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Gemballa
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 02:57:17
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i doubt Chedburn will even see this reply i am posting.
This game is A LOT about planning. When I choose where I want to spend my merits I weigh out the pros and cons. I chose wisely to do the life non-increment life upgrade because it worked great with my stats. Then as the life increment upgrade came along i decided to spend 28 merits on this as well because the gains were a lot larger because of the extra life I had from non-increment.
The point I am getting at is that if you plan to return the merits and take away the non-increment life upgrade. Then you have to do it on ALL merits. This include the merits spent on the new life increments.
All i ask for is fairness and a balanced game. I most likely won't upgrade life if the non-increment merits are returned. So PLEASE return the increment life merits spent.
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Vermouth
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 02:58:13
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no need to give them back....
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zurichtorn
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 02:58:35
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Summary:
1) Leave the current system as is, it is clean and elegant and alot to be proud of,
2)Instead of giving back all merits to all players, give ALL Torn Players 50 New Merits and leave the current system exactly as it is. This is the best and most reliable solution with limited risk and will give lower level players the best chance of reaching higher levels with the compounding of the incremental upfgrades and new character choices they will make.
3) If you choose to return all merits to players - ALL existing players characters and customers will be materially damaged because there is no way to recreate the timing or the circumstances or cost of all choices without a tremendous effort for each players character - why risk this, especially the most loyal longtime players of Torn who will be damaged most.
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Suggestion sent this to Ched the Torn Admins and the Developers regarding 50 new merits and incremental merit
zurichtorn: Leave it exactly as it is, enhancements are just that - if you want add the old merit options back giving players the old choices in addition to the incremental choices as is - this will allow for all existing players to build to reach the rare stars of the 270,000+ life world
zurichtorn: the character of each player is defined by the choices they have made at each level both good and bad, rebuilding would be like having every character reborn and destroying the existing character of the game, not to mention the competitive relationships of those already very active and building their characters.
zurichtorn: the interesting part of this conversation is if you gave everyone in the game 50 new merits and let everyone keep merits they already earned and their choices of merit spent in the past - this would solve 99% of the issues as each player could then further develop their players with new choices in the new system leveling the playing field big time
zurichtorn: it is also interesting how the Torn City game mimics the real world, do we have a reset button in life...I think not - the character of players, the time and money it has taken for all to build their characters to date and the integrity of the game must be maintained at all cost - keep it as it is and give all players 50 merits to do as they choose...this actually will give the youngest players an advantage as they can use the compounding of their merit choices as they level up in the game the credibility and the absolute ongoing nightmare of managing and executing four of the five choices in this poll makes giving all new merits the only real choice with the limited staff resources and good intentions to make the game better. i was very proud of the the staff and the great leaps in the cleanness of the new interface and the new pages created, let it stay as it is and give everyone at all levels 50 new merits to use as they choose
zurichtorn: these are important post, very important in the Announcement section
zurichtorn: the new system is clean, clear and the staff has alot to be proud of. give everyone 50 new merits to do as they choose on the new system and leave everything as it is - this will give newest players a chance to take advantage of the compounding of the incremental upgrades and allow all players to maintain the character and integrity of their players character to say nothing of all the time and expense most players have spent creating their characters. Any other choice is simply impossible with the limited Torn staff to tailor upgrades and resolve past choices for 175,000+ players
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MaskManMM
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 02:58:59
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give back
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Mcee
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 02:59:10
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I think it's totally fair to give them all back. When you changed the merit system it gave so many an advantage, and you gave no warning what so ever, so people could decide on upgrading life. Or saving them . . .
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Dawn
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 02:59:21
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What about the crash Ched? What about THOSE merits? How can you possibly give all merits back when I spent them on non incremental things before the crash?
Just pointing out another way this update would make no sense whatsoever.
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Dalfiuss
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 02:59:52
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Merits should only be returned if they are able to be tracked back to stat reductions.
Torn has a culture of continually benefiting those that have been here the longest, and this is only another step in that direction if people that have spent a ton of merits on stat increases are given those merits back while allowed to keep the stat increase.
