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LostTime
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 11:22:51
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By Diggitty [226054]
By theSilence [387023]
- when the Reality is that Chedburn himself created Peaceful Factions in recognition of the fact that a great many players did not wish to war. At the moment, it's being deceitfully represented that most players simply didn't like the existing warring system when the truth is much more fundamental- Many players find the time commitment necessary to war effectively beyond their desire. Only the most gullable believe that you can have a warring system that won't become time-devouring- the time necessary for reconnaissance and ally networking alone is staggering. Take a look at the EMAIL VOLUME most of the top Aggressive Faction leaders send out, and realize that email is only the tip of their communication iceberg.
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No, Ched created peaceful factions to help prepare for war. Let's get this straight. Peaceful factions were NEVER supposed to be a permanent part of the game. If you want to hang out with your friends, join a company.
Seriously, keep spewing the same incorrect garbage over and over again. No one but you believes that dribble.
Oh, and to the person who says peaceful factions earn their respect? Who are you kidding? I know that initiate oc button is hard as hell to press, but really now...
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I am not kidding anyone. The amount of effort to acquire respect is not in question. The respect that a peaceful faction "earns" should not be stolen by another faction in a war that is not sought after by the peaceful faction. Bottom line is that when peaceful factions go away and we are forced to war, little by little the respect will go and eventually the peaceful faction will be destroyed. This was the problem before peaceful factions. Constant wars and constantly being blackmailed for ridiculous amounts of money to end the war. Remember not everyone has the time to spend hours on a computer warring with someone half a world away. Peaceful factions allow noobies and people who want to fit the game into their busy lives a chance to grow and learn.
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 12:08:59
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Remember not everyone has the time to spend hours on a computer warring with someone half a world away. Peaceful factions allow noobies and people who want to fit the game into their busy lives a chance to grow and learn. |
The entire point of these changes is to make it possible for these casual gamers to be able to take part in this.
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 12:26:03
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By Hobbie [443763]
Remember not everyone has the time to spend hours on a computer warring with someone half a world away. Peaceful factions allow noobies and people who want to fit the game into their busy lives a chance to grow and learn. |
The entire point of these changes is to make it possible for these casual gamers to be able to take part in this. |
Yes, with this change you shold be able to spend less time and do the same waring.
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 13:16:37
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By Diggitty [226054]
By theSilence [387023]
- when the Reality is that Chedburn himself created Peaceful Factions in recognition of the fact that a great many players did not wish to war. At the moment, it's being deceitfully represented that most players simply didn't like the existing warring system when the truth is much more fundamental- Many players find the time commitment necessary to war effectively beyond their desire. Only the most gullable believe that you can have a warring system that won't become time-devouring- the time necessary for reconnaissance and ally networking alone is staggering. Take a look at the EMAIL VOLUME most of the top Aggressive Faction leaders send out, and realize that email is only the tip of their communication iceberg.
Can you say "Live In The Game?" |
No, Ched created peaceful factions to help prepare for war. Let's get this straight. Peaceful factions were NEVER supposed to be a permanent part of the game. If you want to hang out with your friends, join a company.
Seriously, keep spewing the same incorrect garbage over and over again. No one but you believes that dribble.
Oh, and to the person who says peaceful factions earn their respect? Who are you kidding? I know that initiate oc button is hard as hell to press, but really now...
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This, seriously theSilence can you please try bring something new to your opinion against this idea? You have said the same thing over and over and over and over again. We have given you answers but you do not read them, you simply post the same crap, just with slightly different wording.
Peaceful factions are needed in THIS system, if you had read the actual idea you will notice that there are a lot of good ideas therefore peaceful factions will no longer be needed.
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By Hobbie [443763]
Remember not everyone has the time to spend hours on a computer warring with someone half a world away. Peaceful factions allow noobies and people who want to fit the game into their busy lives a chance to grow and learn. |
The entire point of these changes is to make it possible for these casual gamers to be able to take part in this. |
Yes, with this change you shold be able to spend less time and do the same waring. |
This ^_^
If you have 20 people in your faction you could all agree to chain for one hour between 16:00-17:00. Everyone turns up randomly between those times and rushes there hits if need be. I'm sure at least one person will be able to stay about for just one hour to keep the chain going whilst you wait for the others to get online. There we go, an easy chain lasting an hour where just about all your members could participate and you don't even have to stay on the computer for longer than 5 minutes if you can't.
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 13:32:31
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I see a pattern here, some people, mostly the ones who are either neutral or in favour of the changes seem to have read Ched's post and then taken the time to understand how it will effect the mechanics of the game and how they can best adapt their playing style to get the best from it.
Sadly most of those screaming the loudest about how this will destroy factions etc seem to have completely missed it .
Could it be that the warring faction members by the very nature of spending so much time interacting with the game understand it better or is it that most of the knitting circle peacenicks just like to react like a baby that has had it's dummy taken away.
Debate
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 14:36:38
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By Gloom [189628]
I see a pattern here, some people, mostly the ones who are either neutral or in favour of the changes seem to have read Ched's post and then taken the time to understand how it will effect the mechanics of the game and how they can best adapt their playing style to get the best from it.
