crock that it was given to valesh so its not a theft is a shit excuse it is like me having 50 multis all with the same ip and saying it wasnt me i live alone but it wasnt me
the fact set staff mugged valesh as well goes to show you the calibre of the staff we have in place at the moment
there inability to act or enforce rules and blatent disregard of the rules to line there own pockets
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So your sayin because someone is staff they are not allowed to attack and mug people. |
im saying if you take an issue to staff like this there obliged to help you by enforcing the rules that is there job
they turned a blind eye to request to deal with it and simply jumped on the bandwagon and lined there own corrupt pockets
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I say what i think
So why sugar coat it...
Yes your a retard no i dont have your crayons
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Kancer
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:28:32
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In a game based on commiting crimes....
You're really going to complain when getting ripped off by another player? You have got to be joking me.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:29:37
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Hmm..
Theft from faction bank/armoury
Taking cash/points/items in a faction without the leaders approval, gaining leadership under false pretenses and refusing to return control of the faction to the rightful leader etc.
This is what exactly happened here. I saw a couple of Staff members having arguments with Valesh over this point.
Their statement was: "they didnt steal anything, they gave someone there own cash"
Now that rule doesn't states that after taking the cash they keep it with them or give it to someone else. The said person took out the cash without Leader's approval, so basic requirements for rule breaking have been met.
In some previous threads I saw some people posting points of arguement that it's the Leader's fault for granting access which resulted in the incident.
For this exact reason there was a rule about Faction Thefts.
Show me where a faction theft has happened where a person didn't had access.
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Hey matty want to answer this one...I guess not, your too busy being a troll. |
I can think of such an example. Faction has a chain running but need more points for the members and the faction has none left. Leader is in hosp so gives faction money from the staff room to another member to buy the points. This member quits the faction and runs off with the money.
Perhaps some will say that is not theft, it is scamming. Well, either faction theft or scamming, there's little difference, except in the game rules. Now only until the 12th.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:32:09
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That's BS, Because it's too hard for staff? They can't be f**ked doing nothing now can they?
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:33:08
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nope obviosly not bunch of jumped up f**kwits thinking there above the rest due to a gay coloured name
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I say what i think
So why sugar coat it...
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:34:20
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By GirlFriday [570368]
All you company owners can probably look forward to a mass exodus of rich players who are working for you, as they'll be forced to buy their own company to store their billions in now.
If that's what you intended, Ched, good job. Otherwise, pretty terrible decision you've made, in my opinion. |
You can still lose all your money storing it in a company (via hackers)... So it is still not safe... You'd be better off buying yourself a new Faction. |
At least then you'd know to expect it. But good point. I guess there will be a lot of one-man factions out there because there sure isn't anywhere else for people to put it for safekeeping.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:35:07
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lmao very nice post and lots of great points about staffs inability to do there job and the fact they dont want to enforce the rules
the crock that it was given to valesh so its not a theft is a shit excuse it is like me having 50 multis all with the same ip and saying it wasnt me i live alone but it wasnt me
the fact set staff mugged valesh as well goes to show you the calibre of the staff we have in place at the moment
there inability to act or enforce rules and blatent disregard of the rules to line there own pockets
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So your sayin because someone is staff they are not allowed to attack and mug people. |
im saying if you take an issue to staff like this there obliged to help you by enforcing the rules that is there job
they turned a blind eye to request to deal with it and simply jumped on the bandwagon and lined there own corrupt pockets
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That's your own opinion. and hey your entitled to it. But maybe you should apply next time they are hiring. Like most games, the staff don't get paid. They do it for nothin. So before you voice your opinion go learn some facts.
They are allowed to play the game any way they like just like anyone else on here.
They get hundreds of complaints a day. Some get filtered out and ignored. Bad luck.
Im not saying ched should pay his staff, but if you get paid to do a job you do it. They dont get paid, as put time into the game when they can. I'd love to see you as a staff member for a week, just to see the work load and the abuse they get from everyone.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:37:29
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By Rattis [468374]
By Nocturnal_Beast [1106702]
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By Nocturnal_Beast [1106702]
lmao very nice post and lots of great points about staffs inability to do there job and the fact they dont want to enforce the rules
the crock that it was given to valesh so its not a theft is a shit excuse it is like me having 50 multis all with the same ip and saying it wasnt me i live alone but it wasnt me
the fact set staff mugged valesh as well goes to show you the calibre of the staff we have in place at the moment
there inability to act or enforce rules and blatent disregard of the rules to line there own pockets
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So your sayin because someone is staff they are not allowed to attack and mug people. |
im saying if you take an issue to staff like this there obliged to help you by enforcing the rules that is there job
they turned a blind eye to request to deal with it and simply jumped on the bandwagon and lined there own corrupt pockets
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That's your own opinion. and hey your entitled to it. But maybe you should apply next time they are hiring. Like most games, the staff don't get paid. They do it for nothin. So before you voice your opinion go learn some facts.
