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Valesh_NoBust
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:40:35
By Chedburn [1]
Staff will be removing any affiliation with faction scamming. They will not step forward in any way. If a co-leader steals the faction bank, staff will not jail anyone and will not credit anyone.

This will start on the 12th of June. Please make sure you fully trust everyone who has access to your faction bank. We're giving you this week to prepare.

Please note, currently anyone who steals from a faction will receive a federal jail sentence, until the 12th of June.

These steps have been put in to action for many reasons. Mainly:

We do not take any action against company scamming, why factions?
The huge difficulty staff go through to resolve these issues.
The instant by-passing of warnings.
The inability to determine who owns the money.
The loopholes around this rule.

The deterrents should be player-made. If someone steals from you, you make them pay yourself.

Many thanks.



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Failing to report a fluke/loophole in the game and taking advantage of it is forbidden.


You say people take advantage of a loophole... as we obviously witnessed today... then all parties involved should be put in fed as per the rules of Torn.



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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:40:54
"The instant by-passing of warnings."
He means that regardless of crime you get a warning first, faction theft has always bypassed that rule.

Also I agree no one should be able to touch more than they put in without special permission. There have already been a few suggestions for it in the past.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:41:27
Valesh must be get his faction money
Sif and other guys are planned this illegal crime.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:41:43
By Chedburn [1]
Staff will be removing any affiliation with faction scamming. They will not step forward in any way. If a co-leader steals the faction bank, staff will not jail anyone and will not credit anyone.

This will start on the 12th of June. Please make sure you fully trust everyone who has access to your faction bank. We're giving you this week to prepare.

Please note, currently anyone who steals from a faction will receive a federal jail sentence, until the 12th of June.

These steps have been put in to action for many reasons. Mainly:

We do not take any action against company scamming, why factions?
The huge difficulty staff go through to resolve these issues.
The instant by-passing of warnings.
The inability to determine who owns the money.
The loopholes around this rule.

The deterrents should be player-made. If someone steals from you, you make them pay yourself.

Many thanks.


How can we have a deterrent when morphine cost 30k each, the reasoning is weak and the best i can gather is staff are merely figureheads that get staff collectibles that that sell for ingame cash. Since all scamming is legal why have staff at all?? New players get more help from other players and fan sites then they ever get from staff. Maybe you should incorporate how real money donator's can be scammed on the dp page and the new player help guide!;)

Sometimes its just easier to mute them then own up to your own mistakes!!
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:41:44
Agreed. This is a crap update and loses a lot of moral of factions and being on a team (Faction)

So now, all the factions will have to withdraw bank status from all it's members just to keep everyone's money safe. That's a total crap idea.

I'd go with what the others stated above. Make a few simple easy fixes.

Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:42:45
Meant to edit other post. Delete this.

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Valesh_NoBust
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:43:39
By KrakFreak [9170]
and without justice having access none of this could have been possible.....

his own fault ....
why should staff have to cover your ass when you choose unreliable people to have access to your faction cash


Why? Because faction theft IS illegal (at least till the 12th now).

Simple as that.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:43:53
i love this update..... one of the best so far

oh... almost forgot again .... hahahahahahahahaah valesh

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:44:55
It's a crime game. I think it should be legal.

People should be encouraged to be as devious as humanly possible.

That being said, it's not legal right now. So...

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:48:01
This is where TC's headed with some of these rediculous updates.


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Some things I hear I just shake my head and think to myself... "Seriously?"

Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:48:40
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You could make that someone who donaded money for safe-keeping couldn't withdraw more than he donated to a faction (except leader and co-leader).


Make this happen. Its an easy fix, and will avoid a lot players losing all their savings. Don't just roll over for the scammers and let them have their way.

Worst update I have seen in my time playing tc.


This^^



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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:48:57
By D3ADLY [282188]
This is where TC's headed with some of these rediculous updates.


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Some things I hear I just shake my head and think to myself... "Seriously?"


If the nose on that thing was real it would provide great lumbar support when you pooped.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:49:29
By D3ADLY [282188]
This is where TC's headed with some of these rediculous updates.


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Some things I hear I just shake my head and think to myself... "Seriously?"

I suggest you take this then


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GTFO if you no like it

Die...
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D3ADLY

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:51:02
True, and the smooshy warm cartilage. Contour to every muscle and bend.

Holy hell. kyle8048's outta fed.
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:51:56
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:52:40
What a rubbish update. Looks as if staff gave up.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:54:12
By D3ADLY [282188]
Agreed. This is a crap update and loses a lot of moral of factions and being on a team (Faction)

So now, all the factions will have to withdraw bank status from all it's members just to keep everyone's money safe. That's a total crap idea.