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Mcee
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 02:59:57
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I think it's totally fair to give them all back. When you changed the merit system it gave so many an advantage, and you gave no warning what so ever, so people could decide on upgrading life. Or saving them . . .
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Mcee
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:00:42
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I think it's totally fair to give them all back. When you changed the merit system it gave so many an advantage, and you gave no warning what so ever, so people could decide on upgrading life. Or saving them . . .
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Mcee
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:01:38
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I think it's totally fair to give them all back. When you changed the merit system it gave so many an advantage, and you gave no warning what so ever, so people could decide on upgrading life. Or saving them . . .
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JeeF
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:01:45
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Yeah if this is all about fairness... DO IT NOW
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QuanThang
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:03:01
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Not good, people got direct benefit already (let say HP, stat...) and indirect benefit (attack, defend, crime...) as well
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Maj_Winters
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:03:51
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Hey Ched why not just reset the whole game?
That would make it "fair" for everyone, right?
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When I was a low lvl Rabbit gave me an Ster Aug and I thought I was king of all lvl 7s. NOW you can donate ONCE and have a Mansion. My point is that the game changes, & you will NEVER be able to make it fair for everyone.
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Esper
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:04:36
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I have to admit... I love having all this life 
but... it should be fair for everyone.
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Dawn
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:06:40
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By Dalfiuss [845638]
Merits should only be returned if they are able to be tracked back to stat reductions.
Torn has a culture of continually benefiting those that have been here the longest, and this is only another step in that direction if people that have spent a ton of merits on stat increases are given those merits back while allowed to keep the stat increase. |
LoL, if anything this is most unfair to the older players. You weren't here when the game crashed, I was. Do you think they can track those merits I spent? Hardly.
Stop posting out of your ass and try to actually think for once.
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DocHoliday
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:08:58
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By Diggitty [226054]
By Dalfiuss [845638]
Merits should only be returned if they are able to be tracked back to stat reductions.
Torn has a culture of continually benefiting those that have been here the longest, and this is only another step in that direction if people that have spent a ton of merits on stat increases are given those merits back while allowed to keep the stat increase. |
LoL, if anything this is most unfair to the older players. You weren't here when the game crashed, I was. Do you think they can track those merits I spent? Hardly.
Stop posting out of your ass and try to actually think for once.
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^this
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MightyGoober
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:10:14
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Im going to join the vote - We should be able to grab ALL merits back (including those old lost ones) just like you did for the bank change.
Id like to choose some of your new options.
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shadow-wolf
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:10:48
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please just bring yasukuni swords back to the merit exchange page
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L0uCabrasi
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:15:21
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By Maj_Winters [146405]
Hey Ched why not just reset the whole game?
That would make it "fair" for everyone, right?
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When I was a low lvl Rabbit gave me an Ster Aug and I thought I was king of all lvl 7s. NOW you can donate ONCE and have a Mansion. My point is that the game changes, & you will NEVER be able to make it fair for everyone. |
Its idiots like u who can take something like this, which is a poll and a REAL debate, and make into a joke which makes me really laugh... i cant wait til ur stripped of ur health and have ur merits returned so i can hear u bitch and complain from miles away about how unfair it is lol
Face it dude, the majority of ppl under level 50 got screwed over royaly, and will never have the same advantages u had just because of the incremental merit upgrade... stop thinkin so selfishly and think whats better for the game! not just what benefits u and u alone....
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yuan38
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:20:47
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excellent.
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GinZ
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:22:51
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if return the merits, why only return for Merits on non-incremental upgrades? plz return all the merits had been used up to now if possible
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Shadowpally
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:23:45
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I'd say just give them all back and anyone who wants to complain about it can just repick what they want unless they want stupidly high hp.
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Psworld
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:24:24
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I like habing my life where it is. I thinkit will suck when life gets too small. I did waste alot of merits for crime exp though. I think you should give them back but renew the life points option as 5%'s is not that much.
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Loki
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:25:26
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We have to consider that xanax and dps used to be much cheaper. All of those older players were getting a free ride.