They are allowed to play the game any way they like just like anyone else on here.
They get hundreds of complaints a day. Some get filtered out and ignored. Bad luck.
Im not saying ched should pay his staff, but if you get paid to do a job you do it. They dont get paid, as put time into the game when they can. I'd love to see you as a staff member for a week, just to see the work load and the abuse they get from everyone. |
If it's who I think it is, then he knows perfectly well what being staff entails.
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Rattis
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:39:42
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then why does he complain. Hell ive never been staff, however ive had a few friends who have. They cop consistant abuse. Their decision is never right unless the person complaining benefits.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:39:49
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By Rattis [468374]
By Nocturnal_Beast [1106702]
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By Nocturnal_Beast [1106702]
lmao very nice post and lots of great points about staffs inability to do there job and the fact they dont want to enforce the rules
the crock that it was given to valesh so its not a theft is a shit excuse it is like me having 50 multis all with the same ip and saying it wasnt me i live alone but it wasnt me
the fact set staff mugged valesh as well goes to show you the calibre of the staff we have in place at the moment
there inability to act or enforce rules and blatent disregard of the rules to line there own pockets
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So your sayin because someone is staff they are not allowed to attack and mug people. |
im saying if you take an issue to staff like this there obliged to help you by enforcing the rules that is there job
they turned a blind eye to request to deal with it and simply jumped on the bandwagon and lined there own corrupt pockets
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That's your own opinion. and hey your entitled to it. But maybe you should apply next time they are hiring. Like most games, the staff don't get paid. They do it for nothin. So before you voice your opinion go learn some facts.
They are allowed to play the game any way they like just like anyone else on here.
They get hundreds of complaints a day. Some get filtered out and ignored. Bad luck.
Im not saying ched should pay his staff, but if you get paid to do a job you do it. They dont get paid, as put time into the game when they can. I'd love to see you as a staff member for a week, just to see the work load and the abuse they get from everyone. |
been staff in tc a few times already i know how it works poppet but overly a problem of this size is supposed to be dealt with as staff you cant be biased based on a player whether you like them or not you deal with the case they didnt point in fact they then mugged valesh instead of rectifying the situation
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I say what i think
So why sugar coat it...
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_Cynic_
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:40:22
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I cant wait till one of those people applauding this idiotic change gets hit hard by it.
Then we will see a whining thread somewhere.
Also cannot wait to see what happens if a member of staff gets stung by this. wonder how long before they find a reason to sort that out.
R.I.P factions.
as very few factions will now bother being factions, just single person money banks
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:42:22
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I don't post much, and don't involve myself in the politics of the game, but what seems quite apparent is that:
- the first hit came immediately after the transfer; that first hit was unsuccessful so a revive was given to clear the way for a second hit; that revive would never be given if there wasn't inside information that in fact cash was there.
- since collusion did take place the loophole rule was broken; if the loophole rule was broken those involved should be held accountable.
- and as the rules of this game clearly stated a level of protection for factions at the time of the theft inaction by the staff is blatantly unacceptable and utterly dismissive.
sure, go ahead and change the rules, everyone will find a way to adjust, but people have spent years building their fortunes. just to throw your hands up because it's difficult or you as staff have been offended doesn't change the facts of what happened.
I know that at my job I deal with demanding assholes all the time. I smile, I take their abuse, I solve there problem and then when it's over I stick pins in a doll I've made in their likeness.
but first I put feelings aside and get it done. the voodoo doll comes later.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:42:28
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By Leviathan [72335]
Hmm..
Theft from faction bank/armoury
Taking cash/points/items in a faction without the leaders approval, gaining leadership under false pretenses and refusing to return control of the faction to the rightful leader etc.
This is what exactly happened here. I saw a couple of Staff members having arguments with Valesh over this point.
Their statement was: "they didnt steal anything, they gave someone there own cash"
Now that rule doesn't states that after taking the cash they keep it with them or give it to someone else. The said person took out the cash without Leader's approval, so basic requirements for rule breaking have been met.
In some previous threads I saw some people posting points of arguement that it's the Leader's fault for granting access which resulted in the incident.
