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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 05:56:24
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Sounds good, make it fair for everyone!


I agree. I dont mind losing the little life and stat upgrades if it makes it fair over all on this aspect.
This is a good One I agree give back the merits and remove the bonuses of old stuff.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:02:45
What about giving everyone the option of having their points merits back... If they want to they get a full refund... should they not than than they are stuck with their choices...

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:05:32
the most unfair is the life merits. some players have over 500,000 life. how are we supposed to catch up in life now?

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:10:39
we all make mistakes in real life the same as in Torn.We dont get second chances in real life, leave them as they are. Everyone could of used theirs on life its their fault if they didnt. Why should guys that made that choice now be punished ?

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:13:59
i'v used over 40 merits on life in the past.

how will 40 merits benefit me with new system on life ?

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:16:09
Ridiculous. The OGs didn't have upgradeable properties in their early days. Are you giving them extra battle stats to make it 'fair'?

Of course you're not.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:22:20
I think what would have been fair would have been to give people 7 days notice on the new merit system giving people the chance to spend there merits on life or whatever they wanted to if they had them.

Everyone had the same choices its down to the individual as to what they thought was best for them.

I spent plenty of merits on my stats when i was young and stupid but i dont want them back it was the choice i made i think you should leave it as it is but in the future with things that can cause such problems give people notice thats the way to keep it fair.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:30:23
Yeah return them. Not much comment I can say about though.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:31:32
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I don't want my merits back .. I want to keep the upgrades I got with my old merits.

As said above, it'll never make it right ... NOT REALLY ...

I want to keep my account upgrades as already purchased. I don't want to start over which is what you'll be basically doing.

I can't replace what you'll be taking from my account and I worked hard for what I have .. don't punish ME because you changed the system.

DONT GIVE ANY MERITS BACK

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Summary:


2)[b]Instead of giving back all merits to all players, give ALL Torn Players 50 New Merits and leave the current system exactly as it is. This is the best and most reliable solution with limited risk and will give lower level players the best chance of reaching higher levels with the compounding of the incremental upfgrades and new character choices they will make.[b]


The above has to be BEST POST I've read so far on this topic .. AMEN


completely agree...or let us buy them perhaps...


The main problem I see with this suggestion is that it doesn't address the main issue that caused the inequities in the new incremental merit/life issue. The Loss of the 50X per level life option. As I see it that is, and what will continue to be what creates, and further creates inequities in player life levels with those that had the option and those that don't have it now or in the future.

Besides a free 50 merits to all players with out earning them just seems insane and can not remedy that problem. If anything it will just exacerbate it.

Changing rules on acquisition of life 5 years + into the game seems to me the one thing that has created the problem. Fixing that will not be easy. I understand why it had to be done with all the new honors and merits being introduced into the game. Can you imagine how high some peoples HP's would be if at level 50, 60, 70 , or 80 had up to 20 or more new merits available to use the 50X option? That option had to go before the 100 new merits were available.

How to fix it to be fair to all present and future players is going to be a difficult task but it needs to be done. My hats off to Ched for seeing the problem and trying to address it. Good luck Ched

I don't think there is an easy fix....at least now those who didn't have a feeling of how it felt to be shortchanged with the new life/merit controversy now know how those that did felt. My empathy goes to those that are going through it now.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:42:36
how about this.

put in a refund all merits option. lasts until the end of this month, and can only be used once and once only

this is in all fairness will be better for everyone!

1. those that dont want anything changed. obviously dont click the button
2. those that would like them returned, get them, thats everything, including the ones in the list
3. gives people an overall use of an update that has an option to test out the new incremental upgrades

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:44:08
voted don't mind

surely, it'll benefit me some way lolz

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:45:24
THAT IS NOT A FAIR POLL SINCE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO IS DOING POLL ARE EITHER NEW PLAYER OR USE THEIR MERITS WITHOUT THINKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT IT THAT NOT FAIR DO NOT RETURN MERITS

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:52:15
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Ridiculous. The OGs didn't have upgradeable properties in their early days. Are you giving them extra battle stats to make it 'fair'?

Of course you're not.


You started after drugs, number entry gym, pets, etc.


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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 06:56:40
YEA RETURN EM WHOOOOOO!


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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:08:14
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THAT IS NOT A FAIR POLL SINCE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO IS DOING POLL ARE EITHER NEW PLAYER OR USE THEIR MERITS WITHOUT THINKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT IT THAT NOT FAIR DO NOT RETURN MERITS


thats why i reckon they should implement a return merits button like they did with the banking.

they did that, all is fair, they lowered the bank interest again, no bank reset again.

obviously for the people whom arn't thinking etc would be the only people using this.

its a win win.

people whom dont want a merit reset. DONT CLICK IT!!
people whom want a merit reset CLICK IT!!

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:11:15
Well, I think Chedburn is smart enough to be able to figure out the player's level, the total number of awards accumulated, and to be able to distinguish whether or not a certain number of merits were used for life points and which were from medical points. I think he can figure out from simple arithmetic (or algebra at this point) that kind of thing, and then refund any merits that were bought with points.

