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Entropy
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:07:44
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its a donation to ones faction therefore faction funds so why then is everyone hung on the fact it was just valesh's cash it was sent to him and became his cash as it was on hand to him without his knowledge whilst he was offline there was another 30 odd billion not touched overly it was faction theft


This is an excellent point. If money is donated to a faction, it becomes the property of that faction, and any removal without the permission of the leader is by definition faction theft.

This is no different than a cashier putting the weeks takings into their bosses pocket and arranging for a friend to mug them when they get round the corner. Its theft, whichever way you look at it, and is against the rules. The two people involved should be fedded, without question.

Noc, my little love spud, I had to double check who posted that then.. top quality thinking.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:08:24
there are staff in this game, and i think it is staff job to handle this kind of problem.
not just make it legal when the job is hard to do.


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:08:27
Everyone that plays knew they would get rid of the faction theft when there was enough crying about it. Too much work for staff to do....GET MORE STAFF!! Im waiting for them to lock the thread so no one can complain. Any minute now...

That said its not faction theft and I dont feel the money should be returned because person that made them manager is the same person that got screwed but it sure does sound like bug/loophole abuse. They side stepped the rules using the faction to steal from Valesh, if thats not bug abuse I dont know what is. Id like to hear how it isnt from staff but they are avoiding the thread like the plague.

Further more why does Sifonjer one of there richest people there are need to steal. Pretty sad really

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:08:55
By Nocturnal_Beast [1106702]
no hed rather try save staff face then get rid of them for not acting except to jump in on the muggings as well

i rather delete some users and staff i guess we could compromise and return money, not lay down the hammer and address the matter with a change to the system in removing the policy or take any number of steps toward faction banking. oc could be split between the members that partake directly. then what other real need for a faction bank other then to protect the rich or help and do things for your fellow faction members. granted i have spent billions on my members though have yet to even posses 90billion

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:09:27
The way I see things is that if Ched is now changing the rules to make faction theft legal, there must have been an issue that warrants this change. (ie Valesh's case), In other words, Justicer stole/took/gave $$ that was not his aka faction theft which is still illegal.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:10:44
Ched I can't say I agree with this one. Because you could totally trust your co-leader. But one day you could get to arguing and they clean you out. Then you lose oh so much.
What makes it worse is the IP thing. because if your Co could be your neighbor and you could send each other things. Then most ppl would have ppl they know in RL as they co. But they don't.
And how could a level 25 make a level 50 do anything? Thay couldn't. What could you do to get even? nothing at all!

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:10:49
Meh tbh when the big names get problems is world news like in RL and then the things change...

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:11:01
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. The two people involved should be fedded, without question.


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:11:49
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The way I see things is that if Ched is now changing the rules to make faction theft legal, there must have been an issue that warrants this change. (ie Valesh's case), In other words, Justicer stole/took/gave $$ that was not his aka faction theft which is still illegal.


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By Nocturnal_Beast [1106702]

its a donation to ones faction therefore faction funds so why then is everyone hung on the fact it was just valesh's cash it was sent to him and became his cash as it was on hand to him without his knowledge whilst he was offline there was another 30 odd billion not touched overly it was faction theft


This is an excellent point. If money is donated to a faction, it becomes the property of that faction, and any removal without the permission of the leader is by definition faction theft.

This is no different than a cashier putting the weeks takings into their bosses pocket and arranging for a friend to mug them when they get round the corner. Its theft, whichever way you look at it, and is against the rules. The two people involved should be fedded, without question.

Noc, my little love spud, I had to double check who posted that then.. top quality thinking.


:) tis the truth tho

I say what i think

So why sugar coat it...

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:13:10
There'll be a few more bounty pages in the next few days I reckon (:

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:18:03
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There'll be a few more bounty pages in the next few days I reckon (:


I think you mean hundred more pages

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Entropy
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:18:05
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:18:12
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ok....its nice.....but what abt Valesh cash ? that noob scammed his whole cash frm the faction and part of the cash was of faction members.....it was fully planned ched....u should provide the justice to Valesh and affliction's members


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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:24:44
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Poor Valesh,

The problem with his case is their is no proof of intent to scam (at least no shown here). Who is to say the money was not given to him by mistake and then the mugger just got lucky or that the giver meant for it to be mugged but didnt tell the mugger he gave him the money and just said he knew Valesh had a lot of money on him?




Excellent perspective! +1


Again... correct me if I'm wrong...

If you accidently send 90b to someone else in the faction (90b that he didn't have regardless), wouldn't you mail staff to get it sent back? Not just watch a fellow faction member get mugged to death? And by sending ANYONE in the faction 90b, JusticeR was stealing from the faction regardless of how you look at it, since that wasn't his money.

Think before you post Matty...


Nope, im talking about perspective. This is where you look outside your own crying situation. You wouldnt happen to be number 1 on the list when giving out money woud you?


13 actually. Any more theories you want me to make swiss cheese out of?