For this exact reason there was a rule about Faction Thefts.
Show me where a faction theft has happened where a person didn't had access.
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Hey matty want to answer this one...I guess not, your too busy being a troll. |
I can think of such an example. Faction has a chain running but need more points for the members and the faction has none left. Leader is in hosp so gives faction money from the staff room to another member to buy the points. This member quits the faction and runs off with the money.
Perhaps some will say that is not theft, it is scamming. Well, either faction theft or scamming, there's little difference, except in the game rules. Now only until the 12th.
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Your example violates the basic definition provided on Faction bank/armoury thefts by TC staff. Let me copy/paste that again for you.
Theft from faction bank/armoury
Taking cash/points/items in a faction without the leaders approval, gaining leadership under false pretenses and refusing to return control of the faction to the rightful leader etc.
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rapid_riser
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:42:39
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That's BS, Because it's too hard for staff? They can't be f**ked doing nothing now can they? |
I think a lot of players are missing the point here.
The work needed to sort this kinda thing out is like that of scamming. Trying to get to the truth of these kind of matters can be impossible.
Think of all of the players who mugged Valesh, and these "staff" who I read here that mugged him. Take a moment and ask yourself, do you honestly think every single one of them was in on this? Taking the cash back from them all would affect a lot of players gameplay and these players would argue with staff over all this, as they may have used points refils, Xanax, FHC refils etc to make the mugs and then used the money to repay debts, buy items from other players and all sorts of things. Trying to roll all that back would causing a lot of trouble for everyone.
You can not simply give back the cash alone, introducing an extra 90 bil into the game already having inflation problems, or everyone would start claiming faction theft in this way after their friends mugged them in order to double up their money.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:42:48
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sounds fair to me
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Rattis
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:43:11
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1 person factions is a easy fix. You must have atleast 2 people to start a faction. the first 2 people to join a faction can not leave that faction for 1 month.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:45:42
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By rapid_riser [262223]
By Noobster [987775]
That's BS, Because it's too hard for staff? They can't be f**ked doing nothing now can they? |
I think a lot of players are missing the point here.
The work needed to sort this kinda thing out is like that of scamming. Trying to get to the truth of these kind of matters can be impossible.
Think of all of the players who mugged Valesh, and these "staff" who I read here that mugged him. Take a moment and ask yourself, do you honestly think every single one of them was in on this? Taking the cash back from them all would affect a lot of players gameplay and these players would argue with staff over all this, as they may have used points refils, Xanax, FHC refils etc to make the mugs and then used the money to repay debts, buy items from other players and all sorts of things. Trying to roll all that back would causing a lot of trouble for everyone.
You can not simply give back the cash alone, introducing an extra 90 bil into the game already having inflation problems, or everyone would start claiming faction theft in this way after their friends mugged them in order to double up their money. |
Rapid.. Well said +++
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:47:00
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By Leviathan [72335]
By rapid_riser [262223]
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By Leviathan [72335]
Hmm..
Theft from faction bank/armoury
Taking cash/points/items in a faction without the leaders approval, gaining leadership under false pretenses and refusing to return control of the faction to the rightful leader etc.
This is what exactly happened here. I saw a couple of Staff members having arguments with Valesh over this point.
Their statement was: "they didnt steal anything, they gave someone there own cash"
Now that rule doesn't states that after taking the cash they keep it with them or give it to someone else. The said person took out the cash without Leader's approval, so basic requirements for rule breaking have been met.
In some previous threads I saw some people posting points of arguement that it's the Leader's fault for granting access which resulted in the incident.
For this exact reason there was a rule about Faction Thefts.
Show me where a faction theft has happened where a person didn't had access.
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Hey matty want to answer this one...I guess not, your too busy being a troll. |
I can think of such an example. Faction has a chain running but need more points for the members and the faction has none left. Leader is in hosp so gives faction money from the staff room to another member to buy the points. This member quits the faction and runs off with the money.
Perhaps some will say that is not theft, it is scamming. Well, either faction theft or scamming, there's little difference, except in the game rules. Now only until the 12th.
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Your example violates the basic definition provided on Faction bank/armoury thefts by TC staff. Let me copy/paste that again for you.
Theft from faction bank/armoury
Taking cash/points/items in a faction without the leaders approval, gaining leadership under false pretenses and refusing to return control of the faction to the rightful leader etc.