Everyone who bought a xanax under 700k or a month of donator for less than 5M should be forced to produce difference of the current market price and the historical price they paid.
That would ensure that everything costs the same forever and nobody gets a better deal.
I agree entirely with Maj_Winters that we need to reset all stats. There are people who I can consistently beat, and other people who can consistently hos'p me. All of this produces considerable feelings which can be very confusing.
I do have a bone to pick with -Gemballa- though. There is no reason that seeing a good deal, one ostensibly in good faith, should benefit a player. People's choices, or their absence from the game at that time, should not influence the improvement of their character.
It is similarly unfair that more active players progress more quickly than those who are somewhat active. There are people who I played with who no longer play the game; how do you think they feel that I have adapted and excelled?
By sheer numbers lower level characters clearly have a majority. This has always been a democracy, and should continue as such.
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decisive_fire
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:28:04
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I think it is a good idea, of course I say that knowing I will get 50 merits back that I have spent.
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Dawn
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:30:36
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By L0uCabrasi [77472]
By Maj_Winters [146405]
Hey Ched why not just reset the whole game?
That would make it "fair" for everyone, right?
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When I was a low lvl Rabbit gave me an Ster Aug and I thought I was king of all lvl 7s. NOW you can donate ONCE and have a Mansion. My point is that the game changes, & you will NEVER be able to make it fair for everyone. |
Its idiots like u who can take something like this, which is a poll and a REAL debate, and make into a joke which makes me really laugh... i cant wait til ur stripped of ur health and have ur merits returned so i can hear u bitch and complain from miles away about how unfair it is lol
Face it dude, the majority of ppl under level 50 got screwed over royaly, and will never have the same advantages u had just because of the incremental merit upgrade... stop thinkin so selfishly and think whats better for the game! not just what benefits u and u alone.... |
Well then reset stats as well, because Lord knows that those aren't fair either.
I'm not being selfish, I'm playing the game as it was always intended to be played, with no resets, etc.
Don't worry Ched, the noobs will still donate whether or not you give them back their merits, trust me.
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856568
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:34:21
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By -Gemballa- [594326]
i doubt Chedburn will even see this reply i am posting.
This game is A LOT about planning. When I choose where I want to spend my merits I weigh out the pros and cons. I chose wisely to do the life non-increment life upgrade because it worked great with my stats. Then as the life increment upgrade came along i decided to spend 28 merits on this as well because the gains were a lot larger because of the extra life I had from non-increment.
The point I am getting at is that if you plan to return the merits and take away the non-increment life upgrade. Then you have to do it on ALL merits. This include the merits spent on the new life increments.
All i ask for is fairness and a balanced game. I most likely won't upgrade life if the non-increment merits are returned. So PLEASE return the increment life merits spent. |
exactly
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Maj_Winters
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:37:57
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By L0uCabrasi [77472]
By Maj_Winters [146405]
Hey Ched why not just reset the whole game?
That would make it "fair" for everyone, right?
_________________________________
When I was a low lvl Rabbit gave me an Ster Aug and I thought I was king of all lvl 7s. NOW you can donate ONCE and have a Mansion. My point is that the game changes, & you will NEVER be able to make it fair for everyone. |
Its idiots like u who can take something like this, which is a poll and a REAL debate, and make into a joke which makes me really laugh... i cant wait til ur stripped of ur health and have ur merits returned so i can hear u bitch and complain from miles away about how unfair it is lol
Face it dude, the majority of ppl under level 50 got screwed over royaly, and will never have the same advantages u had just because of the incremental merit upgrade... stop thinkin so selfishly and think whats better for the game! not just what benefits u and u alone.... |
Who was joking?? If I was in charge I WOULD reset the whole game...
Make the first couple mil in stats progressive and then the gain remains flat after that.
Come on Ched, DO IT!!!!!!!!!!
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BC-Thibs
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:42:11
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give them back
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Posted on Mon May 10, 2010 03:43:05
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Give the merits back and pull the upgrades.
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