I'd go with what the others stated above. Make a few simple easy fixes.


this update was without thought. ched just reacted because admin cried for so long about having to deal with faction thefts. now because of their cries ched just made it all legal so he didnt have to hear the admin cry any longer.

not a well thought out plan IMO and i agree with you d3adly it does lose moral

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:54:21
im really suprised to see no other staff has commented on any of the scamming threads or this thread . hmm

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:54:29
Why aren't the rule breakers in fed jail yet.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:54:38
yawn yawn f**king yawn
cheds a twat he never fixes anything properly
and enforcing rules now theres a joke that only comes into play when set staff dont fecking like you reno you were spot on with the bog
and yabs why dont yer stick yer head in the doorway and ill slam the fecker closed untill you can post something decently

I say what i think

So why sugar coat it...

Yes your a retard no i dont have your crayons
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:56:14
reminds me of the day you let the bear take blackmail and extortion off the policy to allow the trend that killed factions originally. granted enforcing morals through policy is stupid, it is more then possible to have a system do such for you, learn from your mistakes ched keep policy for now, figure out a good system safeguard or remove faction banks entirely. both do the game better then what you are calling on now and both make you look better.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:56:20
I think fail pretty much sums this up..

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:57:01
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JusticeR should definitely be fedded as he stole from the faction, but I dunno about Sif.

He just used his energy to take advantage of someone else's crime. Can you be fedded for taking advantage of someone else's crime?



By Valesh [96818]
Exactly 23 seconds after the cash was given out, I was mugged, until that 90billion turned into 13million...

05/06/10
11:58:35 PM Valesh was given $90,650,000,000 from the Faction
05/06/10
11:58:58 PM Someone mugged Valesh
05/06/10
11:59:42 PM Someone mugged Valesh


Its planned, didn't randomly happen to attack 23 seconds later. They were in it together and I am sure not only them. Not to mention revives , refills, FHC's, vico, if anything they are in it together and both knew well where the money come from and how it got there.


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:57:18
ollie that sums ched up me old muckeroo

I say what i think

So why sugar coat it...

Yes your a retard no i dont have your crayons
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:57:50
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this update was without thought. ched just reacted because admin cried for so long about having to deal with faction thefts. now because of their cries ched just made it all legal so he didnt have to hear the admin cry any longer.



Well, maybe Torn's economy is so bad, he will have to get rid some of his employees (i.e. Staff)



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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 09:01:54
Whether removing the rule is right or wrong.....valesh should get his cash back and these scumbags should be in fed.....the rules as they stood were broken and the fact staff jumped in on the muggings after being asked for help is outrageous.
I hope ched rectifies this situation to try and keep some respect.......as already stated elsewhere....it would have been intriguing to see how this rule was interpreted if it was a different faction.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 09:02:07
If you give someone access to the faction bank you implicitly give them permission to all the cash in it.

Yes it was wrong of him to take it but I'm not sure that it's something that should be banned by the game rules.

Maybe it's time to increase the size of personal vaults so that people can be responsible for their own cash or has been previously suggested make it imposable for anyone apart from the leader and Co to remove more than they have put in.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 09:04:09
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If you give someone access to the faction bank you implicitly give them permission to all the cash in it.

Yes it was wrong of him to take it but I'm not sure that it's something that should be banned by the game rules.

Maybe it's time to increase the size of personal vaults so that people can be responsible for their own cash or has been previously suggested make it imposable for anyone apart from the leader and Co to remove more than they have put in.


weather letting him have access to the cash was right or wrong is it still illegal for him to take the cash ???

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 09:04:13
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By -rob- [65426]
JusticeR should definitely be fedded as he stole from the faction, but I dunno about Sif.

He just used his energy to take advantage of someone else's crime. Can you be fedded for taking advantage of someone else's crime?



By Valesh [96818]
Exactly 23 seconds after the cash was given out, I was mugged, until that 90billion turned into 13million...

05/06/10
11:58:35 PM Valesh was given $90,650,000,000 from the Faction
05/06/10
11:58:58 PM Someone mugged Valesh
05/06/10
11:59:42 PM Someone mugged Valesh


Its planned, didn't randomly happen to attack 23 seconds later. They were in it together and I am sure not only them. Not to mention revives , refills, FHC's, vico, if anything they are in it together and both knew well where the money come from and how it got there.


Agreed... this was obviously set up to take advantage of said loophole, which if I'm not mistaken is against the rules.

So the person who sent the money should be in fed, the attacker who set it up should be in fed, and the reviver who set it up should be in fed as he is in coohoots with the attacker.

Staff?

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 09:04:15
By Gloom [189628]
If you give someone access to the faction bank you implicitly give them permission to all the cash in it.

Yes it was wrong of him to take it but I'm not sure that it's something that should be banned by the game rules.


If that was the case you could use it as an argument for ALL faction thefts even in the past, but it isn't.

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