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Leviathan it was simply a fantasy examply showing how a theft might be construed without having direct access to the faction bank via the staff room.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:47:49
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Rapid we are dealing with reality not fantasy here.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:48:04
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By g_ho [1261819]
I don't post much, and don't involve myself in the politics of the game, but what seems quite apparent is that:
- the first hit came immediately after the transfer; that first hit was unsuccessful so a revive was given to clear the way for a second hit; that revive would never be given if there wasn't inside information that in fact cash was there.
- since collusion did take place the loophole rule was broken; if the loophole rule was broken those involved should be held accountable.
- and as the rules of this game clearly stated a level of protection for factions at the time of the theft inaction by the staff is blatantly unacceptable and utterly dismissive.
sure, go ahead and change the rules, everyone will find a way to adjust, but people have spent years building their fortunes. just to throw your hands up because it's difficult or you as staff have been offended doesn't change the facts of what happened.
I know that at my job I deal with demanding assholes all the time. I smile, I take their abuse, I solve there problem and then when it's over I stick pins in a doll I've made in their likeness.
but first I put feelings aside and get it done. the voodoo doll comes later. |
Someone ate their Wheaties today
Good post, well spoken... too bad the people with the colored names don't see eye to eye with you.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:48:41
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By rapid_riser [262223]
By Noobster [987775]
That's BS, Because it's too hard for staff? They can't be f**ked doing nothing now can they? |
I think a lot of players are missing the point here.
The work needed to sort this kinda thing out is like that of scamming. Trying to get to the truth of these kind of matters can be impossible.
Think of all of the players who mugged Valesh, and these "staff" who I read here that mugged him. Take a moment and ask yourself, do you honestly think every single one of them was in on this? Taking the cash back from them all would affect a lot of players gameplay and these players would argue with staff over all this, as they may have used points refils, Xanax, FHC refils etc to make the mugs and then used the money to repay debts, buy items from other players and all sorts of things. Trying to roll all that back would causing a lot of trouble for everyone.
You can not simply give back the cash alone, introducing an extra 90 bil into the game already having inflation problems, or everyone would start claiming faction theft in this way after their friends mugged them in order to double up their money. |
Agreed you cant blame everyone responsible, but JusticeR was clearly involved start with him, hammer a heavy fed sentence, lessening it if he co-operatives and give names.
If he doesnt then he alone will suffer, if he does, others can share the pain
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:48:59
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By rapid_riser [262223]
By Noobster [987775]
That's BS, Because it's too hard for staff? They can't be f**ked doing nothing now can they? |
I think a lot of players are missing the point here.
The work needed to sort this kinda thing out is like that of scamming. Trying to get to the truth of these kind of matters can be impossible.
Think of all of the players who mugged Valesh, and these "staff" who I read here that mugged him. Take a moment and ask yourself, do you honestly think every single one of them was in on this? Taking the cash back from them all would affect a lot of players gameplay and these players would argue with staff over all this, as they may have used points refils, Xanax, FHC refils etc to make the mugs and then used the money to repay debts, buy items from other players and all sorts of things. Trying to roll all that back would causing a lot of trouble for everyone.
You can not simply give back the cash alone, introducing an extra 90 bil into the game already having inflation problems, or everyone would start claiming faction theft in this way after their friends mugged them in order to double up their money. |
rapid yes you can to actualy follow the cash isnt hard it just takes time same with removing the cash (this is why they have that option in staff tools) any xanax ect they bought and used you have 2 options remove the stats gained or take the amount from them regardless of putting them in the minus
its part of the job as being staff
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:50:44
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Rapid we are dealing with reality not fantasy here. |
Actually Torn is fantasy. You CANNOT cash in your Torn dollars for Real Life money. So explain to us all how Torn isn't fantasy.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:51:32
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you can check ebay
its just frowned upon
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:51:59
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are u having a laugh...
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:53:01
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By -Virus [19162]
Rapid we are dealing with reality not fantasy here. |
Levianthan said Show me where a faction theft has happened where a person didn't had access.
I was only trying to give an example for one as clearly Mattyb didnt try.
I take that all the other Affliction members didnt lose any of the money they had in the faction bank and whoever gave it out was carefull to just send Valesh the money he was keeping in there?
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:53:31
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still say he should get cash back .
oh well glad i am not rich heck i don't even have enough to fill my large vault lol
wow let the official mugging's start as faction's make members take there money back and the got no where to hide it
i see allot of 1-2 man factions starting up not to mention about 500k of new players(MULTI'S) to make these faction and hold the billions
just add's to the problem.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 17:53:56
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open up banking cap
OH wait that was said to happen last year and is still at 2bil
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