Dont be a moron. I was asking a simple question. I have on a few occasions paid out to the top guy on the list by mistake, hence the very basic question.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:25:05
ok so let me et this straight. Scamming is legal in every part of this game except factions?

come on staff make your minds up here. Either scamming is leal across the whole board or scamming is illegal across the whole board.

The less rules the easier the game play. As for bans. how can you ban people for scammin if 6-12 months ago you made it legal to do so.

Yes it was a shame people lost money. But end of the day this is a game. Money and Shit gets taken daily.

I think you all need to take a spoonful of cement and harden the f**k up.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:26:11
matty in all fairness we all have f**ked up once or twice but its a little far fetched when the payout happens and within 20 seconds youve had 2 attempts at mugging you

not even you can pass that off as mere coincidence poppet

I say what i think

So why sugar coat it...

Yes your a retard no i dont have your crayons
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:27:01
well it make no difference at all i was robbed a total of 171mil plus 157point months ago and no action had been taken against him.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:29:35
Yeah, this is a bit disappoiting, what does staff do on this game now? Hunt for profile violations and multi's? Well to say the least I see no glory in being staff now.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:30:09
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Poor Valesh,

The problem with his case is their is no proof of intent to scam (at least no shown here). Who is to say the money was not given to him by mistake and then the mugger just got lucky or that the giver meant for it to be mugged but didnt tell the mugger he gave him the money and just said he knew Valesh had a lot of money on him?




Excellent perspective! +1


Again... correct me if I'm wrong...

If you accidently send 90b to someone else in the faction (90b that he didn't have regardless), wouldn't you mail staff to get it sent back? Not just watch a fellow faction member get mugged to death? And by sending ANYONE in the faction 90b, JusticeR was stealing from the faction regardless of how you look at it, since that wasn't his money.

Think before you post Matty...


Nope, im talking about perspective. This is where you look outside your own crying situation. You wouldnt happen to be number 1 on the list when giving out money woud you?


13 actually. Any more theories you want me to make swiss cheese out of?


Dont be a moron. I was asking a simple question. I have on a few occasions paid out to the top guy on the list by mistake, hence the very basic question.


Dude which part can't you comprehend?

He was given the cash first, 30 seconds after he was mugged.

The mugger didn't find any cash, yet he had Valesh revived and then mugged Valesh a second time.

It was no mistake, no coincidence, no nothing.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:32:15
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I am very impressed by all the bitterness, resentment, and dissatisfaction displayed in this thread.

Kudos on making TC 'Torn' a less pleasant place for so many more players. You continue to astound me with your talent.


was the second part aimed at ched or the players?


Chedburn of course, its just funny when players make other player miserable.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:32:40
Im not saying it wasnt planned. I simply agreed with that guy and his impartial view on things. People are just too busy crying that they want another person to vent at.

/me sends tissues for all those with too many tears

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:34:06
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Yeah, this is a bit disappoiting, what does staff do on this game now? Hunt for profile violations and multi's? Well to say the least I see no glory in being staff now.



no they do get involved they ignore our members request for help and get in on the mugging action as well.....


I say what i think

So why sugar coat it...

Yes your a retard no i dont have your crayons
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:35:01
matty screw the tissues serenade me with song and some midget violin music

I say what i think

So why sugar coat it...

Yes your a retard no i dont have your crayons
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:35:14
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Im not saying it wasnt planned. I simply agreed with that guy and his impartial view on things. People are just too busy crying that they want another person to vent at.

/me sends tissues for all those with too many tears


Thanks for the tissue! Virtual is always better

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:35:33
Good update, don't see why there's such a bad response.

It wastes time because some silly people will just put any tom dick and harry as co leader, if you get robbed you get robbed, deal with it and don't be retarded.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:35:40
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By Xukusari [287382]
Yeah, this is a bit disappoiting, what does staff do on this game now? Hunt for profile violations and multi's? Well to say the least I see no glory in being staff now.



no they do get involved they ignore our members request for help and get in on the mugging action as well.....


um we still short cash in faction if all the members left we couldnt afford to pay them what we owe

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:35:40
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Im not saying it wasnt planned. I simply agreed with that guy and his impartial view on things. People are just too busy crying that they want another person to vent at.

/me sends tissues for all those with too many tears


But that guy and his impartial views were deemed wrong and were replied to. Did you read those replies?

To me it just seems you've a personal vendetta against Valesh, just like The_Storm.

Btw I could use a box, running low on toilet paper.

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:36:19
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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:39:57
Awesome announcement

Its a shame most of the criers and whiners never read the announcements forum so on the 12th of June the forums will be mega lagged with people whining about their co leader emptying the faction bank and clicking ignore on them

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Posted on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:40:23
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Awesome announcement

Its a shame most of the criers and whiners never read the announcements forum so on the 12th of June the forums will be mega lagged with people whining about their co leader emptying the faction bank and clicking ignore on them


xD

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