Sadly most of those screaming the loudest about how this will destroy factions etc seem to have completely missed it .
Could it be that the warring faction members by the very nature of spending so much time interacting with the game understand it better or is it that most of the knitting circle peacenicks just like to react like a baby that has had it's dummy taken away.
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The people whining started to read it then the second they saw 'Peaceful factions can be removed' started crying about it.
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 14:40:00
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what do you do in a peaceful factions except beg off the leader? if you want friends make an IRc room or a company
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 16:11:43
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greatest idea
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 16:31:04
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a faction is a fancy word for a 'gang'. why join a gang if you're not willing to fight? and if you ARE willing to fight and your 'gang' isnt good at it, leave them for a better warring faction. it's pretty freakin' simple. |
i can see this kind of 'role-playing' argument clearly - makes a lot of sense - Torn isn't set up like that though
as a system that rewards attacking with 'respect' but with no negative consequences will always drive attacking - major factions draining smaller factions aren't 'warring' any more than people exploiting craps (used to be) gambling
ultimately though i don't see the problem with letting peaceful continue and rely on the quality of the new system to encourage people to 'enjoy' it
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 16:49:34
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By Gloom [189628]
. . . or is it that most of the knitting circle peacenicks just like to react like a baby that has had it's dummy taken away.
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not so much - the pattern i see is that people who have describing why they have chosen (or have been forced by faction death in all previous warring systems) to be in peaceful factions have been pointing out the likely downsides of being forced agressive based on their reading of the new system and the pretty unavoidable lessons of history
the counter argument seems to consist entirely of either "Torn is for warring" or "you should like warring because i do" supplemented by the odd sneering remark (see above)
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 18:14:20
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By LostTime [149047]
By Diggitty [226054]
By theSilence [387023]
- when the Reality is that Chedburn himself created Peaceful Factions in recognition of the fact that a great many players did not wish to war. At the moment, it's being deceitfully represented that most players simply didn't like the existing warring system when the truth is much more fundamental- Many players find the time commitment necessary to war effectively beyond their desire. Only the most gullable believe that you can have a warring system that won't become time-devouring- the time necessary for reconnaissance and ally networking alone is staggering. Take a look at the EMAIL VOLUME most of the top Aggressive Faction leaders send out, and realize that email is only the tip of their communication iceberg.
Can you say "Live In The Game?" |
No, Ched created peaceful factions to help prepare for war. Let's get this straight. Peaceful factions were NEVER supposed to be a permanent part of the game. If you want to hang out with your friends, join a company.
Seriously, keep spewing the same incorrect garbage over and over again. No one but you believes that dribble.
Oh, and to the person who says peaceful factions earn their respect? Who are you kidding? I know that initiate oc button is hard as hell to press, but really now...
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I am not kidding anyone. The amount of effort to acquire respect is not in question. The respect that a peaceful faction "earns" should not be stolen by another faction in a war that is not sought after by the peaceful faction. Bottom line is that when peaceful factions go away and we are forced to war, little by little the respect will go and eventually the peaceful faction will be destroyed. This was the problem before peaceful factions. Constant wars and constantly being blackmailed for ridiculous amounts of money to end the war. Remember not everyone has the time to spend hours on a computer warring with someone half a world away. Peaceful factions allow noobies and people who want to fit the game into their busy lives a chance to grow and learn. |
Did you not even read Ched's post? The respect you lose before you get a nap is minimal. Don't want to pay blackmail? Then don't. Keep initiating those oh so hard oc's and get your respect back. It's also been set to make warring quick, not hours and hours. If you find five minutes to read the forums, you can make 6 hits for your faction.
And learn what exactly? How to morph out so the leader can run an oc? Please.
Read Ched's post about peaceful factions when they were first created. They were NEVER meant to stay. He's just fixing something he should have fixed ages ago.
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 18:18:12
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i like the idea of no peacefull
but without a ranking system does that mean the low levels are going to find it hard to war
i plan to chain soon when i can leave my faction and find some one willing to help me chain and supply vicodin(poor)
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 18:38:03
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I could be missing the point here but all the arguments saying boohoo peaceful factions are going the end is neigh,armageddon etc. but with the new system if big faction e.g JFK went to war with my small and insignificant faction it would take them weeks of energy wasting to destroy us. Now it seems to me that this is not what the 100k+ respect JFK is likley to do.
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 19:23:16
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good i idea ched
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theSilence
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 21:25:57
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It's amazing how many of these utterly gullable cretins keep chiming in with..."Didn't you even read Chedburn's post?"
Erhem. Which exactly of the many Chedburn posts assuring us that his most recent Warring System would satisfy nearly everyone do you mean when you say 'Chedburn's post'? His most recent post, you say? Why would I lend any more credence to Cheddy's most recent post than I have to any of his other DEAD WRONG prognostications of essentially the same rosy scenario?