Get ready for a buttload of points. At least that way you can choose if you want to re-invest these points into merits, or to sell them on the market.

*gasp*

Points might even temporarily go below $49k a point!

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:13:46
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:14:02
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Are you going to remove the merits from my account that i specifically bought for a purpose and refund the $500m that i spent on them?

Everyone who has been bitching about HP had the chance to use their merits on HP at the same time as i used mine....Its not our fault that they didnt use them....

How about giving members the choice to have the merits returned or keep them there.


good call bud!

all the retards bitch about not having high HP now....well ITS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT!


maybe we should give people the option to change anything on their TC account to make up for past decisions? sounds about as stupid as this idea of giving merits back


Makes me laugh, I chose to play my game a certain way. They didn't play the same and now they wish they had so it's going to screw smart people in the process.

And its really not making it fair to all, Next step would be to give everyone Bodybaggers stats to cut all the crying because his stats are so high.

We worked for where we are now.....Why should it be taken away because of others not getting their merits used in time.

Ched can either bring back the 1 merit = Level*50 option for users or don't bother changing anything.

People made their bed, They should lay in that bed and quit all the god damn crying.


TORN IS NOT A FAIR GAME IF YOU WANT TO BE FAIR JUST GIVE EVERYONE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND STAT SINCE THE RICHER WILL STAY THE RICHER AND THE STRONGEST THERE IS NO WAY A NEW PLAYER WILL BE ABLE TO MATCH SOMEONE WHO GET RICH AT START OR HAVE STRONG STAT......A LOT OF PPL BENEFIT FROM OLD BANKING SYSTEM AND DO YOU FOUND IT FAIR THAT NOW WE GET LESS BENEFIT FROM BANK THAT OLD PLAYERS GET SO RICH USING THE OLD SYSTEM?????? NOTHING IS FAIR IN EITHER REAL LIFE OR TORN IF YOU WANT A FAIR LIFE YOU CANNOT FIND IT IN TORN OR ON EARTH BETTER GO ON MARS

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:18:10
yea give em back please i wasted quite a few on life and would love em back

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:18:56
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:21:02
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I think what would have been fair would have been to give people 7 days notice on the new merit system giving people the chance to spend there merits on life or whatever they wanted to if they had them.

Everyone had the same choices its down to the individual as to what they thought was best for them.

I spent plenty of merits on my stats when i was young and stupid but i dont want them back it was the choice i made i think you should leave it as it is but in the future with things that can cause such problems give people notice thats the way to keep it fair.


I agree with this post a 7 day option to decide what you wanted to do with merits would have been much better. If its possible why not do a roll back to before the new system was brought in and give 7 days grace and let people decide what they want.

If they have merits let them spend them on life it's their choice if people dont have merits to spend on life well thats the way they have decided to play the game so it shoudnt bother them as they had no merits anyway.

This way it gives people a option and as they have seen the new system a better choice on what to do


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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:23:22
Nothing has been done yet....this is just a poll.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:29:43
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I think what would have been fair would have been to give people 7 days notice on the new merit system giving people the chance to spend there merits on life or whatever they wanted to if they had them.

Everyone had the same choices its down to the individual as to what they thought was best for them.

I spent plenty of merits on my stats when i was young and stupid but i dont want them back it was the choice i made i think you should leave it as it is but in the future with things that can cause such problems give people notice thats the way to keep it fair.


I agree with this post a 7 day option to decide what you wanted to do with merits would have been much better. If its possible why not do a roll back to before the new system was brought in and give 7 days grace and let people decide what they want.

If they have merits let them spend them on life it's their choice if people dont have merits to spend on life well thats the way they have decided to play the game so it shoudnt bother them as they had no merits anyway.

This way it gives people a option and as they have seen the new system a better choice on what to do


This would definitely help me TearDrop but it does not fix the problem and is only a stop gap fix....maybe what will quiet most of the complaints but only a short term fix. The inequity of the two merit/life options will still be there....those that benefited from the 50x life per level will benefit the most from the new incremental life option. Which is what is exacerbating the inequities in life now.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:33:30
That's exactly what I wanted. Ehh, I have a long post about this in Questions, too lazy to post it again.

Anyway, when I posted it, I thought you were NOT going to give merits back. Sorry, my bad.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:43:23
Yes give them back!

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:47:40
I want my merits back, I was young and stupid when I fist used my merits. :-P

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:56:20
Of course give them back and deduct the bonuses

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 07:58:27
Unless merits get reset, the differencial in life between one player and another at exactly the same level is massive, and there is nothing, no amount of training, that can be done to resolve it.

I don't understand how so many older players don't get how this is unfair and different to any of the scenarios they've presented.

There is a strong correlation between a players high life and their dislike of the reset, I suspect they have no interest in getting the system fair.

I can see one alternative, and that is to reintroduce incremental merits.

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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 08:12:25
1. There should have been a poll option to give merits back and not to deduct benefits.

2. What about awareness? Many people would love to get there merits back after it was changed.





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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 08:19:51
Yes, give the merits back and deduct the bonuses
very nice.. thumbs up!

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