The ones who 'don't get it here' are the self-servingly credulous wardogs. I believe many of them already suspect that this latest proposal of Ched's will lead us down the path of History yet again. The REASON the warring system will fail owes less to the mechanics of the warring system itself and far more to the genetic hard-wiring of the people employing said system. As with all other warring systems before it, the new system will quickly be exploited so that an Aggressive Faction can be the absolute maximum pain in the ass to other Factions. When it was just As*hole Faction Versus As*hole Faction, Nobody cared. But now that Chedburn has put upon the wardogs desert plate the formerly Peaceful Factions, Actual People are speaking out against Chedburn's latest Modest Proposal.
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Dawn
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 21:38:12
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I like how you never actually read anyone's posts, just vomit up the same reply in a slightly different format.
It's going to happen whether you like it or not from the looks of it, I would suggest instead of making badly written and misspelled forum posts you go get your faction ready for war
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Posted on Wed May 26, 2010 22:48:29
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theSilence can i offer you a some advise, please act like your name and be silent. I Know we all appreciate it, thanks.Kais
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 00:04:26
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sounds like a good improvement
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 00:30:10
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"-Reduces faction deaths by 99%"
Current number of factions just under 5,000. Let's say the current faction death rate is 50%. Can we have the casino betting option, that there will be 25 factions destroyed in the next year.
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 00:56:08
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OK, Got it, i agree with the changes
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 01:49:38
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By theSilence [387023]
It's amazing how many of these utterly gullable cretins keep chiming in with..."Didn't you even read Chedburn's post?"
Erhem. Which exactly of the many Chedburn posts assuring us that his most recent Warring System would satisfy nearly everyone do you mean when you say 'Chedburn's post'? His most recent post, you say? Why would I lend any more credence to Cheddy's most recent post than I have to any of his other DEAD WRONG prognostications of essentially the same rosy scenario?
The ones who 'don't get it here' are the self-servingly credulous wardogs. I believe many of them already suspect that this latest proposal of Ched's will lead us down the path of History yet again. The REASON the warring system will fail owes less to the mechanics of the warring system itself and far more to the genetic hard-wiring of the people employing said system. As with all other warring systems before it, the new system will quickly be exploited so that an Aggressive Faction can be the absolute maximum pain in the ass to other Factions. When it was just As*hole Faction Versus As*hole Faction, Nobody cared. But now that Chedburn has put upon the wardogs desert plate the formerly Peaceful Factions, Actual People are speaking out against Chedburn's latest Modest Proposal. |
I agree... A-hole faction vs A-hole faction kept the quiet casual players away from pointless and unnecessary hosp time, the game was created to be a warring game but way too many peaceful players are here to just abandon. I got a feeling this topic will be revisited by Ched fairly soon. The update basically forces us to survive now, the way the game intended but not how the players intend. Oh well can't do sh*t but complain about it now so might as well just live with it, or die with it more like....
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 02:56:44
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By theSilence [387023]
It's amazing how many of these utterly gullable cretins keep chiming in with..."Didn't you even read Chedburn's post?"
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It's amazing how angry you seem to be about game updates and the responses from players.
The key word here is game.
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 03:18:43
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By -Cindy- [747490]
By theSilence [387023]
It's amazing how many of these utterly gullable cretins keep chiming in with..."Didn't you even read Chedburn's post?"
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It's amazing how angry you seem to be about game updates and the responses from players.
The key word here is game. |
Thank you
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 04:10:31
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nice
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 08:26:35
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By Browe [1288134]
By -Cindy- [747490]
By theSilence [387023]
It's amazing how many of these utterly gullable cretins keep chiming in with..."Didn't you even read Chedburn's post?"
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It's amazing how angry you seem to be about game updates and the responses from players.
The key word here is game. |
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Well said
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The_Terminator
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 09:58:48
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When are these changes going into effect? I'm getting antsy waiting to go to war again 
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 11:34:59
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By theSilence [387023]
It's amazing how many of these utterly gullable cretins keep chiming in with..."Didn't you even read Chedburn's post?"
Erhem. Which exactly of the many Chedburn posts assuring us that his most recent Warring System would satisfy nearly everyone do you mean when you say 'Chedburn's post'? His most recent post, you say? Why would I lend any more credence to Cheddy's most recent post than I have to any of his other DEAD WRONG prognostications of essentially the same rosy scenario?
The ones who 'don't get it here' are the self-servingly credulous wardogs. I believe many of them already suspect that this latest proposal of Ched's will lead us down the path of History yet again. The REASON the warring system will fail owes less to the mechanics of the warring system itself and far more to the genetic hard-wiring of the people employing said system. As with all other warring systems before it, the new system will quickly be exploited so that an Aggressive Faction can be the absolute maximum pain in the ass to other Factions. When it was just As*hole Faction Versus As*hole Faction, Nobody cared. But now that Chedburn has put upon the wardogs desert plate the formerly Peaceful Factions, Actual People are speaking out against Chedburn's latest Modest Proposal. |
You continue to beat theSilence on the ground.
When his face is smashed in you decide he has had enough and jog home.
I guess that must be the utterly gullible self serving credulous wardog in me coming out
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CK_sexyflexy
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 11:41:07
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good one hope to see my faction do that.............
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yo i dink you are doin a prety good ting
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Posted on Thu May 27, 2010 15:52:53
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